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Now here's an interesting thing

2009-12-23T13:16:00Z

From the people who brought you VLC:

http://vlmc.org/

They're writing a video editor.

- d.

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Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Anyone visiting V&A with a camera soon?

2009-12-05T03:26:47Z

Thomas Dalton just volunteered for something. Anyone got favoured V&A
exhibits we don't have a pic of? Get back to him with room,
collection, cabinet, etc :-)

- d.

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Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Anyone visiting V&A with a camera soon?
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I have an afternoon to kill in London this Thursday and I own a
digital camera. I'm not sure I've ever been to the V&A, so I wouldn't
mind a visit. Give me a list of things to photograph!

2009/12/4 David Gerard <dgerard@...>:

> I just wrote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphonicon . I notice
> there's one in the V&A, and the V&A is quite happy to have people
> taking photos to put in Wikipedia ... anyone stopping by any time
> soon?
>
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Help us collect good ideas to improve Wikimedia Commons

2009-12-02T01:15:25Z

Dear all,

As part of the Multimedia Usability project, we are currently doing what
is called "Domain research". Basically, it means that we look at how
similar websites work and how they deal with the same issues we
encounter. Since our goal is to make Wikimedia Commons more usable, we
want to look at other media sharing platforms, such as Flickr, Youtube,
Fotopedia, Picasa web, Panoramio, etc.

I would like to ask for your help to accomplish this research. It can
take a lot of time if only one person is doing it. On the contrary, if
ten or twenty people step in and all do a small part, we can collect
helpful data very quickly. Besides, it is always better to have several
people with different perspectives look at the data we collect, in order
to better see the “big picture”.

Your help is crucial in order to move quickly towards the requirements
definition phase and the actual development. I have already prepared a
list of websites and a few questions we are asking ourselves; they
should facilitate the collection of data that can then be used directly
by the team.

Please join us and make your contribution to the Domain research page on
the Usability wiki;
http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Multimedia:Domain_research/Upload

Many thanks in advance for your help.

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Re: Usability initiative for Commons

2009-12-02T01:12:40Z

Hi,

Daniel Kinzler a écrit :
>
> I don't know about you, but I didn't know about
> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Usability_issues_and_ideas>. Seems
> like a good place to raise issues that the upcoming multimedia usability project
> could have a look at.

Well, it's the multimedia usability project team who created this page,
so yes, we'll definitely "have a look" at it :)

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Usability initiative for Commons

2009-11-21T15:06:59Z

Hi all

I don't know about you, but I didn't know about
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Usability_issues_and_ideas>. Seems
like a good place to raise issues that the upcoming multimedia usability project
could have a look at.

I for one would like to finally see the Galleries vs. Categories issue resolved...
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Usability_issues_and_ideas#Abolish_the_distinction_between_categories_and_galleries>.

Cheers
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Re: External click logging

2009-11-19T07:54:13Z

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Maarten Dammers <maarten@...> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Magnus Manske schreef:
>> This will "capture" all external link clicks within the page content,
>> tell the toolserver about it, and then load the intended page.
> Something else: Is the toolserver able to handle the load this will produce?
> Maybe make it part of http://stats.wikimedia.org/ ?

I have no idea about the amount of traffic. I'd guess it's less than
1% of Commons page views, but I might be widely off.

One way to find out would be to turn it on for everyone :-)

But, being the script author, I'd rather have someone else put it into
the default Commons JavaScript. IMHO it will work technically, I just
want to avoid "developers do whatever they want on Commons"-issues.
Volunteers?

Cheers,
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Re: External click logging

2009-11-19T05:08:10Z

Hi everyone,

Magnus Manske schreef:
> This will "capture" all external link clicks within the page content,
> tell the toolserver about it, and then load the intended page.
Something else: Is the toolserver able to handle the load this will produce?
Maybe make it part of http://stats.wikimedia.org/ ?

