Nabble - debian-powerpc

Re: Installing on a firewire drive.

2009-12-21T08:54:48Z

On Dec 21, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Frank J. R. Hanstick wrote:

> Hello,
> I have a PPC Quicksilver running MacOS 10.5.8 and would like to
> install Linux on a partitioned Firewire drive. I looked through the
> installation document and could not find a way to redirect the
> installation to the drive. The drive is recognized bootable because
> the MacOS is booting from the drive. Anyone have a idea of how I
> can perform the installation? I should also inform you that I am
> extremely new to Linux.
> Frank J. R. Hanstick
> trog24@...

Choose "manual partitioning" during the "partition disks" phase of the
installation process. All the necessary parts are there.

Rick

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Installing on a firewire drive.

2009-12-21T07:59:15Z

Hello,
I have a PPC Quicksilver running MacOS 10.5.8 and would like to
install Linux on a partitioned Firewire drive. I looked through the
installation document and could not find a way to redirect the
installation to the drive. The drive is recognized bootable because
the MacOS is booting from the drive. Anyone have a idea of how I can
perform the installation? I should also inform you that I am
extremely new to Linux.
Frank J. R. Hanstick
trog24@...

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Re: Power6 and Testing

2009-12-21T07:27:23Z

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xavier grave a écrit :
> More informations :
> using ehea.ko from my power5 install, network runs fine. Part of the
> install was done under chroot and now I hit a yaboot wall : reboot after
> reboot hanging each time at :
> Calling ibm,client-architecture...
>
> I will use the cd in rescue mode and try :
> 1/ grub2

I didn't find a way to install it.

> 2/ yaboot 1.3.14

I have installed it and now I'm able to boot from hard disk without problem.

May be I should fill one or two bug reports ?
One in debian-installer and one in yaboot ?
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Re: Power6 and Testing

2009-12-21T06:46:47Z

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More informations :
using ehea.ko from my power5 install, network runs fine. Part of the
install was done under chroot and now I hit a yaboot wall : reboot after
reboot hanging each time at :
Calling ibm,client-architecture...

I will use the cd in rescue mode and try :
1/ grub2
2/ yaboot 1.3.14

xavier grave a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> Frank Fegert a écrit :
>> Hello,
>
>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:16:04PM +0100, xavier grave wrote:
>>> Address
>>> 1. PORT - 1 IBM Host Ethernet Ada U789C.001.DQD1C40-P1-C7-T1
>>> 00215eb28920
>>> 2. PORT - 2 IBM Host Ethernet Ada U789C.001.DQD1C40-P1-C7-T2
>>> 00215eb28921
>> you seem to have only the internal IVE adapters. Can you check
>> if the module "ehea.ko" is included in the netinst.iso and gets
>> loaded? If not, try to load it manually.
>
> I have checked, no ehea.ko available. I will try to install it tomorrow
> using an usb key (I don't have physical access to it now). I will also
> check the latest daily build netinst.iso
>
>> Unfortunately i only have partitioned Power6 systems here and
>> none in full system mode to test. The IVE redbook:
>> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp4340.pdf
>> "Hardware Management Console is mandatory for System p 570, and
>> it is required to configure and use any IVE."
>> is not as clear about the necessity of a HMC for the use of the
>> IVE as i'd like it to be :-(
>
> Thanks for all these informations and help.
>
> xavier

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Re: Installation freezes

2009-12-21T05:48:11Z

What sort of "old G4" are you talking about?

Tom

On Dec 20, 2009, at 9:16 AM, Wayde Allen wrote:

> I've recently been trying to install the latest copy of DebianPPC on
> an old G4. The install disk boots, finds the network, partitions the
> hardrive, and begins dowloading files from the mirror. However, once
> it finishes downloading the last file the system simply stops the
> installation. The computer seems to be working, I can for instance do
> an Alt-F2 to get a new shell and poke around in the system. It is
> just the install that has stopped. Any suggestions?
>
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Re: Installation freezes

2009-12-20T12:59:07Z

Hi,

Been there, done that (and not just on PPC).
When I find the installer stuck, I run "ps -ef f" which shows graphically
the process tree. Typically, the one that is indented the most is the one
that is hung, then I run "kill -15 $PID_of_offender" (PID is normally the
second column).

Because the installer has a very simple version of ps, you would have to
copy the libraries that ps needs from /target to /lib - most likely,
# cp /target/lib/libproc* /lib/
# /target/bin/ps -ef f

Kill -15 should cause the hanging process to give up and return control to
the process that called it, allowing the installer to resume and recover
from the error. If that polite kill request doesn't resume the installation,
get stern and run "kill -9 $PID_of_offender".

