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considering how slow and bloated every mozilla app is..
by gperry
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..I'm very surprised that this group is virtually empty.
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Re: considering how slow and bloated every mozilla app is..
by Boris Zbarsky
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gperry wrote:
> ..I'm very surprised that this group is virtually empty. Most performance discussion happens in bugs and on irc. This group is not really used as a venue for communicating about performance issues (and we should probably just get rid of it, I guess). That said, do you have specific numbers/examples to support your "bloated" assertion? For that matter, do you have specific issues that you describe as "slow"? A general "slow" is not an actionable item. -Boris _______________________________________________ dev-performance mailing list dev-performance@... https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-performance |
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Re: considering how slow and bloated every mozilla app is..
by gperry
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On 30/08/2009 16:15, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
> That said, do you have specific numbers/examples to support your > "bloated" assertion? FF is currently at 150meg, it'll 300 before long and I'll have to close. Those figures are normal for FF atm. TB and Lightning are 160meg. Outlook is running along side it with the same imap accounts and remote calendars and it's just over 35meg (and it's way faster). For that matter, do you have specific issues that > you describe as "slow"? A general "slow" is not an actionable item. > > -Boris -Page laods are slow in FF, slower than even IE. Chrome and Opera make FF look like a joke. -javascript performance is horrible -When pages are loading, the rest of the interface is unresponsive. In fact is takes so much processor priority as too jam up the entire operating system. -'complex' webpages jam up the browser, leading to slow scrolling and slow inteface. By 'complex' I mean a little bit of javascript or an image table with a few effects, or some text decoration here and there. -It takes over 3 minutes for thunderbird and lightning to start up, and they are unresponsive during that time. remote calendars reload multiple times, windows will white out the window as it becomes un responsive (multiple times), cpu usage will get stuck at 50%+, it slows downs the rest of the OS, it's only in the last minute or so that it actually starts pulling down email. -after it's loaded, lightning is still painfully slow. every page scroll requires multiple, intensive calendar redraws/refreshs -despite having spent so long starting up, it still doesn't pull down rss feeds at start up, instead leaving it 5-10minutes after startup. The list goes on. And they are all obvious and well known ones. The fact you'd even have to ask means that, if you are a developer, you are a badly out of touch one. I read through these dev forums excepting to see performance being at the very top of the agenda, seeing as how firefox made it's name on being fast and it is now almost as slow as IE (and in some respects slower), but a cursory glance tells me that the devs are far more concerned with a fancy new UI. _______________________________________________ dev-performance mailing list dev-performance@... https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-performance |
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Re: considering how slow and bloated every mozilla app is..
by Martijn-4
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On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 6:53 PM, gperry<me@...> wrote:
> On 30/08/2009 16:15, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > >> That said, do you have specific numbers/examples to support your >> "bloated" assertion? > > FF is currently at 150meg, it'll 300 before long and I'll have to close. > Those figures are normal for FF atm. > TB and Lightning are 160meg. Outlook is running along side it with the same > imap accounts and remote calendars and it's just over 35meg (and it's way > faster). > > > For that matter, do you have specific issues that >> >> you describe as "slow"? A general "slow" is not an actionable item. >> >> -Boris > > -Page laods are slow in FF, slower than even IE. Chrome and Opera make FF > look like a joke. > -javascript performance is horrible > -When pages are loading, the rest of the interface is unresponsive. In fact > is takes so much processor priority as too jam up the entire operating > system. > -'complex' webpages jam up the browser, leading to slow scrolling and slow > inteface. By 'complex' I mean a little bit of javascript or an image table > with a few effects, or some text decoration here and there. > > -It takes over 3 minutes for thunderbird and lightning to start up, and they > are unresponsive during that time. remote calendars reload multiple times, > windows will white out the window as it becomes un responsive (multiple > times), cpu usage will get stuck at 50%+, it slows downs the rest of the OS, > it's only in the last minute or so that it actually starts pulling down > email. > -after it's loaded, lightning is still painfully slow. every page scroll > requires multiple, intensive calendar redraws/refreshs > -despite having spent so long starting up, it still doesn't pull down rss > feeds at start up, instead leaving it 5-10minutes after startup. > > > The list goes on. And they are all obvious and well known ones. The fact > you'd even have to ask means that, if you are a developer, you are a badly > out of touch one. > > I read through these dev forums excepting to see performance being at the > very top of the agenda, seeing as how firefox made it's name on being fast > and it is now almost as slow as IE (and in some respects slower), but a > cursory glance tells me that the devs are far more concerned with a fancy > new UI. Do you have any extensions installed? Do you use a different theme than the default one? What cpu speed do you have? Regards, Martijn > _______________________________________________ > dev-performance mailing list > dev-performance@... > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-performance > -- Martijn Wargers - Help Mozilla! http://quality.mozilla.org/ http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mozilla_QA_Community irc://irc.mozilla.org/qa - /nick mw22 _______________________________________________ dev-performance mailing list dev-performance@... https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-performance |
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Re: considering how slow and bloated every mozilla app is..