Maarten

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Re: External click logging

2009-11-19T04:37:02Z

2009/11/19 Tim Starling <tstarling@...>:
> Magnus Manske wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> as promised on the meeting, I wrote a small JavaScript/Toolserver
>> setup that can log clicks on Commons leading to external pages.
>
> I believe this would be a violation of Wikimedia's privacy policy.

If it contains no explicitly private information (no username) and
isn't linked to any other log entries (no "person 489272 clicked the
following links...") - and from the way Magnus describes it this
seems to be the case - then it seems to me like it wouldn't, because
no data can be linked to a user in any reasonable or consistent
manner. That said, IANAL. ;-)

(It is pushing into the area where we do need to be aware of privacy
concerns, though!)

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Re: External click logging

2009-11-19T00:45:32Z

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Gnangarra <gnangarra@...> wrote:
> Reading the Privacy policy I dont see this would violate the policy as it
> specifically doesnt record private data(ip, username), in my reading of
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy#Purpose_of_the_collection_of_private_information
> the policy specifically says "The Foundation limits the collection of
> personally identifiable user data to purposes which serve the well-being of
> its projects...." then includes some examples like public accountability of
> the projects, and site statistics(raw data is not made public). This the
> tool appears to be within those bounds of the privacy policy.

Even if they would fall under the privacy policy, according to it the
collection of private data can be done "including but not limited to
the following" purposes:
<snip>
"To provide site statistics. The Foundation statistically samples raw
log data from users' visits. These logs are used to produce the site
statistics pages; the raw log data is not made public."

So in my opinion even if we _would_ save private information with the
clicks, that still would not violate the privacy policy as long as the
data is sufficiently anonymized before it is seen by human eyes.

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Re: Talking about Bert Roberts, Commons, and Wikipedia on ABC Radio in Queensland

2009-11-19T00:34:07Z

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Craig Franklin <craig@...> wrote:
> I’m not sure about the distributability of a recording, as I suspect that it
> won’t be under a free licence (I will have a recording). I will try to get
> a transcript up somewhere.

If you can obtain a CC/PD release from anyone else who spoke, the
transcript can go on Wikisource.

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Re: External click logging

2009-11-19T00:23:18Z

Reading the Privacy policy I dont see this would violate the policy as it specifically doesnt record private data(ip, username), in my reading of http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy#Purpose_of_the_collection_of_private_information the policy specifically says "The Foundation limits the collection of personally identifiable user data to purposes which serve the well-being of its projects...." then includes some examples like public accountability of the projects, and site statistics(raw data is not made public). This the tool appears to be within those bounds of the privacy policy.

2009/11/19 Dakota <sandahlb@...>

I had the same thought when I first saw it.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Tim Starling <tstarling@...> wrote:

Magnus Manske wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> as promised on the meeting, I wrote a small JavaScript/Toolserver
> setup that can log clicks on Commons leading to external pages.

I believe this would be a violation of Wikimedia's privacy policy.

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Re: External click logging

2009-11-18T17:10:26Z

I had the same thought when I first saw it.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Tim Starling <tstarling@...> wrote:

Magnus Manske wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> as promised on the meeting, I wrote a small JavaScript/Toolserver
> setup that can log clicks on Commons leading to external pages.

I believe this would be a violation of Wikimedia's privacy policy.

-- Tim Starling

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Re: External click logging

2009-11-18T16:33:44Z

Magnus Manske wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> as promised on the meeting, I wrote a small JavaScript/Toolserver
> setup that can log clicks on Commons leading to external pages.

I believe this would be a violation of Wikimedia's privacy policy.

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External click logging

2009-11-18T07:18:50Z

Hi all,

as promised on the meeting, I wrote a small JavaScript/Toolserver
setup that can log clicks on Commons leading to external pages.

This requires JavaScript to be active, but that should be the case
with the "normal" (read: not-geek) population. If JavaScript is turned
off or not available, it degrades gracefully (it just won't count the
click).

