boot problems after installing fedora 11

[Haneef Bashir]

i had installed ubuntu 9.10 on my hard drive then installed fedora 11.
now i cant get into ubuntu and my computer boots right into fedora. i
tried using super grub but up until now it hast worked. here is how i
have my disk partitioned.
Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1        3930    31567693+  83  Linux
/dev/sda2            3931       19457   124720627+   5  Extended
/dev/sda5            3931        4706     6233188+  83  Linux
/dev/sda6            4707        5473     6160896   83  Linux
/dev/sda7            5474        5613     1124518+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda8            5614       19457   111201898+  83  Linux

sda1 is the home folder. sda5 is ubuntu and sda6 is fedora. thanks in advance

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[Tom H-4]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Haneef Bashir wrote:

> i had installed ubuntu 9.10 on my hard drive then installed fedora 11.
> now i cant get into ubuntu and my computer boots right into fedora. i
> tried using super grub but up until now it hast worked. here is how i
> have my disk partitioned.
> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1   *           1        3930    31567693+  83  Linux
> /dev/sda2            3931       19457   124720627+   5  Extended
> /dev/sda5            3931        4706     6233188+  83  Linux
> /dev/sda6            4707        5473     6160896   83  Linux
> /dev/sda7            5474        5613     1124518+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
> /dev/sda8            5614       19457   111201898+  83  Linux
> sda1 is the home folder. sda5 is ubuntu and sda6 is fedora.

So:
sda1 = /home
sda5 = / (KK)
sda6 = / (F11)
sda7 = swap
sda8 = ?

F11 will have installed and activated grub 1, which does not recognize
ext4. So if sda5 is an ext4 partition, grub 1 will not detect it.

(1) Try to chainload KK's grub 2. I think that you will need to use
"rootnoverify" rather than "root".

rootnoverify (hd0,4)
chainloader +1
boot

OR

(2) Run
yum install grub2
to install grub 2 on your F11 partition.

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[Haneef Bashir]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Tom H <tomh0665@...> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Haneef Bashir wrote:
>> i had installed ubuntu 9.10 on my hard drive then installed fedora 11.
>> now i cant get into ubuntu and my computer boots right into fedora. i
>> tried using super grub but up until now it hast worked. here is how i
>> have my disk partitioned.
>> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>> /dev/sda1   *           1        3930    31567693+  83  Linux
>> /dev/sda2            3931       19457   124720627+   5  Extended
>> /dev/sda5            3931        4706     6233188+  83  Linux
>> /dev/sda6            4707        5473     6160896   83  Linux
>> /dev/sda7            5474        5613     1124518+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
>> /dev/sda8            5614       19457   111201898+  83  Linux
>> sda1 is the home folder. sda5 is ubuntu and sda6 is fedora.
>
> So:
> sda1 = /home
> sda5 = / (KK)
> sda6 = / (F11)
> sda7 = swap
> sda8 = ?
>
> F11 will have installed and activated grub 1, which does not recognize
> ext4. So if sda5 is an ext4 partition, grub 1 will not detect it.
>
> (1) Try to chainload KK's grub 2. I think that you will need to use
> "rootnoverify" rather than "root".
>
> rootnoverify (hd0,4)
> chainloader +1
> boot
>
> OR
>
> (2) Run
> yum install grub2
> to install grub 2 on your F11 partition.

i thought that might be the problem but during install i chose ext3 as
the format for the drive so there wouldn't be any compatibility
issues. ill try installing grub 2

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[Haneef Bashir]

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Haneef Bashir <darkfena313@...> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Tom H <tomh0665@...> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Haneef Bashir wrote:
>>> i had installed ubuntu 9.10 on my hard drive then installed fedora 11.
>>> now i cant get into ubuntu and my computer boots right into fedora. i
>>> tried using super grub but up until now it hast worked. here is how i
>>> have my disk partitioned.
>>> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>>> /dev/sda1   *           1        3930    31567693+  83  Linux
>>> /dev/sda2            3931       19457   124720627+   5  Extended
>>> /dev/sda5            3931        4706     6233188+  83  Linux
>>> /dev/sda6            4707        5473     6160896   83  Linux
>>> /dev/sda7            5474        5613     1124518+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
>>> /dev/sda8            5614       19457   111201898+  83  Linux
>>> sda1 is the home folder. sda5 is ubuntu and sda6 is fedora.
>>
>> So:
>> sda1 = /home
>> sda5 = / (KK)
>> sda6 = / (F11)
>> sda7 = swap
>> sda8 = ?
>>
>> F11 will have installed and activated grub 1, which does not recognize
>> ext4. So if sda5 is an ext4 partition, grub 1 will not detect it.
>>
>> (1) Try to chainload KK's grub 2. I think that you will need to use
>> "rootnoverify" rather than "root".
>>
>> rootnoverify (hd0,4)
>> chainloader +1
>> boot
>>
>> OR
>>
>> (2) Run
>> yum install grub2
>> to install grub 2 on your F11 partition.
> i thought that might be the problem but during install i chose ext3 as
> the format for the drive so there wouldn't be any compatibility
> issues. ill try installing grub 2
>

sda8 is just for saving big files

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[Haneef Bashir]

