design of photo box in the album view

[Jakob Hilden]

Hello all,

with the introduction of the Digibug module a new "contextual menu" has
been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3 album view.  I'm
talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom of each photo, when
you have the digibug module activated.  In addition, we already have the
Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a picture and has options
like editing, deleting, moving a photo.

The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer was that we would have
two different places for end-user options (print, add to cart, show on
map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).

Another option would have been to incorporate them into one single photo
context menu that would include all the options and display different
items based on whether you are an admin or not.

I would be interested in what people think about that and what they
would prefer.


In connection with talking about the image box, I really like the image
search UX of Bing:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gallery&go=&form=QB&qs=n

I think we could use that as an inspiration for G3.  We could make the
standard view even cleaner than it is right now and display some
additional contextual information (like owner, view count, maybe
dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over the picture.

I would be interested what people think about that as well.

--Jakob

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[Chad Kieffer-3]

Jakob,

Thanks for sending this. I do like the uncluttered presentation of  
bing IMG search results and would like to move the G3 default theme in  
that direction.

I would prefer to have a consolidated  menu which combines both quick  
and the new thumb menu. This menu would show a list of all actions the  
current user has permissions to run.

I'm open to the display of a thumbnail's metadata on hover too.

The bing effect should be relatively easy to achieve.

- Chad



On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Jakob Hilden <jakobhilden@...> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> with the introduction of the Digibug module a new "contextual menu"  
> has
> been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3 album view.  I'm
> talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom of each photo,  
> when
> you have the digibug module activated.  In addition, we already have  
> the
> Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a picture and has  
> options
> like editing, deleting, moving a photo.
>
> The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer was that we would  
> have
> two different places for end-user options (print, add to cart, show on
> map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).
>
> Another option would have been to incorporate them into one single  
> photo
> context menu that would include all the options and display different
> items based on whether you are an admin or not.
>
> I would be interested in what people think about that and what they
> would prefer.
>
>
> In connection with talking about the image box, I really like the  
> image
> search UX of Bing:
> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gallery&go=&form=QB&qs=n
>
> I think we could use that as an inspiration for G3.  We could make the
> standard view even cleaner than it is right now and display some
> additional contextual information (like owner, view count, maybe
> dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over the picture.
>
> I would be interested what people think about that as well.
>
> --Jakob
>
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[Tim Almdal]

I had originally put the digibug print functionality, into the quick links menu.  To put it back there would require a little more work (probably not much) as the quick link menu is currently not displayed for public users.  Its not insurmountable, but is more work then just dropping an icon on the quick menu.

Tim


Chad Kieffer wrote:

Jakob,

Thanks for sending this. I do like the uncluttered presentation of  
bing IMG search results and would like to move the G3 default theme in  
that direction.

I would prefer to have a consolidated  menu which combines both quick  
and the new thumb menu. This menu would show a list of all actions the  
current user has permissions to run.

I'm open to the display of a thumbnail's metadata on hover too.

The bing effect should be relatively easy to achieve.

- Chad



On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Jakob Hilden jakobhilden@... wrote:

  

Hello all,

with the introduction of the Digibug module a new "contextual menu"  
has
been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3 album view.  I'm
talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom of each photo,  
when
you have the digibug module activated.  In addition, we already have  
the
Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a picture and has  
options
like editing, deleting, moving a photo.

The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer was that we would  
have
two different places for end-user options (print, add to cart, show on
map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).

Another option would have been to incorporate them into one single  
photo
context menu that would include all the options and display different
items based on whether you are an admin or not.

I would be interested in what people think about that and what they
would prefer.


In connection with talking about the image box, I really like the  
image
search UX of Bing:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gallery&go=&form=QB&qs=n

I think we could use that as an inspiration for G3.  We could make the
standard view even cleaner than it is right now and display some
additional contextual information (like owner, view count, maybe
dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over the picture.

I would be interested what people think about that as well.

--Jakob

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[Kevin Nehls]

Just one man's opinion here, but I kind of like the idea of just 1
menu and you can only see what you have permission to.  Maybe that's
only because I really like that quick menu and I'm not sure how much I
like that new thumb menu.  But then again, you have to know it's there
and hover over the image to get a menu of actions...

I really like that bing UI.  Hover over the thumb, image pops off the
page and get info, videos play, it's really cool.

In terms of the digibug print functionality specifically, if that
option is in the thumb menu, when looking at the resized or fullsize
version that option is no longer there.  So I've got to go back to the
page of thumbnails to print the image.  If that option was in the
quick menu at the top of the image/thumb, it would/could already be
there.