by Mike Beltzner
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On 30-Aug-09, at 1:08 PM, Martijn wrote:
> Do you have any extensions installed? Do you use a different theme > than the default one? > What cpu speed do you have? If these are the problems the user should go to http://support.mozilla.com My impression is that while well-intentioned, we're just feeding a troll here. Let's not. cheers, mike _______________________________________________ dev-performance mailing list dev-performance@... https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-performance |
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Re: considering how slow and bloated every mozilla app is..
by Chris Hofmann-3
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Martijn wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 6:53 PM, gperry<me@...> wrote: > >> On 30/08/2009 16:15, Boris Zbarsky wrote: >> >> >>> That said, do you have specific numbers/examples to support your >>> "bloated" assertion? >>> >> FF is currently at 150meg, it'll 300 before long and I'll have to close. >> Those figures are normal for FF atm. >> not saying this to be defensive. detailed and specific examples and test beyond what you list below is what we need to take actionable steps. >> TB and Lightning are 160meg. Outlook is running along side it with the same >> imap accounts and remote calendars and it's just over 35meg (and it's way >> faster). >> >> >> For that matter, do you have specific issues that >> >>> you describe as "slow"? A general "slow" is not an actionable item. >>> >>> -Boris >>> >> -Page laods are slow in FF, slower than even IE. Chrome and Opera make FF >> look like a joke. >> >> by how much? >> -javascript performance is horrible >> on which bench mark or page? >> -When pages are loading, the rest of the interface is unresponsive. In fact >> is takes so much processor priority as too jam up the entire operating >> system. >> which pages? good test cases needed/wanted. >> -'complex' webpages jam up the browser, leading to slow scrolling and slow >> inteface. By 'complex' I mean a little bit of javascript or an image table >> with a few effects, or some text decoration here and there. >> >> which pages or test cases show this? can you point at one or put one together? >> -It takes over 3 minutes for thunderbird and lightning to start up, and they >> are unresponsive during that time. remote calendars reload multiple times, >> windows will white out the window as it becomes un responsive (multiple >> times), cpu usage will get stuck at 50%+, it slows downs the rest of the OS, >> it's only in the last minute or so that it actually starts pulling down >> email. >> -after it's loaded, lightning is still painfully slow. every page scroll >> requires multiple, intensive calendar redraws/refreshs >> -despite having spent so long starting up, it still doesn't pull down rss >> feeds at start up, instead leaving it 5-10minutes after startup. >> >> >> The list goes on. And they are all obvious and well known ones. The fact >> you'd even have to ask means that, if you are a developer, you are a badly >> out of touch one. >> >> I read through these dev forums excepting to see performance being at the >> very top of the agenda, seeing as how firefox made it's name on being fast >> and it is now almost as slow as IE (and in some respects slower), but a >> cursory glance tells me that the devs are far more concerned with a fancy >> new UI. >> > > Do you have any extensions installed? Do you use a different theme > than the default one? > What cpu speed do you have? > > -chofmann > Regards, > Martijn > > >> _______________________________________________ >> dev-performance mailing list >> dev-performance@... >> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-performance >> >> > > > > dev-performance mailing list dev-performance@... https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-performance |
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Re: considering how slow and bloated every mozilla app is..