Peter

Wayde Allen wrote:
> I've recently been trying to install the latest copy of DebianPPC on
> an old G4. The install disk boots, finds the network, partitions the
> hardrive, and begins dowloading files from the mirror. However, once
> it finishes downloading the last file the system simply stops the
> installation. The computer seems to be working, I can for instance do
> an Alt-F2 to get a new shell and poke around in the system. It is
> just the install that has stopped. Any suggestions?
>

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Re: Power6 and Testing

2009-12-20T12:44:05Z

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Hi,

Frank Fegert a écrit :

> Hello,
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:16:04PM +0100, xavier grave wrote:
>> Address
>> 1. PORT - 1 IBM Host Ethernet Ada U789C.001.DQD1C40-P1-C7-T1
>> 00215eb28920
>> 2. PORT - 2 IBM Host Ethernet Ada U789C.001.DQD1C40-P1-C7-T2
>> 00215eb28921
>
> you seem to have only the internal IVE adapters. Can you check
> if the module "ehea.ko" is included in the netinst.iso and gets
> loaded? If not, try to load it manually.

I have checked, no ehea.ko available. I will try to install it tomorrow
using an usb key (I don't have physical access to it now). I will also
check the latest daily build netinst.iso

> Unfortunately i only have partitioned Power6 systems here and
> none in full system mode to test. The IVE redbook:
> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp4340.pdf
> "Hardware Management Console is mandatory for System p 570, and
> it is required to configure and use any IVE."
> is not as clear about the necessity of a HMC for the use of the
> IVE as i'd like it to be :-(

Thanks for all these informations and help.

xavier
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Installation freezes

2009-12-20T08:16:19Z

I've recently been trying to install the latest copy of DebianPPC on
an old G4. The install disk boots, finds the network, partitions the
hardrive, and begins dowloading files from the mirror. However, once
it finishes downloading the last file the system simply stops the
installation. The computer seems to be working, I can for instance do
an Alt-F2 to get a new shell and poke around in the system. It is
just the install that has stopped. Any suggestions?

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Re: Power6 and Testing

2009-12-20T06:27:49Z

Hello,

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:16:04PM +0100, xavier grave wrote:
> Address
> 1. PORT - 1 IBM Host Ethernet Ada U789C.001.DQD1C40-P1-C7-T1
> 00215eb28920
> 2. PORT - 2 IBM Host Ethernet Ada U789C.001.DQD1C40-P1-C7-T2
> 00215eb28921

you seem to have only the internal IVE adapters. Can you check
if the module "ehea.ko" is included in the netinst.iso and gets
loaded? If not, try to load it manually.
Unfortunately i only have partitioned Power6 systems here and
none in full system mode to test. The IVE redbook:
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp4340.pdf
"Hardware Management Console is mandatory for System p 570, and
it is required to configure and use any IVE."
is not as clear about the necessity of a HMC for the use of the
IVE as i'd like it to be :-(

Best regards,

Frank

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Debian support for the Efika board

2009-12-20T01:46:03Z

Dear powerpc folks,

After a long oblivion, I am now considering resurrecting my Efika board
for a network application project. Since it is been a long time since I
last installed Debian on it, I would like to know what is the Debian
support status. In particular, is it now possible to run standard
debian-powerpc kernels on it ? Please, CC me in answers as I am not
subscribed to debian-powerpc.

Many thanks,

Attilio Fiandrotti

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Re: Is this the appropriate list?

2009-12-19T21:56:17Z

On 12/19/09, Thomas Carlson <tcarlson@...> wrote:

> I have given up on getting the sound card working as it will just be a
> development machine anyway. Any suggestions for a good development
> environment other than the standard GNU/GCC compiler tools collection?
>
>
Perl.

Lisp (lots of choices here, some are smaller than others).

Python.

Reasons: scripting interactive development. Perl has lots useful
modules and easy to do advanced stuff. Lisp teaches you a lot about
programming, and has led innovation several generations. Python is
objective, and fast.

Some people like java. because partly maybe it is easy to develop
GUIs. if you want that. Python has TCL/TK interface. Perl has C
interface, etc etch.

many other languages available in Debian ...

As far as powerpc goes, the scripted languages are probably more
portable, as the language itself contains more in the core that is
already ported. Some languages that are not are more portable, some
work better on powerpc -- particularly in the Lisp section. Java was
bad for a long time because IBM was sort of closed and did the powerpc
but now the standard Sun java is available it may be better, however
apple still uses their own java for MacOSX....

My opinion/ experience ...

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Re: Power6 and Testing

2009-12-19T13:16:04Z

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Hi Frank,

Thanks for your help.

