Wood and brass list

[Michael Pritchard]

Thank you everyone one for your welcome messages. I'd like to thank Marcel Safier who made me aware of the list. For anyone who doesn't know I ran the photographic auctions at Christie's until they stopped and I am now doing a PhD on the nineteenth century British photographic manufacturing industry (more at my website). I have a pretty good collection myself of trade catalogues and literature so I should be able to contribute here… 

Michael Pritchard
 Web: www.mpritchard.com
 

[Rob Niederman]

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Hi Michael … good of you to join the list.

 

Regarding your PhD, have you seen the work by Dr. Alison Morrison-Low entitled “

 

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Thank you everyone one for your welcome messages. I'd like to thank Marcel Safier who made me aware of the list. For anyone who doesn't know I ran the photographic auctions at Christie's until they stopped and I am now doing a PhD on the nineteenth century British photographic manufacturing industry (more at my website). I have a pretty good collection myself of trade catalogues and literature so I should be able to contribute here… 

Michael Pritchard
 Web: www.mpritchard.com
 

[Rob Niederman]

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Michael … regarding your PhD, have you seen the research by Dr. Alison Morrison-Low (National Museums of Scotland) entitled “Instrument making and early photography”?

 

- Rob

 

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Thank you everyone one for your welcome messages. I'd like to thank Marcel Safier who made me aware of the list. For anyone who doesn't know I ran the photographic auctions at Christie's until they stopped and I am now doing a PhD on the nineteenth century British photographic manufacturing industry (more at my website). I have a pretty good collection myself of trade catalogues and literature so I should be able to contribute here… 

Michael Pritchard
 Web: www.mpritchard.com
 

[Michael Pritchard]

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Thanks, Rob. I know Alison's piece from the PhotoHistorian. It's a useful survey.

 

Michael

www.mpritchard.com

 

 

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Michael … regarding your PhD, have you seen the research by Dr. Alison Morrison-Low (National Museums of Scotland) entitled “Instrument making and early photography”?

 

- Rob

 

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Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:30 AM
To: woodandbrass@...
Subject: [W&B] Wood and brass list

 

Thank you everyone one for your welcome messages. I'd like to thank Marcel Safier who made me aware of the list. For anyone who doesn't know I ran the photographic auctions at Christie's until they stopped and I am now doing a PhD on the nineteenth century British photographic manufacturing industry (more at my website). I have a pretty good collection myself of trade catalogues and literature so I should be able to contribute here… 

Michael Pritchard
 Web: www.mpritchard.com
 

[Milan Zahorcak*]

 Michael,

OH! can't miss this opportunity . . . and also a shameless plug for my eBay
listing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230212154931

Can you tell me anything about: "W. Heath, Optician, Plymouth"  ???

Thanks,

Milan



   

[Michael Pritchard]

I have not come cross 'W Heath' before. I would imagine that he was just
a regular optician who bought in cameras to retail under his own name or
made them up from bought in parts. I can be certain that there is no
Murray & Heath connection as this Heath was 'Vernon Heath' who had a
career as a landscape photographer.

Regards

Michael Pritchard
www.mpritchard.com

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[mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Milan Zahorcak
Sent: 15 January 2008 04:04
To: 'Collectors of 19th Century Cameras &Photographica'
Subject: RE: [W&B] Wood and brass - test for Michael


 Michael,

OH! can't miss this opportunity . . . and also a shameless plug for my
eBay listing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230212154931

Can you tell me anything about: "W. Heath, Optician, Plymouth"  ???

Thanks,

Milan



   

[Milan Zahorcak*]

Hmmm . . . good point about Vernon.

My guy is probably William Heath.  But Dubya . . . W as you folks say, was also involved in photography.

W. Heath shows up at 24 George Street, Plymouth, and I have found many photographic references for Heath & Bullingham, also at 24 George Street, Plymouth.

 

And here is a satellite view of 24 George Street . . .

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=24+George+Street,+Plymouth,+England&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.822921,74.707031&ie=UTF8&ll=50.369199,-4.173015&spn=0.002265,0.00456&t=h&z=18&om=1

As far as hardware goes, both Christies and Sotheby's have auctioned various W. Heath instruments in the past, see below.

And Devonport is also mentioned on occasion; and is near Plymouth, I believe.

 

Oh, well . . . I'm still going to claim that the camera is rare and historically significant - at least for my wallet.