JavaScript : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/log_external_link_clicks.js
To activate : addOnloadHook ( log_external_link_clicks ) ;

The latter could go into the main Commons javascript page. No further
setup is required.

This will "capture" all external link clicks within the page content,
tell the toolserver about it, and then load the intended page.

A logfile will be generated on the toolserver, containing anonymized
data like the Commons page and namespace, target URL, link text,
timestamp etc.
It also records content and user language, as well as the information
if the user was logged in or not (but no user name or IP!).

Log files will be visible on the toolserver in
/mnt/user-store/mm6_logs (1 file per month; can switch to 1 per day if
volume is too large).

That should give us some nice statistics about how many people follow
which link from where, which will be useful as an argument on GLAMs.

Note that with the same mechanism, I could log other events as well,
e.g., clicks on an image on the image page (to see the full-size
version). However, it would be overkill to use it for "image pages
viewed" in general, IMHO.

Cheers,
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Re: Talking about Bert Roberts, Commons, and Wikipedia on ABC Radio in Queensland

2009-11-15T02:59:45Z

Hoi,
It does not need to be on Commons, it would be just nice to have a URL and be able to listen to it :)
Thanks,
GerardM

2009/11/15 Craig Franklin <craig@...>

I’m not sure about the distributability of a recording, as I suspect that it won’t be under a free licence (I will have a recording). I will try to get a transcript up somewhere. Alternatively, you can stream the radio station over the internet at their website, which could be a good way for those outside of the Queensland Coasts to listen: http://www.abc.net.au/goldcoast/

Regards,

Craig

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Subject: Re: [Commons-l] Talking about Bert Roberts, Commons, and Wikipedia on ABC Radio in Queensland

Hoi,
Will there be a recording so that the people who are on the opposite end of the globe can listen to it ?
Thanks,
GerardM

2009/11/14 Craig Franklin <craig@...>

Hi all,

Just a heads-up that yesterday I recorded an interview with Scott Mayman of ABC Radio, where we talked about the Bert Roberts photo collection, free licensing, Wikimedia Commons, and Wikipedia. The interview will be broadcast on Scott’s “Afternoon Chillout” programme next week, most probably on Friday. People on the Gold Coast can listen on 91.7FM, and on the Sunshine Coast can listen on 90.3FM. We spoke for fifteen minutes about various things, but the interview will be edited down to around five minutes for actual broadcast, so I don’t know what topics will actually make it onto the air. Nevertheless, if you’re in the area, and want to hear me talk about Edwardian-era Ipswich, flagged revisions, and the free culture movement in general, please tune in!

Cheers,

Craig (who is glad that his first on air radio experience is over with!)

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Re: Talking about Bert Roberts, Commons, and Wikipedia on ABC Radio in Queensland

2009-11-15T02:53:45Z

I’m not sure about the distributability of a recording, as I suspect that it won’t be under a free licence (I will have a recording). I will try to get a transcript up somewhere. Alternatively, you can stream the radio station over the internet at their website, which could be a good way for those outside of the Queensland Coasts to listen: http://www.abc.net.au/goldcoast/

Regards,

Craig

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Subject: Re: [Commons-l] Talking about Bert Roberts, Commons, and Wikipedia on ABC Radio in Queensland

Hoi,
Will there be a recording so that the people who are on the opposite end of the globe can listen to it ?
Thanks,
GerardM

2009/11/14 Craig Franklin <craig@...>

Hi all,

Just a heads-up that yesterday I recorded an interview with Scott Mayman of ABC Radio, where we talked about the Bert Roberts photo collection, free licensing, Wikimedia Commons, and Wikipedia. The interview will be broadcast on Scott’s “Afternoon Chillout” programme next week, most probably on Friday. People on the Gold Coast can listen on 91.7FM, and on the Sunshine Coast can listen on 90.3FM. We spoke for fifteen minutes about various things, but the interview will be edited down to around five minutes for actual broadcast, so I don’t know what topics will actually make it onto the air. Nevertheless, if you’re in the area, and want to hear me talk about Edwardian-era Ipswich, flagged revisions, and the free culture movement in general, please tune in!

