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by ElectronJockey :: Rate this Message:

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I just started using Evolution 2.28.1.
Messages I receive from Monster.com come as
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
The subject is utf-8 encoded also and is interpreted properly, but the
body is interpreted as "attachment.dat", and when I view the source the
body appears as gibberish (presumable binary). If I hit reply I can read
the message.
I've googled with no success. It doesn't appear to be related to tnef,
as I have that plugin installed. My thinking now is that spamassasin or
bogofilter, so I've temporary disabled those plugins but I haven't
received a message yet to verify.
Anyone experience this or have any ideas?


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Re: attachment.dat

by ElectronJockey :: Rate this Message:

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I forgot to mention I have the Mail Preferences > HTML Messages > Plain
Text Mode to "Only ever show PLAIN".

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Hicks <electronjockey@...>
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Subject: [Evolution] attachment.dat
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:59:15 -0500
Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1

I just started using Evolution 2.28.1.
Messages I receive from Monster.com come as
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
The subject is utf-8 encoded also and is interpreted properly, but the
body is interpreted as "attachment.dat", and when I view the source the
body appears as gibberish (presumable binary). If I hit reply I can read
the message.
I've googled with no success. It doesn't appear to be related to tnef,
as I have that plugin installed. My thinking now is that spamassasin or
bogofilter, so I've temporary disabled those plugins but I haven't
received a message yet to verify.
Anyone experience this or have any ideas?


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Re: attachment.dat

by Peter N. Spotts :: Rate this Message:

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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:59:15 -0500
Todd Hicks <electronjockey@...> wrote:

> I just started using Evolution 2.28.1.
> Messages I receive from Monster.com come as
> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
> The subject is utf-8 encoded also and is interpreted properly, but the
> body is interpreted as "attachment.dat", and when I view the source
> the body appears as gibberish (presumable binary). If I hit reply I
> can read the message.
> I've googled with no success. It doesn't appear to be related to tnef,
> as I have that plugin installed. My thinking now is that spamassasin
> or bogofilter, so I've temporary disabled those plugins but I haven't
> received a message yet to verify.
> Anyone experience this or have any ideas?
>

Try this for converting the *.dat file to something readable:

http://www.winmaildat.com/

With best regards,

Pete


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Re: attachment.dat

by ElectronJockey :: Rate this Message:

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Thanks, but I can open the attachment.dat file in gedit and it's plain
html. So that tool wasn't able to extract anything.
I can also, and most significantly, read the message when I reply but
not in the preview. So how is it that the reply can extract the plain
text from the HTML message, but the reading pane cannot?
For some reason it appears at though the message body is being turned
into the attachment by Evolution.
I just received another message in Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1" that also displays as "attachment.dat" which I can
also read in a reply. When I view the message source though it is
readable HTML, unlike the UTF-8 message which, as I mentioned, is
getting "binaried".


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter N. Spotts <pspotts@...>
To: evolution-list@...
Cc: electronjockey@...
Subject: Re: [Evolution] attachment.dat
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:15:17 -0500
Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.18.3; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:59:15 -0500
Todd Hicks <electronjockey@...> wrote:

> I just started using Evolution 2.28.1.
> Messages I receive from Monster.com come as
> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
> The subject is utf-8 encoded also and is interpreted properly, but the
> body is interpreted as "attachment.dat", and when I view the source
> the body appears as gibberish (presumable binary). If I hit reply I
> can read the message.
> I've googled with no success. It doesn't appear to be related to tnef,
> as I have that plugin installed. My thinking now is that spamassasin
> or bogofilter, so I've temporary disabled those plugins but I haven't
> received a message yet to verify.
> Anyone experience this or have any ideas?
>

Try this for converting the *.dat file to something readable:

http://www.winmaildat.com/

With best regards,

Pete



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Re: attachment.dat

by Patryk Benderz :: Rate this Message:

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[cut]
> Anyone experience this or have any ideas?
I have experienced similar problem. One of my users is using
outlook2003, and keeps sending messages to _some_ of his recipients in
winmail.dat attachement.
Solution was to set in outlook, message format deeeeply in address book
from "RTF" to "plain text". I had to do it manually for each contact in
address book. Setting this in main outlook properties didn't help.
In my case this was outlook's fault.


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Re: attachment.dat

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On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 09:06 -0500, Todd Hicks wrote:
> I forgot to mention I have the Mail Preferences > HTML Messages >
> Plain Text Mode to "Only ever show PLAIN".