 

Thanks,

 

mz

 

 

HEATH, WILLIAM, 24 George Street, Plymouth, England, c.1850, MIM PHIM SIM Stick Barometer = Sotheby's 7/28/72; Theodolite = Ineichen 10/20/75; Microscope - Christie 11/22/78.    

HEATH, THOMAS C. England, c.1850, OIM PHIM Telescope, eight draw = DeLuca 8/1/87.  Optician; barometer maker; watchmaker; the telescope was signed "Heath, 24 George St. Plymouth;"

HEATH, WILLIAM.  England, fl.1850-57, MIM OIM PHIM Theodolites = P.C. (1968), Christie 4/3/85; Stadiometers = OXF, Christie 7/12/67.  often signed "W. Heath"; worked with Thomas Cornish in 1850; "Optician."  46 Fore Street (1850-52); 116 Fore Street (1857); both in Devonport. 

HEATH, England, c.1850, MIM OIM PHIM Binocular Microscope = D.(1972); Rule, ivory, = Sotheby's 10/15/73; Stick Barometer = X; Telescope = Frank Coll.  "Optician"; probably Thomas C. Heath or William Heath, Plymouth. 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: woodandbrass-bounces@...
> [woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Michael Pritchard
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:29 PM
> To: 'Collectors of 19th Century Cameras &Photographica'
> Subject: RE: [W&B] Wood and brass - test for Michael
>
>
> I have not come cross 'W Heath' before. I would imagine that
> he was just a regular optician who bought in cameras to
> retail under his own name or made them up from bought in
> parts. I can be certain that there is no Murray & Heath
> connection as this Heath was 'Vernon Heath' who had a career
> as a landscape photographer.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael Pritchard
> www.mpritchard.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: woodandbrass-bounces@...
> [woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Milan Zahorcak
> Sent: 15 January 2008 04:04
> To: 'Collectors of 19th Century Cameras &Photographica'
> Subject: RE: [W&B] Wood and brass - test for Michael
>
>
>  Michael,
>
> OH! can't miss this opportunity . . . and also a shameless
> plug for my eBay listing.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230212154931

>

> Can you tell me anything about: "W. Heath, Optician, Plymouth"  ???
>
> Thanks,
>
> Milan
>
>
>
>   
>
>
>

[Marcel Safier]

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Milan and Michael

 

Firstly Milan, I don’t usually propagate shameless plugs for eBay cameras I intend bidding on but you have flushed me out with your enquiry! I am working on a database of British camera manufacturers in the background and can provide the following:

 

William Heath was listed in the censuses thus.

 

1851 William and Thomas C. Heath, 46 Fore St, Stole Damerel, Devon Opticians and Nautical Instrument Makers

1861 William Heath, 1 Clarence Baths, Devonport Master Optician

1871 William Heath, Buckland Monachorum, Devon Mathematical Instrument Maker & Photographer

1881 William Heath, Portland Square, Plymouth Optician and Photographer.

1891 William Heath, Furzecroft, Tavistock Optician and Photographer (his daughter Elizabeth is listed as masseuse and nurse electrician – please count me in!)
1901 William Heath, Howard Heath licensee of the Plough Hotel, Weston Super Mare (he was listed in 1891 as a Photographer)

 

William Heath b. 4 Sep 1823, bap. 12 Oct 1823, Granby Or Mount Street Chapel-Independent, Devonport, Devon son of William Heath and Alice Cornish

William Heath died Tavistock, Devon 1896

 

I would like to mention the resource that might help others researching British instrument makers that you appear to have quoted, namely the Webster database of signed scientific instruments http://historydb.adlerplanetarium.org/signatures/

 

We note it lists William Heath and Thomas Cornish; barometer and instrument makers, 46 Fore Street, Devonport (1850-52). I can’t find a Thomas Cornish in the 1851 census. I believe this is an error and indeed refers to Thomas Cornish Heath b. 18 Feb 1826, baptized: 16 Apr 1826, Granby Or Mount Street Chapel-Independent, Devonport, Devon son of William Heath and Alice Cornish. I will be notifying the database maintainers of this correction.

