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Wiki and website
by James Roper-3
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Hey Pebblers,
I'm wanting some feedback on the port of the Pebble documentation to Confluence on open.jira.com: http://open.jira.com/wiki/display/PEBBLE/Home Before I finish it, I wanted to find out from the community if they'd prefer to stick to the old home page and documentation, switch to this, or use a combination of both. If you want the old home page, we can easily make the "Home" tab point to the pebble.sourceforge.net. Also, the tabs at the top of the page are customisable, project admins can add/hide/move them as much as they like. Example tabs we may decide to add are "Downloads" and "Mailing Lists". Any other feedback? Cheers, James ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/blackberry _______________________________________________ Pebble-user mailing list Pebble-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user |
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Re: Wiki and website
by Olaf Kock-3
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Hi James,
first of all - thanks for the work that you did setting up pebble on open.jira.com. For the moment I'm happy with a mixed setup, utilizing sourceforge (e.g. for downloads, mailing list and homepage-hosting, if only for the pebble-look-and-feel) as well as open.jira.com (for issues, planning and wiki). You've started the wiki with the same content as the website, which is fine with me, but I'd worry that pebble looses some of its personality with the generic confluence-layout as homepage. I'm happy to evolve the next homepage through the wiki - e.g. when the current content has been migrated to the wiki, it should be easy to distribute the task of documentation and take back the wiki content to the homepage. That said, the named sourceforge content should be contained in the tabs, first of all: Downloads and mailing list. How do the atlassian folks think about handling the wiki? Is it up to the project if it get's world-writability? How are people here thinking about this? If I'm not missing some obvious stuff, only you do currently have write-access, right? (I've not found an edit button anywhere) I'd be ready to open it up for contributors. That said, I think I need a bit more time to get more intimate with the available tools on the platform - I've worked with Jira and Confluence, browsed Fisheye and I need to be exploring the rest. Not to want to have too much, but do you happen to know if TeamCity is planned to become available some time in the future? Thanks again for your work, Olaf James Roper schrieb: > Hey Pebblers, > > I'm wanting some feedback on the port of the Pebble documentation to > Confluence on open.jira.com: > > http://open.jira.com/wiki/display/PEBBLE/Home > > Before I finish it, I wanted to find out from the community if they'd > prefer to stick to the old home page and documentation, switch to > this, or use a combination of both. If you want the old home page, we > can easily make the "Home" tab point to the pebble.sourceforge.net. > Also, the tabs at the top of the page are customisable, project admins > can add/hide/move them as much as they like. Example tabs we may > decide to add are "Downloads" and "Mailing Lists". > > Any other feedback? > > Cheers, > > James > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge > This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, > vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have > the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize > details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/blackberry > _______________________________________________ > Pebble-user mailing list > Pebble-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge _______________________________________________ Pebble-user mailing list Pebble-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user |
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Re: Wiki and website
by Rob Rye
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Hi James,
Thanks for your work on this. I very much prefer the pebble-style appearance of the current home page. However, if, as your email indicates, the new site is more easily configured to allow the community to participate in improving the content of the site, I for one would be happy to sacrifice aesthetics for content. I don't believe that the site would be well served to be wide open for anyone to edit, as some wikis are, but some form of membership-based editing privileges would probably work very nicely for this group. I guess I have been more of a lurker than a contributor in this mailing list for quite a few months now. Nonetheless, I remain very interested in seeing pebble continue to succeed. Just a friendly warning for anyone who goes to open.jira.com and signs up for an account (as I did out of curiosity): the password you choose will be sent to you in plain text in an email. So, if you tend to re- use passwords or have an algorithm for creating them, I recommend you use a throwaway password for this site, at least at first. Cheers, Rob On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:03 AM, James Roper wrote: > Hey Pebblers, > > I'm wanting some feedback on the port of the Pebble documentation to > Confluence on open.jira.com: > > http://open.jira.com/wiki/display/PEBBLE/Home > > Before I finish it, I wanted to find out from the community if they'd > prefer to stick to the old home page and documentation, switch to > this, or use a combination of both. If you want the old home page, we > can easily make the "Home" tab point to the pebble.sourceforge.net. > Also, the tabs at the top of the page are customisable, project admins > can add/hide/move them as much as they like. Example tabs we may > decide to add are "Downloads" and "Mailing Lists". > > Any other feedback? > > Cheers, > > James > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge > This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited > time, > vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will > have > the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See > full prize > details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/blackberry > _______________________________________________ > Pebble-user mailing list > Pebble-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge _______________________________________________ Pebble-user mailing list Pebble-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user |