        Hi,
yes, that's doing it. It couldn't find the text/plain part, and hidden
your text/html part (the only part being in the mail) as an attachment.
By the way, the name should be attachment.html (not .dat), if I recall
correctly, and it should be expandable inline in the preview pane.

Alternatively, you can set the middle option, the "Prefer PLAIN".

Anyway, what you described sounds pretty same as
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470291
        Bye,
        Milan

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Re: attachment.dat

by ElectronJockey :: Rate this Message:

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The attachment name is definitely "attachment.dat". This seems to be the
case when Content-Type: text/html.
On the other hand, when Content-Type: multipart/alternative there is an
attachment (containing the html portion) named "attachment.html", while
the text portion is viewable in the reading pane. Which is more or less
what I'd expect. In this case, as with the message which was
Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1", the HTML portion of the
message is readable when viewing source.



-----Original Message-----
From: Milan Crha <mcrha@...>
To: evolution-list@...
Subject: Re: [Evolution] attachment.dat
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:50:49 +0100

On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 09:06 -0500, Todd Hicks wrote:
> I forgot to mention I have the Mail Preferences > HTML Messages >
> Plain Text Mode to "Only ever show PLAIN".

        Hi,
yes, that's doing it. It couldn't find the text/plain part, and hidden
your text/html part (the only part being in the mail) as an attachment.
By the way, the name should be attachment.html (not .dat), if I recall
correctly, and it should be expandable inline in the preview pane.

Alternatively, you can set the middle option, the "Prefer PLAIN".

Anyway, what you described sounds pretty same as
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470291
        Bye,
        Milan

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Re: attachment.dat

by ElectronJockey :: Rate this Message:

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But why then, when I reply to the message can I read the original even
though I'm composing plain text? Seems like, whatever code handles the
reply is parsing the text from the HTML source. Why doesn't/can't the
reading pane do this?

-----Original Message-----
From: Milan Crha <mcrha@...>
To: evolution-list@...
Subject: Re: [Evolution] attachment.dat
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:50:49 +0100

On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 09:06 -0500, Todd Hicks wrote:
> I forgot to mention I have the Mail Preferences > HTML Messages >
> Plain Text Mode to "Only ever show PLAIN".

        Hi,
yes, that's doing it. It couldn't find the text/plain part, and hidden
your text/html part (the only part being in the mail) as an attachment.
By the way, the name should be attachment.html (not .dat), if I recall
correctly, and it should be expandable inline in the preview pane.

Alternatively, you can set the middle option, the "Prefer PLAIN".

Anyway, what you described sounds pretty same as
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470291
        Bye,
        Milan

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Re: attachment.dat

by Milan Crha :: Rate this Message:

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On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 10:44 -0500, ElectronJockey wrote:
> But why then, when I reply to the message can I read the original even
> though I'm composing plain text? Seems like, whatever code handles the
> reply is parsing the text from the HTML source. Why doesn't/can't the
> reading pane do this?

Did you read the bug I gave a link to? Specifically in this comment
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470291#c8
is a little explanation what is causing that.

Maybe you didn't get it from my initial posting, so once again: you
instructed Prefer-plain plugin to not show you any text/html part, so it
does that. Not the best way of doing it, hence the fix in the above bug.
You can let it work more properly when you change the prefer-plain
option to the "Prefer PLAIN" even without the fix, on the same place as
you read:

> I forgot to mention I have the Mail Preferences > HTML Messages >
> Plain Text Mode to "Only ever show PLAIN".

        Bye,
        Milan

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Re: attachment.dat

by Jonathan Ryshpan :: Rate this Message:

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On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 15:50 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 09:06 -0500, Todd Hicks wrote:
> > I forgot to mention I have the Mail Preferences > HTML Messages >
> > Plain Text Mode to "Only ever show PLAIN".
>
> Hi,
> yes, that's doing it. It couldn't find the text/plain part, and hidden
> your text/html part (the only part being in the mail) as an attachment.
> By the way, the name should be attachment.html (not .dat), if I recall
> correctly, and it should be expandable inline in the preview pane.
>
> Alternatively, you can set the middle option, the "Prefer PLAIN".
>
> Anyway, what you described sounds pretty same as
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470291
> Bye,
> Milan

All this may be related to a minor problem that I've seen lately, that
messages are shown as having attachments when nothing is actually
attached.  All of these messages have embedded text with an internal
delimiters like:

--===============1279641514==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

<...Content Deleted...>
--===============1279641514==--



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Re: attachment.dat

by ElectronJockey :: Rate this Message:

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I understand the comment and the feature. I get it, I got it the first
time, but this behaviour is inconsistent with that of other email client
apps, and will thus prevent me from using Evolution.
I'm going to have to go with Thunderbird, which is unfortunate because
the Exchange integration would have been nice to have. But having to use
a work around because the sender doesn't know how to send a text/plain
vice text/html and my LAN policy is to allow plain text email is just
not workable.
I'd still like to know what the mechanism is whereby the reply window
can display the text from the HTML when sending as plain text. Should I
submit this as a bug or feature request?

-----Original Message-----
From: Milan Crha <mcrha@...>
To: evolution-list@...
Subject: Re: [Evolution] attachment.dat
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:09:30 +0100

On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 10:44 -0500, ElectronJockey wrote:
> But why then, when I reply to the message can I read the original even
> though I'm composing plain text? Seems like, whatever code handles the
> reply is parsing the text from the HTML source. Why doesn't/can't the
> reading pane do this?

Did you read the bug I gave a link to? Specifically in this comment
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470291#c8
is a little explanation what is causing that.

Maybe you didn't get it from my initial posting, so once again: you
instructed Prefer-plain plugin to not show you any text/html part, so it
does that. Not the best way of doing it, hence the fix in the above bug.
You can let it work more properly when you change the prefer-plain
option to the "Prefer PLAIN" even without the fix, on the same place as
you read:

> I forgot to mention I have the Mail Preferences > HTML Messages >
> Plain Text Mode to "Only ever show PLAIN".

        Bye,
        Milan

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Re: attachment.dat

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> I'd still like to know what the mechanism is whereby the reply window
> can display the text from the HTML when sending as plain text.

Because the editor widget used is actually an HTML editor and knows how
to interpret HTML into plain text (and sometimes not very well and most
often with some formatting and editing oddities).

>  Should I
> submit this as a bug or feature request?

That you would like the display widget to be able to display HTML
formatted emails as plain text?  But you told it not to!  You are
telling the display widget to only display the plain text part, which is
what it's doing. I suppose it would be a feature request though, because
it certainly isn't a bug.

Besides, I don't see much point in it.  If someone has sent an HTML only
email, then you may as well see it in it's full horrible HTML glory if
the display is capable of rendering it.  It may offend you, but at least
you can see it as it's meant to be.  Sending though is a different
matter - only ever send plain text emails, ever.

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by Todd Hicks-2 :: Rate this Message:

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As I say, other email apps I've used (notably Thunderbird) strip the
markup in the reading pane for messages of content-type text/html . Yes
the output may not be pretty, but it's there and readable, not wrapped
up in an attachment. In the case of Outlook there is an information bar
in the message header area/bar that gives the user the option to view
the rendered HTML That might be a more friendly way of handling the
message than wrapping it up as an attachment. I think Milan alluded to
being able to view the message in-line, but I don't see that. Did he
mean viewing the list of attachments?
It's not an issue of offence as much as it is policy.


-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Biggs <pete@...>
To: evolution-list@...
Subject: Re: [Evolution] attachment.dat
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:03:36 +0000
Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 (2.26.3-1.fc11)

> I'd still like to know what the mechanism is whereby the reply window
> can display the text from the HTML when sending as plain text.

Because the editor widget used is actually an HTML editor and knows how
to interpret HTML into plain text (and sometimes not very well and most
often with some formatting and editing oddities).

>  Should I
> submit this as a bug or feature request?

That you would like the display widget to be able to display HTML
formatted emails as plain text?  But you told it not to!  You are
telling the display widget to only display the plain text part, which is
what it's doing. I suppose it would be a feature request though, because
it certainly isn't a bug.

Besides, I don't see much point in it.  If someone has sent an HTML only
email, then you may as well see it in it's full horrible HTML glory if
the display is capable of rendering it.  It may offend you, but at least
you can see it as it's meant to be.  Sending though is a different
matter - only ever send plain text emails, ever.

P.


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Re: attachment.dat

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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 07:23 -0500, ElectronJockey wrote:
> I understand the comment and the feature. I get it, I got it the first
> time, but this behaviour is inconsistent with that of other email client
> apps, and will thus prevent me from using Evolution.
What's inconsistent?  That evo doesn't automatically convert an email
consisting only of a winmail.dat attachment to plain text?  IIRC,
thunderbird requires an addon to handle this type of email also.

