tag:old.nabble.com,2006:forum-830Nabble - Xfce2009-11-23T10:24:27ZXfce is a lightweight desktop environment for various NIX systems. Designed for productivity, it loads and executes applications fast, while conserving system resources. Xfce home is <a href="http://xfce.org/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">here</a>.tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26483415Re: thunar & ristretto segmentation fault on gentoo2009-11-23T10:24:27Z2009-11-23T10:24:27ZMike Massonnet2009/11/23 Arnau Bria <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26483415&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">arnaubria@...</a>>:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi all,
<br>>
<br>> I'm on gentoo with:
<br>>
<br>> [I] media-gfx/ristretto
<br>> Available versions: 0.0.21 ~0.0.22 {debug}
<br>> Installed versions: 0.0.21(05:32:15 PM 04/14/2009)(-debug)
<br>>
<br>> [I] xfce-base/thunar
<br>> Available versions: 1.0.1 [M]~1.0.1-r1 {dbus debug doc exif gnome hal pcre startup-notification test trash-plugin}
<br>> Installed versions: 1.0.1(06:53:20 PM 09/09/2009)(X dbus hal pcre startup-notification trash-plugin -debug -doc -exif -gnome)
<br>>
<br>> and when I try to open a folder with jpg pictures thunar and ristretto
<br>> brokes on seg fault.
<br>> Thunar is able to show thumbnails, but if I move with arrow kwys, it
<br>> brokes. Ristretto is not able to show anything...
<br>>
<br>> Anything has experienced some similar behaivour or know how to debug
<br>> this issue?
</div><br>Rebuild with the new libjpeg? I read that recently on this mailing
<br>(cf. thread "xfdesktop woes") and the problem was solved by rebuilding
<br>old libs/programs that were linked against libjpeg. Gentoo made a
<br>switch from libjpeg.6 to .7 (or something like that). If that doesn't
<br>help, please provide a backtrace with gdb.
<br><br>> TIA,
<br>> Arnau
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<br><br>I'm on gentoo with:
<br><br>[I] media-gfx/ristretto
<br> Available versions: 0.0.21 ~0.0.22 {debug}
<br> Installed versions: 0.0.21(05:32:15 PM 04/14/2009)(-debug)
<br><br>[I] xfce-base/thunar
<br> Available versions: 1.0.1 [M]~1.0.1-r1 {dbus debug doc exif gnome hal pcre startup-notification test trash-plugin}
<br> Installed versions: 1.0.1(06:53:20 PM 09/09/2009)(X dbus hal pcre startup-notification trash-plugin -debug -doc -exif -gnome)
<br><br>and when I try to open a folder with jpg pictures thunar and ristretto
<br>brokes on seg fault.
<br>Thunar is able to show thumbnails, but if I move with arrow kwys, it
<br>brokes. Ristretto is not able to show anything...
<br><br>Anything has experienced some similar behaivour or know how to debug
<br>this issue?
<br><br>TIA,
<br>Arnau
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<br><br>finally I got a valid answer:
<br><br>I am a fellow Gentoo and XFCE user who was experiencing the same issue.
<br>The problem it seems is that Amarok 2 now requires the KDE Global
<br>Shortcut Daemon for global shortcuts to work. This package is not
<br>listed as a dependency of Amarok and will only be installed by default
<br>in a Gentoo environment if you emerge one of the kde-meta packages.
<br><br><br>HTH to someone!
<br><br>Cheers,
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<br>Mike McNally <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26469186&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">emmecinque@...</a>> replied:
<br><br>> Out of idle curiosity, how did you develop this theory that the
<br>> form-feed ASCII control
<br>> character is supposed to clear the window of any and all terminal
<br>> emulators, especially
<br>> in light of the fact that it doesn't?
<br><br>Are you are referring to: printf "\f" clearing the screen? On my PC with
<br>FreeBSD-7.2 installed, that is exactly what it does when issued at a
<br>console. I use it extensively in Bash scripts that I create.
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<br>operations (on the VT-102
<br>at least). The older VT-52 (and other terminals) had a "Home" escape
<br>sequence, but that
<br>site and my very vague memory suggests the VT-102 didn't. Thus you'd
<br>need something
<br>like
<br><br> printf '\033[2J\033[0;0H'
<br><br>I remember feeling at the time how frustrating it was that VT-xxx
<br>escape codes were so
<br>long, because of the response delays that meant when operating at 1200 baud :-)
<br><br>The ESC c sequence does seem to clear the screen and home the cursor, though on
<br>a real terminal that might not be what you'd want because it'd get rid
<br>of other settings
<br>you might want to keep.
<br><br>On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Yves-Alexis Perez <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26466696&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">corsac@...</a>> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On dim., 2009-11-22 at 06:25 -0500, Jerry wrote:
<br>>> Interesting! That occurs here also. However, I did notice that the
<br>>> cursor is not relocated to the top of the screen. It remains at the
<br>>> position it was when the printf '\033[2J' command was issued. Somehow,
<br>>> that does not seem correct either.
<br>>
<br>> Maybe try:
<br>>
<br>> Reset to initial state
<br>> Esc c
<br>> 033 143
<br>>
<br>> Cheers,
<br>> --
<br>> Yves-Alexis
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<br>form-feed ASCII control
<br>character is supposed to clear the window of any and all terminal
<br>emulators, especially
<br>in light of the fact that it doesn't?
