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	Re: about the garden by wg2002a :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Oops, corrected the subject line. > > Electronica, and if RG did not exist, I would probably be > left without ANY solution. After buying my MIDI keyboard, > things improved dramatically. But I don' think that should > prohibit me from criticizing the software... > Go ahead, use whatever you want. You have your choices, bitch and moan, with that kind of bitching, you already know what you will get in return. Or, there are many choices you can choose, some of which may be: 1) If you use Linux, go back to pay for Windows, and use whatever you think is good, or better than RG. If those are freeware, great. If those are nag-ware, put up or pay up. If those are payware, put up and see if bitching and moaning to them would make their software any more useful to you. I have seen many commercial crapwares out there (not just for music) that the opensource crap code is still much better than what I had do deal with those commercial (crap) apps. 2) Find something better, anything. Use it and forget RG. 3) Fix it, it is open source. If you can't read code or write code... Forget it!!! 4) Roll your own. Write your own software, let's see if you can do any better. If you can't write code... Forget it!!! 5) Pay someone enough so they can write the software to your liking. Hope you have enough dough, software developers don't work for peanuts. 6) ... 7) ... 8) ... 9) ... Fill in the blanks for more choices. I won't mention some more obvious options (which may or may not work out) that seem to be beyond your reasoning at the moment. Of course, all the options above may not work out at all. No software is perfect, I'm pretty sure of that. Jimmy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects _______________________________________________ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@... - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
	Re: about the garden by Brian Clem :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message I would like to carry on with Jimmy's earlier thought... 6)... * I have spent almost $1000 on different Finale programs and their upgrades before I found RG in late 2006 * $ 1,000. * Buy windowz 7 or some variant of windozes * $ 400. * No manners - INCLUDED * $ na $ Way too much * Treat people with respect and realize the world does not revolve around you * PRICELESS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org _______________________________________________ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@... - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
	Re: about the garden by David Tisdell :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi Jan, I hope this view of Rosegarden helps with understanding some of its behaviors. "does anyone think that the segment system (with the drama that comes from not being able to extend segments from within the notation editor) is a good idea?" The segment idea took some getting used to for me when I first started. Until I started with Rosegarden, most of my music work was with notation editors like Sibelius, Composer's Mosaic, and Finale. Rosegarden is a sequencer first and not a notation editor first. Would I like to see a little more flexibility in the notation editor? Sure. Rosegarden does something that no other program on any platform does that I am aware of. It is a swiss army knife. It does sequencing, notation and digital audio. In order to provide all of these features, there are tradeoffs. The notation editor isn't as full featured as a dedicated notation editor. The same is true of the digital audio components and sequencer. That being said. RG is an amazing piece of software which has allowed me to accomplish many things that I couldn't do on a commercial platform because I couldn't afford to but separate notation, sequencing and digital audio programs. I use RG to teach composition to middle school students. I find that many pieces of software have a learning curve. RG has its curve. I still discover how to do things that I wasn't aware of. This list has been one of the most valuable places I have come to for help. People tend to be very supportive and respond quickly. I have gotten many answers here including some that weren't specific to RG at all; just doing electronic music in general. In fact, I think this is the best list I have ever used. Hopefully, by understanding that RG is a swiss army knife and not dedicated to one task (like notation), that will let you grasp some of the quirks. Whenever I have trouble in the notation editor, I remind myself that RG is a sequencer first and then I ask myself how would what I want to accomplish be done in a sequencer? The online documentation is pretty good. You may need to sift through it some. There will be things there that you already understand but there will also be things that you don't. I actually bought the book. I found it helpful to have print in front of me while I was working in the program rather than trying to flip back and forth on the computer screen. I hope this helps. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org _______________________________________________ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@... - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
	Re: about the garden by Jan Smith-3 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Some parts of this message have been removed. Learn more about Nabble's security policy. David, I agree that Rosegarden is quite good (and I understand your perspective discussion -- OK, there are some trade-offs that impact funtionality). I am not denying any of that. I just think that, since this is a collaborative effort, criticism will help. It would be very unfortunate if one could only sing praises to Rosegarden, or else be banned from the list (which, unfortunately, some people seem to desire -- NOT the devs). Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:11:47 -0400 From: david.tisdell@... To: rosegarden-user@... Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] about the garden Hi Jan, I hope this view of Rosegarden helps with understanding some of its behaviors. "does anyone think that the segment system (with the drama that comes from not being able to extend segments from within the notation editor) is a good idea?" The segment idea took some getting used to for me when I first started. Until I started with Rosegarden, most of my music work was with notation editors like Sibelius, Composer's Mosaic, and Finale. Rosegarden is a sequencer first and not a notation editor first. Would I like to see a little more flexibility in the notation editor? Sure. Rosegarden does something that no other program on any platform does that I am aware of. It is a swiss army knife. It does sequencing, notation and digital audio. In order to provide all of these features, there are tradeoffs. The notation editor isn't as full featured as a dedicated notation editor. The same is true of the digital audio components and sequencer. That being said. RG is an amazing piece of software which has allowed me to accomplish many things that I couldn't do on a commercial platform because I couldn't afford to but separate notation, sequencing and digital audio programs. I use RG to teach composition to middle school students. I find that many pieces of software have a learning curve. RG has its curve. I still discover how to do things that I wasn't aware of. This list has been one of the most valuable places I have come to for help. People tend to be very supportive and respond quickly. I have gotten many answers here including some that weren't specific to RG at all; just doing electronic music in general. In fact, I think this is the best list I have ever used. Hopefully, by understanding that RG is a swiss army knife and not dedicated to one task (like notation), that will let you grasp some of the quirks. Whenever I have trouble in the notation editor, I remind myself that RG is a sequencer first and then I ask myself how would what I want to accomplish be done in a sequencer? The online documentation is pretty good. You may need to sift through it some. There will be things there that you already understand but there will also be things that you don't. I actually bought the book. I found it helpful to have print in front of me while I was working in the program rather than trying to flip back and forth on the computer screen. I hope this helps. Dave Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@... - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
	Re: about the garden by wg2002a :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message > Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:51:12 -0700 > From: Jan Smith <selfclone@...> > > David, I agree that Rosegarden is quite good (and I > understand your perspective discussion -- OK, there are some > trade-offs that impact funtionality). I am not denying any > of that. I just think that, since this is a collaborative > effort, criticism will help. It would be very unfortunate if > one could only sing praises to Rosegarden, or else be banned > from the list (which, unfortunately, some people seem to > desire -- NOT the devs). > I don't think you know much about Opensource culture. I have use numerous Opensource software for quite a few years. Let me share my perspective. The people who originally develope software give out the code were mostly University/College researchers and students doing work on Unix. They were pioneers in their field, wanting to use computers to help with tedious computation, or countless experiments with varying parameters. There were either no software to do what they want. Or, super expensive software at the time that they and their departments could not afford. So they had to develope their own software, some don't know how to do something and ask for help from others. What they get sometiems are code examples for the extra things they didn't know how to do. Being conciencous in their research, they do attribute the code snippets to the people they inherited the code from, they may also get request for their code as they publish their research findings. They often request permission from oritinal authors if most of the code is from other people. That's where "opensource" comes from, including Public Domain, BSD, MIT/X... As some cheaters took some other people's code and pretended those were their own, or won't allow others (including original authors) to get the changed code, GNU Public License (GPL) was born to require open-access to all code derived from GPL (check legal definition from GPL). BSD, MIT/X, MIT Artistic... are the old-school style. RG itself uses many software libraries from other "opensource" projects, too. GPL license require all codes to be made available including your own application code if you "distribute" the application. Other opensource license generally only require changes to the "opensource" portion to be made available. As people use and appreciate "opensource" software, they feel the urge to give back, that's how new opensource projects are born these days. Original code authors sometimes move on to other pursues and can't make time to fix problem or add new features to their opensource projects. Others may take over the maintenance of such project, but new maintainers may not understand all the code as intimately as the original author, or the how or why it was written certain way. Many opensource projects may just wither and go away, commercial apps can't avoid the same faith, either. Sometimes, new feature request may require horrendous overhaul of code. Those are when the developers have to decide to ignore such request, or may have to do major code rewrite, depends on how much time and efforts they can commit to it. Criticism is one thing, there are many ways to do it. Your demeanor and sense of entitlement in your tone of expression is a huge turn off, in case you still are clueless as to why many people on the mailing list give you nasty words. The "altruistic" nature of the opensource developer is just that they will give what they already have for free and ask for practically nothing in return. They don't have to commit their lives to fixes, or feature requests from you or anyone else. Although they often do out of a sense of pride, don't mistake that for obligations on their part. If you don't know how something is done, ask nicely. Maybe someone can help you get it done somehow, maybe even with other softwares. May not be the way you think it should be done to your liking, but just getting it done. Opensource developers are not miracle workers, to grant you every things you want, and why hasn't it been done already, you want it right now. Jimmy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@... - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
	Re: about the garden by Brian Clem :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Jimmy, I tried Sidux and your suggentions for setting up the RT kernel. Now I can not get a single xrun. Nothing. I run a bunch of jack apps while rosegarden is working and no xruns. Freaking crazy!! Thanks for the advise. Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@... - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user

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