 

William is listed thus as a photographer (thank you to Sandy Barrie for this):

 

William Heath, 5 George St, Plymouth 1866
Heath and Bullingham, 24 George St, Plymouth 1877-1892
Heath & Co, 24 George St, Plymouth 1893-1902
Heath and Stoneman, 24 George St, Plymouth 1902-1926

 

Since William died in 1896 and Howard went to Weston and ran a pub I wonder who the Heath was in the photography business after William’s death? He had no other sons I am aware of unless it was one of his daughters. His widow and daughters Elizabeth and Alice moved to Torquay. Maybe they just traded using Heath’s his name.

 

I would indeed consider William Heath likely to have been a camera manufacturer given his long history as an optical manufacture and his simultaneous occupation in photography. What do you think Michael?

 

Cheers!

Marcel
--
Marcel Safier (Photographic Historian)
PO Box 239
Holland Park 4121
Queensland Australia
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~msafier/index.html

 

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From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Milan Zahorcak
Sent: 15 January 2008 16:05
To: 'Collectors of 19th Century Cameras &Photographica'
Subject: RE: [W&B] Wood and brass - test for Michael

 

 

Hmmm . . . good point about Vernon.

My guy is probably William Heath.  But Dubya . . . W as you folks say, was also involved in photography.

W. Heath shows up at 24 George Street, Plymouth, and I have found many photographic references for Heath & Bullingham, also at 24 George Street, Plymouth.

 

And here is a satellite view of 24 George Street . . .

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=24+George+Street,+Plymouth,+England&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.822921,74.707031&ie=UTF8&ll=50.369199,-4.173015&spn=0.002265,0.00456&t=h&z=18&om=1

As far as hardware goes, both Christies and Sotheby's have auctioned various W. Heath instruments in the past, see below.

And Devonport is also mentioned on occasion; and is near Plymouth, I believe.

 

Oh, well . . . I'm still going to claim that the camera is rare and historically significant - at least for my wallet.

 

Thanks,

 

mz

 

 

 

HEATH, WILLIAM, 24 George Street, Plymouth, England, c.1850, MIM PHIM SIM Stick Barometer = Sotheby's 7/28/72; Theodolite = Ineichen 10/20/75; Microscope - Christie 11/22/78.    

HEATH, THOMAS C. England, c.1850, OIM PHIM Telescope, eight draw = DeLuca 8/1/87.  Optician; barometer maker; watchmaker; the telescope was signed "Heath, 24 George St. Plymouth;"

HEATH, WILLIAM.  England, fl.1850-57, MIM OIM PHIM Theodolites = P.C. (1968), Christie 4/3/85; Stadiometers = OXF, Christie 7/12/67.  often signed "W. Heath"; worked with Thomas Cornish in 1850; "Optician."  46 Fore Street (1850-52); 116 Fore Street (1857); both in Devonport. 

HEATH, England, c.1850, MIM OIM PHIM Binocular Microscope = D.(1972); Rule, ivory, = Sotheby's 10/15/73; Stick Barometer = X; Telescope = Frank Coll.  "Optician"; probably Thomas C. Heath or William Heath, Plymouth. 

 

 

 

[Milan Zahorcak*]

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Marcel,

 

You always astonish me.  Amazing work. 

 

Unfortunately, this item already has a bidder so I can't raise the price, but I do encourage you (and all other members who are not in full hibernation) to bid wildly as I am still paying off my share of the kids college loans . . . that will go on for years to come, sigh.

 

Many thanks,

 

mz

 

PS:  Holland Park, Queensland?  Near Brisbane, yes?  I spent a couple of months down-under in 2004 including a week in Port Douglas - none of the touristy Cairns for us.   Lovely country, had a wonderful time.  What would you like to know?   I could send you all 1249 pics  . . .

 

 

 

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From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Marcel Safier
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:20 AM
To: 'Collectors of 19th Century Cameras &Photographica'
Subject: RE: [W&B] Wood and brass - test for Michael

Milan and Michael

 

Firstly Milan, I don’t usually propagate shameless plugs for eBay cameras I intend bidding on but you have flushed me out with your enquiry! I am working on a database of British camera manufacturers in the background and can provide the following:

 

William Heath was listed in the censuses thus.