<br><br><br>On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Jerry <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26465329&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">gesbbb@...</a>> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:33:08 -0600
<br>> Mike McNally <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26465329&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">emmecinque@...</a>> replied:
<br>>
<br>>> According to
<br>>>
<br>>> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yh8qye9" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yh8qye9</a><br>>>
<br>>> the VT-102 "clear screen" escape sequence is ESC [ 2 J, and indeed
<br>>> when I run
<br>>>
<br>>> printf '\033[2J'
<br>>>
<br>>> on those terminal emulators, the screen clears in each one.
<br>>
<br>> Interesting! That occurs here also. However, I did notice that the
<br>> cursor is not relocated to the top of the screen. It remains at the
<br>> position it was when the printf '\033[2J' command was issued. Somehow,
<br>> that does not seem correct either.
<br>>
<br>> Thanks very much for your feedback. I am in the process of creating a
<br>> bug report now.
<br>>
<br>> --
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<br><br>it looks like the deadline for devroom requests is today.
<br>Unfortunately, I haven't had the time to prepare anything at all. It is
<br>also unclear whether I'll be able to attend this year. University and
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<br>> Interesting! That occurs here also. However, I did notice that the
<br>> cursor is not relocated to the top of the screen. It remains at the
<br>> position it was when the printf '\033[2J' command was issued. Somehow,
<br>> that does not seem correct either.
<br><br>Maybe try:
<br><br>Reset to initial state
<br> Esc c
<br> 033 143
<br><br>Cheers,
<br>--
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<br>Mike McNally <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26464452&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">emmecinque@...</a>> replied:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> According to
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yh8qye9" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yh8qye9</a><br>>
<br>> the VT-102 "clear screen" escape sequence is ESC [ 2 J, and indeed
<br>> when I run
<br>>
<br>> printf '\033[2J'
<br>>
<br>> on those terminal emulators, the screen clears in each one.
</div><br>Interesting! That occurs here also. However, I did notice that the
<br>cursor is not relocated to the top of the screen. It remains at the
<br>position it was when the printf '\033[2J' command was issued. Somehow,
<br>that does not seem correct either.
<br><br>Thanks very much for your feedback. I am in the process of creating a
<br>bug report now.
<br><br>--
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<br>> Out of morbid curiosity, what OS are you using? I have only tried on a
<br>> few other than FreeBSD; however, they all seem to work the same.
<br>> Obviously, that is at the console and not in an "X" session. So far, it
<br>> never works in "X".
<br>>
<br>> As I stated previously, 'clear' causes a problem when used in
<br>> conjunction with CRON. While I can, and have, circumvented the problem,
<br>> I prefer not to have to.
<br><br>The problem here is, "clear" should NOT cause a problem in cron, because
<br>cron is supposed to provide cron jobs with a TERM set to "dumb" or
<br>equivalent, which should cause "clear" to output "\f". So if "clear" is
<br>outputting something else, then I don't think it is a bug in clear, but a
<br>bug or misconfiguration in cron
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<br><br> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yh8qye9" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yh8qye9</a><br><br>the VT-102 "clear screen" escape sequence is ESC [ 2 J, and indeed when I run
<br><br> printf '\033[2J'
<br><br>on those terminal emulators, the screen clears in each one.
<br><br><br>On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Mike McNally <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26461826&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">emmecinque@...</a>> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> I've tried
<br>>
<br>> printf '\f'
<br>>
<br>> in the following terminal emulators:
<br>>
<br>> gnome-terminal
<br>> xfce4-terminal
<br>> xterm
<br>> Eterm
<br>> aterm
<br>> rxvt
<br>> evilvte
<br>>
<br>> In none of them does the screen clearl; they all seem to treat it the
<br>> same way, which is as a form feed. I think that's because that's what
<br>> the VT-102 did.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Jerry <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26461826&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">gesbbb@...</a>> wrote:
<br>>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:13:35 -0600
<br>>> Mike McNally <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26461826&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">emmecinque@...</a>> replied:
<br>>>
<br>>>> I'm running Linux, and yes I was talking about the console, not an X
<br>>>> terminal emulator.
<br>>>>
<br>>>> Note that the only way for "printf" to clear the screen reliably
<br>>>> would be for it to do exactly the same thing that "clear" does. (Key
<br>>>> word there is "reliably.")
<br>>>>
<br>>>> I won't defend the status quo as representing a state of perfection
<br>>>> of course. Back in the 70's the real-world day-to-day problem that
<br>>>> was the ridiculous variation in ASCII terminal capabilities was
<br>>>> insane. At least nowadays the vast majority of "terminals" in use
<br>>>> are xterm (or whatever-term). Still, there are surprisingly many
<br>>>> variations even of that animal (though I suspect that most of them
<br>>>> more-or-less behave like xterm, which itself is mostly like a VT-100
<br>>>> or VT-something, I think).
<br>>>
<br>>> I just received a response from one of the Terminal developers. He
<br>>> wants to know if this behavior is also apparent in vte (and/or
<br>>> gnome-terminal). If you, or anyone else could supply me with a
<br>>> definitive response I would appreciate it. He seems to be inclined to
<br>>> consider this a BUG.