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Re: Wiki and website
by James Roper-3
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> For the moment I'm happy with a mixed setup, utilizing sourceforge > (e.g. > for downloads, mailing list and homepage-hosting, if only for the > pebble-look-and-feel) as well as open.jira.com (for issues, planning > and > wiki). You've started the wiki with the same content as the website, > which is fine with me, but I'd worry that pebble looses some of its > personality with the generic confluence-layout as homepage. I'm > happy to > evolve the next homepage through the wiki - e.g. when the current > content has been migrated to the wiki, it should be easy to distribute > the task of documentation and take back the wiki content to the > homepage. Ok, I'll finish the migration and let you take it from there. Personally I agree that it would be much nicer to have at least the home page on the old site. Documentation, which can really benefit from community input, is probably better on the wiki. There's not a lot that we can do changing the style of Confluence, this is something we specifically disable in JIRA Studio in order to make all the apps feel like one application. However, as I am a system admin I'm able to modify the space CSS - I might have a bit of a play around with the CSS and see what I can do, I might be able to at least give the headings, bullets etc the pebble style. A quick note about the wiki, the left hand column comes from a page called Navigation, which is configured in the themes administration of the space. > That said, the named sourceforge content should be contained in the > tabs, first of all: Downloads and mailing list. I'll create these tabs then. > How do the atlassian folks think about handling the wiki? Is it up to > the project if it get's world-writability? How are people here > thinking > about this? If I'm not missing some obvious stuff, only you do > currently > have write-access, right? (I've not found an edit button anywhere) It's up to the project. Confluence has per page restrictions, if you want world writability, I'd suggest creating some pages as read only. Another thing, anyone can comment, this is often a good compromise between allowing anyone to edit and preventing vandalism. But I'll leave it up to you. I forgot to add you as a space administrator, I'll do that then you can edit and configure permissions. > I'd be ready to open it up for contributors. This will be easy for you to do once I've granted you admin. > That said, I think I need a bit more time to get more intimate with > the > available tools on the platform - I've worked with Jira and > Confluence, > browsed Fisheye and I need to be exploring the rest. Not to want to > have > too much, but do you happen to know if TeamCity is planned to become > available some time in the future? Did you mean Bamboo? TeamCity is produced by JetBrains, an Atlassian competitor :) As it happens, my major task at work at the moment is putting Bamboo into JIRA Studio, we're hoping it'll be ready in a few months. As for whether it will be available on open.jira.com, this will need to be discussed further, the hard thing with build servers is that they generate large loads, and so we need to work out how this will be managed (JIRA Studio will be using cloud based remote agents for all builds, so builds won't run locally on open.jira.com, but on another server in Contegix's Zeus cloud offering, similar to Amazon EC2). Of course, the number of commits to pebble is tiny so the load would be tiny, but other open source projects may generate a much higher load. I imagine we will be able to work out something, maybe a fair use policy, but until we actually have Bamboo running in JIRA Studio, there's not much point to worrying about that yet. > Thanks again for your work, > Olaf > > > James Roper schrieb: >> Hey Pebblers, >> >> I'm wanting some feedback on the port of the Pebble documentation to >> Confluence on open.jira.com: >> >> http://open.jira.com/wiki/display/PEBBLE/Home >> >> Before I finish it, I wanted to find out from the community if they'd >> prefer to stick to the old home page and documentation, switch to >> this, or use a combination of both. If you want the old home page, >> we >> can easily make the "Home" tab point to the pebble.sourceforge.net. >> Also, the tabs at the top of the page are customisable, project >> admins >> can add/hide/move them as much as they like. Example tabs we may >> decide to add are "Downloads" and "Mailing Lists". >> >> Any other feedback? >> >> Cheers, >> >> James >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge >> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited >> time, >> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) >> will have >> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See >> full prize >> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/blackberry >> _______________________________________________ >> Pebble-user mailing list >> Pebble-user@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user > > > --- > --- > --- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge > This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited > time, > vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will > have > the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See > full prize > details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge > _______________________________________________ > Pebble-user mailing list > Pebble-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge _______________________________________________ Pebble-user mailing list Pebble-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user |
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Re: Wiki and website
by James Roper-3
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> Just a friendly warning for anyone who goes to open.jira.com and signs