 

1851 William and Thomas C. Heath, 46 Fore St, Stole Damerel, Devon Opticians and Nautical Instrument Makers

1861 William Heath, 1 Clarence Baths, Devonport Master Optician

1871 William Heath, Buckland Monachorum, Devon Mathematical Instrument Maker & Photographer

1881 William Heath, Portland Square, Plymouth Optician and Photographer.

1891 William Heath, Furzecroft, Tavistock Optician and Photographer (his daughter Elizabeth is listed as masseuse and nurse electrician – please count me in!)
1901 William Heath, Howard Heath licensee of the Plough Hotel, Weston Super Mare (he was listed in 1891 as a Photographer)

 

William Heath b. 4 Sep 1823, bap. 12 Oct 1823, Granby Or Mount Street Chapel-Independent, Devonport, Devon son of William Heath and Alice Cornish

William Heath died Tavistock, Devon 1896

 

I would like to mention the resource that might help others researching British instrument makers that you appear to have quoted, namely the Webster database of signed scientific instruments http://historydb.adlerplanetarium.org/signatures/

 

We note it lists William Heath and Thomas Cornish; barometer and instrument makers, 46 Fore Street, Devonport (1850-52). I can’t find a Thomas Cornish in the 1851 census. I believe this is an error and indeed refers to Thomas Cornish Heath b. 18 Feb 1826, baptized: 16 Apr 1826, Granby Or Mount Street Chapel-Independent, Devonport, Devon son of William Heath and Alice Cornish. I will be notifying the database maintainers of this correction.

 

William is listed thus as a photographer (thank you to Sandy Barrie for this):

 

William Heath, 5 George St, Plymouth 1866
Heath and Bullingham, 24 George St, Plymouth 1877-1892
Heath & Co, 24 George St, Plymouth 1893-1902
Heath and Stoneman, 24 George St, Plymouth 1902-1926

 

Since William died in 1896 and Howard went to Weston and ran a pub I wonder who the Heath was in the photography business after William’s death? He had no other sons I am aware of unless it was one of his daughters. His widow and daughters Elizabeth and Alice moved to Torquay. Maybe they just traded using Heath’s his name.

 

I would indeed consider William Heath likely to have been a camera manufacturer given his long history as an optical manufacture and his simultaneous occupation in photography. What do you think Michael?

 

Cheers!

Marcel
--
Marcel Safier (Photographic Historian)
PO Box 239
Holland Park 4121
Queensland Australia
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~msafier/index.html

 

-----Original Message-----
From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Milan Zahorcak
Sent: 15 January 2008 16:05
To: 'Collectors of 19th Century Cameras &Photographica'
Subject: RE: [W&B] Wood and brass - test for Michael

 

 

Hmmm . . . good point about Vernon.

My guy is probably William Heath.  But Dubya . . . W as you folks say, was also involved in photography.

W. Heath shows up at 24 George Street, Plymouth, and I have found many photographic references for Heath & Bullingham, also at 24 George Street, Plymouth.

 

And here is a satellite view of 24 George Street . . .

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=24+George+Street,+Plymouth,+England&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.822921,74.707031&ie=UTF8&ll=50.369199,-4.173015&spn=0.002265,0.00456&t=h&z=18&om=1

As far as hardware goes, both Christies and Sotheby's have auctioned various W. Heath instruments in the past, see below.

And Devonport is also mentioned on occasion; and is near Plymouth, I believe.

 

Oh, well . . . I'm still going to claim that the camera is rare and historically significant - at least for my wallet.

 

Thanks,

 

mz

 

 

 

HEATH, WILLIAM, 24 George Street, Plymouth, England, c.1850, MIM PHIM SIM Stick Barometer = Sotheby's 7/28/72; Theodolite = Ineichen 10/20/75; Microscope - Christie 11/22/78.    

HEATH, THOMAS C. England, c.1850, OIM PHIM Telescope, eight draw = DeLuca 8/1/87.  Optician; barometer maker; watchmaker; the telescope was signed "Heath, 24 George St. Plymouth;"

HEATH, WILLIAM.  England, fl.1850-57, MIM OIM PHIM Theodolites = P.C. (1968), Christie 4/3/85; Stadiometers = OXF, Christie 7/12/67.  often signed "W. Heath"; worked with Thomas Cornish in 1850; "Optician."  46 Fore Street (1850-52); 116 Fore Street (1857); both in Devonport. 

HEATH, England, c.1850, MIM OIM PHIM Binocular Microscope = D.(1972); Rule, ivory, = Sotheby's 10/15/73; Stick Barometer = X; Telescope = Frank Coll.  "Optician"; probably Thomas C. Heath or William Heath, Plymouth. 

