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by Al Grant :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Guys,

I am running Ubuntu. I have booting off sda.

sdb is a NTFS based disk with errors. I want to clone it as best as possible to sdc. sdc is a brand new disk, not containing any partitions or initalised etc. sdc is heaps bigger that sdb.

When I try "sudo ddrescue -v /dev/sdb/ /dev/sdc logfile"

I get "no space left on device"

I asusme its something to do with the new disk, maybe having to copy/mount in raw? please help.

Cheers

-AL

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by andrew zajac-2 :: Rate this Message:

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To do what you want to do, no, you don't have to have the drive partitioned or formatted.  What you are doing should work.

Are you sure that sdc is the correct device?

What does

sudo lshw -C disk -short

show?


 
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From: Al Grant <bigal.nz@...>
Subject: [Bug-ddrescue] ddrescue - disk 2 disk (ntfs)
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Received: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 4:07 AM


Hi Guys,

I am running Ubuntu. I have booting off sda.

sdb is a NTFS based disk with errors. I want to clone it as best as possible
to sdc. sdc is a brand new disk, not containing any partitions or initalised
etc. sdc is heaps bigger that sdb.

When I try "sudo ddrescue -v /dev/sdb/ /dev/sdc logfile"

I get "no space left on device"

I asusme its something to do with the new disk, maybe having to copy/mount
in raw? please help.

Cheers

-AL

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Re: ddrescue - disk 2 disk (ntfs)

by Al Grant :: Rate this Message:

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al@al-linux:~$ sudo lshw -C disk -short
H/W path              Device     Class          Description
===========================================================
/0/100/f.1/0.0.0      /dev/sda   disk           40GB WDC WD400BB-00JH
/0/1/0.0.0            /dev/sdb   disk           SCSI Disk
/0/2/0.0.0            /dev/sdc   disk           SCSI Disk
al@al-linux:~$

al@al-linux:~$ sudo fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 40.0 GB, 40020664320 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4865 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xaf010487

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1        4702    37768783+  83  Linux
/dev/sda2            4703        4865     1309297+   5  Extended
/dev/sda5            4703        4865     1309266   82  Linux swap / Solaris
al@al-linux:~$

HTH

Cheers

-Al




andrew zajac-2 wrote:
To do what you want to do, no, you don't have to have the drive partitioned or formatted.  What you are doing should work.

Are you sure that sdc is the correct device?

What does

sudo lshw -C disk -short

show?


 
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From: Al Grant <bigal.nz@gmail.com>
Subject: [Bug-ddrescue] ddrescue - disk 2 disk (ntfs)
To: Bug-ddrescue@gnu.org
Received: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 4:07 AM


Hi Guys,

I am running Ubuntu. I have booting off sda.

sdb is a NTFS based disk with errors. I want to clone it as best as possible
to sdc. sdc is a brand new disk, not containing any partitions or initalised
etc. sdc is heaps bigger that sdb.

When I try "sudo ddrescue -v /dev/sdb/ /dev/sdc logfile"

I get "no space left on device"

I asusme its something to do with the new disk, maybe having to copy/mount
in raw? please help.

Cheers

-AL

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by andrew zajac-2 :: Rate this Message:

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>
> When I try "sudo ddrescue -v /dev/sdb/ /dev/sdc logfile"
>
> I get "no space left on device"


Get rid of the trailing slash on /dev/sdb/

sudo ddrescue -v /dev/sdb /dev/sdc logfile

Maybe that's the problem.



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Re: ddrescue - disk 2 disk (ntfs)

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Al Grant <bigal.nz@...> schreibt am 11.7.2009 10:07 Uhr:

> When I try "sudo ddrescue -v /dev/sdb/ /dev/sdc logfile"
>
> I get "no space left on device"
>
> I asusme its something to do with the new disk, maybe having to copy/mount
> in raw? please help.

Maybe the error is not about writing to sdc but about writing the logfile.

What is your current working directory (pwd)?
What happens if you try: echo test >> logfile

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Re: ddrescue - disk 2 disk (ntfs)

by Al Grant :: Rate this Message:

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Hi,
Well the plot thickens I have given up trying to clone the drives but are now trying simply to create a bin file of the bad drive.

This is what happens so far:

1. Initally I was using a USB-SATA bridge, and mounting a 250Gb NTFS drive, and trying to image the 160Gb PATA drive. The PATA drive was not mounted. The NTFS drive is mounted to /storage.

The problem with this was that it was very slow and every day or so it would stop or the computer would freeze. I estimated it was going to take about 7 days doing 25Gb/day. I was using this command:

sudo ddrescue -v /dev/sdb /storage test.bin testlog

2. So I went out and brought a SATA/PATA PCI card to make things easier.

Now the bad disk is plugged into the motherboard PATA controller and the target SATA drive is on its own PCI card controller.

Again I was mounting the good drive to /storage and issuing a similar command to above. Heres whats strange:

(a) I can see the image file created so far. Its 3Gb. If I restart the rescue, with the same parameters, so it should resume the 3Gb doesnt get any bigger, even tho the output window of ddrescue tells me its rescued 2200Mb. Now I know i am writing to the 3Gb file because the time stamp is changing.

What is also weird is how small the log file is, its only about 30 lines - I assume for 2200Gb it should be much bigger???

And whats more I left this running overnight (I was connected via a remote desktop session) - when I went to check on it in the morning the remote session was dead and logging into the computer when infront of it started a new session, so I am not really sure what was happening, if anything, in the old session.

So....I think I am geting closer but not sure if the crashing is the computer, the remote session or ddrescue.

Any ideas?

Anyone here on skype able help via IM?

Also anyone know how to reconnect to a dead remote session without starting a new one?

THanks in advance,
-Al

MacXperte wrote:
Al Grant <bigal.nz@gmail.com> schreibt am 11.7.2009 10:07 Uhr:

> When I try "sudo ddrescue -v /dev/sdb/ /dev/sdc logfile"
>
> I get "no space left on device"
>
> I asusme its something to do with the new disk, maybe having to copy/mount
> in raw? please help.

Maybe the error is not about writing to sdc but about writing the logfile.

What is your current working directory (pwd)?
What happens if you try: echo test >> logfile

Florian



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Al Grant <bigal.nz@...> schreibt am 11.7.2009 10:07 Uhr:

> When I try "sudo ddrescue -v /dev/sdb/ /dev/sdc logfile"
>
> I get "no space left on device"
>
> I asusme its something to do with the new disk, maybe having to copy/mount
> in raw? please help.

From your earlier results from fdisk -l it seems that the OS isn't seeing
the new drive, it should be listed even without any partitions defined. Also
the fact the lshw listing doesn't show the disk model etc also suggests an
issue.  As a wild guess these aren't SATA2 disk attached to a SATA1
controller are they - some SATA1 controllers won't work with SATA 2 disks,
if they are desktop disks then there should be a jumper to limit them to
SATA 1 speeds. If they are laptop ones you will need to get a new
controller.... based on bitter experience VT6421A cards don't work SIL3114
ones do...

David




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Re: ddrescue - disk 2 disk (ntfs)

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Your syntax does not seem correct, I think this command would image sdb to /storage and save a log file to test.bin you it may be a transcription typo, and you could try copying the good areas first.

sudo ddrescue -v /dev/sdb /storage test.bin testlog


suggestion:

copy the error free areas first

    ddrescue -n /dev/sdb /storage/test.bin testlog

attempt to recover any bad sectors

    ddrescue -r 1 /dev/sdb /storage/test.bin testlog





On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Al Grant <bigal.nz@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
Well the plot thickens I have given up trying to clone the drives but are
now trying simply to create a bin file of the bad drive.

This is what happens so far:

1. Initally I was using a USB-SATA bridge, and mounting a 250Gb NTFS drive,
and trying to image the 160Gb PATA drive. The PATA drive was not mounted.
The NTFS drive is mounted to /storage.

The problem with this was that it was very slow and every day or so it would
stop or the computer would freeze. I estimated it was going to take about 7
days doing 25Gb/day. I was using this command:

sudo ddrescue -v /dev/sdb /storage test.bin testlog

2. So I went out and brought a SATA/PATA PCI card to make things easier.

Now the bad disk is plugged into the motherboard PATA controller and the
target SATA drive is on its own PCI card controller.

Again I was mounting the good drive to /storage and issuing a similar
command to above. Heres whats strange:

(a) I can see the image file created so far. Its 3Gb. If I restart the
rescue, with the same parameters, so it should resume the 3Gb doesnt get any
bigger, even tho the output window of ddrescue tells me its rescued 2200Mb.
Now I know i am writing to the 3Gb file because the time stamp is changing.

What is also weird is how small the log file is, its only about 30 lines - I
assume for 2200Gb it should be much bigger???

And whats more I left this running overnight (I was connected via a remote
desktop session) - when I went to check on it in the morning the remote
session was dead and logging into the computer when infront of it started a
new session, so I am not really sure what was happening, if anything, in the
old session.

So....I think I am geting closer but not sure if the crashing is the
computer, the remote session or ddrescue.

Any ideas?

Anyone here on skype able help via IM?

Also anyone know how to reconnect to a dead remote session without starting
a new one?