Kevin

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tim Almdal<tnalmdal@...> wrote:

> I had originally put the digibug print functionality, into the quick links
> menu.  To put it back there would require a little more work (probably not
> much) as the quick link menu is currently not displayed for public users.
> Its not insurmountable, but is more work then just dropping an icon on the
> quick menu.
>
> Tim
>
>
> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>
> Jakob,
>
> Thanks for sending this. I do like the uncluttered presentation of
> bing IMG search results and would like to move the G3 default theme in
> that direction.
>
> I would prefer to have a consolidated  menu which combines both quick
> and the new thumb menu. This menu would show a list of all actions the
> current user has permissions to run.
>
> I'm open to the display of a thumbnail's metadata on hover too.
>
> The bing effect should be relatively easy to achieve.
>
> - Chad
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Jakob Hilden <jakobhilden@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> with the introduction of the Digibug module a new "contextual menu"
> has
> been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3 album view.  I'm
> talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom of each photo,
> when
> you have the digibug module activated.  In addition, we already have
> the
> Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a picture and has
> options
> like editing, deleting, moving a photo.
>
> The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer was that we would
> have
> two different places for end-user options (print, add to cart, show on
> map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).
>
> Another option would have been to incorporate them into one single
> photo
> context menu that would include all the options and display different
> items based on whether you are an admin or not.
>
> I would be interested in what people think about that and what they
> would prefer.
>
>
> In connection with talking about the image box, I really like the
> image
> search UX of Bing:
> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gallery&go=&form=QB&qs=n
>
> I think we could use that as an inspiration for G3.  We could make the
> standard view even cleaner than it is right now and display some
> additional contextual information (like owner, view count, maybe
> dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over the picture.
>
> I would be interested what people think about that as well.
>
> --Jakob
>
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[Bharat Mediratta]

My feelings on this are pretty straightforward:

1) Admins should, by default, see something very similar to what their
visitors see.  Otherwise they'll have a hard time judging the site
through their guests eyes.  This was an oft-requested feature for G2
that resulted in us making what I consider to be a pretty lame "view as
a guest" mode.

2) We should not ship down a lot of JS, etc for guests who don't need
it.  The guest view should be lean and mean.

3) My mom should be able to figure out how to print photos.  However we
structure that interface should be clear, concise and obvious to
non-technical folks.

Anything which satisfies these three points will probably work for me.

Kevin Nehls wrote:

> Just one man's opinion here, but I kind of like the idea of just 1
> menu and you can only see what you have permission to.  Maybe that's
> only because I really like that quick menu and I'm not sure how much I
> like that new thumb menu.  But then again, you have to know it's there
> and hover over the image to get a menu of actions...
>
> I really like that bing UI.  Hover over the thumb, image pops off the
> page and get info, videos play, it's really cool.
>
> In terms of the digibug print functionality specifically, if that
> option is in the thumb menu, when looking at the resized or fullsize
> version that option is no longer there.  So I've got to go back to the
> page of thumbnails to print the image.  If that option was in the
> quick menu at the top of the image/thumb, it would/could already be
> there.
>
> Kevin
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tim Almdal<tnalmdal@...> wrote:
>> I had originally put the digibug print functionality, into the quick links
>> menu.  To put it back there would require a little more work (probably not
>> much) as the quick link menu is currently not displayed for public users.
>> Its not insurmountable, but is more work then just dropping an icon on the
>> quick menu.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>
>> Jakob,
>>
>> Thanks for sending this. I do like the uncluttered presentation of
>> bing IMG search results and would like to move the G3 default theme in
>> that direction.
>>
>> I would prefer to have a consolidated  menu which combines both quick
>> and the new thumb menu. This menu would show a list of all actions the
>> current user has permissions to run.
>>
>> I'm open to the display of a thumbnail's metadata on hover too.
>>
>> The bing effect should be relatively easy to achieve.
>>
>> - Chad
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Jakob Hilden <jakobhilden@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> with the introduction of the Digibug module a new "contextual menu"
>> has
>> been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3 album view.  I'm
>> talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom of each photo,
>> when
>> you have the digibug module activated.  In addition, we already have
>> the
>> Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a picture and has
>> options
>> like editing, deleting, moving a photo.
>>
>> The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer was that we would
>> have
>> two different places for end-user options (print, add to cart, show on
>> map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).
>>
>> Another option would have been to incorporate them into one single
>> photo
>> context menu that would include all the options and display different
>> items based on whether you are an admin or not.
>>
>> I would be interested in what people think about that and what they
>> would prefer.
>>
>>
>> In connection with talking about the image box, I really like the
>> image
>> search UX of Bing:
>> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gallery&go=&form=QB&qs=n
>>
>> I think we could use that as an inspiration for G3.  We could make the
>> standard view even cleaner than it is right now and display some
>> additional contextual information (like owner, view count, maybe
>> dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over the picture.
>>
>> I would be interested what people think about that as well.
>>
>> --Jakob
>>
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[Chad Kieffer-3]

I propose that we combine the quick and thumb menus into a single menu  
containing all admin and end-user options. User permissions should  
determine which menu options are visible to the user. We can visually  
segment the menu pane into admin and end-user sections.

If we choose to hide metadata under thumbnails until a user hovers  
over the image, the new options menu for that item should not be  
expanded, just show a visually menu indicator. The reason for this is  
that the user should be able to view the unobstructed thumbnail when  
it's meta data is revealed. They can then hover over the item's menu  
indicator to reveal available actions.