Frank Fegert a écrit :

> Hello,
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:22:22PM +0100, xavier grave wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> I have just received a 520 server with a power6 in. I'am trying to
>> install from a daily netinst iso. I can boot using install64 (need two
>> call to install64) but it don't detect any network board, which is a
>> little problematic :)
>>
>> It seems related (in my humble opinion) to partitions...
>>
>> Does anybody have an idea how to solve this ?
>
> is the system actually partitioned or is it a full system partition?
> Did you along with the p520 aquire a HMC? Do any NICs show up in the
> SMS menu? Is the firmware version of the p520 up to date?

The system doesn't have any HMC and is out of the box. I'm not planning
to use partitions.

If I do a ls in openfirmware I can "see" under /vdevice two ethernet
devices.

In the SMS menu I have the following list (Setup Remote IPL) :
Version EL350_039

SMS 1.7 (c) Copyright IBM Corp. 2000,2008 All rights reserved.

-
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NIC Adapters

Device Location Code
Hardware

Address
1. PORT - 1 IBM Host Ethernet Ada U789C.001.DQD1C40-P1-C7-T1
00215eb28920
2. PORT - 2 IBM Host Ethernet Ada U789C.001.DQD1C40-P1-C7-T2
00215eb28921

I don't have done any upgrade to the firmware. Which firmware version
can I give you ? (from ASMI or Advance System Management)

During boot I have catch these messages :
first install64 :
boot: install64

Please wait, loading kernel...

Elf64 kernel loaded...

Loading ramdisk...

ramdisk loaded at 02b00000, size: 4546 Kbytes

OF stdout device is: /vdevice/vty@30000000

Preparing to boot Linux version 2.6.30-2-powerpc64 (Debian 2.6.30-8)
(waldi@deb9
Calling ibm,client-architecture...
and back to yaboot from cd rom
second install64 call

FATAL: Error inserting windfarm_pm91 (/lib/modules/2.6.30-2-
powerpc64/kernel/dr
also for windfarm_smu_sensors, windfarm_pm112 and so on...

Do you need a full screenlog ?

Cordially, xavier

> Best regards,
>
> Frank
>
>

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Re: Is this the appropriate list?

2009-12-19T09:38:15Z

Yes, LXDE is much zippier than Gnome on this old beast. I set it up to boot into the command-line interface and only use startx occasionally.

I have given up on getting the sound card working as it will just be a development machine anyway. Any suggestions for a good development environment other than the standard GNU/GCC compiler tools collection?

Cheers, Tom

On Dec 17, 2009, at 11:07 PM, Risto Suominen wrote:

> 2009/12/17, Gombang Nan Cengka <gombang@...>:
>> On Thursday 17 December 2009 22:35:56 Thomas Carlson wrote:
>>> Is this the appropriate list to ask why Debian Lenny doesn't recognize the
>>> sound card on my PowerMac G4 (Digital Audio)? Everything else works
>>> fine.
>>>
> Definitely.
>
>>> Since Apple stopped supporting OS X Tiger I have been trying out various
>>> Linux flavors. Any recommendations?
>>>
> As the computer is not especially powerful measured with today's
> standards, I would recommend Debian with LXDE desktop.
>>
>> I don't have PowerMac G4, but I guess the fix will be to load snd_powermac
>> kernel module. It works on my iBook G4.
>> --
> Yes, snd_powermac should work (G4 Silver):
> http://wiki.debian.org/PowerpcSoundcards
>
> Risto
>

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Re: Problems with Debian PowerPC

2009-12-19T06:52:50Z

On Dec 17, 2009, at 5:39 PM, Frans Pop wrote:

> On Thursday 17 December 2009, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> It may not be "grave" for the installer (indeed, you've already
>> established at great length that it's not an installer problem at
>> all)
>> but that doesn't make it any the less grave for whatever package it
>> does belong to. You've given me a few hints as to how to figure out
>> what package that might be. Any further help -- from anyone more
>> knowledgeable than I -- will be appreciated, of course.
>
> This looks like a fairly likely reason:
> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gnome-core
>
> For some reason the package was forced to testing even though it was
> not
> available on all architectures.
>
> If that is the reason, then it means that Gnome is currently not
> installable on all but 5 architectures. With powerpc probably the
> only one
> very many people will really care about (though that's a steadily
> declining number).
>
> It's almost certain that both the relevant package maintainer and the
> release team are already aware of this and that it has been a
> conscious
> choice to accept the breakage. Whether or not it should block the
> release
> of D-I is up to others.
>
> How did I get there (I needed the roundabout way because I don't
> have a
> powerpc box; it would have been trivial to check in aptitude)?
>
> - http://edos.debian.net/edos-debcheck/
> - choose squeeze -> in the most recent run, choose powerpc ->
> http://edos.debian.net/edos-debcheck/results/testing/1261006803/powerpc/list.php
>
> And notice that gnome-accessibility (and a few others, but that
> seems the
> most likely cause) is listed, and check the reasons.
>
> A new version of the package (1:2.28+3) has been built for all arches:
> https://buildd.debian.org/~luk/status/package.php?p=meta-gnome2
> But looks to be blocked by other packages for now:
> http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=meta-gnome2

Here, for the record, is the log of an attempt to do "aptitude full-
upgrade" on my Debian Squeeze PowerPC test machine.