Cheers,

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Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Wiki Loves Art at the V&A - photos now on Commons

2009-11-14T07:09:45Z

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From: Michael Peel <email@...>
Date: 2009/11/14
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Wiki Loves Art at the V&A - photos now on Commons
To: wikimediauk-l@...

Hi all,

Thanks to Kaldari, the photos from the Wiki Loves Art event at the
Victoria and Albert Museum last February are now (finally) online!
You can find them at:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_Loves_Art_at_the_Victoria_and_Albert_Museum

Please help categorize them and add them to articles - the more these
images are used, the stronger our argument to museums in the future
to get them to participate in this sort of event, so we can get even
more photos etc...

Planning for the Britain Loves Wikipedia event next February is
ongoing; we have several museums involved already, and a number of
others that are interested. Please help develop the event on the wiki:
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Britain_Loves_Wikipedia

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Re: Talking about Bert Roberts, Commons, and Wikipedia on ABC Radio in Queensland

2009-11-13T23:59:48Z

Hoi,
Will there be a recording so that the people who are on the opposite end of the globe can listen to it ?
Thanks,
GerardM

2009/11/14 Craig Franklin <craig@...>

Hi all,

Just a heads-up that yesterday I recorded an interview with Scott Mayman of ABC Radio, where we talked about the Bert Roberts photo collection, free licensing, Wikimedia Commons, and Wikipedia. The interview will be broadcast on Scott’s “Afternoon Chillout” programme next week, most probably on Friday. People on the Gold Coast can listen on 91.7FM, and on the Sunshine Coast can listen on 90.3FM. We spoke for fifteen minutes about various things, but the interview will be edited down to around five minutes for actual broadcast, so I don’t know what topics will actually make it onto the air. Nevertheless, if you’re in the area, and want to hear me talk about Edwardian-era Ipswich, flagged revisions, and the free culture movement in general, please tune in!

Cheers,

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Talking about Bert Roberts, Commons, and Wikipedia on ABC Radio in Queensland

2009-11-13T19:36:25Z

Hi all,

Cheers,

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Re: Growth of Commons traffic

2009-11-10T09:51:47Z

2009/11/9 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...>:
> Hoi,
> According to the statistics, the traffic of Commons grew last month by 35%
> to 268 M. This makes it in traffic bigger then the German Wikipedia.. The
> German Wikipedia is our third biggest Wikipedai... Does anybody have a clue
> what is happening. Is there a potential for a similar sized growth next
> month ??

The report from Paris earlier today mentioned that global usage
details are now becoming available for Commons images. Might this have
some kind of impact on the Commons usage statistics - has it altered
the way they're calculated in any way?

http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm

Alternatively, it might just be a statistical blip. Wikisource jumped
by 60% in September and then reverted; Wikispecies had a similar jump
and fall in March. de.wp, looking more widely, did the same last
December. We'll know for sure next month :-)

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Re: Growth of Commons traffic

2009-11-10T04:19:52Z

Hoi,
I did get the numbers wrong.. it is not the German but the Dutch Wikipedia.. Given its growth, it will outgrow the German Wikipedia.
Thanks,
GerardM

2009/11/10 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...>

Hoi,
I got these numbers from the statistics by the WMF ...
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm

It is likely to surpass the Portuguese Wikipedia as well.. 77.7 M compared with 72.6 M
Thanks,
GerardM

2009/11/10 Plyd <wiki.vincent@...>

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen@...> wrote:
> Hoi,
> According to the statistics, the traffic of Commons grew last month by 35%
> to 268 M. This makes it in traffic bigger then the German Wikipedia.. The
> German Wikipedia is our third biggest Wikipedai... Does anybody have a clue
> what is happening. Is there a potential for a similar sized growth next7