> I'm going to have to go with Thunderbird, which is unfortunate because
> the Exchange integration would have been nice to have. But having to use
> a work around because the sender doesn't know how to send a text/plain
> vice text/html and my LAN policy is to allow plain text email is just
> not workable.
So you trade one workaround for another, choosing an email client w/o
exchange integration because setting Prefer Plain Text is not
acceptable.  I don't understand the LAN policy comment:
1) setting your preferences to compose in plain text means that all your
outgoing email will be plain text, including emails that you reply to or
forward that contain only winmail.dat, providing you set your
preferences to reply/forward inline, keeping you within your LAN policy
2) if the policy statement is meant to imply that your LAN will *only*
accept plain text email, then it's invalid, as you obviously receive non
plain text email.

> I'd still like to know what the mechanism is whereby the reply window
> can display the text from the HTML when sending as plain text. Should I
> submit this as a bug or feature request?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Milan Crha <mcrha@...>
> To: evolution-list@...
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] attachment.dat
> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:09:30 +0100
>
> On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 10:44 -0500, ElectronJockey wrote:
> > But why then, when I reply to the message can I read the original even
> > though I'm composing plain text? Seems like, whatever code handles the
> > reply is parsing the text from the HTML source. Why doesn't/can't the
> > reading pane do this?
>
> Did you read the bug I gave a link to? Specifically in this comment
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470291#c8
> is a little explanation what is causing that.
>
> Maybe you didn't get it from my initial posting, so once again: you
> instructed Prefer-plain plugin to not show you any text/html part, so it
> does that. Not the best way of doing it, hence the fix in the above bug.
> You can let it work more properly when you change the prefer-plain
> option to the "Prefer PLAIN" even without the fix, on the same place as
> you read:
>
> > I forgot to mention I have the Mail Preferences > HTML Messages >
> > Plain Text Mode to "Only ever show PLAIN".
>
> Bye,
> Milan
>
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Re: attachment.dat

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El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 09:15 -0500, Peter N. Spotts escribió:
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:59:15 -0500
Todd Hicks <electronjockey@...> wrote:

> I just started using Evolution 2.28.1.
> Messages I receive from Monster.com come as 
> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
> The subject is utf-8 encoded also and is interpreted properly, but the
> body is interpreted as "attachment.dat", and when I view the source
> the body appears as gibberish (presumable binary). If I hit reply I
> can read the message. 
> I've googled with no success. It doesn't appear to be related to tnef,
> as I have that plugin installed. My thinking now is that spamassasin
> or bogofilter, so I've temporary disabled those plugins but I haven't
> received a message yet to verify.
> Anyone experience this or have any ideas?
> 

Try this for converting the *.dat file to something readable:

http://www.winmaildat.com/

With best regards,

Pete



But what exactly is a *.dat file?  What it does or contain?

Sylvia




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Re: attachment.dat

by ElectronJockey :: Rate this Message:

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I don't know about winmail.dat but if there is an add-on for Evolution
that will strip markup from a content-type: text/html message so I can
view the message (pretty or not) in the reading pane then point the
way.
And yes, trading work-arounds, but at least it's not the users that will
have to use the workaround because there email clients are set to view
messages as plain text by Evolution policy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Reid Thompson <reid.thompson@...>
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To: electronjockey@...
Cc: Milan Crha <mcrha@...>, evolution-list@...
Subject: Re: [Evolution] attachment.dat
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:54:50 -0500
Mailer: Evolution 2.28.2

On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 07:23 -0500, ElectronJockey wrote:
> I understand the comment and the feature. I get it, I got it the first
> time, but this behaviour is inconsistent with that of other email client
> apps, and will thus prevent me from using Evolution.
What's inconsistent?  That evo doesn't automatically convert an email
consisting only of a winmail.dat attachment to plain text?  IIRC,
thunderbird requires an addon to handle this type of email also.

> I'm going to have to go with Thunderbird, which is unfortunate because
> the Exchange integration would have been nice to have. But having to use
> a work around because the sender doesn't know how to send a text/plain
> vice text/html and my LAN policy is to allow plain text email is just
> not workable.
So you trade one workaround for another, choosing an email client w/o
exchange integration because setting Prefer Plain Text is not
acceptable.  I don't understand the LAN policy comment:
1) setting your preferences to compose in plain text means that all your
outgoing email will be plain text, including emails that you reply to or
forward that contain only winmail.dat, providing you set your
preferences to reply/forward inline, keeping you within your LAN policy
2) if the policy statement is meant to imply that your LAN will *only*
accept plain text email, then it's invalid, as you obviously receive non
plain text email.