<br>>>
<br>>> --
<br>>> Jerry
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<br>>>
<br>>> now I don't know what to add.
<br>>>
<br>>>
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<br><br> printf '\f'
<br><br>in the following terminal emulators:
<br><br> gnome-terminal
<br> xfce4-terminal
<br> xterm
<br> Eterm
<br> aterm
<br> rxvt
<br> evilvte
<br><br>In none of them does the screen clearl; they all seem to treat it the
<br>same way, which is as a form feed. I think that's because that's what
<br>the VT-102 did.
<br><br><br>On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Jerry <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26461792&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">gesbbb@...</a>> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:13:35 -0600
<br>> Mike McNally <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26461792&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">emmecinque@...</a>> replied:
<br>>
<br>>> I'm running Linux, and yes I was talking about the console, not an X
<br>>> terminal emulator.
<br>>>
<br>>> Note that the only way for "printf" to clear the screen reliably
<br>>> would be for it to do exactly the same thing that "clear" does. (Key
<br>>> word there is "reliably.")
<br>>>
<br>>> I won't defend the status quo as representing a state of perfection
<br>>> of course. Back in the 70's the real-world day-to-day problem that
<br>>> was the ridiculous variation in ASCII terminal capabilities was
<br>>> insane. At least nowadays the vast majority of "terminals" in use
<br>>> are xterm (or whatever-term). Still, there are surprisingly many
<br>>> variations even of that animal (though I suspect that most of them
<br>>> more-or-less behave like xterm, which itself is mostly like a VT-100
<br>>> or VT-something, I think).
<br>>
<br>> I just received a response from one of the Terminal developers. He
<br>> wants to know if this behavior is also apparent in vte (and/or
<br>> gnome-terminal). If you, or anyone else could supply me with a
<br>> definitive response I would appreciate it. He seems to be inclined to
<br>> consider this a BUG.
<br>>
<br>> --
<br>> Jerry
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<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> now I don't know what to add.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Steven Wright
<br>>
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<br>Mike McNally <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26461445&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">emmecinque@...</a>> replied:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> I'm running Linux, and yes I was talking about the console, not an X
<br>> terminal emulator.
<br>>
<br>> Note that the only way for "printf" to clear the screen reliably
<br>> would be for it to do exactly the same thing that "clear" does. (Key
<br>> word there is "reliably.")
<br>>
<br>> I won't defend the status quo as representing a state of perfection
<br>> of course. Back in the 70's the real-world day-to-day problem that
<br>> was the ridiculous variation in ASCII terminal capabilities was
<br>> insane. At least nowadays the vast majority of "terminals" in use
<br>> are xterm (or whatever-term). Still, there are surprisingly many
<br>> variations even of that animal (though I suspect that most of them
<br>> more-or-less behave like xterm, which itself is mostly like a VT-100
<br>> or VT-something, I think).
</div><br>I just received a response from one of the Terminal developers. He
<br>wants to know if this behavior is also apparent in vte (and/or
<br>gnome-terminal). If you, or anyone else could supply me with a
<br>definitive response I would appreciate it. He seems to be inclined to
<br>consider this a BUG.
<br><br>--
<br>Jerry
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:59:33 +0100
<br>> Yves-Alexis Perez <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26461103&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">corsac@...</a>> replied:
<br>>
<br>> > Maybe because it doesn't make sense to clear the screen when running
<br>> > not interactively. I'd add there's no such things as screen, in that
<br>> > case.
<br>>
<br>> True enough. However, there is no way to be sure if an end user will
<br>> use a script that I develop via CRON, in a Terminal like xterm, etc.,
<br>> or at a regular console sans "X". Adding extra code or creating
<br>> multiple
<br>> versions of a script to circumvent this annoyance is an annoyance.
</div></div>That's why there's clear(1) which will do the job for you (if you use
<br>the correct $TERM, I mean)
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<br>emulator.
<br><br>Note that the only way for "printf" to clear the screen reliably would be for
<br>it to do exactly the same thing that "clear" does. (Key word there is
<br>"reliably.")
<br><br>I won't defend the status quo as representing a state of perfection of course.
<br>Back in the 70's the real-world day-to-day problem that was the ridiculous
<br>variation in ASCII terminal capabilities was insane. At least nowadays the
<br>vast majority of "terminals" in use are xterm (or whatever-term). Still, there
<br>are surprisingly many variations even of that animal (though I suspect that
<br>most of them more-or-less behave like xterm, which itself is mostly like a
<br>VT-100 or VT-something, I think).
<br><br>On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Jerry <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26460380&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">gesbbb@...</a>> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:26:44 -0600
<br>> Mike McNally <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26460380&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">emmecinque@...</a>> replied:
<br>>
<br>>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Jerry <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26460380&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">gesbbb@...</a>> wrote:
<br>>> > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:26:09 -0600
<br>>> > Mike McNally <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26460380&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">emmecinque@...</a>> replied:
<br>>> >
<br>>> >
<br>>> >> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Jerry <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26460380&i=4" target="_top" rel="nofollow">gesbbb@...</a>> wrote:
<br>>> >> > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:32:48 +0100
<br>>> >> > Mike Massonnet <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26460380&i=5" target="_top" rel="nofollow">mmassonnet@...</a>> replied:
<br>>> >> >
<br>>> >> >> I tested it on Terminal, Konsole, and finally xterm, none of
<br>>> >> >> those clear the screen. And if xterm isn't doing pretty much
<br>>> >> >> nobody does it.
