World of Computing

[jobert9]

Do you guys think that Java is enough for you? Or do you need to study other languages?

For me, not enough, since java has limited APIs. You cannot be stuck for this. Instead, create your own native libraries.

[bernie mantos-2]

Can you explain more which aspect of technology that java is limited to you?
Java alone is enough to me. But that is me. Web apps, web services,
enterprise solutions, Java has everything you need here.

So I would be happy to hear what limitations of java for your needs. Talking
about libraries, are you going to build your own language for that or still
C++ or .net?

Cheers

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:06 AM, jobert_q <jobert_q@...> wrote:

>
>
> Do you guys think that Java is enough for you? Or do you need to study
> other languages?
>
> For me, not enough, since java has limited APIs. You cannot be stuck for
> this. Instead, create your own native libraries.
>
>  
>

[Giancarlo Angulo]

not a knock on you though this may sound like it.

Java probably is in the top 5 of languages with the most libraries, so I
really don't get the API thing, please explain further.
This is one of the main reasons JVM languages are proliferating.
The other being that Java tends to be verbose and less expressive than alot
of other languages.

This is the reason I try to learn new languages and that Java is not enough
for me.


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On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:06 AM, jobert_q <jobert_q@...> wrote:

>
>
> Do you guys think that Java is enough for you? Or do you need to study
> other languages?
>
> For me, not enough, since java has limited APIs. You cannot be stuck for
> this. Instead, create your own native libraries.
>
>  
>

[Rey Bumalay-2]

java is powerful enough but having knowledge with other programming language helps.

for example having knowledge with c/c++ language allows you to properly manage memory usage. "most" (correct me if i'm wrong) java guys don't understand how to properly manage memory usage because they have never worked with pointers.

java is powerful (i think the best language for enterprise applications) but it handles mathematical computation so much slower than c/c++. for applications with create, read, update, delete and some 1+1 or 2+2 java would be just fine.




________________________________
From: Bernie Mantos <bvmantos@...>
To: pinoyjug@...
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:56:13 PM
Subject: Re: [pinoyjug] World of Computing

 
Can you explain more which aspect of technology that java is limited to you? Java alone is enough to me. But that is me. Web apps, web services, enterprise solutions, Java has everything you need here.

So I would be happy to hear what limitations of java for your needs. Talking about libraries, are you going to build your own language for that or still C++ or .net?

Cheers


On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:06 AM, jobert_q <jobert_q@yahoo. com> wrote:

  >
>Do you guys think that Java is enough for you? Or do you need to study other languages?
>
>>For me, not enough, since java has limited APIs. You cannot be stuck for this. Instead, create your own native libraries.
>
>

   


     

[Aldrich Prawira]

As a software developer, I think it is a must that you also learn other languages, java can probably do everything but not as efficiently as other languages.



--- In pinoyjug@..., "jobert_q" <jobert_q@...> wrote:
>
> Do you guys think that Java is enough for you? Or do you need to study other languages?
>
> For me, not enough, since java has limited APIs. You cannot be stuck for this. Instead, create your own native libraries.
>

[Rainier Buccat]

a decent programmer knows (and is good at) at least 10 languages IMHO

Java is good - but not in all cases =w=

(don't get me wrong though .. I had my scwcd last 2 years - and love Java until now)

I have programmed a system tool in Java .. was too slow because it doesn't directly support OS specific functions - in the end I rewrote the program in C++. Pretty much, I should've used C++ in the first place.

- kyourin

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--- On Thu, 8/20/09, stompnoize <stompnoize@...> wrote:

From: stompnoize <stompnoize@...>
Subject: [pinoyjug] Re: World of Computing
To: pinoyjug@...
Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 7:11 PM






 




   
                  As a software developer, I think it is a must that you also learn other languages, java can probably do everything but not as efficiently as other languages.



--- In pinoyjug@yahoogroup s.com, "jobert_q" <jobert_q@.. .> wrote:

>

> Do you guys think that Java is enough for you? Or do you need to study other languages?

>

> For me, not enough, since java has limited APIs. You cannot be stuck for this. Instead, create your own native libraries.

>




 

     

   
   
       
         
       
       








       


       
       


     

[joen]

I too agree that to be successful in this line of work, one must be able to
learn multiple languages, even though you can still remain an expert in 2 or
3 of them.  I have not had a single project where I only had to deal with 1
single language.