THanks in advance,
-Al


MacXperte wrote:
>
> Al Grant <bigal.nz@gmail.com> schreibt am 11.7.2009 10:07 Uhr:
>
>> When I try "sudo ddrescue -v /dev/sdb/ /dev/sdc logfile"
>>
>> I get "no space left on device"
>>
>> I asusme its something to do with the new disk, maybe having to
>> copy/mount
>> in raw? please help.
>
> Maybe the error is not about writing to sdc but about writing the logfile.
>
> What is your current working directory (pwd)?
> What happens if you try: echo test >> logfile
>
> Florian
>
>
>
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Re: ddrescue - disk 2 disk (ntfs)

by Al Grant :: Rate this Message:

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I will try those thanks.

I am imagining sdb (since drive assignments have changed since my first post).

I still dont understand why it crashes tho, I definitly want to image sdb...it may take a while with my inital settings, but why did it crash?

-Al


Tom-331 wrote:
Your syntax does not seem correct, I think this command would image sdb to
/storage and save a log file to test.bin you it may be a transcription typo,
and you could try copying the good areas first.

sudo ddrescue -v /dev/sdb /storage test.bin testlog


suggestion:

copy the error free areas first

    ddrescue -n /dev/sdb /storage/test.bin testlog

attempt to recover any bad sectors

    ddrescue -r 1 /dev/sdb /storage/test.bin testlog





On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Al Grant <bigal.nz@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi,
> Well the plot thickens I have given up trying to clone the drives but are
> now trying simply to create a bin file of the bad drive.
>
> This is what happens so far:
>
> 1. Initally I was using a USB-SATA bridge, and mounting a 250Gb NTFS drive,
> and trying to image the 160Gb PATA drive. The PATA drive was not mounted.
> The NTFS drive is mounted to /storage.
>
> The problem with this was that it was very slow and every day or so it
> would
> stop or the computer would freeze. I estimated it was going to take about 7
> days doing 25Gb/day. I was using this command:
>
> sudo ddrescue -v /dev/sdb /storage test.bin testlog
>
> 2. So I went out and brought a SATA/PATA PCI card to make things easier.
>
> Now the bad disk is plugged into the motherboard PATA controller and the
> target SATA drive is on its own PCI card controller.
>
> Again I was mounting the good drive to /storage and issuing a similar
> command to above. Heres whats strange:
>
> (a) I can see the image file created so far. Its 3Gb. If I restart the
> rescue, with the same parameters, so it should resume the 3Gb doesnt get
> any
> bigger, even tho the output window of ddrescue tells me its rescued 2200Mb.
> Now I know i am writing to the 3Gb file because the time stamp is changing.
>
> What is also weird is how small the log file is, its only about 30 lines -
> I
> assume for 2200Gb it should be much bigger???
>
> And whats more I left this running overnight (I was connected via a remote
> desktop session) - when I went to check on it in the morning the remote
> session was dead and logging into the computer when infront of it started a
> new session, so I am not really sure what was happening, if anything, in
> the
> old session.
>
> So....I think I am geting closer but not sure if the crashing is the
> computer, the remote session or ddrescue.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Anyone here on skype able help via IM?
>
> Also anyone know how to reconnect to a dead remote session without starting
> a new one?
>
> THanks in advance,
> -Al
>
>
> MacXperte wrote:
> >
> > Al Grant <bigal.nz@gmail.com> schreibt am 11.7.2009 10:07 Uhr:
> >
> >> When I try "sudo ddrescue -v /dev/sdb/ /dev/sdc logfile"
> >>
> >> I get "no space left on device"
> >>
> >> I asusme its something to do with the new disk, maybe having to
> >> copy/mount
> >> in raw? please help.
> >
> > Maybe the error is not about writing to sdc but about writing the
> logfile.
> >
> > What is your current working directory (pwd)?
> > What happens if you try: echo test >> logfile
> >
> > Florian
> >
> >
> >
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Re: ddrescue - disk 2 disk (ntfs)

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Tom-331 wrote:
Your syntax does not seem correct, I think this command would image sdb to
/storage and save a log file to test.bin you it may be a transcription typo,
and you could try copying the good areas first.

sudo ddrescue -v /dev/sdb /storage test.bin testlog

suggestion:

copy the error free areas first

    ddrescue -n /dev/sdb /storage/test.bin testlog

attempt to recover any bad sectors

    ddrescue -r 1 /dev/sdb /storage/test.bin testlog
Tom,

Between reinstalling Ubuntu and running it with -n I have imaged the whole drive. I am now trying the bad areas with -r1.

I assume I can interuppt at any stage with CTRL-C without causing problems?

Thanks

-AL


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Thigns are going well, but I was wondering, here is what I ran for the second run to get data of the parts of the disk with errors:

al@al-ubuntu:~$ sudo ddrescue -r1 -v /dev/sdb /storage/test.bin testlog

About to copy 160041 MBytes from /dev/sdb to /storage/test.bin
    Starting positions: infile = 0 B,  outfile = 0 B
    Copy block size: 128 hard blocks
Hard block size: 512 bytes
Max_retries: 1    Split: yes    Truncate: no

Press Ctrl-C to interrupt
Initial status (read from logfile)
rescued:   160040 MB,  errsize:   1507 kB,  errors:     629
Current status
rescued:   160041 MB,  errsize:    757 kB,  current rate:        0 B/s
   ipos:     4363 MB,   errors:    1480,    average rate:       17 B/s
   opos:     4363 MB
                             
Now if I read this correctly, it read from the log file that after the first pass there was error size : 1507Kb?

And if I keep reading it says after the pass with -r1 option it now only has (it completed) error size : 757Kb?

This is a reduciton in the total error size - I assume this is good?

But how can the error size go down, yet errors goes up (from 629 to 1480)?

Thanks in advance - trying to understand the program better!!

Cheers

-Al

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It started off this session with 629 different areas with errors which totaled 1500 kb of missing data.  So far, it has been able to recover some of that missing data.  In doing so, it broke up the error spots. 

So the areas before and after the newly recovered data now count as individual errors - the number of individual error spots goes up while the total amount of missing data goes down.



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From: Al Grant <bigal.nz@...>
Subject: Re: [Bug-ddrescue] ddrescue - disk 2 disk (ntfs)
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Thigns are going well, but I was wondering, here is what I ran for the second
run to get data of the parts of the disk with errors:

al@al-ubuntu:~$ sudo ddrescue -r1 -v /dev/sdb /storage/test.bin testlog

About to copy 160041 MBytes from /dev/sdb to /storage/test.bin
    Starting positions: infile = 0 B,  outfile = 0 B
    Copy block size: 128 hard blocks
Hard block size: 512 bytes
Max_retries: 1    Split: yes    Truncate: no

Press Ctrl-C to interrupt
Initial status (read from logfile)
rescued:   160040 MB,  errsize:   1507 kB,  errors:     629
Current status
rescued:   160041 MB,  errsize:    757 kB,  current rate:        0 B/s
   ipos:     4363 MB,   errors:    1480,    average rate:       17 B/s
   opos:     4363 MB
                             
Now if I read this correctly, it read from the log file that after the first
pass there was error size : 1507Kb?

And if I keep reading it says after the pass with -r1 option it now only has
(it completed) error size : 757Kb?

This is a reduciton in the total error size - I assume this is good?

But how can the error size go down, yet errors goes up (from 629 to 1480)?

Thanks in advance - trying to understand the program better!!

Cheers

-Al

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Re: ddrescue - disk 2 disk (ntfs)

by Al Grant :: Rate this Message:

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Thanks Andrew,

That makes perfect sense. I have found after mounting the images (which is of a NTFS windows drive) that most of the sub directories under C:\Windows are missing. This is of course far more than 1500Kb of data.

The only way that I can reconcile this is to think that the place that holds the index of files/directories (FAT table?) is part of whats missing, so although the error size is small its killed the directories in a indirect way???

Make any sense?

-Al

andrew zajac-2 wrote:
It started off this session with 629 different areas with errors which totaled 1500 kb of missing data.  So far, it has been able to recover some of that missing data.  In doing so, it broke up the error spots. 

So the areas before and after the newly recovered data now count as individual errors - the number of individual error spots goes up while the total amount of missing data goes down.



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From: Al Grant <bigal.nz@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Bug-ddrescue] ddrescue - disk 2 disk (ntfs)
To: Bug-ddrescue@gnu.org
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Thigns are going well, but I was wondering, here is what I ran for the second
run to get data of the parts of the disk with errors:

al@al-ubuntu:~$ sudo ddrescue -r1 -v /dev/sdb /storage/test.bin testlog

About to copy 160041 MBytes from /dev/sdb to /storage/test.bin
    Starting positions: infile = 0 B,  outfile = 0 B
    Copy block size: 128 hard blocks
Hard block size: 512 bytes
Max_retries: 1    Split: yes    Truncate: no

Press Ctrl-C to interrupt
Initial status (read from logfile)
rescued:   160040 MB,  errsize:   1507 kB,  errors:     629
Current status
rescued:   160041 MB,  errsize:    757 kB,  current rate:        0 B/s
   ipos:     4363 MB,   errors:    1480,    average rate:       17 B/s
   opos:     4363 MB
                             
Now if I read this correctly, it read from the log file that after the first
pass there was error size : 1507Kb?

And if I keep reading it says after the pass with -r1 option it now only has
(it completed) error size : 757Kb?

This is a reduciton in the total error size - I assume this is good?

But how can the error size go down, yet errors goes up (from 629 to 1480)?

Thanks in advance - trying to understand the program better!!

Cheers

-Al

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