calendar icons

[Olin Shivers-2]

I am trying to use evolution for calendaring. I'm accessing some
calendars via CalDAV. My appointments show up in the month view with
a bewildering set of icons associated with each appt. None of them appear
in the documentation, which is pretty annoying -- not much point in providing
a colorful icon if its purpose is unexplained. It makes the display *less*
informative and more cluttered.

Some of these icons I can puzzle out:
- the little bell means an alarm has been set.
- The pair of blue arrows going in a circle mean "recurring event."

But there are two that resist analysis:
- A pair of people, head-and-shoulders.
- A yellow thumbtack in a green square.

Can someone tell me what these things are?
    -Olin
_______________________________________________
Evolution-list mailing list
Evolution-list@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

[Suman Manjunath-2]

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 00:11, Olin Shivers<shivers@...> wrote:

> I am trying to use evolution for calendaring. I'm accessing some
> calendars via CalDAV. My appointments show up in the month view with
> a bewildering set of icons associated with each appt. None of them appear
> in the documentation, which is pretty annoying -- not much point in providing
> a colorful icon if its purpose is unexplained. It makes the display *less*
> informative and more cluttered.
>
> Some of these icons I can puzzle out:
> - the little bell means an alarm has been set.
> - The pair of blue arrows going in a circle mean "recurring event."
>
> But there are two that resist analysis:
> - A pair of people, head-and-shoulders.

this means that the event is a meeting (different from an appointment)

> - A yellow thumbtack in a green square.

this means that the event is originally set/sent from a different timezone

I agree that it should be more documented :-)

-Suman
_______________________________________________
Evolution-list mailing list
Evolution-list@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

[Pete Biggs]

On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 09:49 +0530, Suman Manjunath wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 00:11, Olin Shivers<shivers@...> wrote:
> > I am trying to use evolution for calendaring. I'm accessing some
> > calendars via CalDAV. My appointments show up in the month view with
> > a bewildering set of icons associated with each appt. None of them appear
> > in the documentation, which is pretty annoying -- not much point in providing
> > a colorful icon if its purpose is unexplained. It makes the display *less*
> > informative and more cluttered.
> >
> > Some of these icons I can puzzle out:
> > - the little bell means an alarm has been set.
> > - The pair of blue arrows going in a circle mean "recurring event."
> >
> > But there are two that resist analysis:
> > - A pair of people, head-and-shoulders.
>
> this means that the event is a meeting (different from an appointment)

That's odd then - all my events are "appointments", and every single one
of them has that symbol on it.  What makes an event a "meeting" rather
than an "appointment"?

P.

_______________________________________________
Evolution-list mailing list
Evolution-list@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

[Pete Biggs]

[[ Replying back into the mailing list ... ]]

On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 14:56 -0500, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:
> You choose between appointment, meeting and others.

Sure, however they are labeled "appointment", but still have the two
person icon next to them.  So something other than just the label
"appointment" or "meeting" must be determining the presence of that
icon.  Perhaps it's something to do with CalDAV??

P.

(Top posting really does make it difficult to keep a flow in these sorts
of conversations :-( )

>
> 2009/6/30 Pete Biggs <pete@...>
> On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 09:49 +0530, Suman Manjunath wrote:
>         > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 00:11, Olin Shivers<shivers@...> wrote:
>         > > I am trying to use evolution for calendaring. I'm accessing some
>         > > calendars via CalDAV. My appointments show up in the month view with
>         > > a bewildering set of icons associated with each appt. None of them appear
>         > > in the documentation, which is pretty annoying -- not much point in providing
>         > > a colorful icon if its purpose is unexplained. It makes the display *less*
>         > > informative and more cluttered.
>         > >
>         > > Some of these icons I can puzzle out:
>         > > - the little bell means an alarm has been set.
>         > > - The pair of blue arrows going in a circle mean "recurring event."
>         > >
>         > > But there are two that resist analysis:
>         > > - A pair of people, head-and-shoulders.
>         >
>         > this means that the event is a meeting (different from an appointment)
>        
>        
>         That's odd then - all my events are "appointments", and every single one
>         of them has that symbol on it.  What makes an event a "meeting" rather
>         than an "appointment"?
>        
>         P.
>        
>        
>         _______________________________________________
>         Evolution-list mailing list
>         Evolution-list@...
>         http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
>        
>        

_______________________________________________
Evolution-list mailing list
Evolution-list@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

[Nick Jenkins]

> What makes an event a "meeting" rather than an "appointment"?

When you first create an event in the calendar, you specify whether it's
a meeting or an appointment (e.g. File -> New -> Meeting, or File -> New
-> Appointment). Use appointments for events/reminders just for you, and
meetings for events that other people will be notified about.

For my 2 cents though, I don't think there should be as much distinction
between meetings and appointments (e.g. there should just be events, and
whether other people are notified or not is a secondary consideration);
or failing that, that converting from one type to the other should be
far more straightforward:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558030

In 2.26, there is a way to convert from an appointment to a meeting
(right-click on appointment -> Schedule Meeting), but not vice-versa (to
the best of my knowledge).

-- All the best,
Nick.

_______________________________________________
Evolution-list mailing list
Evolution-list@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

[Milan Crha]

On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 23:31 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> Perhaps it's something to do with CalDAV??

        Hi,
I do not think so. The code says that as long as the event has set an
organizer, the meeting icon is shown. The event editor, on the other
hand, checks whether the event contains attendees, if so, it opens a
meeting editor, otherwise the event editor.

So it depends also on the server/software which created/modified the
event.
        Bye,
        Milan

P.S.: Yes, the question is which of those two is correct and whether to
"fix" it. I do not know.