<br>>> >> >>
<br>>> >> >> Why don't you use `clear'?
<br>>> >> >
<br>>> >> > This would appear to be a "by design" feature; although I cannot
<br>>> >> > fathom why. Using 'clear' is fine as long as the script is not
<br>>> >> > used via CRON. 'Clear' produces strange output with scripts run
<br>>> >> > via CRON. I know that there are ways to program around that;
<br>>> >> > however, it does complicate things. I prefer the "KISS" approach.
<br>>> >> >
<br>>> >> > Although it probably would not make any appreciable difference, I
<br>>> >> > might appeal to the developers to change this behavior.
<br>>> >> >
<br>>> >> There's no truly standard character sequence that clears a terminal
<br>>> >> display, and there never has been. The '\f' code is a "form feed",
<br>>> >> which is a printer control to feed out paper up to the next page
<br>>> >> perforation.
<br>>> >>
<br>>> >> Most "terminal" programs (xterm et al) emulate old DEC VT-100
<br>>> >> terminals, which did not clear the screen in response to a form
<br>>> >> feed character, as far as I know.
<br>>> >
<br>>> > I am not familiar with how it worked historically. I do know that
<br>>> > there is a very real difference between how the printf "\f" command
<br>>> > works at a console and how it works within Terminal, xterm, etc. If
<br>>> > this was Microsoft, I might expect the left hand to be ignorant of
<br>>> > what the right hand is doing. Here, I would expect better.
<br>>> >
<br>>> > The bottom line is that this greatly inhibits my ability to fully
<br>>> > test scripts that I develop.
<br>>
<br>>> Well that's why there's such a thing as the "clear" program: it
<br>>> figures out what sort of terminal you're printing to and what sort of
<br>>> special character sequence will cause the screen to be cleared, and
<br>>> it sends that out.
<br>>>
<br>>> When you're doing standard printing out to any sort of "tty" device in
<br>>> Linux, with any window manager or desktop, the basic facts are the
<br>>> same: the software behaves pretty much exactly the same way it would
<br>>> have behaved 25 years ago when it would have been sending character
<br>>> through an RS-232 device to a *real* VT-100 (or ADM-3A or PE550 or
<br>>> any of the other zillion types of terminals, each with its own
<br>>> proprietary set of control codes).
<br>>>
<br>>> If the console tty emulator interprets the form-feed character to mean
<br>>> that the screen should be cleared, that's great. The problem is that
<br>>> that's just one tty emulator out of many.
<br>>>
<br>>> Also, for what it's worth, using "printf" to echo out a '\f'
<br>>> character doesn't cause my console screen to clear. It seems to be
<br>>> treated like a linefeed character.
<br>>
<br>> Out of morbid curiosity, what OS are you using? I have only tried on a
<br>> few other than FreeBSD; however, they all seem to work the same.
<br>> Obviously, that is at the console and not in an "X" session. So far, it
<br>> never works in "X".
<br>>
<br>> As I stated previously, 'clear' causes a problem when used in
<br>> conjunction with CRON. While I can, and have, circumvented the problem,
<br>> I prefer not to have to.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> --
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<br>Yves-Alexis Perez <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26460190&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">corsac@...</a>> replied:
<br><br>> Maybe because it doesn't make sense to clear the screen when running
<br>> not interactively. I'd add there's no such things as screen, in that
<br>> case.
<br><br>True enough. However, there is no way to be sure if an end user will
<br>use a script that I develop via CRON, in a Terminal like xterm, etc.,
<br>or at a regular console sans "X". Adding extra code or creating multiple
<br>versions of a script to circumvent this annoyance is an annoyance.
<br><br>--
<br>Jerry
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<br>Mike McNally <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26460148&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">emmecinque@...</a>> replied:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Jerry <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26460148&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">gesbbb@...</a>> wrote:
<br>> > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:26:09 -0600
<br>> > Mike McNally <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26460148&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">emmecinque@...</a>> replied:
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Jerry <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26460148&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">gesbbb@...</a>> wrote:
<br>> >> > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:32:48 +0100
<br>> >> > Mike Massonnet <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26460148&i=4" target="_top" rel="nofollow">mmassonnet@...</a>> replied:
<br>> >> >
<br>> >> >> I tested it on Terminal, Konsole, and finally xterm, none of
<br>> >> >> those clear the screen. And if xterm isn't doing pretty much
<br>> >> >> nobody does it.
<br>> >> >>
<br>> >> >> Why don't you use `clear'?
<br>> >> >
<br>> >> > This would appear to be a "by design" feature; although I cannot
<br>> >> > fathom why. Using 'clear' is fine as long as the script is not
<br>> >> > used via CRON. 'Clear' produces strange output with scripts run
<br>> >> > via CRON. I know that there are ways to program around that;
<br>> >> > however, it does complicate things. I prefer the "KISS" approach.