> up for an account (as I did out of curiosity): the password you choose > will be sent to you in plain text in an email. So, if you tend to re- > use passwords or have an algorithm for creating them, I recommend you > use a throwaway password for this site, at least at first. Yes... there's an open issue for that in JIRA: http://jira.atlassian.com/browse/JRA-6175 I'd suggest voting for it... it's marked as being on the 4.0 road map (I'm not sure if that's the case or not, but I've asked in a comment on the issue), which will be released later this year, and it won't be long after that that JIRA Studio will upgrade to it. > Cheers, > > Rob > On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:03 AM, James Roper wrote: > >> Hey Pebblers, >> >> I'm wanting some feedback on the port of the Pebble documentation to >> Confluence on open.jira.com: >> >> http://open.jira.com/wiki/display/PEBBLE/Home >> >> Before I finish it, I wanted to find out from the community if they'd >> prefer to stick to the old home page and documentation, switch to >> this, or use a combination of both. If you want the old home page, we >> can easily make the "Home" tab point to the pebble.sourceforge.net. >> Also, the tabs at the top of the page are customisable, project admins >> can add/hide/move them as much as they like. Example tabs we may >> decide to add are "Downloads" and "Mailing Lists". >> >> Any other feedback? >> >> Cheers, >> >> James >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge >> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited >> time, >> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will >> have >> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See >> full prize >> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/blackberry >> _______________________________________________ >> Pebble-user mailing list >> Pebble-user@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge > This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, > vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have > the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize > details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge > _______________________________________________ > Pebble-user mailing list > Pebble-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge _______________________________________________ Pebble-user mailing list Pebble-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user |
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Re: Wiki and website
by James Roper-3
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I've created the new tabs, the mailing list tab goes to a page on
Confluence because I thought it would be good to have a place that explains the purpose of the mailing list (even though currently we only have one) and its volume. The downloads tab goes straight to the files page on sourceforge. I also hid the reviews tab, I'm not sure how much we will use it, and it's easy enough to access reviews by using the source and reviews tab on issues (if someone commits something for an issue, they can click the source tab to see their commit for that issue, and then there's a link to create a review for that commit). Too many tabs will look too cluttered. On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:26 AM, James Roper<jroper2@...> wrote: > Comments inline: >> For the moment I'm happy with a mixed setup, utilizing sourceforge >> (e.g. >> for downloads, mailing list and homepage-hosting, if only for the >> pebble-look-and-feel) as well as open.jira.com (for issues, planning >> and >> wiki). You've started the wiki with the same content as the website, >> which is fine with me, but I'd worry that pebble looses some of its >> personality with the generic confluence-layout as homepage. I'm >> happy to >> evolve the next homepage through the wiki - e.g. when the current >> content has been migrated to the wiki, it should be easy to distribute >> the task of documentation and take back the wiki content to the >> homepage. > > Ok, I'll finish the migration and let you take it from there. > Personally I agree that it would be much nicer to have at least the > home page on the old site. Documentation, which can really benefit > from community input, is probably better on the wiki. There's not a > lot that we can do changing the style of Confluence, this is something > we specifically disable in JIRA Studio in order to make all the apps > feel like one application. However, as I am a system admin I'm able > to modify the space CSS - I might have a bit of a play around with the > CSS and see what I can do, I might be able to at least give the > headings, bullets etc the pebble style. > > A quick note about the wiki, the left hand column comes from a page > called Navigation, which is configured in the themes administration of > the space. > >> That said, the named sourceforge content should be contained in the >> tabs, first of all: Downloads and mailing list. > > I'll create these tabs then. > >> How do the atlassian folks think about handling the wiki? Is it up to >> the project if it get's world-writability? How are people here >> thinking >> about this? If I'm not missing some obvious stuff, only you do >> currently >> have write-access, right? (I've not found an edit button anywhere) > > It's up to the project. Confluence has per page restrictions, if you > want world writability, I'd suggest creating some pages as read only. > Another thing, anyone can comment, this is often a good compromise > between allowing anyone to edit and preventing vandalism. But I'll > leave it up to you. I forgot to add you as a space administrator, I'll > do that then you can edit and configure permissions. > >> I'd be ready to open it up for contributors. > > This will be easy for you to do once I've granted you admin. > >> That said, I think I need a bit more time to get more intimate with >> the >> available tools on the platform - I've worked with Jira and >> Confluence, >> browsed Fisheye and I need to be exploring the rest. Not to want to >> have >> too much, but do you happen to know if TeamCity is planned to become >> available some time in the future? > > Did you mean Bamboo? TeamCity is produced by JetBrains, an Atlassian > competitor :) As it happens, my major task at work at the moment is > putting Bamboo into JIRA Studio, we're hoping it'll be ready in a few > months. As for whether it will be available on open.jira.com, this > will need to be discussed further, the hard thing with build servers > is that they generate large loads, and so we need to work out how this > will be managed (JIRA Studio will be using cloud based remote agents > for all builds, so builds won't run locally on open.jira.com, but on > another server in Contegix's Zeus cloud