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chess and barcelona
Hi,
as a favor for Quim Gil from Maemo I forward two things to you which
might be interesting.
1. The Maemo people are doing a "UX meets Code" Hackfest in Barcelona
in December.
All KDE people are invited. Please see this page if you are interested
to participate.
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend2. Quim is looking for developers to help with a Qt 4.6 based chess
game for Maemo.
Check this page if you want to help:
http://wiki.maemo.org/MiniatureCheers
Frank
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Re: chess and barcelona
A Diumenge, 8 de novembre de 2009, Frank Karlitschek va escriure:
> Hi,
>
> as a favor for Quim Gil from Maemo I forward two things to you which
> might be interesting.
>
>
> 1. The Maemo people are doing a "UX meets Code" Hackfest in Barcelona
> in December.
> All KDE people are invited. Please see this page if you are interested
> to participate.
> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend>
>
> 2. Quim is looking for developers to help with a Qt 4.6 based chess
> game for Maemo.
> Check this page if you want to help:
> http://wiki.maemo.org/MiniatureYou want kde-games-devel@... for KDE games developers, but not sure people
there is interested in doing Qt/Maemo development, since it's really not KDE
development after all.
Albert
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Re: chess and barcelona
On Sunday 08 November 2009 20:56:20 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> A Diumenge, 8 de novembre de 2009, Frank Karlitschek va escriure:
> > Hi,
> >
> > as a favor for Quim Gil from Maemo I forward two things to you which
> > might be interesting.
> >
> >
> > 1. The Maemo people are doing a "UX meets Code" Hackfest in Barcelona
> > in December.
> > All KDE people are invited. Please see this page if you are interested
> > to participate.
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend> >
> >
> > 2. Quim is looking for developers to help with a Qt 4.6 based chess
> > game for Maemo.
> > Check this page if you want to help:
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/Miniature>
> You want kde-games-devel@... for KDE games developers, but not sure
> people there is interested in doing Qt/Maemo development, since it's
> really not KDE development after all.
I think this reasoning is wrong. KDE is not just the desktop environment any
more, it's the toolkit, including kdelibs and the community. Nowadays KDE
applications are cross platform, and the more we can get into the mobile
devices and make our apps run on small form factors the better.
Development for Maemo is just our next frontier.
-Inge
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Re: chess and barcelona
A Diumenge, 8 de novembre de 2009, Inge Wallin va escriure:
> On Sunday 08 November 2009 20:56:20 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > A Diumenge, 8 de novembre de 2009, Frank Karlitschek va escriure:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > as a favor for Quim Gil from Maemo I forward two things to you which
> > > might be interesting.
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. The Maemo people are doing a "UX meets Code" Hackfest in Barcelona
> > > in December.
> > > All KDE people are invited. Please see this page if you are interested
> > > to participate.
> > > http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend> > >
> > >
> > > 2. Quim is looking for developers to help with a Qt 4.6 based chess
> > > game for Maemo.
> > > Check this page if you want to help:
> > > http://wiki.maemo.org/Miniature> >
> > You want kde-games-devel@... for KDE games developers, but not sure
> > people there is interested in doing Qt/Maemo development, since it's
> > really not KDE development after all.
>
> I think this reasoning is wrong. KDE is not just the desktop environment
> any more, it's the toolkit, including kdelibs and the community. Nowadays
> KDE applications are cross platform, and the more we can get into the
> mobile devices and make our apps run on small form factors the better.
>
> Development for Maemo is just our next frontier.
We disagree here :-)
As part of the KDE community I care the less for Maemo until it ships KDE, it
shipping Qt is cool because means i have knowledge to code for it if i feel
like, it gives me more job opportunities, and probably creates more Qt coders
that might or might not end up doing KDE coding but it really doesn't give us
anything, in my opinion, i think it takes coders away from us as people will
stop doing KDE apps because they think the balance between what KDE gives and
the difficulty of running KDE apps on non linux is not worth.
And remember, we've been saying for ages that GTK apps are not Gnome apps,
don't start saying Qt apps are KDE apps because they are not.
Albert
>
> -Inge
>
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Re: chess and barcelona
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Inge Wallin <inge@...> wrote:
On Sunday 08 November 2009 20:56:20 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> A Diumenge, 8 de novembre de 2009, Frank Karlitschek va escriure:
> > Hi,
> >
> > as a favor for Quim Gil from Maemo I forward two things to you which
> > might be interesting.
> >
> >
> > 1. The Maemo people are doing a "UX meets Code" Hackfest in Barcelona
> > in December.
> > All KDE people are invited. Please see this page if you are interested
> > to participate.
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend
> >
> >
> > 2. Quim is looking for developers to help with a Qt 4.6 based chess
> > game for Maemo.
> > Check this page if you want to help:
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/Miniature
>
> You want kde-games-devel@... for KDE games developers, but not sure
> people there is interested in doing Qt/Maemo development, since it's
> really not KDE development after all.
more, it's the toolkit, including kdelibs and the community. Nowadays KDE
applications are cross platform, and the more we can get into the mobile
devices and make our apps run on small form factors the better.
Development for Maemo is just our next frontier.
-Inge
I guess here the wrong reasoning is to create a Qt 4.6 chess game for maemo instead of a KDE(-games) chess that works on maemo, from our point of view at least.
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Re: chess and barcelona
> > > > 2. Quim is looking for developers to help with a Qt 4.6 based chess
> > > > game for Maemo.
> > > > Check this page if you want to help:
> > > > http://wiki.maemo.org/Miniature> > >
> > > You want kde-games-devel@... for KDE games developers, but not sure
> > > people there is interested in doing Qt/Maemo development, since it's
> > > really not KDE development after all.
> >
> > I think this reasoning is wrong. KDE is not just the desktop environment
> > any more, it's the toolkit, including kdelibs and the community.
> > Nowadays KDE applications are cross platform, and the more we can get
> > into the mobile devices and make our apps run on small form factors the
> > better.
> >
> > Development for Maemo is just our next frontier.
>
> We disagree here :-)
>
> As part of the KDE community I care the less for Maemo until it ships KDE,
I thought it was going to be shipping koffice? or am I confused?
> it shipping Qt is cool because means i have knowledge to code for it if i
> feel like, it gives me more job opportunities, and probably creates more
> Qt coders that might or might not end up doing KDE coding but it really
> doesn't give us anything, in my opinion, i think it takes coders away from
> us as people will stop doing KDE apps because they think the balance
> between what KDE gives and the difficulty of running KDE apps on non linux
> is not worth.
so... let's make it not a difficulty? :) and push kdelibs more?
(maemo technically is linux, anyways)
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Re: chess and barcelona
On Sunday 08 November 2009, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> A Diumenge, 8 de novembre de 2009, Inge Wallin va escriure:
> > On Sunday 08 November 2009 20:56:20 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > > A Diumenge, 8 de novembre de 2009, Frank Karlitschek va escriure:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > as a favor for Quim Gil from Maemo I forward two things to you which
> > > > might be interesting.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1. The Maemo people are doing a "UX meets Code" Hackfest in Barcelona
> > > > in December.
> > > > All KDE people are invited. Please see this page if you are
> > > > interested to participate.
> > > > http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2. Quim is looking for developers to help with a Qt 4.6 based chess
> > > > game for Maemo.
> > > > Check this page if you want to help:
> > > > http://wiki.maemo.org/Miniature> > >
> > > You want kde-games-devel@... for KDE games developers, but not sure
> > > people there is interested in doing Qt/Maemo development, since it's
> > > really not KDE development after all.
> >
> > I think this reasoning is wrong. KDE is not just the desktop environment
> > any more, it's the toolkit, including kdelibs and the community.
> > Nowadays KDE applications are cross platform, and the more we can get
> > into the mobile devices and make our apps run on small form factors the
> > better.
> >
> > Development for Maemo is just our next frontier.
>
> We disagree here :-)
>
> As part of the KDE community I care the less for Maemo until it ships KDE,
> it shipping Qt is cool because means i have knowledge to code for it if i
> feel like, it gives me more job opportunities, and probably creates more
well, the opportunity for Maemo to ship KDE should also be created, if we
don't push it i doubt that will happen any day, if we show that using kdelibs
there besides Qt can have clear advantage could instead make it happen, and
being on a potentially successful smartphone platform is indeed -very-
interesting
Cheers,
Marco Martin
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Re: chess and barcelona
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Marco Martin <notmart@...> wrote:
On Sunday 08 November 2009, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> A Diumenge, 8 de novembre de 2009, Inge Wallin va escriure:
> > On Sunday 08 November 2009 20:56:20 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > > A Diumenge, 8 de novembre de 2009, Frank Karlitschek va escriure:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > as a favor for Quim Gil from Maemo I forward two things to you which
> > > > might be interesting.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1. The Maemo people are doing a "UX meets Code" Hackfest in Barcelona
> > > > in December.
> > > > All KDE people are invited. Please see this page if you are
> > > > interested to participate.
> > > > http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2. Quim is looking for developers to help with a Qt 4.6 based chess
> > > > game for Maemo.
> > > > Check this page if you want to help:
> > > > http://wiki.maemo.org/Miniature
> > >
> > > You want kde-games-devel@... for KDE games developers, but not sure
> > > people there is interested in doing Qt/Maemo development, since it's
> > > really not KDE development after all.
> >
> > I think this reasoning is wrong. KDE is not just the desktop environment
> > any more, it's the toolkit, including kdelibs and the community.
> > Nowadays KDE applications are cross platform, and the more we can get
> > into the mobile devices and make our apps run on small form factors the
> > better.
> >
> > Development for Maemo is just our next frontier.
>
> We disagree here :-)
>
> As part of the KDE community I care the less for Maemo until it ships KDE,
> it shipping Qt is cool because means i have knowledge to code for it if i
> feel like, it gives me more job opportunities, and probably creates more
don't push it i doubt that will happen any day, if we show that using kdelibs
there besides Qt can have clear advantage could instead make it happen, and
being on a potentially successful smartphone platform is indeed -very-
interesting
Cheers,
Marco Martin
Sure, but I think that's up to Nokia (not even the maemo community, afaik). So if Nokia decides to trust KDE by introducing our software in their systems KDE will be able to get involved into maemo. Until that happens it's just about choosing who to hack for.
I'm not sure what you mean by push KDE into maemo since I think it's been working there for some time already, never tried that though. Aleix
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Re: chess and barcelona
On Monday 09 November 2009, Aleix Pol wrote:
>
> Sure, but I think that's up to Nokia (not even the maemo community, afaik).
> So if Nokia decides to trust KDE by introducing our software in their
> systems KDE will be able to get involved into maemo. Until that happens
> it's just about choosing who to hack for.
> I'm not sure what you mean by push KDE into maemo since I think it's been
> working there for some time already, never tried that though.
>
> Aleix
>
of course is up to nokia to decide what to use and up to the individual
developers to decide what to hack, what i was saying is more a thing of
promotion.
showing it that's valuable is not just making it compile and start, but making
it compelling, the koffice viewer is a really beautiful example of it.
i don't see it as something that "steals" development to KDE to the pure
benefit of Nokia, is more dedicating attention to devices that aren't the
desktop, something that i believe is a big target for the future.
being pretty on mobile devices wouldn't benefit only maemo, but every
distribution that will target small stuff, so benefit KDE in the end
Cheers,
Marco Martin
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Re: chess and barcelona
On Monday 09 November 2009 20:09:21 Aleix Pol wrote:
> Sure, but I think that's up to Nokia (not even the maemo community, afaik).
> So if Nokia decides to trust KDE by introducing our software in their
> systems KDE will be able to get involved into maemo. Until that happens
> it's just about choosing who to hack for. I'm not sure what you mean by
> push KDE into maemo since I think it's been working there for some time
> already, never tried that though.
I don't think Nokia needs to decide to trust KDE into their systems, it's the user
who does that by installing KDE software he finds attractive, made available through
repositories. This is how Linux distributions, and also Maemo works, and this "you
can install whatever you deem right" is one very interesting aspect of the Maemo
platform (and quite different from other mobile platforms, such as the iPhone).
If you want to make it part of the default installation, that's a different thing
altogether, and indeed in Nokia's hands. To get there, you will have to go through
community-support and show that your stuff is worthwhile and has users.
Those things don't happen just by itself.
--
sebas
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Re: chess and barcelona
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Sebastian Kügler <sebas@...> wrote:
On Monday 09 November 2009 20:09:21 Aleix Pol wrote:
> Sure, but I think that's up to Nokia (not even the maemo community, afaik).
> So if Nokia decides to trust KDE by introducing our software in their
> systems KDE will be able to get involved into maemo. Until that happens
> it's just about choosing who to hack for. I'm not sure what you mean by
> push KDE into maemo since I think it's been working there for some time
> already, never tried that though.
I don't think Nokia needs to decide to trust KDE into their systems, it's the user
who does that by installing KDE software he finds attractive, made available through
repositories. This is how Linux distributions, and also Maemo works, and this "you
can install whatever you deem right" is one very interesting aspect of the Maemo
platform (and quite different from other mobile platforms, such as the iPhone).
If you want to make it part of the default installation, that's a different thing
altogether, and indeed in Nokia's hands. To get there, you will have to go through
community-support and show that your stuff is worthwhile and has users.
Those things don't happen just by itself.
--
sebas
http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9
It's a matter of thresholds. The regular user is not going to install such a big package and definitely won't want to have to configure it. It's true we can push it but pushing it doesn't mean that's going to make it attractive. To show an example, it's something that happens quite a lot in kde-win, people have to download and follow so much steps that make it not seem worth. Nobody wants to install 200Mb for Kate or KBounce. But indeeed, we can help lower barriers in any case.
In any case, Maemo is not just another linux distro, since it's freedom is kind of linked to the device, afaik. BTW, maemo is going to ship some KOffice stuff I read at some point. Is this a stripped-down version or KDE free libraries? Otherwise we would already have some stuff in there.
Thanks, Aleix
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Re: chess and barcelona
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Aleix Pol < aleixpol@...> wrote:
> It's a matter of thresholds. The regular user is not going to install such a
> big package and definitely won't want to have to configure it. It's true we
> can push it but pushing it doesn't mean that's going to make it attractive.
> To show an example, it's something that happens quite a lot in kde-win,
> people have to download and follow so much steps that make it not seem
> worth. Nobody wants to install 200Mb for Kate or KBounce. But indeeed, we
> can help lower barriers in any case.
Yea KDE is currently a platform, we're going to have to think about
how to better modularize kdelibs.
> In any case, Maemo is not just another linux distro, since it's freedom is
> kind of linked to the device, afaik.
Not sure what you mean. Maemo is a Debian-based linux distro no matter
how you look at it. :)
Ian
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Re: chess and barcelona
2009/11/10 Aleix Pol < aleixpol@...>:
> BTW, maemo is going to ship some KOffice stuff I read at some point. Is this
> a stripped-down version or KDE free libraries? Otherwise we would already
> have some stuff in there.
The office viewer for N900 will be a separate download and it will use
a lot of KDE code. However that does not mean that code is present in
the same way as it is on a normal KDE desktop. The KDE code there
might not be reusable for other KDE applications.
Cheers,
Jos
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Re: chess and barcelona
Op Friday 13 November 2009 00:42 schreef u:
> 2009/11/10 Aleix Pol < aleixpol@...>:
> > BTW, maemo is going to ship some KOffice stuff I read at some point. Is this
> > a stripped-down version or KDE free libraries? Otherwise we would already
> > have some stuff in there.
>
> The office viewer for N900 will be a separate download and it will use
> a lot of KDE code. However that does not mean that code is present in
> the same way as it is on a normal KDE desktop. The KDE code there
> might not be reusable for other KDE applications.
Maybe a dumb question. But, if a user needs the whole of kdelibs for a random other application, does that mean the office viewer will still work, or does that have to be uninstalled to be able to install kdelibs-full? Not specifically talking about BC but more from a package pov. If so, would that no cause some troubles?
Toma
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