<br>> >> >
<br>> >> > Although it probably would not make any appreciable difference, I
<br>> >> > might appeal to the developers to change this behavior.
<br>> >> >
<br>> >> There's no truly standard character sequence that clears a terminal
<br>> >> display, and there never has been. The '\f' code is a "form feed",
<br>> >> which is a printer control to feed out paper up to the next page
<br>> >> perforation.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Most "terminal" programs (xterm et al) emulate old DEC VT-100
<br>> >> terminals, which did not clear the screen in response to a form
<br>> >> feed character, as far as I know.
<br>> >
<br>> > I am not familiar with how it worked historically. I do know that
<br>> > there is a very real difference between how the printf "\f" command
<br>> > works at a console and how it works within Terminal, xterm, etc. If
<br>> > this was Microsoft, I might expect the left hand to be ignorant of
<br>> > what the right hand is doing. Here, I would expect better.
<br>> >
<br>> > The bottom line is that this greatly inhibits my ability to fully
<br>> > test scripts that I develop.
</div><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Well that's why there's such a thing as the "clear" program: it
<br>> figures out what sort of terminal you're printing to and what sort of
<br>> special character sequence will cause the screen to be cleared, and
<br>> it sends that out.
<br>>
<br>> When you're doing standard printing out to any sort of "tty" device in
<br>> Linux, with any window manager or desktop, the basic facts are the
<br>> same: the software behaves pretty much exactly the same way it would
<br>> have behaved 25 years ago when it would have been sending character
<br>> through an RS-232 device to a *real* VT-100 (or ADM-3A or PE550 or
<br>> any of the other zillion types of terminals, each with its own
<br>> proprietary set of control codes).
<br>>
<br>> If the console tty emulator interprets the form-feed character to mean
<br>> that the screen should be cleared, that's great. The problem is that
<br>> that's just one tty emulator out of many.
<br>>
<br>> Also, for what it's worth, using "printf" to echo out a '\f'
<br>> character doesn't cause my console screen to clear. It seems to be
<br>> treated like a linefeed character.
</div><br>Out of morbid curiosity, what OS are you using? I have only tried on a
<br>few other than FreeBSD; however, they all seem to work the same.
<br>Obviously, that is at the console and not in an "X" session. So far, it
<br>never works in "X".
<br><br>As I stated previously, 'clear' causes a problem when used in
<br>conjunction with CRON. While I can, and have, circumvented the problem,
<br>I prefer not to have to.
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<br>> No, this sounds more like cron is not providing a correct $TERM (which
<br>> should be "dumb" or similar for non-interactive jobs) to its children.
<br>> Maybe setting TERM=dumb in the crontab (if possible) can fix this, or
<br>> maybe running the particular cron job prefixed by TERM=dumb to force
<br>> the correct terminal type.
<br><br>Sorry to follow up on myself. I mean, if the cron job is run with TERM=dumb,
<br>then the "clear" command should just output a \f (or maybe nothing). Which
<br>would mean we can then use the "clear" command.
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<br>> On sam., 2009-11-21 at 12:14 -0500, Jerry wrote:
<br>>> This would appear to be a "by design" feature; although I cannot fathom
<br>>> why. Using 'clear' is fine as long as the script is not used via CRON.
<br>>> 'Clear' produces strange output with scripts run via CRON. I know that
<br>>> there are ways to program around that; however, it does complicate
<br>>> things. I prefer the "KISS" approach.
<br>>
<br>> Maybe because it doesn't make sense to clear the screen when running not
<br>> interactively. I'd add there's no such things as screen, in that case.
<br><br>No, this sounds more like cron is not providing a correct $TERM (which
<br>should be "dumb" or similar for non-interactive jobs) to its children.
<br>Maybe setting TERM=dumb in the crontab (if possible) can fix this, or
<br>maybe running the particular cron job prefixed by TERM=dumb to force
<br>the correct terminal type.
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<br>> This would appear to be a "by design" feature; although I cannot fathom
<br>> why. Using 'clear' is fine as long as the script is not used via CRON.
<br>> 'Clear' produces strange output with scripts run via CRON. I know that
<br>> there are ways to program around that; however, it does complicate
<br>> things. I prefer the "KISS" approach.
<br><br>Maybe because it doesn't make sense to clear the screen when running not
<br>interactively. I'd add there's no such things as screen, in that case.
<br><br>Cheers,
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<br>what sort of terminal you're printing to and what sort of special character
<br>sequence will cause the screen to be cleared, and it sends that out.
<br><br>When you're doing standard printing out to any sort of "tty" device in
<br>Linux, with any window manager or desktop, the basic facts are the same:
<br>the software behaves pretty much exactly the same way it would have
<br>behaved 25 years ago when it would have been sending character
<br>through an RS-232 device to a *real* VT-100 (or ADM-3A or PE550 or
<br>any of the other zillion types of terminals, each with its own proprietary
<br>set of control codes).
<br><br>If the console tty emulator interprets the form-feed character to mean
<br>that the screen should be cleared, that's great. The problem is that that's
<br>just one tty emulator out of many.
<br><br>Also, for what it's worth, using "printf" to echo out a '\f' character doesn't
<br>cause my console screen to clear. It seems to be treated like a linefeed
<br>character.