We can talk about the "sexy" new languages and debate in the merits of one
over the other.  However, one of the most underrated languages that I
believe is quite important to learn is XML and its related languages XSLT,
XPath and XQuery.  In my 11 years experience in software development, I can
only think of 1 project (it was my first one, a Swing GUI app) I have worked
on that didn't touch some XML.  When you get into it, XSLT/XPath/XQuery can
be very powerful in a lot of situations.

Joen

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rainier Buccat <darkblue778@...>wrote:

>
>
> a decent programmer knows (and is good at) at least 10 languages IMHO
>
> Java is good - but not in all cases =w=
>
> (don't get me wrong though .. I had my scwcd last 2 years - and love Java
> until now)
>
> I have programmed a system tool in Java .. was too slow because it doesn't
> directly support OS specific functions - in the end I rewrote the program in
> C++. Pretty much, I should've used C++ in the first place.
>
> - kyourin
>
> ‰^–½‚ªŽ„‚¾‚¯‚ÌŒˆ‚߂邱‚Æ?B
>
> --- On *Thu, 8/20/09, stompnoize <stompnoize@...>* wrote:
>
>
> From: stompnoize <stompnoize@...>
> Subject: [pinoyjug] Re: World of Computing
> To: pinoyjug@...
> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 7:11 PM
>
>
>
> As a software developer, I think it is a must that you also learn other
> languages, java can probably do everything but not as efficiently as other
> languages.
>
> --- In pinoyjug@yahoogroup s.com<http://mc/compose?to=pinoyjug%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "jobert_q" <jobert_q@.. .> wrote:
> >
> > Do you guys think that Java is enough for you? Or do you need to study
> other languages?
> >
> > For me, not enough, since java has limited APIs. You cannot be stuck for
> this. Instead, create your own native libraries.
> >
>
>
>  
>

[jobert9]

Hmm. Wow. Here's a couple of questions.

Why apple took so long to release there JVM 1.6?
Why IBM created SWT?
Have you ever look under the hood of JVM?

I guess if you found the answers for this questions, that would be my answers. =p


--- In pinoyjug@..., Bernie Mantos <bvmantos@...> wrote:

>
> Can you explain more which aspect of technology that java is limited to you?
> Java alone is enough to me. But that is me. Web apps, web services,
> enterprise solutions, Java has everything you need here.
>
> So I would be happy to hear what limitations of java for your needs. Talking
> about libraries, are you going to build your own language for that or still
> C++ or .net?
>
> Cheers
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:06 AM, jobert_q <jobert_q@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Do you guys think that Java is enough for you? Or do you need to study
> > other languages?
> >
> > For me, not enough, since java has limited APIs. You cannot be stuck for
> > this. Instead, create your own native libraries.
> >
> >  
> >
>

[Arche Type]

This is just my opinion.

Why apple took so long to release there JVM 1.6?
ANS: I am a big follower of Apple Products... I think one of the reason, is they do a QA, Stress testing, Memory analyzing and if it passed (QA passed), that's the time they release it. Also, I think they avoid some bugs promoting. I think this is one of the reason why Apple is better than Windows...

Why IBM created SWT?
ANS: Maybe because IBM has its own purpose. Like screen transformation from Green Screen (CICS) to Desktop Application and convert it to Web UI.

Have you ever look under the hood of JVM?
ANS: Yes, I did and it took me a lot of time to understand and I figure it out what's the core and why Java can't defeat yet Assembler and C in terms of performance (Robust).

Salamat,



________________________________
From: jobert_q <jobert_q@...>
To: pinoyjug@...
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 11:09:58 AM
Subject: [pinoyjug] Re: World of Computing

   
Hmm. Wow. Here's a couple of questions.

Why apple took so long to release there JVM 1.6?
Why IBM created SWT?
Have you ever look under the hood of JVM?

