Yet another beta Flash pano player

[Thomas Rauscher-3]

Hello,

I played a "little" bit with Flash 8... and here you can see the
outcome: http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample_flash.php

Pano:
- Minimum requirements: Flash 8
- Window size: 600x420
- Pano: 6 tiles with 1000x1000

Object:
- Minimal configuration: Flash 6
- Window size: 256x256
- 312 pre-rendered images

MfG,
     Thomas.








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[Peter Nyfeler]

Thomas you rock !!!!!!!

unbelievable!!!!

When will this be implemented in pano2qtvr?

Best regards

Peter




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[Carel]

That is great Thomas! I have never seen a flash based viewer that displays at 600x420 and there is also no vertical banding as with some of the other flash viewers. Any plans to integrate this in Pano2QTVR?

Thomas Rauscher-3 wrote:

Hello,

I played a "little" bit with Flash 8... and here you can see the
outcome: http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample_flash.php

Pano:
- Minimum requirements: Flash 8
- Window size: 600x420
- Pano: 6 tiles with 1000x1000

Object:
- Minimal configuration: Flash 6
- Window size: 256x256
- 312 pre-rendered images

MfG,
     Thomas.








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[Thomas Rauscher-3]

Hello Peter,

on Sunday, August 13, 2006, 19:37:04 you wrote:

PN> Thomas you rock !!!!!!!
PN> unbelievable!!!!

Thx!

PN> When will this be implemented in pano2qtvr?

Good question. There are still some problems to be solved for an
automated generation and I am not sure in which form I will distribute
the player. Currently these are technical demos to get some
feedback.

MfG,
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[aznemeng]

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., Thomas Rauscher <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> I played a "little" bit with Flash 8... and here you can see the
> outcome: http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample_flash.php
>
> Pano:
> - Minimum requirements: Flash 8
> - Window size: 600x420
> - Pano: 6 tiles with 1000x1000


Nice, but it's very slow & unresponsive on my dual-G4 (jerks while
panning).

:?(

IMO the "cubicvr.popforge.de" Flash 9 player was much smoother.  Now
if only we could find out what happened to it...


Regds - Andrew N.
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[Thomas Rauscher-3]

Hello Andrew,

on Sunday, August 13, 2006, 22:23:28 you wrote:

>> I played a "little" bit with Flash 8... and here you can see the
>> outcome: http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample_flash.php
>>
>> Pano:
>> - Minimum requirements: Flash 8
>> - Window size: 600x420
>> - Pano: 6 tiles with 1000x1000

a> Nice, but it's very slow & unresponsive on my dual-G4 (jerks while
a> panning).

a> :?(

a> IMO the "cubicvr.popforge.de" Flash 9 player was much smoother.  Now
a> if only we could find out what happened to it...

Yes, the demo was fast and smooth but his window was only 384x240...
If you run my player with that size it looks like this:
http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample_flash.php?demo=pano_s

He used a line by line rendering algorithm so he had no distortions
but his algorithm does not scale very good while with my approach it
is also possible to make even bigger panos... like (720x480)
http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample/flash_pano.html

MfG,
     Thomas.









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[Torsten Hemke]

Andrew,

We have seen the Flash8!-Player before at Immervision last year and the
list can't use it.
Over weekend present Thomas us a new Flash8!-Player. It's great. I'm so
happy.
On my 2 GHz PC it is very fast, the big version too.

A lot of thanks to Thomas.  

Torsten

aznemeng schrieb:

> --- In PanoToolsNG@...
> <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>, Thomas Rauscher <yahoo@...> wrote:
> >
> > I played a "little" bit with Flash 8... and here you can see the
> > outcome: http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample_flash.php 
> <http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample_flash.php>
> >
> > Pano:
> > - Minimum requirements: Flash 8
> > - Window size: 600x420
> > - Pano: 6 tiles with 1000x1000
>
> Nice, but it's very slow & unresponsive on my dual-G4 (jerks while
> panning).
>
> :?(
>
> IMO the "cubicvr.popforge.de" Flash 9 player was much smoother. Now
> if only we could find out what happened to it...
>
> Regds - Andrew N.
> nemeng.com
>
>  

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[fierodeval]

Hi Thomas,

Nice work! :-)

I can see a some distortions, Which 3D object do you use to project
the images? Maybe a cube? If it's true, you can try to use a sphere.
Flash8 uses an image deformation method without perspective correction
. With a sphere all polygons in the panorama are always perpendicular
to the camera, and distortions are very small.

In the future, maybe you can save a SWF file directly from pano2qtvr.
In Adobe site you can find a PDF document about SWF format.

best regards
fiero








--- In PanoToolsNG@..., Thomas Rauscher <yahoo@...> wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I played a "little" bit with Flash 8... and here you can see the
> outcome: http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample_flash.php
>
> Pano:
> - Minimum requirements: Flash 8
> - Window size: 600x420
> - Pano: 6 tiles with 1000x1000
>
> Object:
> - Minimal configuration: Flash 6
> - Window size: 256x256
> - 312 pre-rendered images
>
> MfG,
>      Thomas.
>

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[aznemeng]

--- In PanoToolsNG@..., Thomas Rauscher <yahoo@...> wrote:

> Yes, the demo was fast and smooth but his window was only 384x240...
> If you run my player with that size it looks like this:
> http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample_flash.php?demo=pano_s
>
> He used a line by line rendering algorithm so he had no distortions
> but his algorithm does not scale very good while with my approach it
> is also possible to make even bigger panos... like (720x480)
> http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample/flash_pano.html


Hello Thomas - your smaller size player sample is indeed much smoother
and responsive.  Good Work!