I know that Bharat's not a fan of this approach as it adds an extra  
step for power users to get at item actions. I think the added  
simplicity in the UI outweighs this concern.

Here's the basic interaction proposal: http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu


On Jul 15, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Bharat Mediratta wrote:

>
> My feelings on this are pretty straightforward:
>
> 1) Admins should, by default, see something very similar to what their
> visitors see.  Otherwise they'll have a hard time judging the site
> through their guests eyes.  This was an oft-requested feature for G2
> that resulted in us making what I consider to be a pretty lame "view  
> as
> a guest" mode.
>
> 2) We should not ship down a lot of JS, etc for guests who don't need
> it.  The guest view should be lean and mean.
>
> 3) My mom should be able to figure out how to print photos.  However  
> we
> structure that interface should be clear, concise and obvious to
> non-technical folks.
>
> Anything which satisfies these three points will probably work for me.
>
> Kevin Nehls wrote:
>> Just one man's opinion here, but I kind of like the idea of just 1
>> menu and you can only see what you have permission to.  Maybe that's
>> only because I really like that quick menu and I'm not sure how  
>> much I
>> like that new thumb menu.  But then again, you have to know it's  
>> there
>> and hover over the image to get a menu of actions...
>>
>> I really like that bing UI.  Hover over the thumb, image pops off the
>> page and get info, videos play, it's really cool.
>>
>> In terms of the digibug print functionality specifically, if that
>> option is in the thumb menu, when looking at the resized or fullsize
>> version that option is no longer there.  So I've got to go back to  
>> the
>> page of thumbnails to print the image.  If that option was in the
>> quick menu at the top of the image/thumb, it would/could already be
>> there.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tim Almdal<tnalmdal@...> wrote:
>>> I had originally put the digibug print functionality, into the  
>>> quick links
>>> menu.  To put it back there would require a little more work  
>>> (probably not
>>> much) as the quick link menu is currently not displayed for public  
>>> users.
>>> Its not insurmountable, but is more work then just dropping an  
>>> icon on the
>>> quick menu.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>
>>> Jakob,
>>>
>>> Thanks for sending this. I do like the uncluttered presentation of
>>> bing IMG search results and would like to move the G3 default  
>>> theme in
>>> that direction.
>>>
>>> I would prefer to have a consolidated  menu which combines both  
>>> quick
>>> and the new thumb menu. This menu would show a list of all actions  
>>> the
>>> current user has permissions to run.
>>>
>>> I'm open to the display of a thumbnail's metadata on hover too.
>>>
>>> The bing effect should be relatively easy to achieve.
>>>
>>> - Chad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Jakob Hilden <jakobhilden@...>  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> with the introduction of the Digibug module a new "contextual menu"
>>> has
>>> been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3 album view.  I'm
>>> talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom of each photo,
>>> when
>>> you have the digibug module activated.  In addition, we already have
>>> the
>>> Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a picture and has
>>> options
>>> like editing, deleting, moving a photo.
>>>
>>> The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer was that we would
>>> have
>>> two different places for end-user options (print, add to cart,  
>>> show on
>>> map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).
>>>
>>> Another option would have been to incorporate them into one single
>>> photo
>>> context menu that would include all the options and display  
>>> different
>>> items based on whether you are an admin or not.
>>>
>>> I would be interested in what people think about that and what they
>>> would prefer.
>>>
>>>
>>> In connection with talking about the image box, I really like the
>>> image
>>> search UX of Bing:
>>> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gallery&go=&form=QB&qs=n
>>>
>>> I think we could use that as an inspiration for G3.  We could make  
>>> the
>>> standard view even cleaner than it is right now and display some
>>> additional contextual information (like owner, view count, maybe
>>> dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over the picture.
>>>
>>> I would be interested what people think about that as well.
>>>
>>> --Jakob
>>>
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[Bharat Mediratta]

I can see the writing on the wall :-)  I'm still a little worried that
my mom won't be able to figure out how to print photos (she doesn't
start moving the mouse until she sees a visual cue).  But I defer to you
guys on the UX front.

This also definitely simplifies the code, so +1 for that.

Chad Kieffer wrote:

> I propose that we combine the quick and thumb menus into a single menu  
> containing all admin and end-user options. User permissions should  
> determine which menu options are visible to the user. We can visually  
> segment the menu pane into admin and end-user sections.
>
> If we choose to hide metadata under thumbnails until a user hovers  
> over the image, the new options menu for that item should not be  
> expanded, just show a visually menu indicator. The reason for this is  
> that the user should be able to view the unobstructed thumbnail when  
> it's meta data is revealed. They can then hover over the item's menu  
> indicator to reveal available actions.
>
> I know that Bharat's not a fan of this approach as it adds an extra  
> step for power users to get at item actions. I think the added  
> simplicity in the UI outweighs this concern.
>
> Here's the basic interaction proposal: http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Bharat Mediratta wrote:
>
>> My feelings on this are pretty straightforward:
>>
>> 1) Admins should, by default, see something very similar to what their
>> visitors see.  Otherwise they'll have a hard time judging the site
>> through their guests eyes.  This was an oft-requested feature for G2
>> that resulted in us making what I consider to be a pretty lame "view  
>> as
>> a guest" mode.
>>
>> 2) We should not ship down a lot of JS, etc for guests who don't need
>> it.  The guest view should be lean and mean.
>>
>> 3) My mom should be able to figure out how to print photos.  However  
>> we
>> structure that interface should be clear, concise and obvious to
>> non-technical folks.
>>
>> Anything which satisfies these three points will probably work for me.
>>
>> Kevin Nehls wrote:
>>> Just one man's opinion here, but I kind of like the idea of just 1
>>> menu and you can only see what you have permission to.  Maybe that's
>>> only because I really like that quick menu and I'm not sure how  
>>> much I
>>> like that new thumb menu.  But then again, you have to know it's  
>>> there
>>> and hover over the image to get a menu of actions...
>>>
>>> I really like that bing UI.  Hover over the thumb, image pops off the
>>> page and get info, videos play, it's really cool.
>>>
>>> In terms of the digibug print functionality specifically, if that
>>> option is in the thumb menu, when looking at the resized or fullsize
>>> version that option is no longer there.  So I've got to go back to  
>>> the
>>> page of thumbnails to print the image.  If that option was in the
>>> quick menu at the top of the image/thumb, it would/could already be
>>> there.
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tim Almdal<tnalmdal@...> wrote:
>>>> I had originally put the digibug print functionality, into the  
>>>> quick links
>>>> menu.  To put it back there would require a little more work  
>>>> (probably not
>>>> much) as the quick link menu is currently not displayed for public  
>>>> users.
>>>> Its not insurmountable, but is more work then just dropping an  
>>>> icon on the
>>>> quick menu.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jakob,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for sending this. I do like the uncluttered presentation of
>>>> bing IMG search results and would like to move the G3 default  
>>>> theme in
>>>> that direction.
>>>>
>>>> I would prefer to have a consolidated  menu which combines both  
>>>> quick
>>>> and the new thumb menu. This menu would show a list of all actions  
>>>> the
>>>> current user has permissions to run.
>>>>
>>>> I'm open to the display of a thumbnail's metadata on hover too.
>>>>
>>>> The bing effect should be relatively easy to achieve.
>>>>
>>>> - Chad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Jakob Hilden <jakobhilden@...>  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> with the introduction of the Digibug module a new "contextual menu"
>>>> has
>>>> been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3 album view.  I'm
>>>> talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom of each photo,
>>>> when
>>>> you have the digibug module activated.  In addition, we already have
>>>> the
>>>> Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a picture and has
>>>> options
>>>> like editing, deleting, moving a photo.
>>>>
>>>> The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer was that we would
>>>> have
>>>> two different places for end-user options (print, add to cart,  
>>>> show on
>>>> map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).
>>>>
>>>> Another option would have been to incorporate them into one single
>>>> photo
>>>> context menu that would include all the options and display  
>>>> different
>>>> items based on whether you are an admin or not.
>>>>
>>>> I would be interested in what people think about that and what they
>>>> would prefer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In connection with talking about the image box, I really like the
>>>> image
>>>> search UX of Bing:
>>>> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gallery&go=&form=QB&qs=n
>>>>
>>>> I think we could use that as an inspiration for G3.  We could make  
>>>> the
>>>> standard view even cleaner than it is right now and display some
>>>> additional contextual information (like owner, view count, maybe
>>>> dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over the picture.
>>>>
>>>> I would be interested what people think about that as well.
>>>>
>>>> --Jakob
>>>>
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[Chad Kieffer-3]

I certainly don't want to make things hard for yours, or mine or  
anyone's mother. Just trying to find some sort of balance.

Jakob, everyone, thoughts?



On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Bharat Mediratta <bharat@...>  
wrote:

>
> I can see the writing on the wall :-)  I'm still a little worried that
> my mom won't be able to figure out how to print photos (she doesn't
> start moving the mouse until she sees a visual cue).  But I defer to  
> you
> guys on the UX front.
>
> This also definitely simplifies the code, so +1 for that.
>
> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>> I propose that we combine the quick and thumb menus into a single  
>> menu
>> containing all admin and end-user options. User permissions should
>> determine which menu options are visible to the user. We can visually
>> segment the menu pane into admin and end-user sections.
>>
>> If we choose to hide metadata under thumbnails until a user hovers
>> over the image, the new options menu for that item should not be
>> expanded, just show a visually menu indicator. The reason for this is
>> that the user should be able to view the unobstructed thumbnail when
>> it's meta data is revealed. They can then hover over the item's menu
>> indicator to reveal available actions.
>>
>> I know that Bharat's not a fan of this approach as it adds an extra
>> step for power users to get at item actions. I think the added
>> simplicity in the UI outweighs this concern.
>>
>> Here's the basic interaction proposal: http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
>>
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Bharat Mediratta wrote:
>>
>>> My feelings on this are pretty straightforward:
>>>
>>> 1) Admins should, by default, see something very similar to what  
>>> their
>>> visitors see.  Otherwise they'll have a hard time judging the site
>>> through their guests eyes.  This was an oft-requested feature for G2
>>> that resulted in us making what I consider to be a pretty lame "view
>>> as
>>> a guest" mode.
>>>
>>> 2) We should not ship down a lot of JS, etc for guests who don't  
>>> need
>>> it.  The guest view should be lean and mean.
>>>
>>> 3) My mom should be able to figure out how to print photos.  However
>>> we
>>> structure that interface should be clear, concise and obvious to
>>> non-technical folks.
>>>
>>> Anything which satisfies these three points will probably work for  
>>> me.
>>>
>>> Kevin Nehls wrote:
>>>> Just one man's opinion here, but I kind of like the idea of just 1
>>>> menu and you can only see what you have permission to.  Maybe  
>>>> that's
>>>> only because I really like that quick menu and I'm not sure how
>>>> much I
>>>> like that new thumb menu.  But then again, you have to know it's
>>>> there
>>>> and hover over the image to get a menu of actions...
>>>>
>>>> I really like that bing UI.  Hover over the thumb, image pops off  
>>>> the
>>>> page and get info, videos play, it's really cool.
>>>>
>>>> In terms of the digibug print functionality specifically, if that
>>>> option is in the thumb menu, when looking at the resized or  
>>>> fullsize
>>>> version that option is no longer there.  So I've got to go back to
>>>> the
>>>> page of thumbnails to print the image.  If that option was in the
>>>> quick menu at the top of the image/thumb, it would/could already be
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> Kevin
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tim Almdal<tnalmdal@...>  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I had originally put the digibug print functionality, into the
>>>>> quick links
>>>>> menu.  To put it back there would require a little more work
>>>>> (probably not
>>>>> much) as the quick link menu is currently not displayed for public
>>>>> users.
>>>>> Its not insurmountable, but is more work then just dropping an
>>>>> icon on the
>>>>> quick menu.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jakob,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for sending this. I do like the uncluttered presentation of
>>>>> bing IMG search results and would like to move the G3 default
>>>>> theme in
>>>>> that direction.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would prefer to have a consolidated  menu which combines both
>>>>> quick
>>>>> and the new thumb menu. This menu would show a list of all actions
>>>>> the
>>>>> current user has permissions to run.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm open to the display of a thumbnail's metadata on hover too.
>>>>>
>>>>> The bing effect should be relatively easy to achieve.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Chad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Jakob Hilden <jakobhilden@...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> with the introduction of the Digibug module a new "contextual  
>>>>> menu"
>>>>> has
>>>>> been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3 album view.  I'm
>>>>> talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom of each  
>>>>> photo,
>>>>> when
>>>>> you have the digibug module activated.  In addition, we already  
>>>>> have
>>>>> the
>>>>> Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a picture and has
>>>>> options
>>>>> like editing, deleting, moving a photo.
>>>>>
>>>>> The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer was that we  
>>>>> would
>>>>> have
>>>>> two different places for end-user options (print, add to cart,
>>>>> show on
>>>>> map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).
>>>>>
>>>>> Another option would have been to incorporate them into one single
>>>>> photo
>>>>> context menu that would include all the options and display
>>>>> different
>>>>> items based on whether you are an admin or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be interested in what people think about that and what  
>>>>> they
>>>>> would prefer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In connection with talking about the image box, I really like the
>>>>> image
>>>>> search UX of Bing:
>>>>> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gallery&go=&form=QB&qs=n
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we could use that as an inspiration for G3.  We could make
>>>>> the
>>>>> standard view even cleaner than it is right now and display some
>>>>> additional contextual information (like owner, view count, maybe
>>>>> dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over the picture.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be interested what people think about that as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Jakob
>>>>>
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[floridave]

My only opinion is that for simplification the print button should
only be shown and the photo page.
I don't think it should be shown as a menu item for the thumbnail/album view,
as it might confuse the user that she is going to print series of
thumbnails of the album

Dave

At 08:52 AM 7/17/2009, Chad Kieffer wrote:

>I certainly don't want to make things hard for yours, or mine or
>anyone's mother. Just trying to find some sort of balance.
>
>Jakob, everyone, thoughts?
>
>
>
>On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Bharat Mediratta <bharat@...>
>wrote:
>
> >
> > I can see the writing on the wall :-)  I'm still a little worried that
> > my mom won't be able to figure out how to print photos (she doesn't
> > start moving the mouse until she sees a visual cue).  But I defer to
> > you
> > guys on the UX front.
> >
> > This also definitely simplifies the code, so +1 for that.
> >
> > Chad Kieffer wrote:
> >> I propose that we combine the quick and thumb menus into a single
> >> menu
> >> containing all admin and end-user options. User permissions should
> >> determine which menu options are visible to the user. We can visually
> >> segment the menu pane into admin and end-user sections.
> >>
> >> If we choose to hide metadata under thumbnails until a user hovers
> >> over the image, the new options menu for that item should not be
> >> expanded, just show a visually menu indicator. The reason for this is
> >> that the user should be able to view the unobstructed thumbnail when
> >> it's meta data is revealed. They can then hover over the item's menu
> >> indicator to reveal available actions.
> >>
> >> I know that Bharat's not a fan of this approach as it adds an extra
> >> step for power users to get at item actions. I think the added
> >> simplicity in the UI outweighs this concern.
> >>
> >> Here's the basic interaction proposal:
> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 15, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Bharat Mediratta wrote:
> >>
> >>> My feelings on this are pretty straightforward:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Admins should, by default, see something very similar to what
> >>> their
> >>> visitors see.  Otherwise they'll have a hard time judging the site
> >>> through their guests eyes.  This was an oft-requested feature for G2
> >>> that resulted in us making what I consider to be a pretty lame "view
> >>> as
> >>> a guest" mode.
> >>>
> >>> 2) We should not ship down a lot of JS, etc for guests who don't
> >>> need
> >>> it.  The guest view should be lean and mean.
> >>>
> >>> 3) My mom should be able to figure out how to print photos.  However
> >>> we
> >>> structure that interface should be clear, concise and obvious to
> >>> non-technical folks.
> >>>
> >>> Anything which satisfies these three points will probably work for
> >>> me.
> >>>
> >>> Kevin Nehls wrote:
> >>>> Just one man's opinion here, but I kind of like the idea of just 1
> >>>> menu and you can only see what you have permission to.  Maybe
> >>>> that's
> >>>> only because I really like that quick menu and I'm not sure how
> >>>> much I
> >>>> like that new thumb menu.  But then again, you have to know it's
> >>>> there
> >>>> and hover over the image to get a menu of actions...
> >>>>
> >>>> I really like that bing UI.  Hover over the thumb, image pops off
> >>>> the
> >>>> page and get info, videos play, it's really cool.
> >>>>
> >>>> In terms of the digibug print functionality specifically, if that
> >>>> option is in the thumb menu, when looking at the resized or
> >>>> fullsize
> >>>> version that option is no longer there.  So I've got to go back to
> >>>> the
> >>>> page of thumbnails to print the image.  If that option was in the
> >>>> quick menu at the top of the image/thumb, it would/could already be
> >>>> there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kevin
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tim Almdal<tnalmdal@...>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> I had originally put the digibug print functionality, into the
> >>>>> quick links
> >>>>> menu.  To put it back there would require a little more work
> >>>>> (probably not
> >>>>> much) as the quick link menu is currently not displayed for public
> >>>>> users.
> >>>>> Its not insurmountable, but is more work then just dropping an
> >>>>> icon on the
> >>>>> quick menu.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tim
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jakob,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for sending this. I do like the uncluttered presentation of
> >>>>> bing IMG search results and would like to move the G3 default
> >>>>> theme in
> >>>>> that direction.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would prefer to have a consolidated  menu which combines both
> >>>>> quick
> >>>>> and the new thumb menu. This menu would show a list of all actions
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> current user has permissions to run.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm open to the display of a thumbnail's metadata on hover too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The bing effect should be relatively easy to achieve.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Chad
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Jakob Hilden <jakobhilden@...>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> with the introduction of the Digibug module a new "contextual
> >>>>> menu"
> >>>>> has
> >>>>> been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3 album view.  I'm
> >>>>> talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom of each
> >>>>> photo,
> >>>>> when
> >>>>> you have the digibug module activated.  In addition, we already
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a picture and has
> >>>>> options
> >>>>> like editing, deleting, moving a photo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer was that we
> >>>>> would
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> two different places for end-user options (print, add to cart,
> >>>>> show on
> >>>>> map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Another option would have been to incorporate them into one single
> >>>>> photo
> >>>>> context menu that would include all the options and display
> >>>>> different
> >>>>> items based on whether you are an admin or not.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would be interested in what people think about that and what
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> would prefer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In connection with talking about the image box, I really like the
> >>>>> image
> >>>>> search UX of Bing:
> >>>>> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gallery&go=&form=QB&qs=n
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think we could use that as an inspiration for G3.  We could make
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> standard view even cleaner than it is right now and display some
> >>>>> additional contextual information (like owner, view count, maybe
> >>>>> dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over the picture.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would be interested what people think about that as well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --Jakob
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[Jakob Hilden]

My thought on this was along the same lines as Dave's.  I think for all
the moms in the world it should be totally fine to be able to find the
print button in the photo view.

The more advanced users can save a step and print directly from the
album view hover menu.  I don't think there will be much confusion on
whether one is printing a series of photos.  Also because you can see
exactly what you are printing on the Digibug page.
But talking of that,  is it possible to print a series of photos?

I do like Chad's suggestion to combine the two menus and also to hide
(some of) the menu items first.  However, I don't know if we should make
the segmentation based on end-user vs. admin, but maybe just display
like the 4 most commonly used items (determined by us) right away, and
have the rest appear on another hover.  What do you think?