_______________________________________________
Evolution-list mailing list
Evolution-list@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

[Pete Biggs]

On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 02:33 +0000, Nick Jenkins wrote:
> > What makes an event a "meeting" rather than an "appointment"?
>
> When you first create an event in the calendar, you specify whether it's
> a meeting or an appointment (e.g. File -> New -> Meeting, or File -> New
> -> Appointment). Use appointments for events/reminders just for you, and
> meetings for events that other people will be notified about.

Sure.  That's how I created them.  But the "appointment" is showing up
with a "meeting" icon on it.

P.

_______________________________________________
Evolution-list mailing list
Evolution-list@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

[Pete Biggs]

On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 10:34 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 23:31 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > Perhaps it's something to do with CalDAV??
>
> Hi,
> I do not think so. The code says that as long as the event has set an
> organizer, the meeting icon is shown. The event editor, on the other
> hand, checks whether the event contains attendees, if so, it opens a
> meeting editor, otherwise the event editor.

So one of the criteria for being a "meeting" is that an organizer is
set?

>
> So it depends also on the server/software which created/modified the
> event.

The CalDAV server in this case is Zimbra.

I don't particularly like doing it, but attached is a screenshot of an
appointment - it shows a calendar entry with the "meeting" icon on it
and the event editor for that entry under it.

>
> P.S.: Yes, the question is which of those two is correct and whether to
> "fix" it. I do not know.
>

Unfortunately it's not just a cosmetic problem.  Everytime I try to edit
these personal appointments, Evo complains that it can't edit it because
there are no other attendees.  So it really does think it should be a
meeting.  I usually just go to the web interface to Zimbra to modify the
events.

This is Evo 2.26.2 on Fedora11 talking to a Zimbra server.

P.


_______________________________________________
Evolution-list mailing list
Evolution-list@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

[Pete Biggs]

On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 10:34 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 23:31 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > Perhaps it's something to do with CalDAV??
>
> Hi,
> I do not think so. The code says that as long as the event has set an
> organizer, the meeting icon is shown. The event editor, on the other
> hand, checks whether the event contains attendees, if so, it opens a
> meeting editor, otherwise the event editor.

So one of the criteria for being a "meeting" is that an organizer is
set?

>
> So it depends also on the server/software which created/modified the
> event.

The CalDAV server in this case is Zimbra.

>
> P.S.: Yes, the question is which of those two is correct and whether to
> "fix" it. I do not know.
>

Unfortunately it's not just a cosmetic problem.  Everytime I try to edit
these personal appointments, Evo complains that it can't edit it because
there are no other attendees.  So it really does think it should be a
meeting.  I usually just go to the web interface to Zimbra to modify the
events.

This is Evo 2.26.2 on Fedora11 talking to a Zimbra server.

P.

_______________________________________________
Evolution-list mailing list
Evolution-list@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

[Milan Crha]

        Hi,

On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 12:40 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> So one of the criteria for being a "meeting" is that an organizer is
> set?

One part of code checks for organizer only, the second part for the
attendees only.

> ...
> Unfortunately it's not just a cosmetic problem.  Everytime I try to edit
> these personal appointments, Evo complains that it can't edit it because
> there are no other attendees.  So it really does think it should be a
> meeting.  I usually just go to the web interface to Zimbra to modify the
> events.

Strange, I do not see this, I see the icon for a meeting (for events
created/modified in the web interface), but it still opens events as
appointments, not as meetings. I tried with actual master, though.

Please add a bug report to http://bugzilla.gnome.org and CC me there,
we can try to find out what's going wrong. If you can attach some sample
event which causes issue for you then it'll be great (use Save As in
the popup menu over the event in evolution calendar).
        Thanks,
        Milan


_______________________________________________
Evolution-list mailing list
Evolution-list@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

[Pete Biggs]

>
> >
> > So it depends also on the server/software which created/modified the
> > event.
>
> The CalDAV server in this case is Zimbra.
>
> I don't particularly like doing it, but attached is a screenshot of an
> appointment - it shows a calendar entry with the "meeting" icon on it
> and the event editor for that entry under it.
>

Sorry - that email is largely a duplicate of another I sent - I thought
this one had failed when it didn't show up within a couple of hours -
blaming the attached screenshot, I sent it again with out the
attachment.  Obviously it was just in some moderation queue for a couple
of days.

Sorry peeps.

P.

_______________________________________________
Evolution-list mailing list
Evolution-list@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2009-07-03 at 10:09 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:

> >
> > >
> > > So it depends also on the server/software which created/modified the
> > > event.
> >
> > The CalDAV server in this case is Zimbra.
> >
> > I don't particularly like doing it, but attached is a screenshot of an
> > appointment - it shows a calendar entry with the "meeting" icon on it
> > and the event editor for that entry under it.
> >
>
> Sorry - that email is largely a duplicate of another I sent - I thought
> this one had failed when it didn't show up within a couple of hours -
> blaming the attached screenshot, I sent it again with out the
> attachment.  Obviously it was just in some moderation queue for a couple
> of days.

Note that you can check the list archives if you're not sure your
message has been received. See the URL at the end of every message.

poc

_______________________________________________
Evolution-list mailing list
Evolution-list@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

[Milan Crha]

On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 20:02 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> Please add a bug report to http://bugzilla.gnome.org and CC me there,

Just for a reference, the corresponding bug report is
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=587468
and the fix is in evo master, available since 2.27.6+.
        Bye,
        Milan

_______________________________________________
Evolution-list mailing list
Evolution-list@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list