Pity about the (sometimes fairly signficant) distortion during
playback though...

FWIW my take on these things is this - use Flash to display a quickie
cubic pano and then have a link to the mature full-screen player of
your choice (QTVR, Pangea VR, Dealvr etc.)


Regds - Andrew N.
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[Aaron Spence]

Hi Thomas,

Great work again.  (Pano2QTVR is a massive time saver in my workflow,
and produces fantastic quality.)

I'm with Andrew on this one, the small Flash cubic VR is where it's
at.  They would be perfect for a preview at 100k or less, and up to a
maximum window of about 400px wide.  If you can improve the output a
little for the small panos (ie not such a jump in quality between
still and moving etc) then you're on a winner.  Where can I pays my money?

Oh, and as I've also mentioned before, the output pano file needs to
be simple, a single .swf is the ultimate in simplicity if possible :)

Thanks,

Aaron.







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[Roger D. Williams]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 05:58:08 +0900, Thomas Rauscher  
<yahoo@...> wrote:

> a> IMO the "cubicvr.popforge.de" Flash 9 player was much smoother.  Now
> a> if only we could find out what happened to it...
>
> Yes, the demo was fast and smooth but his window was only 384x240...
> If you run my player with that size it looks like this:
> http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample_flash.php?demo=pano_s
>
> He used a line by line rendering algorithm so he had no distortions
> but his algorithm does not scale very good while with my approach it
> is also possible to make even bigger panos... like (720x480)
> http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample/flash_pano.html

Thomas, I greatly appreciate your work, and thought I would let you
know that Opera 9 freezes after I have tried the usual CTRL or SHFT
+ ENTR for zooming the image. This was true for both large and
small images. However, a major first step.

Roger W.

PS I will be free to help my translator work on the Japanese for
pano2qtvr after the end of August. His novella will be finished
then too. Apologies for this delay...

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[Nick Crossland (Panoptics)]

very nice! Is the distortion of the bench due to the viewer mangling the
image, or just stitching error?



On 13/08/06, Thomas Rauscher <yahoo@...> wrote:

>
>   Hello,
>
> I played a "little" bit with Flash 8... and here you can see the
> outcome: http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample_flash.php
>
> Pano:
> - Minimum requirements: Flash 8
> - Window size: 600x420
> - Pano: 6 tiles with 1000x1000
>
> Object:
> - Minimal configuration: Flash 6
> - Window size: 256x256
> - 312 pre-rendered images
>
> MfG,
> Thomas.
>
>  
>

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[Claudio Lanconelli]

Bravo Thomas!!!
It's fantastic, a great job!
It's only a little jerky on my old iBook (g3 700Mhz 10.3.9) but all is  
good.

Claudio




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[Michael Asgian]

Thomas, are you gonna integrate a Flash Output in the Pano2qtvr ... or better a Pano2Flash software?

Or you just messing with the idea for a proof of concept?



Thomas Rauscher <yahoo@...> wrote:                                  Hello Andrew,
 
 on Sunday, August 13, 2006, 22:23:28 you wrote:
 
 >> I played a "little" bit with Flash 8... and here you can see the
 >> outcome: http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample_flash.php
 >>
 >> Pano:
 >> - Minimum requirements: Flash 8
 >> - Window size: 600x420
 >> - Pano: 6 tiles with 1000x1000
 
 a> Nice, but it's very slow & unresponsive on my dual-G4 (jerks while
 a> panning).
 
 a> :?(
 
 a> IMO the "cubicvr.popforge.de" Flash 9 player was much smoother.  Now
 a> if only we could find out what happened to it...
 
 Yes, the demo was fast and smooth but his window was only 384x240...
 If you run my player with that size it looks like this:
 http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample_flash.php?demo=pano_s
 
 He used a line by line rendering algorithm so he had no distortions
 but his algorithm does not scale very good while with my approach it
 is also possible to make even bigger panos... like (720x480)
 http://www.pano2qtvr.com/sample/flash_pano.html
 
 MfG,
      Thomas.
 
 
     
                       

 
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[Thomas Rauscher-3]

Hello Michael,

on Sunday, August 20, 2006, 03:51:12 you wrote:

MA> Thomas, are you gonna integrate a Flash Output in the Pano2qtvr
MA> ... or better a Pano2Flash software?

Yes! I plan to integrate it into my software, and currently I am
working on the first beta version.

MfG,
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[Thomas Rauscher-3]

Hello Fiero,

sorry, took a while to answer but I wanted to check some things... ;)

on Monday, August 14, 2006, 01:50:00 you wrote:

f> Nice work! :-)

Thx!

f> I can see a some distortions, Which 3D object do you use to project
f> the images? Maybe a cube?

Yes I use a cube.

f> If it's true, you can try to use a sphere. Flash8 uses an image
f> deformation method without perspective correction. With a sphere
f> all polygons in the panorama are always perpendicular to the
f> camera, and distortions are very small.

I played around with that idea, but it doesn't help that much because
the problems are at the corners and this would also happen with a
sphere and the calculations are much more complicated than simple
using a finer grid.

f> In the future, maybe you can save a SWF file directly from pano2qtvr.
f> In Adobe site you can find a PDF document about SWF format.

I have read it and currently I am able to write SWF files by myself. I
guess a new Pano2QTVR version is close...

MfG,
     Thomas.









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