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bug or "feature" ??
by Gene Czarcinski
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I notice that if I stop the NetworkManager service:
/etc/init.d/NetworkManager stop that the interfaces started by NetworkManager are not always stopped. Note: this is a F12 qemu-kvm guest with multiple (two) NICs defined. Bug or "feature"?? Gene _______________________________________________ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list |
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Re: bug or "feature" ??
by Dan Williams
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On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 16:54 -0400, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
> I notice that if I stop the NetworkManager service: > /etc/init.d/NetworkManager stop > that the interfaces started by NetworkManager are not always stopped. > > Note: this is a F12 qemu-kvm guest with multiple (two) NICs defined. > > Bug or "feature"?? Feature. It allows you to do 'service NetworkManager restart' and have the connection survive. This is implemented for wired static and DHCP interfaces only and was requested quite a few times by people who run headless servers where you may need to update NM on-the-fly and not be kicked out when doing so. It's also necessary for NM to seamlessly take over a connection from the initrd where the rootfs is network mounted. Dan _______________________________________________ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list |
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Re: bug or "feature" ??
by Gene Czarcinski
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On Monday 02 November 2009 16:21:17 Dan Williams wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 16:54 -0400, Gene Czarcinski wrote: > > I notice that if I stop the NetworkManager service: > > /etc/init.d/NetworkManager stop > > that the interfaces started by NetworkManager are not always stopped. > > > > Note: this is a F12 qemu-kvm guest with multiple (two) NICs defined. > > > > Bug or "feature"?? > > Feature. It allows you to do 'service NetworkManager restart' and have > the connection survive. This is implemented for wired static and DHCP > interfaces only and was requested quite a few times by people who run > headless servers where you may need to update NM on-the-fly and not be > kicked out when doing so. It's also necessary for NM to seamlessly take > over a connection from the initrd where the rootfs is network mounted. Did this feature get added to F12? I tried F11 and "stop" seems to shutdown all of the interfaces started by NetworkManager. I can understand the need for this feature but the unintended consequence is that I now have to go through a lot of manual stuff to stop the interfaces. Using /etc/init.d/network to stop everything is not much better since it also stops the internal ("lo") network. I am not sure what the right answer is. Gene _______________________________________________ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list |
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Re: bug or "feature" ??
by Dan Williams
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On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 18:52 -0400, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
> On Monday 02 November 2009 16:21:17 Dan Williams wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 16:54 -0400, Gene Czarcinski wrote: > > > I notice that if I stop the NetworkManager service: > > > /etc/init.d/NetworkManager stop > > > that the interfaces started by NetworkManager are not always stopped. > > > > > > Note: this is a F12 qemu-kvm guest with multiple (two) NICs defined. > > > > > > Bug or "feature"?? > > > > Feature. It allows you to do 'service NetworkManager restart' and have > > the connection survive. This is implemented for wired static and DHCP > > interfaces only and was requested quite a few times by people who run > > headless servers where you may need to update NM on-the-fly and not be > > kicked out when doing so. It's also necessary for NM to seamlessly take > > over a connection from the initrd where the rootfs is network mounted. > > Did this feature get added to F12? I tried F11 and "stop" seems to shutdown > all of the interfaces started by NetworkManager. Yes, added in NetworkManager 0.8. > I can understand the need for this feature but the unintended consequence is > that I now have to go through a lot of manual stuff to stop the interfaces. > Using /etc/init.d/network to stop everything is not much better since it also > stops the internal ("lo") network. NM has a Disconnect method in D-Bus that does what you're looking for. It simply doesn't do it automatically when quitting. You have to manually shut stuff down using 'ifdown' anyway when not using NM; you can think of NM like an 'ifup' that never quits. Non-debugging use-case is expected to be NM running until system shutdown, or a restart of NM, not turning NM off completely at runtime and still going... Dan _______________________________________________ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list |
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Re: bug or "feature" ??
by list-34
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Dan Williams wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 16:54 -0400, Gene Czarcinski wrote: > >> I notice that if I stop the NetworkManager service: >> /etc/init.d/NetworkManager stop >> that the interfaces started by NetworkManager are not always stopped. >> >> Note: this is a F12 qemu-kvm guest with multiple (two) NICs defined. >> >> Bug or "feature"?? >> > > Feature. It allows you to do 'service NetworkManager restart' and have > the connection survive. This is implemented for wired static and DHCP > interfaces only and was requested quite a few times by people who run > headless servers where you may need to update NM on-the-fly and not be > kicked out when doing so. It's also necessary for NM to seamlessly take > over a connection from the initrd where the rootfs is network mounted. > > Dan > > > _______________________________________________ > NetworkManager-list mailing list > NetworkManager-list@... > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list > (Just wondering...) _______________________________________________ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list |
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Re: bug or "feature" ??
by Graham Lyon
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Why not? Why bother having two different ways of doing something?
2009/11/4 <list@...>
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