> I'd still like to know what the mechanism is whereby the reply window
> can display the text from the HTML when sending as plain text. Should I
> submit this as a bug or feature request?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Milan Crha <mcrha@...>
> To: evolution-list@...
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] attachment.dat
> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:09:30 +0100
>
> On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 10:44 -0500, ElectronJockey wrote:
> > But why then, when I reply to the message can I read the original even
> > though I'm composing plain text? Seems like, whatever code handles the
> > reply is parsing the text from the HTML source. Why doesn't/can't the
> > reading pane do this?
>
> Did you read the bug I gave a link to? Specifically in this comment
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470291#c8
> is a little explanation what is causing that.
>
> Maybe you didn't get it from my initial posting, so once again: you
> instructed Prefer-plain plugin to not show you any text/html part, so it
> does that. Not the best way of doing it, hence the fix in the above bug.
> You can let it work more properly when you change the prefer-plain
> option to the "Prefer PLAIN" even without the fix, on the same place as
> you read:
>
> > I forgot to mention I have the Mail Preferences > HTML Messages >
> > Plain Text Mode to "Only ever show PLAIN".
>
> Bye,
> Milan
>
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>
>
>
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Re: attachment.dat

by jreidthompson :: Rate this Message:

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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 13:06 -0200, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:

> But what exactly is a *.dat file?  What it does or contain?
>

there are a couple of threads in the past several weeks that explain
the .dat file
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Re: attachment.dat

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As I say, other email apps I've used (notably Thunderbird) strip the
markup in the reading pane for messages of content-type text/html . Yes
the output may not be pretty, but it's there and readable, not wrapped
up in an attachment. In the case of Outlook there is an information bar
in the message header area/bar that gives the user the option to view
the rendered HTML That might be a more friendly way of handling the
message than wrapping it up as an attachment. I think Milan alluded to
being able to view the message in-line, but I don't see that. Did he
mean viewing the list of attachments?
It's not an issue of offence as much as it is policy.

Sorry if this is a repost, but it didn't seem to make the list first go
around.

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Biggs <pete@...>
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Subject: Re: [Evolution] attachment.dat
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:03:36 +0000
Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 (2.26.3-1.fc11)

> I'd still like to know what the mechanism is whereby the reply window
> can display the text from the HTML when sending as plain text.

Because the editor widget used is actually an HTML editor and knows how
to interpret HTML into plain text (and sometimes not very well and most
often with some formatting and editing oddities).

>  Should I
> submit this as a bug or feature request?

That you would like the display widget to be able to display HTML
formatted emails as plain text?  But you told it not to!  You are
telling the display widget to only display the plain text part, which is
what it's doing. I suppose it would be a feature request though, because
it certainly isn't a bug.

Besides, I don't see much point in it.  If someone has sent an HTML only
email, then you may as well see it in it's full horrible HTML glory if
the display is capable of rendering it.  It may offend you, but at least
you can see it as it's meant to be.  Sending though is a different
matter - only ever send plain text emails, ever.

P.


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Re: attachment.dat

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El jue, 05-11-2009 a las 10:11 -0500, Reid Thompson escribió:
On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 13:06 -0200, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:

> But what exactly is a *.dat file?  What it does or contain?
> 

there are a couple of threads in the past several weeks that explain
the .dat file

That is NOT an answer.  I don't have time to go swimming into thousands of mails.  I can't guess where it is.

Sylvia



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Re: attachment.dat

by Ng Oon-Ee :: Rate this Message:

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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 13:35 -0200, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:

>
>
>
> El jue, 05-11-2009 a las 10:11 -0500, Reid Thompson escribió:
> > On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 13:06 -0200, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:
> >
> > > But what exactly is a *.dat file?  What it does or contain?
> > >
> >
> > there are a couple of threads in the past several weeks that explain
> > the .dat file
>
> That is NOT an answer.  I don't have time to go swimming into
> thousands of mails.  I can't guess where it is.
>
> Sylvia

The concept of searching the archives has not occurred to you? I'm sure
there's plenty of people on this ML whose time is worth less than yours
who'd be glad to help you.

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