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Haneef Bashir <darkfena313@...> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Haneef Bashir <darkfena313@...> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Tom H <tomh0665@...> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Haneef Bashir wrote:
>>>> i had installed ubuntu 9.10 on my hard drive then installed fedora 11.
>>>> now i cant get into ubuntu and my computer boots right into fedora. i
>>>> tried using super grub but up until now it hast worked. here is how i
>>>> have my disk partitioned.
>>>> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>>>> /dev/sda1   *           1        3930    31567693+  83  Linux
>>>> /dev/sda2            3931       19457   124720627+   5  Extended
>>>> /dev/sda5            3931        4706     6233188+  83  Linux
>>>> /dev/sda6            4707        5473     6160896   83  Linux
>>>> /dev/sda7            5474        5613     1124518+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
>>>> /dev/sda8            5614       19457   111201898+  83  Linux
>>>> sda1 is the home folder. sda5 is ubuntu and sda6 is fedora.
>>>
>>> So:
>>> sda1 = /home
>>> sda5 = / (KK)
>>> sda6 = / (F11)
>>> sda7 = swap
>>> sda8 = ?
>>>
>>> F11 will have installed and activated grub 1, which does not recognize
>>> ext4. So if sda5 is an ext4 partition, grub 1 will not detect it.
>>>
>>> (1) Try to chainload KK's grub 2. I think that you will need to use
>>> "rootnoverify" rather than "root".
>>>
>>> rootnoverify (hd0,4)
>>> chainloader +1
>>> boot
>>>
>>> OR
>>>
>>> (2) Run
>>> yum install grub2
>>> to install grub 2 on your F11 partition.
>> i thought that might be the problem but during install i chose ext3 as
>> the format for the drive so there wouldn't be any compatibility
>> issues. ill try installing grub 2
>>
> sda8 is just for saving big files
>

i installed grub2 and nothing happened. i dont really know how to do
chainloading but ill try.

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[fyrbrds-2]

-----Original Message-----
From: Haneef Bashir <darkfena313@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 3, 2009 8:38 pm
Subject: boot problems after installing fedora 11

i had installed ubuntu 9.10 on my hard drive then installed fedora 11.
now i cant get into ubuntu and my computer boots right into fedora. i
tried using super grub but up until now it hast worked. here is how i
have my disk partitioned.
Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1        3930    31567693+  83  Linux
/dev/sda2            3931       19457   124720627+   5  Extended
/dev/sda5            3931        4706     6233188+  83  Linux
/dev/sda6            4707        5473     6160896   83  Linux
/dev/sda7            5474        5613     1124518+  82  Linux swap /
Solaris
/dev/sda8            5614       19457   111201898+  83  Linux

>sda1 is the home folder. sda5 is ubuntu and sda6 is fedora. thanks in
advance
>


Are you getting a boot menu at all? How about posting your menu.lst

John


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[Goh Lip-2]

Haneef Bashir wrote:

> i installed grub2 and nothing happened. i dont really know how to do
> chainloading but ill try.
>

Haneef, if you want an empty grub2 bootable cd, I can send you an iso
file for you to burn and try to boot to 9.10. The file is just about 1
MB size.
Let me know if you want it.

Regards,
Goh Lip


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[Tom H-4]