> month ??
>
> Given that we are getting to the stage where we will support video, Commons
> may become bigger then the English Wikipedia in traffic
> Thanks,
> GerardM

Hi
Where did you get these stats ?
View pages from the squid servers ?
Thanks, Plyd

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Re: Growth of Commons traffic

2009-11-10T03:56:19Z

Hoi,
I got these numbers from the statistics by the WMF ...
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm

It is likely to surpass the Portuguese Wikipedia as well.. 77.7 M compared with 72.6 M
Thanks,
GerardM

2009/11/10 Plyd <wiki.vincent@...>

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen@...> wrote:
> Hoi,
> According to the statistics, the traffic of Commons grew last month by 35%
> to 268 M. This makes it in traffic bigger then the German Wikipedia.. The
> German Wikipedia is our third biggest Wikipedai... Does anybody have a clue
> what is happening. Is there a potential for a similar sized growth next7
> month ??
>
> Given that we are getting to the stage where we will support video, Commons
> may become bigger then the English Wikipedia in traffic
> Thanks,
> GerardM

Hi
Where did you get these stats ?
View pages from the squid servers ?
Thanks, Plyd

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Re: Growth of Commons traffic

2009-11-10T03:46:07Z

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen@...> wrote:

> Hoi,
> According to the statistics, the traffic of Commons grew last month by 35%
> to 268 M. This makes it in traffic bigger then the German Wikipedia.. The
> German Wikipedia is our third biggest Wikipedai... Does anybody have a clue
> what is happening. Is there a potential for a similar sized growth next
> month ??
>
> Given that we are getting to the stage where we will support video, Commons
> may become bigger then the English Wikipedia in traffic
> Thanks,
> GerardM

Hi
Where did you get these stats ?
View pages from the squid servers ?
Thanks, Plyd

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Growth of Commons traffic

2009-11-09T15:03:20Z

Hoi,
According to the statistics, the traffic of Commons grew last month by 35% to 268 M. This makes it in traffic bigger then the German Wikipedia.. The German Wikipedia is our third biggest Wikipedai... Does anybody have a clue what is happening. Is there a potential for a similar sized growth next month ??

Given that we are getting to the stage where we will support video, Commons may become bigger then the English Wikipedia in traffic
Thanks,
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Re: museums that donate pictures to Wikimedia or Flickr Commons

2009-11-09T05:33:01Z

I've been putting together some pages on content partnerships so that
I can point UK collections towards the information:

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cultural_partnerships/Content_partnerships

I'm adding information as I find it to that page; if you know of
anything I've missed, please let me know. Statistics of how well used
the images are would be incredibly useful...

Mike

On 9 Nov 2009, at 12:48, Brianna Laugher wrote:

> 2009/11/8 David Monniaux <David.Monniaux@...>:
>> For the purpose of meeting officials and attempting to convince
>> them to
>> donate pictures to Flickr Commons or Wikimedia Commons, I'd need
>> statistics about museums that already do so.
>>
>> Do we have that available somewhere? (Numbers of pictures, how
>> they are
>> used on various project, how prevalent they are and so on.)
>
> There are some incomplete pages for Wikimedia Commons at
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Commons_partnerships
>
> http://www.indicommons.org/ seems to be a blog for Flickr Commons. I
> doubt you will find anything comprehensive there, but individual
> institutions may blog about their experience. e.g.
> http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/dmsblog/index.php/2008/05/06/
> commons-on-flickr-one-month-later/
> http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/dmsblog/index.php/2009/10/06/
> augmented-reality-and-the-powerhouse-images-in-the-commons-or-
> interesting-things-clever-people-do-with-yout-data-7215/
>
> cheers
> Brianna
>
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Re: Update from Paris

2009-11-09T05:31:25Z

Hoi,
The conference in Paris was a Commons conference and while important, the GLAM part was only part of what we did. It was a "working conference" very much intended to prepare for the Ford foundation project to improve the usability of Commons.