--Jakob



Dave Moore wrote:

> My only opinion is that for simplification the print button should
> only be shown and the photo page.
> I don't think it should be shown as a menu item for the thumbnail/album view,
> as it might confuse the user that she is going to print series of
> thumbnails of the album
>
> Dave
>
> At 08:52 AM 7/17/2009, Chad Kieffer wrote:
>> I certainly don't want to make things hard for yours, or mine or
>> anyone's mother. Just trying to find some sort of balance.
>>
>> Jakob, everyone, thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Bharat Mediratta <bharat@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I can see the writing on the wall :-)  I'm still a little worried that
>>> my mom won't be able to figure out how to print photos (she doesn't
>>> start moving the mouse until she sees a visual cue).  But I defer to
>>> you
>>> guys on the UX front.
>>>
>>> This also definitely simplifies the code, so +1 for that.
>>>
>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>> I propose that we combine the quick and thumb menus into a single
>>>> menu
>>>> containing all admin and end-user options. User permissions should
>>>> determine which menu options are visible to the user. We can visually
>>>> segment the menu pane into admin and end-user sections.
>>>>
>>>> If we choose to hide metadata under thumbnails until a user hovers
>>>> over the image, the new options menu for that item should not be
>>>> expanded, just show a visually menu indicator. The reason for this is
>>>> that the user should be able to view the unobstructed thumbnail when
>>>> it's meta data is revealed. They can then hover over the item's menu
>>>> indicator to reveal available actions.
>>>>
>>>> I know that Bharat's not a fan of this approach as it adds an extra
>>>> step for power users to get at item actions. I think the added
>>>> simplicity in the UI outweighs this concern.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the basic interaction proposal:
>> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Bharat Mediratta wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My feelings on this are pretty straightforward:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Admins should, by default, see something very similar to what
>>>>> their
>>>>> visitors see.  Otherwise they'll have a hard time judging the site
>>>>> through their guests eyes.  This was an oft-requested feature for G2
>>>>> that resulted in us making what I consider to be a pretty lame "view
>>>>> as
>>>>> a guest" mode.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) We should not ship down a lot of JS, etc for guests who don't
>>>>> need
>>>>> it.  The guest view should be lean and mean.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) My mom should be able to figure out how to print photos.  However
>>>>> we
>>>>> structure that interface should be clear, concise and obvious to
>>>>> non-technical folks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything which satisfies these three points will probably work for
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin Nehls wrote:
>>>>>> Just one man's opinion here, but I kind of like the idea of just 1
>>>>>> menu and you can only see what you have permission to.  Maybe
>>>>>> that's
>>>>>> only because I really like that quick menu and I'm not sure how
>>>>>> much I
>>>>>> like that new thumb menu.  But then again, you have to know it's
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> and hover over the image to get a menu of actions...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really like that bing UI.  Hover over the thumb, image pops off
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> page and get info, videos play, it's really cool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In terms of the digibug print functionality specifically, if that
>>>>>> option is in the thumb menu, when looking at the resized or
>>>>>> fullsize
>>>>>> version that option is no longer there.  So I've got to go back to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> page of thumbnails to print the image.  If that option was in the
>>>>>> quick menu at the top of the image/thumb, it would/could already be
>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tim Almdal<tnalmdal@...>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I had originally put the digibug print functionality, into the
>>>>>>> quick links
>>>>>>> menu.  To put it back there would require a little more work
>>>>>>> (probably not
>>>>>>> much) as the quick link menu is currently not displayed for public
>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>> Its not insurmountable, but is more work then just dropping an
>>>>>>> icon on the
>>>>>>> quick menu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jakob,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this. I do like the uncluttered presentation of
>>>>>>> bing IMG search results and would like to move the G3 default
>>>>>>> theme in
>>>>>>> that direction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would prefer to have a consolidated  menu which combines both
>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>> and the new thumb menu. This menu would show a list of all actions
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> current user has permissions to run.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm open to the display of a thumbnail's metadata on hover too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bing effect should be relatively easy to achieve.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Chad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Jakob Hilden <jakobhilden@...>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with the introduction of the Digibug module a new "contextual
>>>>>>> menu"
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3 album view.  I'm
>>>>>>> talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom of each
>>>>>>> photo,
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> you have the digibug module activated.  In addition, we already
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a picture and has
>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>> like editing, deleting, moving a photo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer was that we
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> two different places for end-user options (print, add to cart,
>>>>>>> show on
>>>>>>> map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another option would have been to incorporate them into one single
>>>>>>> photo
>>>>>>> context menu that would include all the options and display
>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>> items based on whether you are an admin or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would be interested in what people think about that and what
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> would prefer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In connection with talking about the image box, I really like the
>>>>>>> image
>>>>>>> search UX of Bing:
>>>>>>> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gallery&go=&form=QB&qs=n
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think we could use that as an inspiration for G3.  We could make
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> standard view even cleaner than it is right now and display some
>>>>>>> additional contextual information (like owner, view count, maybe
>>>>>>> dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over the picture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would be interested what people think about that as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Jakob
>>>>>>>
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[Kevin Nehls]

That's exactly what I was thinking.  I was thinking that instead of
having just the "Options" drop-down we should display some common
end-user functions there, print, twitter, view full-size, ecard, what
ever they happen to be, with the Options drop-down below those
functions.  Maybe make that an option in the plugins or the ability
for the plugin designer to specify if an icon for their plugin shows
up there and they should really make sure there is an option to turn
that off so the site admin can make sure their menus don't get too
cluttered and they can choose what goes there.