Here's the part that first indicates there might be trouble...

> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> epiphany-extensions-more: Depends: epiphany-extensions (< 2.27) but
> 2.28.1-2 is to be installed.
> epiphany-browser: Conflicts: epiphany-gecko but 2.29.3-1 is to be
> installed.
> grdc: Depends: remmina which is a virtual package.
> gnome: Depends: tomboy (>= 1.0) but it is not installable
>

Happy Solstice!

Rick

greybox:~# aptitude -Pv full-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Reading task descriptions... Done
The following packages are BROKEN:
epiphany-browser epiphany-extensions-more gnome grdc
The following NEW packages will be installed:
gir1.0-clutter-0.8{a} gir1.0-freedesktop{a} gir1.0-glib-2.0{a} gir1.0-gstreamer-0.10{a} gir1.0-gtk-2.0{a}
gnome-disk-utility{a} gnome-js-common{a} libclutter-0.8-0{a} libclutter-cairo-0.8-0{a} libclutter-gtk-0.8-0{a}
libgdu-gtk0{a} libseed0{a}
The following packages will be REMOVED:
binfmt-support{u} cli-common{u} libart2.0-cil{u} libgconf2.0-cil{u} libglade2.0-cil{u} libglib2.0-cil{u}
libgmime-2.0-2a{u} libgmime2.2a-cil{u} libgnome-vfs2.0-cil{u} libgnome2.24-cil{u} libgnomepanel2.24-cil{u}
libgtk2.0-cil{u} libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil{u} libmono-addins0.2-cil{u} libmono-cairo2.0-cil{u} libmono-corlib2.0-cil{u}
libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil{u} libmono-posix2.0-cil{u} libmono-security2.0-cil{u} libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil{u}
libmono-system2.0-cil{u} libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil{u} libndesk-dbus1.0-cil{u} mono-2.0-gac{u} mono-gac{u} mono-runtime{u}
swfdec-mozilla{a} tomboy{u}
The following packages will be upgraded:
epiphany-browser-data epiphany-extensions epiphany-gecko gnome-accessibility gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment
gnome-office
9 packages upgraded, 13 newly installed, 28 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 11.5MB of archives. After unpacking 17.7MB will be freed.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
epiphany-extensions-more: Depends: epiphany-extensions (< 2.27) but 2.28.1-2 is to be installed.
epiphany-browser: Conflicts: epiphany-gecko but 2.29.3-1 is to be installed.
grdc: Depends: remmina which is a virtual package.
gnome: Depends: tomboy (>= 1.0) but it is not installable
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

Remove the following packages:
epiphany-extensions-more
epiphany-gecko
gnome

Keep the following packages at their current version:
grdc [Not Installed]

Score is 266

Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] r gnome UNINST
Rejecting the removal of gnome
Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] n
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

Keep the following packages at their current version:
epiphany-browser [2.26.3-2 (now)]
epiphany-browser-data [2.26.3-2 (now)]
epiphany-extensions [2.26.1-1 (now)]
epiphany-gecko [2.26.3-2 (now)]
gnome [1:2.26+0 (now)]
gnome-accessibility [1:2.26+0 (now)]
gnome-core [1:2.26+0 (now)]
gnome-desktop-environment [1:2.26+0 (now)]
gnome-office [1:2.26+0 (now)]
grdc [Not Installed]
swfdec-mozilla [0.8.2-1 (testing, unstable, now)]

Score is 580

Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] o
grdc depends upon remmina
-> Removing grdc

epiphany-browser conflicts with epiphany-gecko
-> Installing epiphany-browser 2.26.3-2 (now)

epiphany-gecko depends upon epiphany-browser (>= 2.28.0)
-> Installing epiphany-gecko 2.26.3-2 (now)

epiphany-gecko depends upon epiphany-browser-data (< 2.27)
-> Installing epiphany-browser-data 2.26.3-2 (now)

epiphany-extensions-more depends upon epiphany-extensions (< 2.27)
-> Installing epiphany-extensions 2.26.1-1 (now)

gnome depends upon tomboy (>= 1.0)
-> Installing gnome 1:2.26+0 (now)

gnome depends upon gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.26+0)
-> Installing gnome-desktop-environment 1:2.26+0 (now)

gnome depends upon swfdec-mozilla
-> Installing swfdec-mozilla 0.8.2-1 (testing, unstable, now)

gnome-desktop-environment depends upon gnome-core (= 1:2.26+0)
-> Installing gnome-core 1:2.26+0 (now)

gnome-accessibility depends upon gnome-core (>= 1:2.28+2~3squeeze1)
-> Installing gnome-accessibility 1:2.26+0 (now)

gnome-office depends upon gnome-core (>= 1:2.28+2~3squeeze1)
-> Installing gnome-office 1:2.26+0 (now)

Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] q
Abandoning all efforts to resolve these dependencies.
Abort.
greybox:~#

Re: Power6 and Testing

2009-12-19T05:28:47Z

Hello,

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:22:22PM +0100, xavier grave wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>
> I have just received a 520 server with a power6 in. I'am trying to
> install from a daily netinst iso. I can boot using install64 (need two
> call to install64) but it don't detect any network board, which is a
> little problematic :)
>
> It seems related (in my humble opinion) to partitions...
>
> Does anybody have an idea how to solve this ?

is the system actually partitioned or is it a full system partition?
Did you along with the p520 aquire a HMC? Do any NICs show up in the
SMS menu? Is the firmware version of the p520 up to date?

Best regards,

Frank

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Re: Debian PowerPC Squeeze - "packages have unmet dependencies"

2009-12-18T18:40:30Z

Dear Rick

Rick Thomas wrote:
>> gnome: Depends: tomboy (>= 1.0) but it is not installable
I think that is answered in the Thread "Problems with Debian PowerPC" by
Rick Thomas of 12/16/2009 09:23 PM.

Regards, Adrian.

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Re: Problems with Debian PowerPC

2009-12-18T10:24:38Z

Frans Pop wrote:

> On Friday 18 December 2009, Philipp Kern wrote:
>> While I did not take care about the fallout due to time constraints on
>> my side, I did take a look at the meta-gnome2 migration back then. We
>> did not place any approval hint but it seems that the multiple arch:all
>> confused britney sufficiently so that she decided to migrate those
>> packages without any hint at all.
>>
>> Sadly I was unable to track down the bug in question and our log keeping
>> is currently almost non-existant.
>>
>> As soon as something is copied over to testing autobuilding is
>> automatically stopped, which might be another bug of its own.
>
> So, what can be done to fix the current breakage?

Have tomboy (and mono) migrate to testing so meta-gnome2 can migrate to
testing.

Cheers

Luk

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Debian PowerPC Squeeze - "packages have unmet dependencies"

2009-12-18T10:12:52Z

I understand "normal churn" in testing and unstable, but these
problems have persisted for over a week.

Attached is the log of an attempt to do "aptitude full-upgrade" on my
Debian Squeeze PowerPC test machine.

Here's the part that first indicates there might be trouble...

> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> epiphany-extensions-more: Depends: epiphany-extensions (< 2.27)
> but 2.28.1-2 is to be installed.
> epiphany-browser: Conflicts: epiphany-gecko but 2.29.3-1 is to be
> installed.
> grdc: Depends: remmina which is a virtual package.
> gnome: Depends: tomboy (>= 1.0) but it is not installable
>

Any help resolving these will be appreciated. If I should file a bug
report, which package should I file it against -- there are so many
that seem to be involved?

Happy Solstice!

Rick

greybox:~# aptitude -Pv full-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Reading task descriptions... Done
The following packages are BROKEN:
epiphany-browser epiphany-extensions-more gnome grdc
The following NEW packages will be installed:
gir1.0-clutter-0.8{a} gir1.0-freedesktop{a} gir1.0-glib-2.0{a} gir1.0-gstreamer-0.10{a} gir1.0-gtk-2.0{a}
gnome-disk-utility{a} gnome-js-common{a} libclutter-0.8-0{a} libclutter-cairo-0.8-0{a} libclutter-gtk-0.8-0{a}
libgdu-gtk0{a} libseed0{a}
The following packages will be REMOVED:
binfmt-support{u} cli-common{u} libart2.0-cil{u} libgconf2.0-cil{u} libglade2.0-cil{u} libglib2.0-cil{u}
libgmime-2.0-2a{u} libgmime2.2a-cil{u} libgnome-vfs2.0-cil{u} libgnome2.24-cil{u} libgnomepanel2.24-cil{u}
libgtk2.0-cil{u} libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil{u} libmono-addins0.2-cil{u} libmono-cairo2.0-cil{u} libmono-corlib2.0-cil{u}
libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil{u} libmono-posix2.0-cil{u} libmono-security2.0-cil{u} libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil{u}
libmono-system2.0-cil{u} libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil{u} libndesk-dbus1.0-cil{u} mono-2.0-gac{u} mono-gac{u} mono-runtime{u}
swfdec-mozilla{a} tomboy{u}
The following packages will be upgraded:
epiphany-browser-data epiphany-extensions epiphany-gecko gnome-accessibility gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment
gnome-office
9 packages upgraded, 13 newly installed, 28 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 11.5MB of archives. After unpacking 17.7MB will be freed.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
epiphany-extensions-more: Depends: epiphany-extensions (< 2.27) but 2.28.1-2 is to be installed.
epiphany-browser: Conflicts: epiphany-gecko but 2.29.3-1 is to be installed.
grdc: Depends: remmina which is a virtual package.
gnome: Depends: tomboy (>= 1.0) but it is not installable
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

