building 2.3.28

[mk27]

I have been using balsa for few years -- the latest one, which came
with fedora 10-64, since January.  However, it regularly (say once a
day if I leasve it on) causes X to crash.  This is sort of okay, since
I do not need to leave it on all the time, and usually it is only a
small hassle to restart X.

However, it is starting to get slightly embarrassing as I am now
working with a vps server where I must maitain a persistant connection
to manage certian details -- if my connection is lost, the server must
shut down, meaning other users are also disconnected.  This will happen
when X crashes, since the client at my end is a GUI.  Even tho it may
only take me a minute or so to re-establish things, I have still
created a hassle for my users.  So short of running two computers,
using my email is now a risky affair.

Also, I would like to use gtkspell, since currently I have no spell
checking at all in balsa.  So I would much prefer to build from source,
which is what I do with a lot of software (I am a C programmer, I have
some gtk projects and my desktop at home is source built from gtk on
up, so using packages is sometimes awkward or undesirable).  I believe
I tried to build balsa once or twice in the past and failed and just
left it at that, but I would really, really like it to work out since I
cannot find ANY other viable GUI email clients for linux.  The latest
attempt was:

configure --enable-pcre --disable-static --without-gnome --with-gnu-ld
--with-gtkspell

and it crapped out here:

address-view.c: In function ‘lbav_entry_setup_matches’:
address-view.c:230: error: ‘internet_address_unref’ undeclared (first
use in this function)
address-view.c:230: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only
once
address-view.c:230: error: for each function it appears in.)

I don't really want to debug this myself and was wondering if anyone
had any advice or (egad) had actually gotten 2.3.28 to build!
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[Jack Ostroff]

On 2009.11.07 15:15, MK wrote:
> ...
> So I would much prefer to build from source, which is what I do with  
> a lot of software (I am a C programmer, I have some gtk projects and  
> my desktop at home is source built from gtk on up, so using packages  
> is sometimes awkward or undesirable).  I believe I tried to build  
> balsa once or twice in the past and failed and just left it at that,  
> but I would really, really like it to work out since I cannot find  
> ANY other viable GUI email clients for linux.  The latest attempt was:
>

> configure --enable-pcre --disable-static --without-gnome --with-gnu-ld
> --with-gtkspell
>
> and it crapped out here:
>
> address-view.c: In function ‘lbav_entry_setup_matches’:
> address-view.c:230: error: ‘internet_address_unref’ undeclared (first
> use in this function)
> address-view.c:230: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported  
> only
> once
> address-view.c:230: error: for each function it appears in.)
>
> I don't really want to debug this myself and was wondering if anyone
> had any advice or (egad) had actually gotten 2.3.28 to build!

2.3.28 is not the latest version.  I'm using 2.4.1 under Gentoo, so it  
was compiled on my machine with no problems, although not manually.  It  
might be worth trying a newer version.
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[Peter Bloomfield]

On 11/07/2009 07:29:18 PM Sat, Jack wrote:

> On 2009.11.07 15:15, MK wrote:
>> ...
>> So I would much prefer to build from source, which is what I do with a  
>> lot of software (I am a C programmer, I have some gtk projects and my  
>> desktop at home is source built from gtk on up, so using packages is  
>> sometimes awkward or undesirable).  I believe I tried to build balsa  
>> once or twice in the past and failed and just left it at that, but I  
>> would really, really like it to work out since I cannot find ANY other  
>> viable GUI email clients for linux.  The latest attempt was:
>>
>
>> configure --enable-pcre --disable-static --without-gnome --with-gnu-ld
>> --with-gtkspell
>>
>> and it crapped out here:
>>
>> address-view.c: In function ‘lbav_entry_setup_matches’:
>> address-view.c:230: error: ‘internet_address_unref’ undeclared (first
>> use in this function)
>> address-view.c:230: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only
>> once
>> address-view.c:230: error: for each function it appears in.)
>>
>> I don't really want to debug this myself and was wondering if anyone
>> had any advice or (egad) had actually gotten 2.3.28 to build!
>
> 2.3.28 is not the latest version.  I'm using 2.4.1 under Gentoo, so it  
> was compiled on my machine with no problems, although not manually.  It  
> might be worth trying a newer version.

Yes--it looks as though you have GMime 2.4, and Balsa 2.3 requires GMime  
<= 2.2.  Try the Balsa 2.4.1 tarball from  
<URL:http://pawsa.fedorapeople.org/balsa/download.html>, which does  
require GMime 2.4.