As you may appreciate, my mail was intended to inform that we have been talking and, to indicate in what direction the thinking was going. There is no intention to write an official communique and if at all it will not have anything firm in there except for "we consider working with GLAM very important". When you work with GLAMs you may also know that there is a mailing list on the subject.

At that we came to the conclusion that we do not necessarily know who is doing what in this field ...
Thanks,
GerardM

2009/11/8 Craig Franklin <craig@...>

Hi All,

Will there be an official communiqué concerning the things that were discussed at this conference? Some of the GLAM institutes that I am working with would doubtlessly be interested in what’s planned for the future where Commons is concerned.

Cheers,

Craig F.

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Hoi.
The French chapter did a wonderful job organising some of the brightest lights that deal with Commons in one place. Many subjects were discussed and some things were achieved.

The two (technical) things that stand out on the achieving part..

there is now global usage for images from within MediaWiki itself.. so no need for using the toolserver... The process of gathering all the necessary data may now have ended..

a first stab has been made at subtitles for video

In the discussion there were many things I found absolutely wonderful:

the workflow of uploads will be reconsidered; this means that a "working area" will exists where pictures can have a temporary home. This will allow to upload a batch of images and tag them all with shared attributes.. It will also allow for the checking of known issues BEFORE they go live

This working or staging area would also exist for GLAMs or competitions

A demo was given for what a competion workflow might look like

Pictures are now deleted when certain attributes are wrong or missing.. When they are pushed back into the staging area, we are less nasty and allow for cooperation

Social networking tools help us support newbies, resolve issues in a quiet way.. This helps us realise our objectives; write an encyclopaedia, build a kick arse freely licensed resource of multi media

there is a mailing list for people involved in GLAM and the outreach to GLAM, many people subscribed and hopefully this will lead to better coordination and in shared lessons learned

It was a great meeting.. There were a few critical issues as far as I am concerned:

several relevant people refuse to post / answer on the foundation-l. The list proves to be irrelevant because this list does not get that message

currently there is no alternative... LiquidThreads may help as it is a pull not a push mechanism ...

some people I missed at the meeting, Durova being the most notable

our focus was about improving Commons for the people that use it particuarly as contributors.. The success of our project is however the result of use and reuse. \

subtitles was one of the more important novelties, we need to make the reuse in WordPress, Drupal .... as easy as the reuse of Commons in MediaWiki !! The API is getting to the stage where that is doable

Thanks,
GerardM

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Re: museums that donate pictures to Wikimedia or Flickr Commons

2009-11-09T04:48:03Z

2009/11/8 David Monniaux <David.Monniaux@...>:
> For the purpose of meeting officials and attempting to convince them to
> donate pictures to Flickr Commons or Wikimedia Commons, I'd need
> statistics about museums that already do so.
>
> Do we have that available somewhere? (Numbers of pictures, how they are
> used on various project, how prevalent they are and so on.)

There are some incomplete pages for Wikimedia Commons at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Commons_partnerships

http://www.indicommons.org/ seems to be a blog for Flickr Commons. I
doubt you will find anything comprehensive there, but individual
institutions may blog about their experience. e.g.
http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/dmsblog/index.php/2008/05/06/commons-on-flickr-one-month-later/
http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/dmsblog/index.php/2009/10/06/augmented-reality-and-the-powerhouse-images-in-the-commons-or-interesting-things-clever-people-do-with-yout-data-7215/

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Re: Update from Paris

2009-11-09T02:34:33Z

Hoi,
There is some documentation from the sessions on the Usability Wiki. They are notes taken at the sessions. They reflect what was said but not necessarily gives a good impression on the thinking behind it.

