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	Why is the default key A4 instead of C4? by Nikos Chantziaras :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message (Not sure if this question belongs on the dev or users list.) Why is the default key in LMMS A4 instead of C4 or C5? Since C is the harmonic center, I would have expected C to be the default (like in other music software.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ LMMS-devel mailing list LMMS-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel
	Re: Why is the default key A4 instead of C4? by Andy Kelley :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message I agree, and I vote to change it to C. We've discussed this before in IRC, and I forgot why we haven't changed this yet. On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@...> wrote: (Not sure if this question belongs on the dev or users list.) Why is the default key in LMMS A4 instead of C4 or C5? Since C is the harmonic center, I would have expected C to be the default (like in other music software.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ LMMS-devel mailing list LMMS-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel -- Andy Kelley Nuclear Development http://nucleardev.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ LMMS-devel mailing list LMMS-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel
	Re: Why is the default key A4 instead of C4? by Tobias Doerffel-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Am Freitag, 2. Oktober 2009 11:45:18 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: > (Not sure if this question belongs on the dev or users list.) > > Why is the default key in LMMS A4 instead of C4 or C5? Since C is the > harmonic center, I would have expected C to be the default (like in > other music software.) Because A4 is a standardized tone in the music world (for example orchestras tune their instrument for A4). I know we discussed this in IRC but changing this would cause lots of trouble with upgrading old files and update things everywhere. There's also been another reason, I can't remember now. I vote for keeping it as is. Toby ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ LMMS-devel mailing list LMMS-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel signature.asc (204 bytes) Download Attachment
	Re: Why is the default key A4 instead of C4? by Paul Giblock-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message I also agree. However, last time I suggested it there were other developers insisting on keeping A4 On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Andy Kelley <superjoe30@...> wrote: > I agree, and I vote to change it to C. We've discussed this before in IRC, > and I forgot why we haven't changed this yet. > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@...> wrote: >> >> (Not sure if this question belongs on the dev or users list.) >> >> Why is the default key in LMMS A4 instead of C4 or C5? Since C is the >> harmonic center, I would have expected C to be the default (like in >> other music software.) >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA >> is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your >> developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay >> ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register >> now! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf >> _______________________________________________ >> LMMS-devel mailing list >> LMMS-devel@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > > > -- > Andy Kelley > Nuclear Development > http://nucleardev.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMMS-devel@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ LMMS-devel mailing list LMMS-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel
	Re: Why is the default key A4 instead of C4? by Nikos Chantziaras :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On 10/02/2009 05:57 PM, Tobias Doerffel wrote: > Am Freitag, 2. Oktober 2009 11:45:18 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: >> (Not sure if this question belongs on the dev or users list.) >> >> Why is the default key in LMMS A4 instead of C4 or C5? Since C is the >> harmonic center, I would have expected C to be the default (like in >> other music software.) > Because A4 is a standardized tone in the music world (for example orchestras > tune their instrument for A4). It's just that C is the most common key used for pianos and keyboards (a few keyboards used B, but still the majority is C). > I know we discussed this in IRC but changing > this would cause lots of trouble with upgrading old files and update things > everywhere. There's also been another reason, I can't remember now. I vote for > keeping it as is. Isn't the key saved in the project file? Meaning that if a project is loaded that uses A4 (or whatever else the user has chosen!), LMMS won't change that even if the default for new projects is C4? Anyway, I posted this not because I feel strongly about it; after all, I can still pick what I like. A default is just a default :) I was just curious about the reasons A was chosen, especially since the user has to change it to C if he/she wants to be compatible with other instruments (to jam with someone who's playing a tune in C major for example, I can't use LMMS default pick; his C major is not my C major in my keyboard that drives LMMS), so C looks the more reasonable default choice. But again, it can be changed. It's a bit of a burden to do this every time though you insert a new instrument. Perhaps a new configuration option would be a good idea? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ LMMS-devel mailing list LMMS-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel
	Re: Why is the default key A4 instead of C4? by Andy Kelley :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Maybe we should set up a poll to our users: "which makes more sense, C or A?" On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Paul Giblock <drfaygo@...> wrote: I also agree. However, last time I suggested it there were other developers insisting on keeping A4 On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Andy Kelley <superjoe30@...> wrote: > I agree, and I vote to change it to C. We've discussed this before in IRC, > and I forgot why we haven't changed this yet. > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@...> wrote: >> >> (Not sure if this question belongs on the dev or users list.) >> >> Why is the default key in LMMS A4 instead of C4 or C5? Since C is the >> harmonic center, I would have expected C to be the default (like in >> other music software.) >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA >> is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your >> developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay >> ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register >> now! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf >> _______________________________________________ >> LMMS-devel mailing list >> LMMS-devel@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > > > -- > Andy Kelley > Nuclear Development > http://nucleardev.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMMS-devel@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ LMMS-devel mailing list LMMS-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel -- Andy Kelley Nuclear Development http://nucleardev.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ LMMS-devel mailing list LMMS-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel
	Re: Why is the default key A4 instead of C4? by Tobias Doerffel-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi, Am Freitag, 2. Oktober 2009 22:32:30 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: > Isn't the key saved in the project file? Meaning that if a project is > loaded that uses A4 (or whatever else the user has chosen!), LMMS won't > change that even if the default for new projects is C4? When moving the default pitch, you also have to change internal reference key in LMMS' frequency-calculation code etc. Just moving default key to C would make all new projects sound strange. When moving default key to C and adjusting internal reference key, all existing projects will sound wrong. In the end I don't care - as long as I do not have to code it and the provided solution is bugfree. Toby ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ LMMS-devel mailing list LMMS-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel signature.asc (204 bytes) Download Attachment
	Re: Why is the default key A4 instead of C4? by Andy Kelley :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message That sounds like permission for me to change it as long as old projects are compatible. On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Tobias Doerffel <tobias.doerffel@...> wrote: Hi, Am Freitag, 2. Oktober 2009 22:32:30 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: > Isn't the key saved in the project file? Meaning that if a project is > loaded that uses A4 (or whatever else the user has chosen!), LMMS won't > change that even if the default for new projects is C4? When moving the default pitch, you also have to change internal reference key in LMMS' frequency-calculation code etc. Just moving default key to C would make all new projects sound strange. When moving default key to C and adjusting internal reference key, all existing projects will sound wrong. In the end I don't care - as long as I do not have to code it and the provided solution is bugfree. Toby ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ LMMS-devel mailing list LMMS-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel -- Andy Kelley Nuclear Development http://nucleardev.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ LMMS-devel mailing list LMMS-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel
	Re: Why is the default key A4 instead of C4? by Louigi Verona :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Yeah. To me there is no problem starting with A. Also it makes LMMS kinda a bit original. In the end it isn't a big deal, is it? On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Tobias Doerffel <tobias.doerffel@...> wrote: Am Freitag, 2. Oktober 2009 11:45:18 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: > (Not sure if this question belongs on the dev or users list.) > > Why is the default key in LMMS A4 instead of C4 or C5? Since C is the > harmonic center, I would have expected C to be the default (like in > other music software.) Because A4 is a standardized tone in the music world (for example orchestras tune their instrument for A4). I know we discussed this in IRC but changing this would cause lots of trouble with upgrading old files and update things everywhere. There's also been another reason, I can't remember now. I vote for keeping it as is. Toby ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ LMMS-devel mailing list LMMS-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ LMMS-devel mailing list LMMS-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel
	Re: Why is the default key A4 instead of C4? by Jeremy-92 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Louigi Verona wrote: > Yeah. To me there is no problem starting with A. Also it makes LMMS > kinda a bit original. > In the end it isn't a big deal, is it? > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Tobias Doerffel > <tobias.doerffel@... <mailto:tobias.doerffel@...>> wrote: > > Am Freitag, 2. Oktober 2009 11:45:18 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: > > (Not sure if this question belongs on the dev or users list.) > > > > Why is the default key in LMMS A4 instead of C4 or C5? Since C > is the > > harmonic center, I would have expected C to be the default (like in > > other music software.) > Because A4 is a standardized tone in the music world (for example > orchestras > tune their instrument for A4). I know we discussed this in IRC but > changing > this would cause lots of trouble with upgrading old files and update > things > everywhere. There's also been another reason, I can't remember now. > I vote for > keeping it as is. > > Toby > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and > stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register > now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMMS-devel@... > <mailto:LMMS-devel@...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMMS-devel@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel For me neither, I like it as it is now. Best, Jeremy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ LMMS-devel mailing list LMMS-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel
	Re: Why is the default key A4 instead of C4? by Paul Wayper :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On 03/10/09 01:29, Paul Giblock wrote: > I also agree. However, last time I suggested it there were other > developers insisting on keeping A4 A4 (440Hz) is the reference frequency for many samples, as well as being the standard tuning frequency for a lot of instruments. It's also somewhat traditional - saying "why don't we change the default frequency to C" is like saying "why don't we change the treble clef to C". I don't mind, and I don't think it's going to make a huge difference, but I have to admit as a user of many music programs over the years if I found one that had its default keyboard frequency setting at anything other than A4 I'd think it was written by someone that didn't really understand the music world. But that's just my opinion. Keep up the awesome, Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ LMMS-devel mailing list LMMS-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel