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Hi all,

in recent years, the Open Source JBoss jBPM product has been developed. It is one of the leading workflow engines. This engine is used for the implementation of efficient working processes within the Java 2EE platform.

 

comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms

For complex content management projects a workflow for publishing documents is an often requested feature. Usually 4-eyes- or 6-eyes-workflows are used. comundus handles these customer inquiries by connecting the open source process framework for the Java 2EE platform with OpenCms.

Please download the pdf document (link below) to get a detailed technical description about the jBPM Workflow Engine. In this document you will find information about how you can use the engine and the key benefits you get from it for your projects.

·         http://www.comundus.com/comundus/web/html/05_Galerien/Downloads/Produktinformationen/DEUTSCH-OpenCms-jBPM-workflow-engine.pdf (deutsche Version)

·         http://www.comundus.com/comundus/web/html/05_Galerien/Downloads/Produktinformationen/ENGLISH-OpenCms-jBPM-workflow-engine.pdf (english version)

·         official comundus jBPM workflow module website (http://www.comundus.com/jbpm-workflow-engine/) in german

 

If you are interested in this module don`t hesitate, contact our Managing Director Mr. Klaus Hillemeier, Tel. 07151 50028-0.
E-Mail: k.hillemeier@....

 

We would like to answer all your inquires. 

 

Best regards

_________________________________________

  

Kai Schliemann

Senior IT-Berater

   

comundus GmbH

Schüttelgrabenring 3, D-71332 Waiblingen

Telefon +49 7151-50028-0

E-Mail g.maas@...

Internet www.comundus.com

 

Geschäftsführer Klaus Hillemeier  

Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 264290

        

comundus ist ein Unternehmen der IT EXCELLENCE Group

_________________________________________

 

 



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Re: comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms

by a.westermann@alkacon.com :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Kai,

do you have any plans to make it available as OpenSource? That would be
great.


Kind Regards,
Achim.

-------------------
Achim Westermann

Alkacon Software GmbH  - The OpenCms Experts
http://www.alkacon.com - http://www.opencms.org




Schliemann, Kai schrieb:

> Hi all,
>
> in recent years, the Open Source JBoss jBPM product has been developed.
> It is one of the leading workflow engines. This engine is used for the
> implementation of efficient working processes within the Java 2EE platform.
>
>  
>
> *comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms*
>
> For complex content management projects a workflow for publishing
> documents is an often requested feature. Usually 4-eyes- or
> 6-eyes-workflows are used. comundus handles these customer inquiries by
> connecting the open source process framework for the Java 2EE platform
> with OpenCms.
>
> Please download the pdf document (link below) to get a detailed
> technical description about the jBPM Workflow Engine. In this document
> you will find information about how you can use the engine and the key
> benefits you get from it for your projects.
>
> ·        
> http://www.comundus.com/comundus/web/html/05_Galerien/Downloads/Produktinformationen/DEUTSCH-OpenCms-jBPM-workflow-engine.pdf 
> (deutsche Version)
>
> ·        
> http://www.comundus.com/comundus/web/html/05_Galerien/Downloads/Produktinformationen/ENGLISH-OpenCms-jBPM-workflow-engine.pdf 
> (english version)
>
> ·         official comundus jBPM workflow module website
> (http://www.comundus.com/jbpm-workflow-engine/) in german
>
>  
>
> If you are interested in this module don`t hesitate, contact our
> Managing Director Mr. Klaus Hillemeier, Tel. 07151 50028-0.
> E-Mail: k.hillemeier@... <mailto:k.hillemeier@...>.
>
>  
>
> We would like to answer all your inquires.
>
>  
>
> *Best regards*
>
> _________________________________________
>
>  
>
> *Kai Schliemann*
>
> Senior IT-Berater
>
>    
>
> *comundus GmbH*
>
> Schüttelgrabenring 3, D-71332 Waiblingen
>
> Telefon +49 7151-50028-0
>
> E-Mail k.schliemann@... <mailto:g.maas@...>
>
> Internet www.comundus.com <http://www.comundus.com/>
>
>  
>
> Geschäftsführer Klaus Hillemeier  
>
> Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 264290
>
>        
>
> comundus ist ein Unternehmen der IT EXCELLENCE Group
>
> _________________________________________
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: comundus connects jBPM workflow engine withOpenCms

by Kai Schliemann :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Achim, hi list,

First of all, this module will be a commercial module similar to the OCEE modules from Alkacon. We don't have a final decision, if it will be Open Source. A decision about this issue will be made by the end of next week.

For pricing and further information please contact Klaus Hillemeier (k.hillemeier@...) directly.

HTH

Best regards
_________________________________________
  
Kai Schliemann
Senior IT-Berater
   
comundus GmbH
Schüttelgrabenring 3, D-71332 Waiblingen
Telefon +49 7151-50028-0
E-Mail k.schliemann@...
Internet www.comundus.com
 
Geschäftsführer Klaus Hillemeier  
Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 264290
        
comundus ist ein Unternehmen der IT EXCELLENCE Group
_________________________________________

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: opencms-dev-bounces@... [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@...] Im Auftrag von Achim Westermann
Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juni 2009 11:46
An: The OpenCms mailing list
Betreff: Re: [opencms-dev] comundus connects jBPM workflow engine withOpenCms

Hi Kai,

do you have any plans to make it available as OpenSource? That would be
great.


Kind Regards,
Achim.

-------------------
Achim Westermann

Alkacon Software GmbH  - The OpenCms Experts
http://www.alkacon.com - http://www.opencms.org




Schliemann, Kai schrieb:

> Hi all,
>
> in recent years, the Open Source JBoss jBPM product has been developed.
> It is one of the leading workflow engines. This engine is used for the
> implementation of efficient working processes within the Java 2EE platform.
>
>  
>
> *comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms*
>
> For complex content management projects a workflow for publishing
> documents is an often requested feature. Usually 4-eyes- or
> 6-eyes-workflows are used. comundus handles these customer inquiries by
> connecting the open source process framework for the Java 2EE platform
> with OpenCms.
>
> Please download the pdf document (link below) to get a detailed
> technical description about the jBPM Workflow Engine. In this document
> you will find information about how you can use the engine and the key
> benefits you get from it for your projects.
>
> ·        
> http://www.comundus.com/comundus/web/html/05_Galerien/Downloads/Produktinformationen/DEUTSCH-OpenCms-jBPM-workflow-engine.pdf 
> (deutsche Version)
>
> ·        
> http://www.comundus.com/comundus/web/html/05_Galerien/Downloads/Produktinformationen/ENGLISH-OpenCms-jBPM-workflow-engine.pdf 
> (english version)
>
> ·         official comundus jBPM workflow module website
> (http://www.comundus.com/jbpm-workflow-engine/) in german
>
>  
>
> If you are interested in this module don`t hesitate, contact our
> Managing Director Mr. Klaus Hillemeier, Tel. 07151 50028-0.
> E-Mail: k.hillemeier@... <mailto:k.hillemeier@...>.
>
>  
>
> We would like to answer all your inquires.
>
>  
>
> *Best regards*
>
> _________________________________________
>
>  
>
> *Kai Schliemann*
>
> Senior IT-Berater
>
>    
>
> *comundus GmbH*
>
> Schüttelgrabenring 3, D-71332 Waiblingen
>
> Telefon +49 7151-50028-0
>
> E-Mail k.schliemann@... <mailto:g.maas@...>
>
> Internet www.comundus.com <http://www.comundus.com/>
>
>  
>
> Geschäftsführer Klaus Hillemeier  
>
> Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 264290
>
>        
>
> comundus ist ein Unternehmen der IT EXCELLENCE Group
>
> _________________________________________
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: comundus connects jBPM workflow engine withOpenCms

by Arash Kaffamanesh :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Kai,

I had a chance to talk with your colleague Markus Maier at OpenCms Days
about this module and he sent me the first description about the module,
which I forwarded to some of my colleagues and clients, the first thing
which they asked was about the availability of the code, so that they
could extend it for their own implementations, so I think to provide it
as commercial open source would be a successful strategie for your
company and also for the community. That would be also great for all
other obfuscated OCEE modules, as I know many of our clients are no more
willing to use obfuscated closed source commercial modules, but they
would be glad to use them as commercial open source module.

In general to mix open source and obfuscated closed source code is not a
good idea and doesn't meet the open source philosophie ;-)

Best,
Arash

Schliemann, Kai schrieb:

> Hi Achim, hi list,
>
> First of all, this module will be a commercial module similar to the OCEE modules from Alkacon. We don't have a final decision, if it will be Open Source. A decision about this issue will be made by the end of next week.
>
> For pricing and further information please contact Klaus Hillemeier (k.hillemeier@...) directly.
>
> HTH
>
> Best regards
> _________________________________________
>    
> Kai Schliemann
> Senior IT-Berater
>    
> comundus GmbH
> Schüttelgrabenring 3, D-71332 Waiblingen
> Telefon +49 7151-50028-0
> E-Mail k.schliemann@...
> Internet www.comundus.com
>  
> Geschäftsführer Klaus Hillemeier  
> Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 264290
>          
> comundus ist ein Unternehmen der IT EXCELLENCE Group
> _________________________________________
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: opencms-dev-bounces@... [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@...] Im Auftrag von Achim Westermann
> Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juni 2009 11:46
> An: The OpenCms mailing list
> Betreff: Re: [opencms-dev] comundus connects jBPM workflow engine withOpenCms
>
> Hi Kai,
>
> do you have any plans to make it available as OpenSource? That would be
> great.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
> Achim.
>
> -------------------
> Achim Westermann
>
> Alkacon Software GmbH  - The OpenCms Experts
> http://www.alkacon.com - http://www.opencms.org
>
>
>
>
> Schliemann, Kai schrieb:
>  
>> Hi all,
>>
>> in recent years, the Open Source JBoss jBPM product has been developed.
>> It is one of the leading workflow engines. This engine is used for the
>> implementation of efficient working processes within the Java 2EE platform.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms*
>>
>> For complex content management projects a workflow for publishing
>> documents is an often requested feature. Usually 4-eyes- or
>> 6-eyes-workflows are used. comundus handles these customer inquiries by
>> connecting the open source process framework for the Java 2EE platform
>> with OpenCms.
>>
>> Please download the pdf document (link below) to get a detailed
>> technical description about the jBPM Workflow Engine. In this document
>> you will find information about how you can use the engine and the key
>> benefits you get from it for your projects.
>>
>> ·        
>> http://www.comundus.com/comundus/web/html/05_Galerien/Downloads/Produktinformationen/DEUTSCH-OpenCms-jBPM-workflow-engine.pdf 
>> (deutsche Version)
>>
>> ·        
>> http://www.comundus.com/comundus/web/html/05_Galerien/Downloads/Produktinformationen/ENGLISH-OpenCms-jBPM-workflow-engine.pdf 
>> (english version)
>>
>> ·         official comundus jBPM workflow module website
>> (http://www.comundus.com/jbpm-workflow-engine/) in german
>>
>>  
>>
>> If you are interested in this module don`t hesitate, contact our
>> Managing Director Mr. Klaus Hillemeier, Tel. 07151 50028-0.
>> E-Mail: k.hillemeier@... <mailto:k.hillemeier@...>.
>>
>>  
>>
>> We would like to answer all your inquires.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Best regards*
>>
>> _________________________________________
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Kai Schliemann*
>>
>> Senior IT-Berater
>>
>>    
>>
>> *comundus GmbH*
>>
>> Schüttelgrabenring 3, D-71332 Waiblingen
>>
>> Telefon +49 7151-50028-0
>>
>> E-Mail k.schliemann@... <mailto:g.maas@...>
>>
>> Internet www.comundus.com <http://www.comundus.com/>
>>
>>  
>>
>> Geschäftsführer Klaus Hillemeier  
>>
>> Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 264290
>>
>>        
>>
>> comundus ist ein Unternehmen der IT EXCELLENCE Group
>>
>> _________________________________________
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> This mail is sent to you from the opencms-dev mailing list
>> To change your list options, or to unsubscribe from the list, please visit
>> http://lists.opencms.org/mailman/listinfo/opencms-dev
>>    
>
>
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Re: comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms

by Kai Schliemann :: Rate this Message:

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Hi all,
thanks for your input on this issue. Here are some news concerning the licensing model.
We decided to license this module under a commercial open source license. Meaning that one has to pay for the module but gets the source code with it.
As some of you already pointed out, this fits very well in an open source environment. Even though you have to pay for the software.
We will keep you up to date on this issue.

Best regards
Kai

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: opencms-dev-bounces@... [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@...] Im Auftrag von Arash Kaffamanesh
Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juni 2009 12:30
An: The OpenCms mailing list
Betreff: Re: [opencms-dev] comundus connects jBPM workflow engine withOpenCms

Hi Kai,

I had a chance to talk with your colleague Markus Maier at OpenCms Days about this module and he sent me the first description about the module, which I forwarded to some of my colleagues and clients, the first thing which they asked was about the availability of the code, so that they could extend it for their own implementations, so I think to provide it as commercial open source would be a successful strategie for your company and also for the community. That would be also great for all other obfuscated OCEE modules, as I know many of our clients are no more willing to use obfuscated closed source commercial modules, but they would be glad to use them as commercial open source module.

In general to mix open source and obfuscated closed source code is not a good idea and doesn't meet the open source philosophie ;-)

Best,
Arash

Schliemann, Kai schrieb:

> Hi Achim, hi list,
>
> First of all, this module will be a commercial module similar to the OCEE modules from Alkacon. We don't have a final decision, if it will be Open Source. A decision about this issue will be made by the end of next week.
>
> For pricing and further information please contact Klaus Hillemeier (k.hillemeier@...) directly.
>
> HTH
>
> Best regards
> _________________________________________
>    
> Kai Schliemann
> Senior IT-Berater
>    
> comundus GmbH
> Schüttelgrabenring 3, D-71332 Waiblingen Telefon +49 7151-50028-0
> E-Mail k.schliemann@... Internet www.comundus.com
>  
> Geschäftsführer Klaus Hillemeier
> Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 264290
>          
> comundus ist ein Unternehmen der IT EXCELLENCE Group
> _________________________________________
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: opencms-dev-bounces@...
> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@...] Im Auftrag von Achim
> Westermann
> Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juni 2009 11:46
> An: The OpenCms mailing list
> Betreff: Re: [opencms-dev] comundus connects jBPM workflow engine
> withOpenCms
>
> Hi Kai,
>
> do you have any plans to make it available as OpenSource? That would
> be great.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
> Achim.
>
> -------------------
> Achim Westermann
>
> Alkacon Software GmbH  - The OpenCms Experts http://www.alkacon.com -
> http://www.opencms.org
>
>
>
>
> Schliemann, Kai schrieb:
>  
>> Hi all,
>>
>> in recent years, the Open Source JBoss jBPM product has been developed.
>> It is one of the leading workflow engines. This engine is used for
>> the implementation of efficient working processes within the Java 2EE platform.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms*
>>
>> For complex content management projects a workflow for publishing
>> documents is an often requested feature. Usually 4-eyes- or
>> 6-eyes-workflows are used. comundus handles these customer inquiries
>> by connecting the open source process framework for the Java 2EE
>> platform with OpenCms.
>>
>> Please download the pdf document (link below) to get a detailed
>> technical description about the jBPM Workflow Engine. In this
>> document you will find information about how you can use the engine
>> and the key benefits you get from it for your projects.
>>
>> ·        
>> http://www.comundus.com/comundus/web/html/05_Galerien/Downloads/Produ
>> ktinformationen/DEUTSCH-OpenCms-jBPM-workflow-engine.pdf
>> (deutsche Version)
>>
>> ·        
>> http://www.comundus.com/comundus/web/html/05_Galerien/Downloads/Produ
>> ktinformationen/ENGLISH-OpenCms-jBPM-workflow-engine.pdf
>> (english version)
>>
>> ·         official comundus jBPM workflow module website
>> (http://www.comundus.com/jbpm-workflow-engine/) in german
>>
>>  
>>
>> If you are interested in this module don`t hesitate, contact our
>> Managing Director Mr. Klaus Hillemeier, Tel. 07151 50028-0.
>> E-Mail: k.hillemeier@... <mailto:k.hillemeier@...>.
>>
>>  
>>
>> We would like to answer all your inquires.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Best regards*
>>
>> _________________________________________
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Kai Schliemann*
>>
>> Senior IT-Berater
>>
>>    
>>
>> *comundus GmbH*
>>
>> Schüttelgrabenring 3, D-71332 Waiblingen
>>
>> Telefon +49 7151-50028-0
>>
>> E-Mail k.schliemann@... <mailto:g.maas@...>
>>
>> Internet www.comundus.com <http://www.comundus.com/>
>>
>>  
>>
>> Geschäftsführer Klaus Hillemeier
>>
>> Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 264290
>>
>>        
>>
>> comundus ist ein Unternehmen der IT EXCELLENCE Group
>>
>> _________________________________________
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> your list options, or to unsubscribe from the list, please visit
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>>    
>
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"commercial open source license" (Re: comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms)

by Andreas Kuckartz :: Rate this Message:

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Schliemann, Kai wrote:

> We decided to license this module under a commercial open source
license. Meaning that one has to pay for the module but gets the source
code with it.

Does your license comply with the criteria contained in The Open Source
Definition (http://opensource.org/docs/osd) ?

Please do not use the term "open source" if that is not the case.

Cheers,
Andreas


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Re: "commercial open source license" (Re: comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms)

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Hi Andreas,
thanks for your hint. I think our license already matches the criteria of Open Source software. But we will recheck that against the criteria of The Open Source Definition.
Regards
Kai


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: opencms-dev-bounces@... [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@...] Im Auftrag von Andreas Kuckartz
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Juli 2009 10:55
An: The OpenCms mailing list
Betreff: [opencms-dev] "commercial open source license" (Re: comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms)

Schliemann, Kai wrote:

> We decided to license this module under a commercial open source
license. Meaning that one has to pay for the module but gets the source
code with it.

Does your license comply with the criteria contained in The Open Source
Definition (http://opensource.org/docs/osd) ?

Please do not use the term "open source" if that is not the case.

Cheers,
Andreas


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Re: comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms

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Hi Kai,

that's a great news and it would be a good idea to provide a live demo
for it, so that business users could have a playground and become
willing to pay for it!

Thanks!

Kind Regards,
Arash

Schliemann, Kai schrieb:

> Hi all,
> thanks for your input on this issue. Here are some news concerning the licensing model.
> We decided to license this module under a commercial open source license. Meaning that one has to pay for the module but gets the source code with it.
> As some of you already pointed out, this fits very well in an open source environment. Even though you have to pay for the software.
> We will keep you up to date on this issue.
>
> Best regards
> Kai
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: opencms-dev-bounces@... [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@...] Im Auftrag von Arash Kaffamanesh
> Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juni 2009 12:30
> An: The OpenCms mailing list
> Betreff: Re: [opencms-dev] comundus connects jBPM workflow engine withOpenCms
>
> Hi Kai,
>
> I had a chance to talk with your colleague Markus Maier at OpenCms Days about this module and he sent me the first description about the module, which I forwarded to some of my colleagues and clients, the first thing which they asked was about the availability of the code, so that they could extend it for their own implementations, so I think to provide it as commercial open source would be a successful strategie for your company and also for the community. That would be also great for all other obfuscated OCEE modules, as I know many of our clients are no more willing to use obfuscated closed source commercial modules, but they would be glad to use them as commercial open source module.
>
> In general to mix open source and obfuscated closed source code is not a good idea and doesn't meet the open source philosophie ;-)
>
> Best,
> Arash
>
> Schliemann, Kai schrieb:
>  
>> Hi Achim, hi list,
>>
>> First of all, this module will be a commercial module similar to the OCEE modules from Alkacon. We don't have a final decision, if it will be Open Source. A decision about this issue will be made by the end of next week.
>>
>> For pricing and further information please contact Klaus Hillemeier (k.hillemeier@...) directly.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Best regards
>> _________________________________________
>>    
>> Kai Schliemann
>> Senior IT-Berater
>>    
>> comundus GmbH
>> Schüttelgrabenring 3, D-71332 Waiblingen Telefon +49 7151-50028-0
>> E-Mail k.schliemann@... Internet www.comundus.com
>>  
>> Geschäftsführer Klaus Hillemeier
>> Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 264290
>>          
>> comundus ist ein Unternehmen der IT EXCELLENCE Group
>> _________________________________________
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: opencms-dev-bounces@...
>> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@...] Im Auftrag von Achim
>> Westermann
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juni 2009 11:46
>> An: The OpenCms mailing list
>> Betreff: Re: [opencms-dev] comundus connects jBPM workflow engine
>> withOpenCms
>>
>> Hi Kai,
>>
>> do you have any plans to make it available as OpenSource? That would
>> be great.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Achim.
>>
>> -------------------
>> Achim Westermann
>>
>> Alkacon Software GmbH  - The OpenCms Experts http://www.alkacon.com -
>> http://www.opencms.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Schliemann, Kai schrieb:
>>  
>>    
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> in recent years, the Open Source JBoss jBPM product has been developed.
>>> It is one of the leading workflow engines. This engine is used for
>>> the implementation of efficient working processes within the Java 2EE platform.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms*
>>>
>>> For complex content management projects a workflow for publishing
>>> documents is an often requested feature. Usually 4-eyes- or
>>> 6-eyes-workflows are used. comundus handles these customer inquiries
>>> by connecting the open source process framework for the Java 2EE
>>> platform with OpenCms.
>>>
>>> Please download the pdf document (link below) to get a detailed
>>> technical description about the jBPM Workflow Engine. In this
>>> document you will find information about how you can use the engine
>>> and the key benefits you get from it for your projects.
>>>
>>> ·        
>>> http://www.comundus.com/comundus/web/html/05_Galerien/Downloads/Produ
>>> ktinformationen/DEUTSCH-OpenCms-jBPM-workflow-engine.pdf
>>> (deutsche Version)
>>>
>>> ·        
>>> http://www.comundus.com/comundus/web/html/05_Galerien/Downloads/Produ
>>> ktinformationen/ENGLISH-OpenCms-jBPM-workflow-engine.pdf
>>> (english version)
>>>
>>> ·         official comundus jBPM workflow module website
>>> (http://www.comundus.com/jbpm-workflow-engine/) in german
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> If you are interested in this module don`t hesitate, contact our
>>> Managing Director Mr. Klaus Hillemeier, Tel. 07151 50028-0.
>>> E-Mail: k.hillemeier@... <mailto:k.hillemeier@...>.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> We would like to answer all your inquires.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Best regards*
>>>
>>> _________________________________________
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Kai Schliemann*
>>>
>>> Senior IT-Berater
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>> *comundus GmbH*
>>>
>>> Schüttelgrabenring 3, D-71332 Waiblingen
>>>
>>> Telefon +49 7151-50028-0
>>>
>>> E-Mail k.schliemann@... <mailto:g.maas@...>
>>>
>>> Internet www.comundus.com <http://www.comundus.com/>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Geschäftsführer Klaus Hillemeier
>>>
>>> Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 264290
>>>
>>>        
>>>
>>> comundus ist ein Unternehmen der IT EXCELLENCE Group
>>>
>>> _________________________________________
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
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Re: comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms

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Hi Arash,
it seems thank you can read our mind. We are currently working on a live demo. Due to some other work we have to do, this will take a few weeks until it is done.

Best regards to Berlin
Kai

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: opencms-dev-bounces@... [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@...] Im Auftrag von Arash Kaffamanesh
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Juli 2009 21:04
An: The OpenCms mailing list
Betreff: Re: [opencms-dev] comundus connects jBPM workflow engine withOpenCms

Hi Kai,

that's a great news and it would be a good idea to provide a live demo for it, so that business users could have a playground and become willing to pay for it!

Thanks!

Kind Regards,
Arash

Schliemann, Kai schrieb:

> Hi all,
> thanks for your input on this issue. Here are some news concerning the licensing model.
> We decided to license this module under a commercial open source license. Meaning that one has to pay for the module but gets the source code with it.
> As some of you already pointed out, this fits very well in an open source environment. Even though you have to pay for the software.
> We will keep you up to date on this issue.
>
> Best regards
> Kai
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: opencms-dev-bounces@...
> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@...] Im Auftrag von Arash
> Kaffamanesh
> Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juni 2009 12:30
> An: The OpenCms mailing list
> Betreff: Re: [opencms-dev] comundus connects jBPM workflow engine
> withOpenCms
>
> Hi Kai,
>
> I had a chance to talk with your colleague Markus Maier at OpenCms Days about this module and he sent me the first description about the module, which I forwarded to some of my colleagues and clients, the first thing which they asked was about the availability of the code, so that they could extend it for their own implementations, so I think to provide it as commercial open source would be a successful strategie for your company and also for the community. That would be also great for all other obfuscated OCEE modules, as I know many of our clients are no more willing to use obfuscated closed source commercial modules, but they would be glad to use them as commercial open source module.
>
> In general to mix open source and obfuscated closed source code is not
> a good idea and doesn't meet the open source philosophie ;-)
>
> Best,
> Arash
>
> Schliemann, Kai schrieb:
>  
>> Hi Achim, hi list,
>>
>> First of all, this module will be a commercial module similar to the OCEE modules from Alkacon. We don't have a final decision, if it will be Open Source. A decision about this issue will be made by the end of next week.
>>
>> For pricing and further information please contact Klaus Hillemeier (k.hillemeier@...) directly.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Best regards
>> _________________________________________
>>    
>> Kai Schliemann
>> Senior IT-Berater
>>    
>> comundus GmbH
>> Schüttelgrabenring 3, D-71332 Waiblingen Telefon +49 7151-50028-0
>> E-Mail k.schliemann@... Internet www.comundus.com
>>  
>> Geschäftsführer Klaus Hillemeier
>> Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 264290
>>          
>> comundus ist ein Unternehmen der IT EXCELLENCE Group
>> _________________________________________
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: opencms-dev-bounces@...
>> [mailto:opencms-dev-bounces@...] Im Auftrag von Achim
>> Westermann
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juni 2009 11:46
>> An: The OpenCms mailing list
>> Betreff: Re: [opencms-dev] comundus connects jBPM workflow engine
>> withOpenCms
>>
>> Hi Kai,
>>
>> do you have any plans to make it available as OpenSource? That would
>> be great.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Achim.
>>
>> -------------------
>> Achim Westermann
>>
>> Alkacon Software GmbH  - The OpenCms Experts http://www.alkacon.com -
>> http://www.opencms.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Schliemann, Kai schrieb:
>>  
>>    
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> in recent years, the Open Source JBoss jBPM product has been developed.
>>> It is one of the leading workflow engines. This engine is used for
>>> the implementation of efficient working processes within the Java 2EE platform.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms*
>>>
>>> For complex content management projects a workflow for publishing
>>> documents is an often requested feature. Usually 4-eyes- or
>>> 6-eyes-workflows are used. comundus handles these customer inquiries
>>> by connecting the open source process framework for the Java 2EE
>>> platform with OpenCms.
>>>
>>> Please download the pdf document (link below) to get a detailed
>>> technical description about the jBPM Workflow Engine. In this
>>> document you will find information about how you can use the engine
>>> and the key benefits you get from it for your projects.
>>>
>>> ·        
>>> http://www.comundus.com/comundus/web/html/05_Galerien/Downloads/Prod
>>> u ktinformationen/DEUTSCH-OpenCms-jBPM-workflow-engine.pdf
>>> (deutsche Version)
>>>
>>> ·        
>>> http://www.comundus.com/comundus/web/html/05_Galerien/Downloads/Prod
>>> u ktinformationen/ENGLISH-OpenCms-jBPM-workflow-engine.pdf
>>> (english version)
>>>
>>> ·         official comundus jBPM workflow module website
>>> (http://www.comundus.com/jbpm-workflow-engine/) in german
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> If you are interested in this module don`t hesitate, contact our
>>> Managing Director Mr. Klaus Hillemeier, Tel. 07151 50028-0.
>>> E-Mail: k.hillemeier@... <mailto:k.hillemeier@...>.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> We would like to answer all your inquires.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Best regards*
>>>
>>> _________________________________________
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Kai Schliemann*
>>>
>>> Senior IT-Berater
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>> *comundus GmbH*
>>>
>>> Schüttelgrabenring 3, D-71332 Waiblingen
>>>
>>> Telefon +49 7151-50028-0
>>>
>>> E-Mail k.schliemann@... <mailto:g.maas@...>
>>>
>>> Internet www.comundus.com <http://www.comundus.com/>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Geschäftsführer Klaus Hillemeier
>>>
>>> Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 264290
>>>
>>>        
>>>
>>> comundus ist ein Unternehmen der IT EXCELLENCE Group
>>>
>>> _________________________________________
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> -
>>> ---
>>>
>>>
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Re: "commercial open source license" (Re: comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms)