What we agreed on in Paris is that some administrators effectively prevent new users learning how to become Wikimedians. Some say they are a self selecting group of assholes that (may) mean well... By introducing technology that makes it easy to be friendly, we hope that many admins prove not to be assholes. Particularly for Commons there is a need to help people out. Commons is a multi lingual project and it is not easy at all to understand or appreciate the wall of information that is expected to be understood the first time around when you speak English. People who do not speak English do not stand a chance and, this has to be made easier.
Thanks,
GerardM

2009/11/9 Eusebius <wikipedia@...>

Hi Gerard, thanks for your report,

there is now global usage for images from within MediaWiki itself.. so no need for using the toolserver... The process of gathering all the necessary data may now have ended..

I hadn't seen that, that's nice. Results seem to be incomplete, though, is it working only on a subset of the servers?

the workflow of uploads will be reconsidered; this means that a "working area" will exists where pictures can have a temporary home. This will allow to upload a batch of images and tag them all with shared attributes.. It will also allow for the checking of known issues BEFORE they go live

I am much interested in that point and the subjects related to this planned modification of the workflow, where can we find more information about that?

This working or staging area would also exist for GLAMs or competitions

What's GLAM again?

Social networking tools help us support newbies, resolve issues in a quiet way.

What do you mean? Any specific details available anywhere?

Thanks again
Eusebius

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Re: Update from Paris

2009-11-09T01:46:16Z

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Eusebius <wikipedia@...> wrote:
> Hi Gerard, thanks for your report,
>
>> there is now global usage for images from within MediaWiki itself.. so no
>> need for using the toolserver... The process of gathering all the necessary
>> data may now have ended..
>
> I hadn't seen that, that's nice. Results seem to be incomplete, though, is
> it working only on a subset of the servers?
>

Currently only data is available for pages that have been edited since
the extension was enabled. We are currently dealing with some
technical problems which happened in the process of populating data
from other pages, and I hope that we will soon have a complete data
set.

Bryan

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Re: Update from Paris

2009-11-09T01:06:06Z

GLAM - Galleries, Libraries, Archives, Museums

2009/11/9 Eusebius <wikipedia@...>

Hi Gerard, thanks for your report,

there is now global usage for images from within MediaWiki itself.. so no need for using the toolserver... The process of gathering all the necessary data may now have ended..

I hadn't seen that, that's nice. Results seem to be incomplete, though, is it working only on a subset of the servers?

the workflow of uploads will be reconsidered; this means that a "working area" will exists where pictures can have a temporary home. This will allow to upload a batch of images and tag them all with shared attributes.. It will also allow for the checking of known issues BEFORE they go live

I am much interested in that point and the subjects related to this planned modification of the workflow, where can we find more information about that?

This working or staging area would also exist for GLAMs or competitions

What's GLAM again?

Social networking tools help us support newbies, resolve issues in a quiet way.

What do you mean? Any specific details available anywhere?

Thanks again
Eusebius

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Re: Update from Paris

2009-11-09T01:02:16Z

Hi Gerard, thanks for your report,

there is now global usage for images from within MediaWiki itself.. so no need for using the toolserver... The process of gathering all the necessary data may now have ended..

I hadn't seen that, that's nice. Results seem to be incomplete, though, is it working only on a subset of the servers?

the workflow of uploads will be reconsidered; this means that a "working area" will exists where pictures can have a temporary home. This will allow to upload a batch of images and tag them all with shared attributes.. It will also allow for the checking of known issues BEFORE they go live

I am much interested in that point and the subjects related to this planned modification of the workflow, where can we find more information about that?

This working or staging area would also exist for GLAMs or competitions

What's GLAM again?

Social networking tools help us support newbies, resolve issues in a quiet way.

What do you mean? Any specific details available anywhere?

Thanks again
Eusebius

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Update from Paris

2009-11-09T00:37:22Z

Hoi.
The French chapter did a wonderful job organising some of the brightest lights that deal with Commons in one place. Many subjects were discussed and some things were achieved.