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Haneef Bashir <darkfena313@...> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Haneef Bashir <darkfena313@...> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Tom H <tomh0665@...> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Haneef Bashir wrote:
>>>> i had installed ubuntu 9.10 on my hard drive then installed fedora 11.
>>>> now i cant get into ubuntu and my computer boots right into fedora. i
>>>> tried using super grub but up until now it hast worked. here is how i
>>>> have my disk partitioned.
>>>> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>>>> /dev/sda1   *           1        3930    31567693+  83  Linux
>>>> /dev/sda2            3931       19457   124720627+   5  Extended
>>>> /dev/sda5            3931        4706     6233188+  83  Linux
>>>> /dev/sda6            4707        5473     6160896   83  Linux
>>>> /dev/sda7            5474        5613     1124518+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
>>>> /dev/sda8            5614       19457   111201898+  83  Linux
>>>> sda1 is the home folder. sda5 is ubuntu and sda6 is fedora.
>>>
>>> So:
>>> sda1 = /home
>>> sda5 = / (KK)
>>> sda6 = / (F11)
>>> sda7 = swap
>>> sda8 = ?
>>>
>>> F11 will have installed and activated grub 1, which does not recognize
>>> ext4. So if sda5 is an ext4 partition, grub 1 will not detect it.
>>>
>>> (1) Try to chainload KK's grub 2. I think that you will need to use
>>> "rootnoverify" rather than "root".
>>>
>>> rootnoverify (hd0,4)
>>> chainloader +1
>>> boot
>>>
>>> OR
>>>
>>> (2) Run
>>> yum install grub2
>>> to install grub 2 on your F11 partition.
>> i thought that might be the problem but during install i chose ext3 as
>> the format for the drive so there wouldn't be any compatibility
>> issues. ill try installing grub 2
>>
> sda8 is just for saving big files

Thanks. I was curious whether it was a HUGE /boot! :)

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[Tom H-4]

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Haneef Bashir <darkfena313@...> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Haneef Bashir <darkfena313@...> wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Haneef Bashir <darkfena313@...> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Tom H <tomh0665@...> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Haneef Bashir wrote:
>>>>> i had installed ubuntu 9.10 on my hard drive then installed fedora 11.
>>>>> now i cant get into ubuntu and my computer boots right into fedora. i
>>>>> tried using super grub but up until now it hast worked. here is how i
>>>>> have my disk partitioned.
>>>>> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>>>>> /dev/sda1   *           1        3930    31567693+  83  Linux
>>>>> /dev/sda2            3931       19457   124720627+   5  Extended
>>>>> /dev/sda5            3931        4706     6233188+  83  Linux
>>>>> /dev/sda6            4707        5473     6160896   83  Linux
>>>>> /dev/sda7            5474        5613     1124518+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
>>>>> /dev/sda8            5614       19457   111201898+  83  Linux
>>>>> sda1 is the home folder. sda5 is ubuntu and sda6 is fedora.
>>>>
>>>> So:
>>>> sda1 = /home
>>>> sda5 = / (KK)
>>>> sda6 = / (F11)
>>>> sda7 = swap
>>>> sda8 = ?
>>>>
>>>> F11 will have installed and activated grub 1, which does not recognize
>>>> ext4. So if sda5 is an ext4 partition, grub 1 will not detect it.
>>>>
>>>> (1) Try to chainload KK's grub 2. I think that you will need to use
>>>> "rootnoverify" rather than "root".
>>>>
>>>> rootnoverify (hd0,4)
>>>> chainloader +1
>>>> boot
>>>>
>>>> OR
>>>>
>>>> (2) Run
>>>> yum install grub2
>>>> to install grub 2 on your F11 partition.
>>> i thought that might be the problem but during install i chose ext3 as
>>> the format for the drive so there wouldn't be any compatibility
>>> issues. ill try installing grub 2
>>>
>> sda8 is just for saving big files
>>
> i installed grub2 and nothing happened. i dont really know how to do
> chainloading but ill try.

Please post the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg
and please mount /dev/sda5 and post an ls of /mountpoint/boot

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[Goh Lip-2]

Goh Lip wrote:

> Haneef Bashir wrote:
>
>> i installed grub2 and nothing happened. i dont really know how to do
>> chainloading but ill try.
>>
>
> Haneef, if you want an empty grub2 bootable cd, I can send you an iso
> file for you to burn and try to boot to 9.10. The file is just about 1
> MB size.
> Let me know if you want it.
>
>

Gee, there are easier ways to get it.
(i really should pause longer before hitting the send button)

boot up  9.10 livecd. at terminal,
sudo grub-mkrescue grub2.iso

burn that 'grub2.iso' generated in your home partition.

Boot that up, then do
search -f /boot/grub/grub.cfg

check what is your partition of 9.10
(you did not say in earlier message where your 9.10 is, Tom said it is
sda5, is it?)


Assuming it is (hd0,5)   -change if wrong-

do either one of 2 things


-one-
configfile (hd0,5)/boot/grub/grub.cfg


-two-
set root=(hd0,5)
linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic root=/dev/sda5 ro quiet splash
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-14-generic
boot


When booted into 9.10, at terminal
sudo grub-mkconfig

check if this includes F11 as well.
If okay,
sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg

sudo grub-install /dev/sda

Regrds,
Goh Lip








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[Tom H-4]

>>> i installed grub2 and nothing happened. i dont really know how to do
>>> chainloading but ill try.