Remove the following packages:
epiphany-extensions-more
epiphany-gecko
gnome

Keep the following packages at their current version:
grdc [Not Installed]

Score is 266

Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] r gnome UNINST
Rejecting the removal of gnome
Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] n
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

Keep the following packages at their current version:
epiphany-browser [2.26.3-2 (now)]
epiphany-browser-data [2.26.3-2 (now)]
epiphany-extensions [2.26.1-1 (now)]
epiphany-gecko [2.26.3-2 (now)]
gnome [1:2.26+0 (now)]
gnome-accessibility [1:2.26+0 (now)]
gnome-core [1:2.26+0 (now)]
gnome-desktop-environment [1:2.26+0 (now)]
gnome-office [1:2.26+0 (now)]
grdc [Not Installed]
swfdec-mozilla [0.8.2-1 (testing, unstable, now)]

Score is 580

Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] o
grdc depends upon remmina
-> Removing grdc

epiphany-browser conflicts with epiphany-gecko
-> Installing epiphany-browser 2.26.3-2 (now)

epiphany-gecko depends upon epiphany-browser (>= 2.28.0)
-> Installing epiphany-gecko 2.26.3-2 (now)

epiphany-gecko depends upon epiphany-browser-data (< 2.27)
-> Installing epiphany-browser-data 2.26.3-2 (now)

epiphany-extensions-more depends upon epiphany-extensions (< 2.27)
-> Installing epiphany-extensions 2.26.1-1 (now)

gnome depends upon tomboy (>= 1.0)
-> Installing gnome 1:2.26+0 (now)

gnome depends upon gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.26+0)
-> Installing gnome-desktop-environment 1:2.26+0 (now)

gnome depends upon swfdec-mozilla
-> Installing swfdec-mozilla 0.8.2-1 (testing, unstable, now)

gnome-desktop-environment depends upon gnome-core (= 1:2.26+0)
-> Installing gnome-core 1:2.26+0 (now)

gnome-accessibility depends upon gnome-core (>= 1:2.28+2~3squeeze1)
-> Installing gnome-accessibility 1:2.26+0 (now)

gnome-office depends upon gnome-core (>= 1:2.28+2~3squeeze1)
-> Installing gnome-office 1:2.26+0 (now)

Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] q
Abandoning all efforts to resolve these dependencies.
Abort.
greybox:~#

Re: Problems with Debian PowerPC

2009-12-18T09:58:39Z

On Friday 18 December 2009, Philipp Kern wrote:

> While I did not take care about the fallout due to time constraints on
> my side, I did take a look at the meta-gnome2 migration back then. We
> did not place any approval hint but it seems that the multiple arch:all
> confused britney sufficiently so that she decided to migrate those
> packages without any hint at all.
>
> Sadly I was unable to track down the bug in question and our log keeping
> is currently almost non-existant.
>
> As soon as something is copied over to testing autobuilding is
> automatically stopped, which might be another bug of its own.

So, what can be done to fix the current breakage?

Cheers,
FJP

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Re: Is this the appropriate list?

2009-12-18T08:29:48Z

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 09:04:19AM -0700, Thomas Carlson wrote:
> Still no sound. Any suggestions

Have you checked that the sound channels are not muted? I remember
having to enable manually some of them with alsamixer.

Best regards,

Cédric

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Re: Is this the appropriate list?

2009-12-18T08:04:19Z

First I tried...

sudo modprobe snd_powermac

No luck.

Then I added snd-powermac to the /etc/modules file

Still no sound. Any suggestions

Tom

On Dec 17, 2009, at 11:07 PM, Risto Suominen wrote:

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Power6 and Testing

2009-12-18T03:22:22Z

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little problematic :)

It seems related (in my humble opinion) to partitions...

Does anybody have an idea how to solve this ?

Thanks in advance, xavier
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Re: Problems with Debian PowerPC

2009-12-18T01:43:26Z

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 02:49:47PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > It's almost certain that both the relevant package maintainer and the
> > release team are already aware of this and that it has been a conscious
> > choice to accept the breakage.
> Given that the package version clearly indicates it reached testing by way
> of testing-proposed-updates, I think it's unwise to assume this. Cc:ing
> debian-release for input on the uninstallability of gnome in testing.

While I did not take care about the fallout due to time constraints on my
side, I did take a look at the meta-gnome2 migration back then. We did not
place any approval hint but it seems that the multiple arch:all confused
britney sufficiently so that she decided to migrate those packages without
any hint at all.