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Who appointed opensource.org, to define the term "open source" ?

As I understand copyright laws NO LEGALLY BINDING LICENSE can fulfill those criteria, since they would then violate the creators moral rights, thus making those licenses void.

To me "open source" means that the source is available - nothing more - nothing less.
The information is available to the public, but the terms of its use may be restricted.

Don't listen to those ivory tower aristocrats.

Cheers,

Carl

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Emne: [opencms-dev] "commercial open source license" (Re: comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms)

Schliemann, Kai wrote:

> We decided to license this module under a commercial open source
license. Meaning that one has to pay for the module but gets the source
code with it.

Does your license comply with the criteria contained in The Open Source
Definition (http://opensource.org/docs/osd) ?

Please do not use the term "open source" if that is not the case.

Cheers,
Andreas


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Re: "commercial open source license" (Re: comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms)

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Dear Carl,

Sorry in advance - I know that this kind of discussion is rather dangerous. I don't want to start a big thing here as this is not the right list for it.
Who appointed opensource.org, to define the term "open source" ?
  
Nobody appointed them but the term "open source" was coined to mean "free software" and this site lists a few clear criteria for such software. These criteria are also fulfilled by the licenses of many projects that describe themselves as open source or free software.
As I understand copyright laws NO LEGALLY BINDING LICENSE can fulfill those criteria, since they would then violate the creators moral rights, thus making those licenses void.
Does this mean that you consider the license of opencms to not be binding? If you should have a right to use opencms, then it can only come from those who licensed the code and from you accepting the license - in this case LGPL.

About the "moral rights of the creator": Nobody is forced to license one's work under these terms and nobody is forced to use a work of others that is licensed under these terms. Free software licenses are just licenses: somebody makes a piece of software available under certain conditions that the licensee must fulfill to be allowed to use that software. Also, very importantly, the original copyright holder does _not_ give up any rights - he only grants some non-exclusive rights to others, like any license does. And the copyright holder can individually negotiate completely different terms with different people, sell the copyrighted work to some under commercial licenses with totally different terms, etc. There are lots of projects that are dual-licensed. Then the licensee can usually choose to either pay and accept the commercial terms or not pay and accept the open source terms.