I guess if you found the answers for this questions, that would be my answers. =p

--- In pinoyjug@yahoogroup s.com, Bernie Mantos <bvmantos@.. .> wrote:

>
> Can you explain more which aspect of technology that java is limited to you?
> Java alone is enough to me. But that is me. Web apps, web services,
> enterprise solutions, Java has everything you need here.
>
> So I would be happy to hear what limitations of java for your needs. Talking
> about libraries, are you going to build your own language for that or still
> C++ or .net?
>
> Cheers
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:06 AM, jobert_q <jobert_q@.. .> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Do you guys think that Java is enough for you? Or do you need to study
> > other languages?
> >
> > For me, not enough, since java has limited APIs. You cannot be stuck for
> > this. Instead, create your own native libraries.
> >
> >
> >
>

   


     

[JonT-3]

Jobert_q,
   Java is a mature language now. It is enough if you know how to fully utilize all of its powers: enterprise systems, mobile, etc ...
How can you say it has limited API, did you use all of them already?
And being a seasoned java programmer, you have other options rather than creating your own native libraries.


--- In pinoyjug@..., "stompnoize" <stompnoize@...> wrote:

>
> As a software developer, I think it is a must that you also learn other languages, java can probably do everything but not as efficiently as other languages.
>
>
>
> --- In pinoyjug@..., "jobert_q" <jobert_q@> wrote:
> >
> > Do you guys think that Java is enough for you? Or do you need to study other languages?
> >
> > For me, not enough, since java has limited APIs. You cannot be stuck for this. Instead, create your own native libraries.
> >
>

[JonT-3]

It is obvious that your argument is because of the sandbox of JVM.
I would say you should grow a little bit in terms of perceiving information technology today.
What is the most common community forums today ... ?
Why Microsoft has .NET?
How an application is running on most cellphones today?
How a stock exchange application runs?
Why do you live ... etc ...


--- In pinoyjug@..., "jobert_q" <jobert_q@...> wrote:

>
> Hmm. Wow. Here's a couple of questions.
>
> Why apple took so long to release there JVM 1.6?
> Why IBM created SWT?
> Have you ever look under the hood of JVM?
>
> I guess if you found the answers for this questions, that would be my answers. =p
>
>
> --- In pinoyjug@..., Bernie Mantos <bvmantos@> wrote:
> >
> > Can you explain more which aspect of technology that java is limited to you?
> > Java alone is enough to me. But that is me. Web apps, web services,
> > enterprise solutions, Java has everything you need here.
> >
> > So I would be happy to hear what limitations of java for your needs. Talking
> > about libraries, are you going to build your own language for that or still
> > C++ or .net?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:06 AM, jobert_q <jobert_q@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you guys think that Java is enough for you? Or do you need to study
> > > other languages?
> > >
> > > For me, not enough, since java has limited APIs. You cannot be stuck for
> > > this. Instead, create your own native libraries.
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> >
>

[jobert9]

Yeah. Makes your life easy! Means less and less challenges.

Hmmm. Well, anyone wants an easy life, right?

>> perceiving information technology today.
-- I wonder why SUN convert a lot of their java libraries into native calls.. Makes your life easy! hahaha. =p



--- In pinoyjug@..., "JonT" <jotec@...> wrote:

>
> It is obvious that your argument is because of the sandbox of JVM.
> I would say you should grow a little bit in terms of perceiving information technology today.
> What is the most common community forums today ... ?
> Why Microsoft has .NET?
> How an application is running on most cellphones today?
> How a stock exchange application runs?
> Why do you live ... etc ...
>
>
> --- In pinoyjug@..., "jobert_q" <jobert_q@> wrote:
> >
> > Hmm. Wow. Here's a couple of questions.
> >
> > Why apple took so long to release there JVM 1.6?
> > Why IBM created SWT?
> > Have you ever look under the hood of JVM?
> >
> > I guess if you found the answers for this questions, that would be my answers. =p
> >
> >
> > --- In pinoyjug@..., Bernie Mantos <bvmantos@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Can you explain more which aspect of technology that java is limited to you?
> > > Java alone is enough to me. But that is me. Web apps, web services,
> > > enterprise solutions, Java has everything you need here.
> > >
> > > So I would be happy to hear what limitations of java for your needs. Talking
> > > about libraries, are you going to build your own language for that or still
> > > C++ or .net?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:06 AM, jobert_q <jobert_q@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Do you guys think that Java is enough for you? Or do you need to study
> > > > other languages?
> > > >
> > > > For me, not enough, since java has limited APIs. You cannot be stuck for
> > > > this. Instead, create your own native libraries.
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > >
> >
>