The two (technical) things that stand out on the achieving part..

there is now global usage for images from within MediaWiki itself.. so no need for using the toolserver... The process of gathering all the necessary data may now have ended..
a first stab has been made at subtitles for video

In the discussion there were many things I found absolutely wonderful:

the workflow of uploads will be reconsidered; this means that a "working area" will exists where pictures can have a temporary home. This will allow to upload a batch of images and tag them all with shared attributes.. It will also allow for the checking of known issues BEFORE they go live
This working or staging area would also exist for GLAMs or competitions
A demo was given for what a competion workflow might look like
Pictures are now deleted when certain attributes are wrong or missing.. When they are pushed back into the staging area, we are less nasty and allow for cooperation
Social networking tools help us support newbies, resolve issues in a quiet way.. This helps us realise our objectives; write an encyclopaedia, build a kick arse freely licensed resource of multi media
there is a mailing list for people involved in GLAM and the outreach to GLAM, many people subscribed and hopefully this will lead to better coordination and in shared lessons learned

It was a great meeting.. There were a few critical issues as far as I am concerned:

several relevant people refuse to post / answer on the foundation-l. The list proves to be irrelevant because this list does not get that message
currently there is no alternative... LiquidThreads may help as it is a pull not a push mechanism ...
some people I missed at the meeting, Durova being the most notable
our focus was about improving Commons for the people that use it particuarly as contributors.. The success of our project is however the result of use and reuse. \
subtitles was one of the more important novelties, we need to make the reuse in WordPress, Drupal .... as easy as the reuse of Commons in MediaWiki !! The API is getting to the stage where that is doable

Thanks,
GerardM

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Re: Update from Paris

2009-11-08T04:55:40Z

Hi All,

Will there be an official communiqué concerning the things that were discussed at this conference? Some of the GLAM institutes that I am working with would doubtlessly be interested in what’s planned for the future where Commons is concerned.

Cheers,

Craig F.

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Sent: Monday, 9 November 2009 6:37 PM
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List; Wikimedia Commons Discussion List
Subject: [Commons-l] Update from Paris

there is now global usage for images from within MediaWiki itself.. so no need for using the toolserver... The process of gathering all the necessary data may now have ended..
a first stab has been made at subtitles for video

In the discussion there were many things I found absolutely wonderful:

the workflow of uploads will be reconsidered; this means that a "working area" will exists where pictures can have a temporary home. This will allow to upload a batch of images and tag them all with shared attributes.. It will also allow for the checking of known issues BEFORE they go live
This working or staging area would also exist for GLAMs or competitions
A demo was given for what a competion workflow might look like
Pictures are now deleted when certain attributes are wrong or missing.. When they are pushed back into the staging area, we are less nasty and allow for cooperation
Social networking tools help us support newbies, resolve issues in a quiet way.. This helps us realise our objectives; write an encyclopaedia, build a kick arse freely licensed resource of multi media
there is a mailing list for people involved in GLAM and the outreach to GLAM, many people subscribed and hopefully this will lead to better coordination and in shared lessons learned

It was a great meeting.. There were a few critical issues as far as I am concerned:

several relevant people refuse to post / answer on the foundation-l. The list proves to be irrelevant because this list does not get that message
currently there is no alternative... LiquidThreads may help as it is a pull not a push mechanism ...
some people I missed at the meeting, Durova being the most notable
our focus was about improving Commons for the people that use it particuarly as contributors.. The success of our project is however the result of use and reuse. \
subtitles was one of the more important novelties, we need to make the reuse in WordPress, Drupal .... as easy as the reuse of Commons in MediaWiki !! The API is getting to the stage where that is doable

Thanks,
GerardM

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Re: FYI: The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

2009-11-07T17:33:23Z

2009/11/7 Ian A. Holton <poeloq@...>:

> Qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqaaqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqaqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqaqqaqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq

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Re: FYI: The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

2009-11-07T14:32:17Z

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