by Mike Beltzner
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On 30-Aug-09, at 2:25 PM, gperry wrote:
> I am not looking for support, I don't need it. I'm just surprised to > see so little performance related development despite reading, on > nearly every forum, I visit a continually stream of I've already pointed you to other forums where discussion is taking place, and encourage you to review and contribute in any of the discussions there. We discuss performance weekly at our development meeting. If you're interested, here are some links: bugs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=sw:%22[ts%22 project details: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Projects/Startup_Time_Improvements meeting notes: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2009-08-25#Startup_Performance https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2009-08-18#Startup_Performance The specific issues you are seeing are not commonplace, and all due respect, you're misreading the memory values between applications and not comparing apples to apples (for instance, the firefox.exe process also reports memory consumed by plugins, which iexplore.exe and chrome.exe do not). If I've misread your tone, and you actually do wish to get involved and assist, I apologize and look forward to your contributions. However, your existing tone has been hostile and sarcastic to date, and I'm not really interested in getting into arguments about whether or not the Mozilla community cares about performance or its users. You're free to believe as you wish, and contribute if it's within your interest. If you merely wish to complain, consider it registered and choose to believe what you will about our desire to fix the issue. cheers, mike _______________________________________________ dev-performance mailing list dev-performance@... https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-performance |
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Re: considering how slow and bloated every mozilla app is..
by gperry
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On 30/08/2009 19:47, gperry wrote:
> On 30/08/2009 18:08, Martijn wrote: > here, if further prove were needed that extensions make little > difference to the bloat, here is firefox after 5 minutes of randamly > opening and closing sites, no extensions, no themes. > http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v91/c0ldfury/?action=view¤t=Capture-1.jpg > apologies; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/c0ldfury/Capture-1.jpg _______________________________________________ dev-performance mailing list dev-performance@... https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-performance |
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Re: considering how slow and bloated every mozilla app is..
by gperry
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On 30/08/2009 19:47, gperry wrote:
> On 30/08/2009 18:08, Martijn wrote: > >> Do you have any extensions installed? Do you use a different theme >> than the default one? >> What cpu speed do you have? >> >> Regards, >> Martijn >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dev-performance mailing list >>> dev-performance@... >>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-performance >>> >> >> >> > here, if further prove were needed that extensions make little > difference to the bloat, here is firefox after 5 minutes of randamly > opening and closing sites, no extensions, no themes. > http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v91/c0ldfury/?action=view¤t=Capture-1.jpg > _______________________________________________ dev-performance mailing list dev-performance@... https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-performance |
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Re: considering how slow and bloated every mozilla app is..
by Boris Zbarsky
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gperry wrote:
> here, if further prove were needed that extensions make little > difference to the bloat, here is firefox after 5 minutes of randamly > opening and closing sites, no extensions, no themes. > http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v91/c0ldfury/?action=view¤t=Capture-1.jpg Interesting. That doesn't match my experience at all, but certainly looks like a real issue. I assume this is Firefox 3.5.x? Do you think you can send me the list of sites loaded during that session? Is there a bug filed? > Do those plugins account for the 100s of megs of aculated bloat that > FF carries with it? Some Flash versions leak like a sieves, so "maybe", depending on what you're doing, which exact plug-in versions you're using, which Firefox version you're using, etc... -Boris _______________________________________________ dev-performance mailing list dev-performance@... https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-performance |
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Re: considering how slow and bloated every mozilla app is..
by gperry
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>> which pages or test cases show this? can you point at one or put one >> together? > Next time I come across one I'll post it here. > http://twitter.com/rbmax http://twitter.com/** for that matter. _______________________________________________ dev-performance mailing list dev-performance@... https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-performance |
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