Sadly I was unable to track down the bug in question and our log keeping
is currently almost non-existant.

As soon as something is copied over to testing autobuilding is automatically
stopped, which might be another bug of its own.

Kind regards,
Philipp Kern
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Re: Is this the appropriate list?

2009-12-17T22:07:41Z

2009/12/17, Gombang Nan Cengka <gombang@...>:
> On Thursday 17 December 2009 22:35:56 Thomas Carlson wrote:
>> Is this the appropriate list to ask why Debian Lenny doesn't recognize the
>> sound card on my PowerMac G4 (Digital Audio)? Everything else works
>> fine.
>>
Definitely.

>> Since Apple stopped supporting OS X Tiger I have been trying out various
>> Linux flavors. Any recommendations?
>>
As the computer is not especially powerful measured with today's
standards, I would recommend Debian with LXDE desktop.
>
> I don't have PowerMac G4, but I guess the fix will be to load snd_powermac
> kernel module. It works on my iBook G4.
> --
Yes, snd_powermac should work (G4 Silver):
http://wiki.debian.org/PowerpcSoundcards

Risto

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Re: Problems with Debian PowerPC

2009-12-17T14:59:27Z

On Thursday 17 December 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Thursday 17 December 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Given that the package version clearly indicates it reached testing by
> > way of testing-proposed-updates, I think it's unwise to assume this.
> > Cc:ing debian-release for input on the uninstallability of gnome in
> > testing.
>
> You're right, I missed that.

OTOH, it must still have been consciously accepted from testing-p-u into
testing by the release team, despite missing arches.

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Re: Problems with Debian PowerPC

2009-12-17T14:57:49Z

On Thursday 17 December 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Given that the package version clearly indicates it reached testing by
> way of testing-proposed-updates, I think it's unwise to assume this.
> Cc:ing debian-release for input on the uninstallability of gnome in
> testing.

You're right, I missed that.

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Re: Problems with Debian PowerPC

2009-12-17T14:49:47Z

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:39:39PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
> This looks like a fairly likely reason:
> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gnome-core

> For some reason the package was forced to testing even though it was not
> available on all architectures.

> If that is the reason, then it means that Gnome is currently not
> installable on all but 5 architectures. With powerpc probably the only one
> very many people will really care about (though that's a steadily
> declining number).

> It's almost certain that both the relevant package maintainer and the
> release team are already aware of this and that it has been a conscious
> choice to accept the breakage.

Given that the package version clearly indicates it reached testing by way
of testing-proposed-updates, I think it's unwise to assume this. Cc:ing
debian-release for input on the uninstallability of gnome in testing.

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Re: Problems with Debian PowerPC

2009-12-17T14:39:39Z

On Thursday 17 December 2009, Rick Thomas wrote:
> It may not be "grave" for the installer (indeed, you've already
> established at great length that it's not an installer problem at all)
> but that doesn't make it any the less grave for whatever package it
> does belong to. You've given me a few hints as to how to figure out
> what package that might be. Any further help -- from anyone more
> knowledgeable than I -- will be appreciated, of course.

This looks like a fairly likely reason:
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gnome-core

For some reason the package was forced to testing even though it was not
available on all architectures.

If that is the reason, then it means that Gnome is currently not
installable on all but 5 architectures. With powerpc probably the only one
very many people will really care about (though that's a steadily
declining number).

It's almost certain that both the relevant package maintainer and the
release team are already aware of this and that it has been a conscious
choice to accept the breakage. Whether or not it should block the release
of D-I is up to others.

How did I get there (I needed the roundabout way because I don't have a
powerpc box; it would have been trivial to check in aptitude)?

- http://edos.debian.net/edos-debcheck/
- choose squeeze -> in the most recent run, choose powerpc ->
http://edos.debian.net/edos-debcheck/results/testing/1261006803/powerpc/list.php

And notice that gnome-accessibility (and a few others, but that seems the
most likely cause) is listed, and check the reasons.

A new version of the package (1:2.28+3) has been built for all arches:
https://buildd.debian.org/~luk/status/package.php?p=meta-gnome2
But looks to be blocked by other packages for now:
http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=meta-gnome2

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Re: Problems with Debian PowerPC

2009-12-17T09:37:28Z

On Dec 17, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Frans Pop wrote:

> (And please do not over-inflate the severity of bug reports: a desktop
> environment not being installable does not make the installation
> system
> unusable.)

It may not be "grave" for the installer (indeed, you've already
established at great length that it's not an installer problem at all)
but that doesn't make it any the less grave for whatever package it
does belong to. You've given me a few hints as to how to figure out
what package that might be. Any further help -- from anyone more
knowledgeable than I -- will be appreciated, of course.

Season's greetings...