<br><br><br>On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Jerry <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26459069&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">gesbbb@...</a>> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:26:09 -0600
<br>> Mike McNally <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26459069&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">emmecinque@...</a>> replied:
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Jerry <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26459069&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">gesbbb@...</a>> wrote:
<br>>> > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:32:48 +0100
<br>>> > Mike Massonnet <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26459069&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">mmassonnet@...</a>> replied:
<br>>> >
<br>>> >> I tested it on Terminal, Konsole, and finally xterm, none of those
<br>>> >> clear the screen. And if xterm isn't doing pretty much nobody does
<br>>> >> it.
<br>>> >>
<br>>> >> Why don't you use `clear'?
<br>>> >
<br>>> > This would appear to be a "by design" feature; although I cannot
<br>>> > fathom why. Using 'clear' is fine as long as the script is not used
<br>>> > via CRON. 'Clear' produces strange output with scripts run via
<br>>> > CRON. I know that there are ways to program around that; however,
<br>>> > it does complicate things. I prefer the "KISS" approach.
<br>>> >
<br>>> > Although it probably would not make any appreciable difference, I
<br>>> > might appeal to the developers to change this behavior.
<br>>> >
<br>>> There's no truly standard character sequence that clears a terminal
<br>>> display, and there never has been. The '\f' code is a "form feed",
<br>>> which is a printer control to feed out paper up to the next page
<br>>> perforation.
<br>>>
<br>>> Most "terminal" programs (xterm et al) emulate old DEC VT-100
<br>>> terminals, which did not clear the screen in response to a form feed
<br>>> character, as far as I know.
<br>>
<br>> I am not familiar with how it worked historically. I do know that there
<br>> is a very real difference between how the printf "\f" command works at
<br>> a console and how it works within Terminal, xterm, etc. If this was
<br>> Microsoft, I might expect the left hand to be ignorant of what the
<br>> right hand is doing. Here, I would expect better.
<br>>
<br>> The bottom line is that this greatly inhibits my ability to fully test
<br>> scripts that I develop.
<br>>
<br>> --
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<br>Mike McNally <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26458946&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">emmecinque@...</a>> replied:
<br><br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Jerry <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26458946&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">gesbbb@...</a>> wrote:
<br>> > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:32:48 +0100
<br>> > Mike Massonnet <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26458946&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">mmassonnet@...</a>> replied:
<br>> >
<br>> >> I tested it on Terminal, Konsole, and finally xterm, none of those
<br>> >> clear the screen. And if xterm isn't doing pretty much nobody does
<br>> >> it.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Why don't you use `clear'?
<br>> >
<br>> > This would appear to be a "by design" feature; although I cannot
<br>> > fathom why. Using 'clear' is fine as long as the script is not used
<br>> > via CRON. 'Clear' produces strange output with scripts run via
<br>> > CRON. I know that there are ways to program around that; however,
<br>> > it does complicate things. I prefer the "KISS" approach.
<br>> >
<br>> > Although it probably would not make any appreciable difference, I
<br>> > might appeal to the developers to change this behavior.
<br>> >
<br>> There's no truly standard character sequence that clears a terminal
<br>> display, and there never has been. The '\f' code is a "form feed",
<br>> which is a printer control to feed out paper up to the next page
<br>> perforation.
<br>>
<br>> Most "terminal" programs (xterm et al) emulate old DEC VT-100
<br>> terminals, which did not clear the screen in response to a form feed
<br>> character, as far as I know.
</div><br>I am not familiar with how it worked historically. I do know that there
<br>is a very real difference between how the printf "\f" command works at
<br>a console and how it works within Terminal, xterm, etc. If this was
<br>Microsoft, I might expect the left hand to be ignorant of what the
<br>right hand is doing. Here, I would expect better.
<br><br>The bottom line is that this greatly inhibits my ability to fully test
<br>scripts that I develop.
<br><br>--
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<br>and there never has been. The '\f' code is a "form feed", which is a printer
<br>control to feed out paper up to the next page perforation.
<br><br>Most "terminal" programs (xterm et al) emulate old DEC VT-100 terminals,
<br>which did not clear the screen in response to a form feed character, as
<br>far as I know.
<br><br>On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Jerry <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26458513&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">gesbbb@...</a>> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:32:48 +0100
<br>> Mike Massonnet <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26458513&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">mmassonnet@...</a>> replied:
<br>>
<br>>> I tested it on Terminal, Konsole, and finally xterm, none of those
<br>>> clear the screen. And if xterm isn't doing pretty much nobody does it.
<br>>>
<br>>> Why don't you use `clear'?
<br>>
<br>> This would appear to be a "by design" feature; although I cannot fathom
<br>> why. Using 'clear' is fine as long as the script is not used via CRON.
<br>> 'Clear' produces strange output with scripts run via CRON. I know that
<br>> there are ways to program around that; however, it does complicate
<br>> things. I prefer the "KISS" approach.
<br>>
<br>> Although it probably would not make any appreciable difference, I
<br>> might appeal to the developers to change this behavior.
<br>>
<br>> --
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<br>Mike Massonnet <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26458422&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">mmassonnet@...</a>> replied:
<br><br>> I tested it on Terminal, Konsole, and finally xterm, none of those
<br>> clear the screen. And if xterm isn't doing pretty much nobody does it.