 

 

 

[Michael Pritchard]

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Difficult to say - I think he's more likely to have been assembling cameras or buying them in and re-badging. Just from the census descriptions (which I know are subjective) it seems who had moved away from being an manufacturing optician/instrument maker by 1881. The camera is probably after this dates. As I am sure you both know there were several companies supplying camera brass work.

 

That said, it's speculation 130  years on...

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Marcel Safier
Sent: 15 January 2008 19:20
To: 'Collectors of 19th Century Cameras &Photographica'
Subject: RE: [W&B] Wood and brass - test for Michael

Milan and Michael

 

Firstly Milan, I don’t usually propagate shameless plugs for eBay cameras I intend bidding on but you have flushed me out with your enquiry! I am working on a database of British camera manufacturers in the background and can provide the following:

 

William Heath was listed in the censuses thus.

 

1851 William and Thomas C. Heath, 46 Fore St, Stole Damerel, Devon Opticians and Nautical Instrument Makers

1861 William Heath, 1 Clarence Baths, Devonport Master Optician

1871 William Heath, Buckland Monachorum, Devon Mathematical Instrument Maker & Photographer

1881 William Heath, Portland Square, Plymouth Optician and Photographer.

1891 William Heath, Furzecroft, Tavistock Optician and Photographer (his daughter Elizabeth is listed as masseuse and nurse electrician – please count me in!)
1901 William Heath, Howard Heath licensee of the Plough Hotel, Weston Super Mare (he was listed in 1891 as a Photographer)

 

William Heath b. 4 Sep 1823, bap. 12 Oct 1823, Granby Or Mount Street Chapel-Independent, Devonport, Devon son of William Heath and Alice Cornish

William Heath died Tavistock, Devon 1896

 

I would like to mention the resource that might help others researching British instrument makers that you appear to have quoted, namely the Webster database of signed scientific instruments http://historydb.adlerplanetarium.org/signatures/

 

We note it lists William Heath and Thomas Cornish; barometer and instrument makers, 46 Fore Street, Devonport (1850-52). I can’t find a Thomas Cornish in the 1851 census. I believe this is an error and indeed refers to Thomas Cornish Heath b. 18 Feb 1826, baptized: 16 Apr 1826, Granby Or Mount Street Chapel-Independent, Devonport, Devon son of William Heath and Alice Cornish. I will be notifying the database maintainers of this correction.

 

William is listed thus as a photographer (thank you to Sandy Barrie for this):

 

William Heath, 5 George St, Plymouth 1866
Heath and Bullingham, 24 George St, Plymouth 1877-1892
Heath & Co, 24 George St, Plymouth 1893-1902
Heath and Stoneman, 24 George St, Plymouth 1902-1926

 

Since William died in 1896 and Howard went to Weston and ran a pub I wonder who the Heath was in the photography business after William’s death? He had no other sons I am aware of unless it was one of his daughters. His widow and daughters Elizabeth and Alice moved to Torquay. Maybe they just traded using Heath’s his name.

 

I would indeed consider William Heath likely to have been a camera manufacturer given his long history as an optical manufacture and his simultaneous occupation in photography. What do you think Michael?

 

Cheers!

Marcel
--
Marcel Safier (Photographic Historian)
PO Box 239
Holland Park 4121
Queensland Australia
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~msafier/index.html

 

-----Original Message-----
From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Milan Zahorcak
Sent: 15 January 2008 16:05
To: 'Collectors of 19th Century Cameras &Photographica'
Subject: RE: [W&B] Wood and brass - test for Michael

 

 

Hmmm . . . good point about Vernon.

My guy is probably William Heath.  But Dubya . . . W as you folks say, was also involved in photography.

W. Heath shows up at 24 George Street, Plymouth, and I have found many photographic references for Heath & Bullingham, also at 24 George Street, Plymouth.

 

And here is a satellite view of 24 George Street . . .

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=24+George+Street,+Plymouth,+England&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.822921,74.707031&ie=UTF8&ll=50.369199,-4.173015&spn=0.002265,0.00456&t=h&z=18&om=1

As far as hardware goes, both Christies and Sotheby's have auctioned various W. Heath instruments in the past, see below.

And Devonport is also mentioned on occasion; and is near Plymouth, I believe.

 

Oh, well . . . I'm still going to claim that the camera is rare and historically significant - at least for my wallet.

 

Thanks,

 

mz

 

 

 

HEATH, WILLIAM, 24 George Street, Plymouth, England, c.1850, MIM PHIM SIM Stick Barometer = Sotheby's 7/28/72; Theodolite = Ineichen 10/20/75; Microscope - Christie 11/22/78.    

HEATH, THOMAS C. England, c.1850, OIM PHIM Telescope, eight draw = DeLuca 8/1/87.  Optician; barometer maker; watchmaker; the telescope was signed "Heath, 24 George St. Plymouth;"

HEATH, WILLIAM.  England, fl.1850-57, MIM OIM PHIM Theodolites = P.C. (1968), Christie 4/3/85; Stadiometers = OXF, Christie 7/12/67.  often signed "W. Heath"; worked with Thomas Cornish in 1850; "Optician."  46 Fore Street (1850-52); 116 Fore Street (1857); both in Devonport. 

HEATH, England, c.1850, MIM OIM PHIM Binocular Microscope = D.(1972); Rule, ivory, = Sotheby's 10/15/73; Stick Barometer = X; Telescope = Frank Coll.  "Optician"; probably Thomas C. Heath or William Heath, Plymouth. 

 

 

 

[David Silver]

Hi gang,

I'm looking at a neat little 1870's, perhaps 1880's transitional, English
wood and brass view camera.  Images may be available later, if people wish
to see it.  In the meantime, the lens and body are marked:

COOKE
126 HOXTON STREET
LONDON

Would this be James M. Cooke?  A different Cooke?  Original manufacture or
re-badge?  I've never seen this label before, and I can't seem to find any
references.  Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

Best wishes,

David Silver--President
International Photographic Historical Organization
E-mail: silver@...  Telephone: [phone]
Webpage location: http://www.well.com/user/silver/

[Marcel Safier]

David

I am currently slowly researching British camera and lens makers. I
haven't finished with the Cookes yet. James M. Cooke is listed in
Channing & Dunn as apparatus maker at 47 Tabernacle Walk in the London
POD 1882/3. I am unsure of a connection to the optician Cooke family of
Yorkshire who are more likely responsible for the lens you have. Thomas
Cooke died in 1868 but his sons continued the business.  They opened a
retail outlet in Southampton Street, London, in 1868 and it is possible
they had an outlet in Hoxton St at some point.

In the 1881 census 126 Hoxton St and 47 Tabernacle Walk are both
unoccupied. That is the only census year that can be searched by
address. Please let me know how you get on as I would like to add these
details to my database.

Cheers!

Marcel
--
Marcel Safier (Photographic Historian)
PO Box 239
Holland Park 4121
Queensland Australia
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~msafier/index.html 

-----Original Message-----
From: woodandbrass-bounces@...
[mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of David Silver
Sent: 21 January 2008 09:21
To: woodandbrass@...
Cc: idcc@...
Subject: [W&B] Need help identifying English maker or seller...

Hi gang,

I'm looking at a neat little 1870's, perhaps 1880's transitional,
English
wood and brass view camera.  Images may be available later, if people
wish
to see it.  In the meantime, the lens and body are marked:

COOKE
126 HOXTON STREET
LONDON

Would this be James M. Cooke?  A different Cooke?  Original manufacture
or
re-badge?  I've never seen this label before, and I can't seem to find
any
references.  Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

Best wishes,

David Silver--President
International Photographic Historical Organization
E-mail: silver@...  Telephone: [phone]
Webpage location: http://www.well.com/user/silver/

[Michael Pritchard]

David - Here's some information... I was already passed an enquiry about
'J Cooke' from a gentleman who seems to have just bought a camera with
this name on it and have responded...

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'J. Cooke' was advertising a variety of photographic goods from the late
1850s from his 'Wholesale photographic depot' as 'John Cooke, 63, Hoxton
Old Town, London, N' where he described himself as a 'Manufacturer of
chemicals, apparatus, lenses &c. Importer of American, French, and
German Goods and Maker of Collodions for Negative and Positive Pictures'
In 1862 he had just published 'Photography Made Easy'.  He would
probably have commissioned the camera to be made and then badged it with
his details. He was still advertising in 1875: 'J Cooke, 126, Hoxton
Street, London, N. Manufacturer of photographic chemicals, etc.. Now
ready Cooke's new illustrated catalogue of photographic materials'. His
adverts in the British Journal of Photography and Photographic News
usually show a stylised sliding box camera.
 
The London Post Office directories record Cooke as a Photographic
Materials Dealer from 1863-1880, initially at 63 Hoxton High Street and
then 126 Hoxton Street from 1867. During this period he was additional
described as 'Photographic Paper Maker and Dealer', 'Photographic
Apparatus Manufacturer' and 'Photographic Chemical Manufacturer' -
although these definitions can be quite imprecise.

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I very much doubt that there is any connection with the Cooke at
Tabernacle Street and definitely non with the Cooke lens manufacturers
of York.

Regards

Michael Pritchard
 
2 Elizabeth House
Anglian Close
Watford
Herts WD24 4RA, UK
 
T: [phone] (mobile)
T: [phone] (home)
Web: www.mpritchard.com

-----Original Message-----
From: woodandbrass-bounces@...
[mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of David Silver
Sent: 20 January 2008 23:21
To: woodandbrass@...
Cc: idcc@...
Subject: [W&B] Need help identifying English maker or seller...


Hi gang,

I'm looking at a neat little 1870's, perhaps 1880's transitional,
English wood and brass view camera.  Images may be available later, if
people wish to see it.  In the meantime, the lens and body are marked:

COOKE
126 HOXTON STREET
LONDON

Would this be James M. Cooke?  A different Cooke?  Original manufacture
or re-badge?  I've never seen this label before, and I can't seem to
find any references.  Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

Best wishes,

David Silver--President
International Photographic Historical Organization
E-mail: silver@...  Telephone: [phone]
Webpage location: http://www.well.com/user/silver/

[David Silver]

Hello Michael,

Splendid! Thank you for the information!

Best wishes,

David Silver--President
International Photographic Historical Organization
E-mail: silver@...  Telephone: [phone]
Webpage location: http://www.well.com/user/silver/


On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Michael Pritchard wrote:

> David - Here's some information... I was already passed an enquiry about
> 'J Cooke' from a gentleman who seems to have just bought a camera with
> this name on it and have responded...
>
> ------------
>
> 'J. Cooke' was advertising a variety of photographic goods from the late
> 1850s from his 'Wholesale photographic depot' as 'John Cooke, 63, Hoxton
> Old Town, London, N' where he described himself as a 'Manufacturer of
> chemicals, apparatus, lenses &c. Importer of American, French, and
> German Goods and Maker of Collodions for Negative and Positive Pictures'
> In 1862 he had just published 'Photography Made Easy'.  He would
> probably have commissioned the camera to be made and then badged it with
> his details. He was still advertising in 1875: 'J Cooke, 126, Hoxton
> Street, London, N. Manufacturer of photographic chemicals, etc.. Now
> ready Cooke's new illustrated catalogue of photographic materials'. His
> adverts in the British Journal of Photography and Photographic News
> usually show a stylised sliding box camera.
>
> The London Post Office directories record Cooke as a Photographic
> Materials Dealer from 1863-1880, initially at 63 Hoxton High Street and
> then 126 Hoxton Street from 1867. During this period he was additional
> described as 'Photographic Paper Maker and Dealer', 'Photographic
> Apparatus Manufacturer' and 'Photographic Chemical Manufacturer' -
> although these definitions can be quite imprecise.
>
> -------------
>
> I very much doubt that there is any connection with the Cooke at
> Tabernacle Street and definitely non with the Cooke lens manufacturers
> of York.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael Pritchard
>
> 2 Elizabeth House
> Anglian Close
> Watford
> Herts WD24 4RA, UK
>
> T: [phone] (mobile)
> T: [phone] (home)
> Web: www.mpritchard.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: woodandbrass-bounces@...
> [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of David Silver
> Sent: 20 January 2008 23:21
> To: woodandbrass@...
> Cc: idcc@...
> Subject: [W&B] Need help identifying English maker or seller...
>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> I'm looking at a neat little 1870's, perhaps 1880's transitional,
> English wood and brass view camera.  Images may be available later, if
> people wish to see it.  In the meantime, the lens and body are marked:
>
> COOKE
> 126 HOXTON STREET
> LONDON
>
> Would this be James M. Cooke?  A different Cooke?  Original manufacture
> or re-badge?  I've never seen this label before, and I can't seem to
> find any references.  Any comments would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> David Silver--President
> International Photographic Historical Organization
> E-mail: silver@...  Telephone: [phone]
> Webpage location: http://www.well.com/user/silver/
>
>
>