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by Erik Appeldoorn
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When I use r1 (4/4 time) the sign gets aligned left
in the bar. R1 aligns it properly, but when I want to use r2 at the start (or
R2) of the bar it looks awfull. So how do I align these rests centered? I haven’t done anything fancy Hou je goed / Keep well, Erik _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@... http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user |
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Re: centering rests
by Mats Bengtsson-4
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Always use R instead of r for full measure rests, i.e. R1 in 4/4 and R2
in 2/4. I'm not sure I understand what you mean about the problems with r2/R2, it's always easier to answer your questions in a relevant way if you provide some example of the LilyPond code you have tried. /Mats Erik Appeldoorn wrote: > > When I use r1 (4/4 time) the sign gets aligned left in the bar. R1 > aligns it properly, but when I want to use r2 at the start (or R2) of > the bar it looks awfull. So how do I align these rests centered? > > I haven’t done anything fancy > > //Hou je goed / Keep well,// > > //Erik// > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@... > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing School of Electrical Engineering Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@... WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@... http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user |
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Re: centering rests
by Kieren MacMillan
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Hi Erik,
> when I want to use r2 at the start (or R2) of the bar it looks > awfull. So how do I align these rests centered? > If you mean that you want the (e.g.) half-note rest to be mid-way through the first half of the measure, rather than left-aligned at the first beat, then... you don't/shouldn't. In standard music engraving practice, the full-measure rest is the *only* one that is centered in its [horizontal] duration-space — all other rests are placed at the position where they first happen in the flow of time, just like their sounding-note equivalent(s). Hope this helps! Kieren. _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@... http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user |
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RE: centering rests
by Erik Appeldoorn
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You are quite right, and I have never even bothered to check. Although I
have a quite substantial library and am over 25 years active with music. Erik > -----Original Message----- > From: Kieren MacMillan [mailto:kieren_macmillan@...] > Sent: donderdag 29 oktober 2009 18:29 > To: Erik Appeldoorn > Cc: lilypond-user@... > Subject: Re: centering rests > > Hi Erik, > > when I want to use r2 at the start (or R2) of the bar it looks > > awfull. So how do I align these rests centered? > > > If you mean that you want the (e.g.) half-note rest to be mid-way > through the first half of the measure, rather than left-aligned at > the first beat, then... you don't/shouldn't. > > In standard music engraving practice, the full-measure rest is the > *only* one that is centered in its [horizontal] duration-space - all > other rests are placed at the position where they first happen in the > flow of time, just like their sounding-note equivalent(s). > > Hope this helps! > Kieren.= _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@... http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user |
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Re: centering rests
by Mats Bengtsson-4
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Bertalan Fodor wrote: > I think that's a bug as R2 is not centered. > ??? An R2 is certainly centered within the measure if you have 2/4 time: << \new Staff \relative c'{ \time 2/4 c8 d e f } \new Staff {R2 } >> However, as was pointed out by Kieren, a half note rest in the beginning of a 4/4 measure should be left aligned with the first note of the measure, not centered in the first half of the measure, according to common typesetting practice. /Mats > ---- Original message ---- > From: Erik Appeldoorn <ursus.kirk@...> > Sent: 29 Oct 2009 18:39 +01:00 > To: 'Kieren MacMillan' <kieren_macmillan@...> > Cc: <lilypond-user@...> > Subject: RE: centering rests > > You are quite right, and I have never even bothered to check. Although I > have a quite substantial library and am over 25 years active with music. > > Erik > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kieren MacMillan [mailto:kieren_macmillan@...] >> Sent: donderdag 29 oktober 2009 18:29 >> To: Erik Appeldoorn >> Cc: lilypond-user@... >> Subject: Re: centering rests >> >> Hi Erik, >> >>> when I want to use r2 at the start (or R2) of the bar it looks >>> awfull. So how do I align these rests centered? >>> >>> >> If you mean that you want the (e.g.) half-note rest to be mid-way >> through the first half of the measure, rather than left-aligned at >> the first beat, then... you don't/shouldn't. >> >> In standard music engraving practice, the full-measure rest is the >> *only* one that is centered in its [horizontal] duration-space - all >> other rests are placed at the position where they first happen in the >> flow of time, just like their sounding-note equivalent(s). >> >> Hope this helps! >> Kieren.= >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@... > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@... > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing School of Electrical Engineering Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@... WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@... http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user |
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Re: centering rests
by Mats Bengtsson-4
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Quoting Bertalan Fodor <lilypondtool@...>:
> > But in 4/4 with partial? I don't have access to lily now but i think > i saw that failing. It should still not be centered, should it? The bug/limitation you might have in mind is that you have to play some tricks to make \RemoveEmptyStaffContext remove a line that only has rests, if the line includes a pickup like r4. /Mats > > ---- Original message ---- > From: Mats Bengtsson <mats.bengtsson@...> > Sent: 30 Oct 2009 10:00 +01:00 > To: Bertalan Fodor <lilypondtool@...> > Cc: Erik Appeldoorn <ursus.kirk@...>, <lilypond-user@...> > Subject: Re: centering rests > > > > Bertalan Fodor wrote: >> I think that's a bug as R2 is not centered. >> > ??? An R2 is certainly centered within the measure if you have 2/4 time: > > << > \new Staff \relative c'{ \time 2/4 c8 d e f } > \new Staff {R2 } > >> > > However, as was pointed out by Kieren, a half note rest in the beginning > of a 4/4 measure should be left aligned with the first note of the > measure, not centered in the first half of the measure, according to > common typesetting practice. > > /Mats > >> ---- Original message ---- >> From: Erik Appeldoorn <ursus.kirk@...> >> Sent: 29 Oct 2009 18:39 +01:00 >> To: 'Kieren MacMillan' <kieren_macmillan@...> >> Cc: <lilypond-user@...> >> Subject: RE: centering rests >> >> You are quite right, and I have never even bothered to check. Although I >> have a quite substantial library and am over 25 years active with music. >> >> Erik >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kieren MacMillan [mailto:kieren_macmillan@...] >>> Sent: donderdag 29 oktober 2009 18:29 >>> To: Erik Appeldoorn >>> Cc: lilypond-user@... >>> Subject: Re: centering rests >>> >>> Hi Erik, >>> >>>> when I want to use r2 at the start (or R2) of the bar it looks >>>> awfull. So how do I align these rests centered? >>>> >>>> >>> If you mean that you want the (e.g.) half-note rest to be mid-way >>> through the first half of the measure, rather than left-aligned at >>> the first beat, then... you don't/shouldn't. >>> >>> In standard music engraving practice, the full-measure rest is the >>> *only* one that is centered in its [horizontal] duration-space - all >>> other rests are placed at the position where they first happen in the >>> flow of time, just like their sounding-note equivalent(s). >>> >>> Hope this helps! >>> Kieren.= >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lilypond-user mailing list >> lilypond-user@... >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lilypond-user mailing list >> lilypond-user@... >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user >> > > -- > ============================================= > Mats Bengtsson > Signal Processing > School of Electrical Engineering > Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) > SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM > Sweden > Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 > Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 > Email: mats.bengtsson@... > WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe > ============================================= > > > > > _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@... http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user |
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