<br>>
<br>> Why don't you use `clear'?
<br><br>This would appear to be a "by design" feature; although I cannot fathom
<br>why. Using 'clear' is fine as long as the script is not used via CRON.
<br>'Clear' produces strange output with scripts run via CRON. I know that
<br>there are ways to program around that; however, it does complicate
<br>things. I prefer the "KISS" approach.
<br><br>Although it probably would not make any appreciable difference, I
<br>might appeal to the developers to change this behavior.
<br><br>--
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> SYSTEM: FreeBSD-7.2
<br>> Xfce 4 Desktop Environment version 4.6.1 (Xfce 4.6)
<br>> GNU bash, version 4.0.35(0)-release (i386-portbld-freebsd7.2)
<br>> Terminal 0.2.12
<br>>
<br>> I am not sure whose problem, currently mine, this is.
<br>>
<br>> I write numerous scripts that I frequently test in an x-terminal. In
<br>> this specific case, Terminal 0.2.12 on my system. When I use the
<br>> 'printf "\f"' command in a script at a regular console, it clears the
<br>> screen as it is suppose to.
</div><br>I tested it on Terminal, Konsole, and finally xterm, none of those
<br>clear the screen. And if xterm isn't doing pretty much nobody does it.
<br><br>Why don't you use `clear'?
<br><br>Regards
<br>Mike
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Under an x-terminal; however, it only
<br>> forces a single line feed. That would be equivalent to using 'printf
<br>> "\n"'.
<br>>
<br>> I am not sure why it is doing this, whether by design, ignorance on my
<br>> part, or a design flaw (bug). In any case, it makes testing scripts
<br>> that I write extremely difficult.
<br>>
<br>> Is there something I can do to correct this behavior, or perhaps
<br>> someone (place) I could report this behavior?
<br>>
<br>> Thanks!
<br>>
<br>> --
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<br><br>I am not sure whose problem, currently mine, this is.
<br><br>I write numerous scripts that I frequently test in an x-terminal. In
<br>this specific case, Terminal 0.2.12 on my system. When I use the
<br>'printf "\f"' command in a script at a regular console, it clears the
<br>screen as it is suppose to. Under an x-terminal; however, it only
<br>forces a single line feed. That would be equivalent to using 'printf
<br>"\n"'.
<br><br>I am not sure why it is doing this, whether by design, ignorance on my
<br>part, or a design flaw (bug). In any case, it makes testing scripts
<br>that I write extremely difficult.
<br><br>Is there something I can do to correct this behavior, or perhaps
<br>someone (place) I could report this behavior?
<br><br>Thanks!
<br><br>--
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<br><br>I find the option under View => Side Pane => Shortcuts and then the
<br>drag'n drop works perfect. Now everything is fine :). The topic is solved.
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> 2009/11/20 Matthias Günther <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26447719&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">m6guma2@...</a>>:
<br>>
<br>>> Hello,
<br>>>
<br>>> I'm new to xubuntu and I quite like it of it simplicity and fast desktop
<br>>> environment. I prefer thunar over nautilus because it's very fast and has
<br>>> just the options which I want but there is some options which I'm missing: I
<br>>> can't create bookmarks to my folders. I read through the documentation on
<br>>> the thunar-project page but didn't find anything about it. Thanks for your
<br>>> help!
<br>>>
<br>>
<br>> just drag the folder to the bookmark pane
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>> Greetings from Germany,
<br>>>
<br>>> Matthias Günther
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<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> 2009/11/20 John Coppens <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26446672&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">john@...</a>>:
<br>> > On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:32:24 -0800
<br>> > Randy Dunlap <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26446672&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">rdunlap@...</a>> wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> >> > For reference, using xfconf-query would have been the better solution,
<br>> >> > but the result would be the same.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> But I can't do that in text mode, before X is running, can I?
<br>> >
<br>> > Actually it _is_ a commandline tool. I didn't know about it. On
<br>> > the other hand, I'm not sure if it's easier. I got to
<br>> >
<br>> > xfconf-query -c displays -p /Default/Screen_0/Resolution
<br>> >
<br>> > which returns 1440x900, but couldn't make from the help how to set a new
<br>> > value (there is no man-page). Maybe just adding it to the line (didn't
<br>> > want to test that).
<br>>
<br>> xfconf-query --help
<br>>
<br>> Either set a new value with -s <VALUE>, or better reset the value
<br>> (delete it) with a simple -r like:
<br>>
<br>> xfconf-query -c displays -p /Default/Screen_0/Resolution -r
<br>>
<br>> > But I had more work finding out how to do the above, than to do a search
<br>> > for 1440 in the .config dir. A slightly more interactive command would be
<br>> > welcome.
<br>>
<br>> I started once a small page, it is very incomplete, but, it sums up a
<br>> little about that tool: <a href="http://wiki.xfce.org/settings4.6" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.xfce.org/settings4.6</a>. There is a
<br>> graphical tool available, xfce4-settings-editor, otherwise.
</div><br>Thanks to everyone (wiki, man page, command lines, etc.).