Peter


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[Peter Bloomfield]

On 11/07/2009 03:15:03 PM Sat, MK wrote:
>
> I have been using balsa for few years -- the latest one, which came
> with fedora 10-64, since January.  However, it regularly (say once a
> day if I leasve it on) causes X to crash.  This is sort of okay, since
> I do not need to leave it on all the time, and usually it is only a
> small hassle to restart X.

That's a new one to me!  We've had several reports (and personal  
experiences!) of recent Xorg causing Balsa to crash, but not of Balsa  
causing Xorg to crash.  Are there any hints in, for instance, Xorg.?.log  
about the crashes?

Anyway, Xorg should be robust to misbehavior by a client--that has to be  
an Xorg bug.

Peter
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[mk27]

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:26:04 -0500
Peter Bloomfield <peterbloomfield@...> wrote:

> On 11/07/2009 03:15:03 PM Sat, MK wrote:
> >
> > I have been using balsa for few years -- the latest one, which came
> > with fedora 10-64, since January.  However, it regularly (say once a
> > day if I leasve it on) causes X to crash.  This is sort of okay, since
> > I do not need to leave it on all the time, and usually it is only a
> > small hassle to restart X.
>
> That's a new one to me!  We've had several reports (and personal  
> experiences!) of recent Xorg causing Balsa to crash, but not of Balsa  
> causing Xorg to crash.  Are there any hints in, for instance, Xorg.?.log  
> about the crashes?

Could be.  Xorg.log does not disclose anything, perhaps I need to set the debug level higher.  Generally it dumps this stuff to console and there is a clear chain reaction (apps disappear one at a time suddenly) but balsa (or gkrellm...) is always first, and it is my impression that this does not happen when balsa is not running.  

Keep in mind, as I said, my environment is very "non-standard" and did involve forcing some packages because the dependencies were source built (and probably not the same way as the corresponding package) so there is ample room for any number of complications.  Which that is my problem more than yours!

Anyway, for now I am trying out sylpheed (gasp! sorry...) as it has fewer dependencies and was not intended for gnome integration, which is something I neither want nor need.  But thanks for balsa, up to now it has served me well for years!

BTW, if 2.4.1 is the latest version, why does this homepage:

http://balsa.gnome.org/

list (and supply!) 2.3.28 as the latest stable release?
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[Jack Ostroff]

On 2009.11.08 14:44, MK wrote:
> .....
> BTW, if 2.4.1 is the latest version, why does this homepage:
>
> http://balsa.gnome.org/
>
> list (and supply!) 2.3.28 as the latest stable release?

Note the entry that says the Balsa web site has moved.
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[Peter Bloomfield]

On 11/08/2009 02:44:00 PM Sun, MK wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:26:04 -0500
> Peter Bloomfield <peterbloomfield@...> wrote:
[ snip ]

>> That's a new one to me!  We've had several reports (and personal  
>> experiences!) of recent Xorg causing Balsa to crash, but not of Balsa  
>> causing Xorg to crash.  Are there any hints in, for instance,  
>> Xorg.?.log about the crashes?
>
> Could be.  Xorg.log does not disclose anything, perhaps I need to set  
> the debug level higher.  Generally it dumps this stuff to console and  
> there is a clear chain reaction (apps disappear one at a time suddenly)  
> but balsa (or gkrellm...) is always first, and it is my impression that  
> this does not happen when balsa is not running.

I'm guessing the console messages include "Fatal IO error 11 (Resource  
temporarily unavailable) on X server", which is what others and I have  
seen.

> Keep in mind, as I said, my environment is very "non-standard" and did  
> involve forcing some packages because the dependencies were source built  
> (and probably not the same way as the corresponding package) so there is  
> ample room for any number of complications.  Which that is my problem  
> more than yours!
>
> Anyway, for now I am trying out sylpheed (gasp! sorry...) as it has  
> fewer dependencies and was not intended for gnome integration, which is  
> something I neither want nor need.  But thanks for balsa, up to now it  
> has served me well for years!

I've no interest in starting a pissing match!  But...Balsa can be built  
with fewer dependencies than in the past.  It's even usable on Mac OS-X!  
In particular, it will build --without-gnome, and can use libunique to  
enforce single-instances, instead of the (soon to be?) deprecated  
BonoboActivation.

Just trying to be helpful...

Peter
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[mk27]

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:08:04 -0500
Peter Bloomfield <peterbloomfield@...> wrote:

> I'm guessing the console messages include "Fatal IO error 11 (Resource  
> temporarily unavailable) on X server", which is what others and I have  
> seen.

I believe that is one of them, yeah.  If I see it again I will let you know!
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