>> Haneef, if you want an empty grub2 bootable cd, I can send you an iso
>> file for you to burn and try to boot to 9.10. The file is just about 1
>> MB size.
>> Let me know if you want it.

> Gee, there are easier ways to get it.
> (i really should pause longer before hitting the send button)

> boot up  9.10 livecd. at terminal,
> sudo grub-mkrescue grub2.iso

> burn that 'grub2.iso' generated in your home partition.

> Boot that up, then do
> search -f /boot/grub/grub.cfg

> check what is your partition of 9.10
> (you did not say in earlier message where your 9.10 is, Tom said it is
> sda5, is it?)

> Assuming it is (hd0,5)   -change if wrong-

> do either one of 2 things

> -one-
> configfile (hd0,5)/boot/grub/grub.cfg

> -two-
> set root=(hd0,5)
> linux   /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic root=/dev/sda5 ro quiet splash
> initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-14-generic
> boot

> When booted into 9.10, at terminal
> sudo grub-mkconfig

> check if this includes F11 as well.
> If okay,
> sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg

> sudo grub-install /dev/sda

I just logged on to my mail in order to ask you for the output of two
rpm commands (to make sure that Grub 2 is properly installed).

But Goh Lip has given you excellent instructions to re-set up Grub 2
in KK, so there is no longer any need for checking and correcting your
F11 Grub 2 install.

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[Karl F. Larsen]

John Scott wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haneef Bashir <darkfena313@...>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 3, 2009 8:38 pm
> Subject: boot problems after installing fedora 11
>
> i had installed ubuntu 9.10 on my hard drive then installed fedora 11.
> now i cant get into ubuntu and my computer boots right into fedora. i
> tried using super grub but up until now it hast worked. here is how i
> have my disk partitioned.
> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1   *           1        3930    31567693+  83  Linux
> /dev/sda2            3931       19457   124720627+   5  Extended
> /dev/sda5            3931        4706     6233188+  83  Linux
> /dev/sda6            4707        5473     6160896   83  Linux
> /dev/sda7            5474        5613     1124518+  82  Linux swap /
> Solaris
> /dev/sda8            5614       19457   111201898+  83  Linux
>
>> sda1 is the home folder. sda5 is ubuntu and sda6 is fedora. thanks in
> advance
>
>
> Are you getting a boot menu at all? How about posting your menu.lst
>
> John
>
>

        What happened is: when he loaded Fedora IT set up grub over
the Ubuntu grub. Why he can't select Ubuntu from grub is the
mystery I think.

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[fyrbrds-2]

-----Original Message-----
From: Karl F. Larsen <klarsen1@...>
Sent: Wed, Nov 4, 2009 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: boot problems after installing fedora 11


John Scott wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haneef Bashir <darkfena313@...>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 3, 2009 8:38 pm
> Subject: boot problems after installing fedora 11
>
>
>
> Are you getting a boot menu at all? How about posting your menu.lst
>
> John
>
>

    What happened is: when he loaded Fedora IT set up grub over
>the Ubuntu grub. Why he can't select Ubuntu from grub is the
>mystery I think.

73 Karl
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Could be that the multiboot option was not uncommented. We've seen that
a lot the last couple of days. The right entry may already be there if
multiboot is disabled.  Or he may only need to copy the boot section
 from the Ubuntu menu.lst to the Fedora menu.lst and run update-grub
 from Fedora. That assumes that the device.map is the same. Or he could
do vice versa and update grub from Ubuntu and get into both that way.
At least we know the Ubuntu is aleady using grub2.

John

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[Haneef Bashir]

>> Are you getting a boot menu at all? How about posting your menu.lst
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>    What happened is: when he loaded Fedora IT set up grub over
>>the Ubuntu grub. Why he can't select Ubuntu from grub is the
>>mystery I think.
>

>
> Could be that the multiboot option was not uncommented. We've seen that
> a lot the last couple of days. The right entry may already be there if
> multiboot is disabled.  Or he may only need to copy the boot section
>  from the Ubuntu menu.lst to the Fedora menu.lst and run update-grub
>  from Fedora. That assumes that the device.map is the same. Or he could
> do vice versa and update grub from Ubuntu and get into both that way.
> At least we know the Ubuntu is aleady using grub2.
>
> John
>

i would like to thank everyone for their suggestions. i decided to see
if i could reinstall grub2 using the karmic like cd. grub2 was
installed but it wiped out everything event though i didn't select
that the root partition should be reformatted. but now i have another
issue that i will post.