<br><br>---
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<br>> Hello,
<br>>
<br>> I'm new to xubuntu and I quite like it of it simplicity and fast desktop
<br>> environment. I prefer thunar over nautilus because it's very fast and has
<br>> just the options which I want but there is some options which I'm missing: I
<br>> can't create bookmarks to my folders. I read through the documentation on
<br>> the thunar-project page but didn't find anything about it. Thanks for your
<br>> help!
<br><br>just drag the folder to the bookmark pane
<br><br><br>>
<br>> Greetings from Germany,
<br>>
<br>> Matthias Günther
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<br><br>I'm new to xubuntu and I quite like it of it simplicity and fast desktop
<br>environment. I prefer thunar over nautilus because it's very fast and
<br>has just the options which I want but there is some options which I'm
<br>missing: I can't create bookmarks to my folders. I read through the
<br>documentation on the thunar-project page but didn't find anything about
<br>it. Thanks for your help!
<br><br>Greetings from Germany,
<br><br>Matthias Günther
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<br>> which returns 1440x900, but couldn't make from the help how to set a new
<br>> value (there is no man-page). Maybe just adding it to the line (didn't
<br>> want to test that).
<br>>
<br>I created for Debian users a manpage using help2man. I'm attaching it in
<br>case it can be useful.
<br><br>Cheers,
<br>--
<br>Yves-Alexis
<br><br /><tt>[xfconf-query.1]</tt><br /><hr align="left" width="300" /><tt>.\" DO NOT MODIFY THIS FILE! It was generated by help2man 1.36.
<br>.TH XFCONF-QUERY "1" "November 2009" "xfconf-query 4.6.1" "User Commands"
<br>.SH NAME
<br>xfconf-query \- Command line utility for xfconf system
<br>.SH DESCRIPTION
<br>.SS "Usage:"
<br>.IP
<br>xfconf\-query [OPTION...] \- xfconf commandline utility
<br>.SS "Help Options:"
<br>.TP
<br>\fB\-h\fR, \fB\-\-help\fR
<br>Show help options
<br>.SS "Application Options:"
<br>.TP
<br>\fB\-V\fR, \fB\-\-version\fR
<br>Version information
<br>.TP
<br>\fB\-c\fR, \fB\-\-channel\fR
<br>The channel to query/modify
<br>.TP
<br>\fB\-p\fR, \fB\-\-property\fR
<br>The property to query/modify
<br>.TP
<br>\fB\-s\fR, \fB\-\-set\fR
<br>The new value to set for the property
<br>.TP
<br>\fB\-l\fR, \fB\-\-list\fR
<br>List properties (or channels if \fB\-c\fR is not specified)
<br>.TP
<br>\fB\-v\fR, \fB\-\-verbose\fR
<br>Verbose output
<br>.TP
<br>\fB\-n\fR, \fB\-\-create\fR
<br>Create a new property if it does not already exist
<br>.TP
<br>\fB\-t\fR, \fB\-\-type\fR
<br>Specify the property value type
<br>.TP
<br>\fB\-r\fR, \fB\-\-reset\fR
<br>Reset property
<br>.TP
<br>\fB\-R\fR, \fB\-\-recursive\fR
<br>Recursive (use with \fB\-r\fR)
<br>.TP
<br>\fB\-a\fR, \fB\-\-force\-array\fR
<br>Force array even if only one element
<br>.TP
<br>\fB\-m\fR, \fB\-\-monitor\fR
<br>Monitor a channel for property changes
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:32:24 -0800
<br>> Randy Dunlap <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26439027&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">rdunlap@...</a>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>>> > For reference, using xfconf-query would have been the better solution,
<br>>> > but the result would be the same.
<br>>>
<br>>> But I can't do that in text mode, before X is running, can I?
<br>>
<br>> Actually it _is_ a commandline tool. I didn't know about it. On
<br>> the other hand, I'm not sure if it's easier. I got to
<br>>
<br>> xfconf-query -c displays -p /Default/Screen_0/Resolution
<br>>
<br>> which returns 1440x900, but couldn't make from the help how to set a new
<br>> value (there is no man-page). Maybe just adding it to the line (didn't
<br>> want to test that).
</div><br>xfconf-query --help
<br><br>Either set a new value with -s <VALUE>, or better reset the value
<br>(delete it) with a simple -r like:
<br><br> xfconf-query -c displays -p /Default/Screen_0/Resolution -r
<br><br>> But I had more work finding out how to do the above, than to do a search
<br>> for 1440 in the .config dir. A slightly more interactive command would be
<br>> welcome.
<br><br>I started once a small page, it is very incomplete, but, it sums up a
<br>little about that tool: <a href="http://wiki.xfce.org/settings4.6" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.xfce.org/settings4.6</a>. There is a
<br>graphical tool available, xfce4-settings-editor, otherwise.
<br><br>> John
<br><br><br>--
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<br>"Brian J. Tarricone" <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26437977&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">brian@...</a>> wrote:
<br><br>> No, that's not entirely the best design, but... well, it is what it is.
<br><br>Hi Brian.
<br><br>Oh ok... Maybe it would be nice to have the --help point out that it
<br>relies on the dbus session (and will spawn one if required to)? Or even
<br>show a warning if no session is active? I really have little idea on how
<br>bad things can get there...
<br><br>John
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