offering, similar to Amazon > EC2). Of course, the number of commits to pebble is tiny so the load > would be tiny, but other open source projects may generate a much > higher load. I imagine we will be able to work out something, maybe a > fair use policy, but until we actually have Bamboo running in JIRA > Studio, there's not much point to worrying about that yet. > >> Thanks again for your work, >> Olaf >> >> >> James Roper schrieb: >>> Hey Pebblers, >>> >>> I'm wanting some feedback on the port of the Pebble documentation to >>> Confluence on open.jira.com: >>> >>> http://open.jira.com/wiki/display/PEBBLE/Home >>> >>> Before I finish it, I wanted to find out from the community if they'd >>> prefer to stick to the old home page and documentation, switch to >>> this, or use a combination of both. If you want the old home page, >>> we >>> can easily make the "Home" tab point to the pebble.sourceforge.net. >>> Also, the tabs at the top of the page are customisable, project >>> admins >>> can add/hide/move them as much as they like. Example tabs we may >>> decide to add are "Downloads" and "Mailing Lists". >>> >>> Any other feedback? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> James >>> >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge >>> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited >>> time, >>> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) >>> will have >>> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See >>> full prize >>> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/blackberry >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pebble-user mailing list >>> Pebble-user@... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user >> >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge >> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited >> time, >> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will >> have >> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See >> full prize >> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge >> _______________________________________________ >> Pebble-user mailing list >> Pebble-user@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge _______________________________________________ Pebble-user mailing list Pebble-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user |
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Re: Wiki and website
by Olaf Kock-3
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Hi James,
good choices - I couldn't have done better :) Cheers, Olaf James Roper schrieb: > I've created the new tabs, the mailing list tab goes to a page on > Confluence because I thought it would be good to have a place that > explains the purpose of the mailing list (even though currently we > only have one) and its volume. The downloads tab goes straight to the > files page on sourceforge. I also hid the reviews tab, I'm not sure > how much we will use it, and it's easy enough to access reviews by > using the source and reviews tab on issues (if someone commits > something for an issue, they can click the source tab to see their > commit for that issue, and then there's a link to create a review for > that commit). Too many tabs will look too cluttered. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge _______________________________________________ Pebble-user mailing list Pebble-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user |
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Re: Wiki and website
by Olaf Kock-3
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Hi James,
James Roper schrieb: > Did you mean Bamboo? TeamCity is produced by JetBrains, an Atlassian > competitor :) oops, how embarrassing. I've just lately seen our new company installation that was triggered by the idea folks in the team... As we are running both Jetbrains and Atlassian software I just didn't care enough for their origin, just their impact. Continuous integration will really be a nice complementary feature for Jira Studio and I can only hope that sooner or later it'll become available. Cheers, Olaf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge _______________________________________________ Pebble-user mailing list Pebble-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user |
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Re: Wiki and website
by James Roper-3
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I've finished migrating everything from the website into Confluence.
It was mostly straight forward converting it all to wiki markup, there were a few formatting things I couldn't quite do but not much. So the next thing for me to do is have a go at playing with the CSS to see if I can restyle it to look more like Pebble. The next thing for the pebble community to do is compare the sourceforge site to the wiki, and work out what goes best where. For those Firefox 3.5 users, you'll notice a layout bug of the Confluence tabs in Firefox. Because Firefox 3.5 was only released a week ago, we're not going to let it delay the upgrade of JIRA Studio 1.8 (which will be happening this Sunday), but it will be fixed in 1.8.1. On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Olaf Kock<pebble@...> wrote: > Hi James, > > James Roper schrieb: >> Did you mean Bamboo? TeamCity is produced by JetBrains, an Atlassian >> competitor :) > > oops, how embarrassing. I've just lately seen our new company > installation that was triggered by the idea folks in the team... As we > are running both Jetbrains and Atlassian software I just didn't care > enough for their origin, just their impact. > > Continuous integration will really be a nice complementary feature for > Jira Studio and I can only hope that sooner or later it'll become > available. > > Cheers, > Olaf > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge > This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, > vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have > the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize > details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge > _______________________________________________ > Pebble-user mailing list > Pebble-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge _______________________________________________ Pebble-user mailing list Pebble-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pebble-user |
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