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[thomas-257]

Hello,

I got another automatic update tonight.  After the update was
completed I got the screen of death.  Attempted to reboot and
I got a message that certain files were missing and I had to
so a reinstall.

Will this re-install delete the files of the previous 9.10
environment?  Will I be able to access them?

All of the items on my desktop took on a strange appearance
and when I clicked on icons I got an error message.  

I am using the try out mode of an older version of Ubuntu to
get to the internet and to my Comcast mail.  

This is awful.

I would like to get opinions on what other version of LINUX
would members of this group recommend.  So far this is a
worse experience than I ever had with versions of Windows that
I installed an was able to use (NT 4 and NT 5 beta were just
not useable).  Surely, Vista could not have been as bad as
this.  

I don't want to go back to Windows for my internet access but
this problem is too much.  If I ever get back to functioning
I will reject all upgrade requests.  

Thanks

Thomas S.

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[Nils Kassube-2]

valhalla2100@... wrote:
> I got another automatic update tonight.  After the update was
> completed I got the screen of death.  Attempted to reboot and
> I got a message that certain files were missing and I had to
> so a reinstall.

I don't think I ever saw that message but was there some info which
files were missing? Maybe they could be copied from a LiveCD.

> Will this re-install delete the files of the previous 9.10
> environment?  Will I be able to access them?

Yes, a reinstall usually deletes everything of the previous install.
However your personal files can be preserved if you select the manual
partitioning during the installation dialog. There you select the same
file system you have now (probably ext3 because yours is an upgrade from
9.04) and don't select to format the partition. You will get a warning
with an explanation that system directories will be removed but the
/home directory will be preserved. However I would recommend to backup
your important files to an external drive anyway. You can do that from a
LiveCD before you start the installation.


Nils

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[NoOp-4]

On 11/14/2009 12:42 AM, valhalla2100@... wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I got another automatic update tonight.  After the update was
> completed I got the screen of death.  Attempted to reboot and
> I got a message that certain files were missing and I had to
> so a reinstall.

Try booting to recovery mode and selecting the 'dpkg' option.


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[thomas-257]

Nils Kassube wrote:
> valhalla2100@... wrote:
>> I got another automatic update tonight.  After the update was
>> completed I got the screen of death.  Attempted to reboot and
>> I got a message that certain files were missing and I had to
>> so a reinstall.

>>
>> I don't think I ever saw that message but was there some info which
>> files were missing? Maybe they could be copied from a LiveCD.
>>
>> Will this re-install delete the files of the previous 9.10
>> environment?  Will I be able to access them?
>
> Yes, a reinstall usually deletes everything of the previous install.
> However your personal files can be preserved if you select the manual
> partitioning during the installation dialog. There you select the same
> file system you have now (probably ext3 because yours is an upgrade from
> 9.04) and don't select to format the partition. You will get a warning
> with an explanation that system directories will be removed but the
> /home directory will be preserved. However I would recommend to backup
> your important files to an external drive anyway. You can do that from a
> LiveCD before you start the installation.
>
>
> Nils
>

I am lucky. Turned the computer on today and it booted up. Thanks for the
advice. I hope that nothing happens again. This was a strange problem. I
guess that during the intervening time Ubuntu healed itself even while the
computer was in an "off" state. I did nothing to fix it.

I understand that there is a way to back up files. I need to pull out
the Ubuntu
book that I purchased from Barnes & Noble. Most of what I have that needs
to be save are e/m notes - mostly Google Alerts.

I am also very lucky that this group exists. This was not the first time
that
people have put forth advice to help me get out of some jam.

While writing this I think that I figure out what top posting means. I got a
few complaints about this. Did not change the way I was posting because
I did not understand what it meant. From now on I will put my responses
and comments at the bottom of the page.

Thanks

Thomas

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[thomas-257]

The problem solved itself. however, I am going to kept this in a
file and create a folder (Thunderbird e/m client) for solutions.
This is something that I should print out. Too bad that I can't
save the Thunderbird files in a .txt (or any other format) file as
a batch save.

Thanks for your solution.

Thomas

NoOp wrote:

> On 11/14/2009 12:42 AM, valhalla2100@... wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I got another automatic update tonight.  After the update was
>> completed I got the screen of death.  Attempted to reboot and
>> I got a message that certain files were missing and I had to
>> so a reinstall.
>
> Try booting to recovery mode and selecting the 'dpkg' option.
>
>

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