Rick

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Re: Problems with Debian PowerPC

2009-12-17T09:22:27Z

On Thursday 17 December 2009, Rick Thomas wrote:
> > What problems exist in Squeeze?
>
> Here's the Squeeze problem (from my original posting in this thread):
> >>> 3) When I install a "graphical desktop environment" with Squeeze
> >>> using the above d-i images, I get a system that is missing almost
> >>> all of gnome due to un-resolvable dependency conflicts.

Ah, sorry. I'd not read that correctly. I thought you were talking about
sid there too. That invalidates part of my earlier responses.

So, it can be
- a general problem resulting from the release team forcing through some
migration and thus (*temporarily*) breaking dependencies
- an architecture specific problem where the release team has decided to
ignore breakage on powerpc in order not to delay other arches
- an unknown issue

I've just checked if the gnome task is installable for Squeeze on amd64,
and it is. So either the problem has already been solved, or it is
specific to powerpc.

> > Please file an installation report.
> I did, a while ago: Bug#560684

OK. I missed that one (or deleted it without really looking at it as it
wasn't an issue I'm personally very interested in).

I would expect Otavio as D-I release manager to be interested in the
installability of Gnome as it affects his plans to release D-I alpha1.

(And please do not over-inflate the severity of bug reports: a desktop
environment not being installable does not make the installation system
unusable.)

> But you'll just say "there is *nothing* wrong with the installer", so
> what's the point?

The point is that *we* cannot do anything about it. You need to report
problems to the people responsible for the packages that are failing.

> I'll repeat my offer: What can I, as a non developer -- just an
> interested and willing tester, do to help?

Find out the exact cause of the problems and report them to the relevant
maintainers:
- which packages have dependency problems
- is the problem only on powerpc, or is it general

These things can be found out relatively simply using aptitude and
packages.debian.org.

Cheers,
FJP

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Re: Problems with Debian PowerPC

2009-12-17T08:37:07Z

On Dec 17, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Frans Pop wrote:

> On Thursday 17 December 2009, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> I have listed several problems that exist in Sid and Squeeze, some of
>> which prevent successful installation (even though there is nothing
>> wrong with the installer).
>
> The problems in Sid are not interesting as they will fix themselves.
>
> What problems exist in Squeeze?

Here's the Squeeze problem (from my original posting in this thread):

>>> 3) When I install a "graphical desktop environment" with Squeeze
>>> using the above d-i images, I get a system that is missing almost
>>> all of gnome due to un-resolvable dependency conflicts.

> Please file an installation report.

I did, a while ago: Bug#560684

But you'll just say "there is *nothing* wrong with the installer", so
what's the point?

I'll repeat my offer: What can I, as a non developer -- just an
interested and willing tester, do to help?

Rick

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Re: Is this the appropriate list?

2009-12-17T08:32:21Z

On Thursday 17 December 2009 22:35:56 Thomas Carlson wrote:
> Is this the appropriate list to ask why Debian Lenny doesn't recognize the
> sound card on my PowerMac G4 (Digital Audio)? Everything else works fine.
>
> Since Apple stopped supporting OS X Tiger I have been trying out various
> Linux flavors. Any recommendations?
>
> Tom
>

I don't have PowerMac G4, but I guess the fix will be to load snd_powermac
kernel module. It works on my iBook G4.
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Re: Problems with Debian PowerPC

2009-12-17T07:48:24Z

On Thursday 17 December 2009, Rick Thomas wrote:
> I have listed several problems that exist in Sid and Squeeze, some of
> which prevent successful installation (even though there is nothing
> wrong with the installer).

The problems in Sid are not interesting as they will fix themselves.

What problems exist in Squeeze? Please file an installation report.

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Is this the appropriate list?

2009-12-17T07:35:56Z

Is this the appropriate list to ask why Debian Lenny doesn't recognize the sound card on my PowerMac G4 (Digital Audio)? Everything else works fine.

Since Apple stopped supporting OS X Tiger I have been trying out various Linux flavors. Any recommendations?

Tom

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Re: Problems with Debian PowerPC

2009-12-17T07:02:26Z

On Dec 16, 2009, at 10:38 PM, Frans Pop wrote:

> Again, there is *nothing* wrong with the installer here. We welcome
> reports
> of issues with installations of testing, but issues with sid are
> seldom
> caused by problems in the installer.

If you say so, I have to agree that there is *nothing* wrong with the
installer.

But that doesn't mean that there is nothing wrong, period.

I have listed several problems that exist in Sid and Squeeze, some of
which prevent successful installation (even though there is nothing
wrong with the installer).

These problems will not fix themselves.

And they won't get fixed if nobody brings them up in public.

I'm just bringing them up so they can get fixed.

I'm sorry if cross-posting it to debian-boot has offended you, Franz.
Please accept my apology.

Rick

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