Even Microsoft has licensed a few small programs in a way that matches the list on opensource.org and the whole foundation of MacOS is licensed under a BSD-Style license. And of course, there is Firefox, Safari, Chrome, Eclipse, Netbeans, Tomcat, the upcoming Java 7, Lucene, etc. Of course, nobody is forced to use any of these, but it surely is good software.

By the way: I am not telling anybody which license to choose and how many rights or obligations someone someone should grant - this is completely the choice of the creator of a work. But if a license does not allow redistribution of modified code, then it might be clearer to say "this is commercial software, but when you buy it, it also comes with the source code". Then everybody knows, what to expect.

Of course, we can just agree to disagree on any of these points. :-)   By the way: nothing here is intended as a personal attack or something like that.

Best Regards
Christian
To me "open source" means that the source is available - nothing more - nothing less.
The information is available to the public, but the terms of its use may be restricted.

Don't listen to those ivory tower aristocrats.

Cheers,

Carl

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Schliemann, Kai wrote:

  
We decided to license this module under a commercial open source
    
license. Meaning that one has to pay for the module but gets the source
code with it.

Does your license comply with the criteria contained in The Open Source
Definition (http://opensource.org/docs/osd) ?

Please do not use the term "open source" if that is not the case.

Cheers,
Andreas


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Re: "commercial open source license" (Re: comundus connects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms)

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Hi Carl, Christian and list,

I am no expert about open source or licenses, but I am glad that such a debate is faced with clear, detailed and respectful comments. I can't find anything "aristocratic" in what Christian says, and I am quite positive that Comundus guys themselves are not offended because their possible alternatives are considered and respected. This is by the way also no personal attack whatsoever. Thanks to Christian, Carl and the rest of the list for their opinions. Greetings,

Nacho Fernandez.


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Re: "commercial open source license" (Re: comundusconnects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms)

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I was referring to the criteria listed at opensource.org, and to them (IMHO) hijacking the term “open source” to also require things like “freeware” etc.

 

E.g. I don’t think the LGPL license fulfills the criteria.

 

And concerning “moral rights” – the whole idea about the concept of “moral rights” (or “droit moral” if you prefer) is that they cannot be taken away by any other means than changing the law granting them. This includes with the consent of the owner.

 

Sorry if it was unclear what I was criticizing

 

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Hi Carl, Christian and list,

 

I am no expert about open source or licenses, but I am glad that such a debate is faced with clear, detailed and respectful comments. I can't find anything "aristocratic" in what Christian says, and I am quite positive that Comundus guys themselves are not offended because their possible alternatives are considered and respected. This is by the way also no personal attack whatsoever. Thanks to Christian, Carl and the rest of the list for their opinions. Greetings,

 

Nacho Fernandez.



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Re: "commercial open source license" (Re: comundusconnects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms)

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Carl Alex Friis Nielsen wrote:

> I was referring to the criteria listed at opensource.org,
> and to them (IMHO) hijacking the term “open source”

You might like to read this text:

History of the OSI
http://opensource.org/history

> to also require things like “freeware” etc.

I am sorry but I do not understand what you mean by that. Maybe you can
name those OSI criteria which you object to.

> E.g. I don’t think the LGPL license fulfills the criteria.

You did not tell us which of the criteria are not fulfilled by LGPL
based on your analysis. In any case the Open Source Initiative does not
agree with you:

"The following licenses have been approved by the OSI via the License
Review Process.
...
GNU Library or "Lesser" General Public License (LGPL)
GNU Library or "Lesser" General Public License version 3.0 (LGPLv3)
..."
http://opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical

Cheers,
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Re: "commercial open source license" (Re: comundusconnects jBPM workflow engine with OpenCms)

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Dear Carl, Dear Andreas
to also require things like “freeware” etc.
    

I am sorry but I do not understand what you mean by that. Maybe you can
name those OSI criteria which you object to.
  
I would also be interested in this.

I have previously heard the objection that some open source licenses conflict with people's moral rights. In law there are also certain rights that cannot be given away even by contract, but I don't know where common open source licenses would violate these rights (I am not a Lawyer, though).

I would be very interested in a link that explains which moral rights exactly are violated by which terms of one of the more common licenses but are not violated by, for example licensing a piece of software in a commercial fashion for others to build on, because I am trying to better understand this objection.

Thanks and Regards
Christian




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