Now we keep talking about printing, but not everyone is going to have
or use the digibug plugin.  What if you just want an option to print
to the person's local printer?  Basically just pop the full-size image
into a new window and use javascript to pop open the browser's print
dialog?  Of course that can be left for some plugin designer
(rWatcher?) :)

I want to have the pages as uncluttered as possible.  I think we can
do that without having a menu on the side ala Bing.  If viewing a
photo have a couple commonly used functions (selectable by the site
admin) to have their icons show up on the photo page, like a print
icon.  It makes it very obvious of what you can do there.   Then if
someone hovers over the image, they get the quick pane menu.  Or have
some other visual cue that there is a menu to hover over on that page?

Of course Shai brought up a good point about people with touchpads.
The the only touchpad laptop I've used you still could move the mouse
cursor by dragging your finger across the screen.

I'm rambling thoughts again.... That's why I deleted my message I had
typed up yesterday....

Of course this all potentially adds complexity too.

Kevin

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Jakob Hilden<jakobhilden@...> wrote:

> My thought on this was along the same lines as Dave's.  I think for all
> the moms in the world it should be totally fine to be able to find the
> print button in the photo view.
>
> The more advanced users can save a step and print directly from the
> album view hover menu.  I don't think there will be much confusion on
> whether one is printing a series of photos.  Also because you can see
> exactly what you are printing on the Digibug page.
> But talking of that,  is it possible to print a series of photos?
>
> I do like Chad's suggestion to combine the two menus and also to hide
> (some of) the menu items first.  However, I don't know if we should make
> the segmentation based on end-user vs. admin, but maybe just display
> like the 4 most commonly used items (determined by us) right away, and
> have the rest appear on another hover.  What do you think?
>
> --Jakob
>
>
>
> Dave Moore wrote:
>> My only opinion is that for simplification the print button should
>> only be shown and the photo page.
>> I don't think it should be shown as a menu item for the thumbnail/album view,
>> as it might confuse the user that she is going to print series of
>> thumbnails of the album
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 08:52 AM 7/17/2009, Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>> I certainly don't want to make things hard for yours, or mine or
>>> anyone's mother. Just trying to find some sort of balance.
>>>
>>> Jakob, everyone, thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Bharat Mediratta <bharat@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can see the writing on the wall :-)  I'm still a little worried that
>>>> my mom won't be able to figure out how to print photos (she doesn't
>>>> start moving the mouse until she sees a visual cue).  But I defer to
>>>> you
>>>> guys on the UX front.
>>>>
>>>> This also definitely simplifies the code, so +1 for that.
>>>>
>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>>> I propose that we combine the quick and thumb menus into a single
>>>>> menu
>>>>> containing all admin and end-user options. User permissions should
>>>>> determine which menu options are visible to the user. We can visually
>>>>> segment the menu pane into admin and end-user sections.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we choose to hide metadata under thumbnails until a user hovers
>>>>> over the image, the new options menu for that item should not be
>>>>> expanded, just show a visually menu indicator. The reason for this is
>>>>> that the user should be able to view the unobstructed thumbnail when
>>>>> it's meta data is revealed. They can then hover over the item's menu
>>>>> indicator to reveal available actions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that Bharat's not a fan of this approach as it adds an extra
>>>>> step for power users to get at item actions. I think the added
>>>>> simplicity in the UI outweighs this concern.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the basic interaction proposal:
>>> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Bharat Mediratta wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My feelings on this are pretty straightforward:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Admins should, by default, see something very similar to what
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> visitors see.  Otherwise they'll have a hard time judging the site
>>>>>> through their guests eyes.  This was an oft-requested feature for G2
>>>>>> that resulted in us making what I consider to be a pretty lame "view
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> a guest" mode.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) We should not ship down a lot of JS, etc for guests who don't
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> it.  The guest view should be lean and mean.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) My mom should be able to figure out how to print photos.  However
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> structure that interface should be clear, concise and obvious to
>>>>>> non-technical folks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anything which satisfies these three points will probably work for
>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin Nehls wrote:
>>>>>>> Just one man's opinion here, but I kind of like the idea of just 1
>>>>>>> menu and you can only see what you have permission to.  Maybe
>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>> only because I really like that quick menu and I'm not sure how
>>>>>>> much I
>>>>>>> like that new thumb menu.  But then again, you have to know it's
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> and hover over the image to get a menu of actions...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really like that bing UI.  Hover over the thumb, image pops off
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> page and get info, videos play, it's really cool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In terms of the digibug print functionality specifically, if that
>>>>>>> option is in the thumb menu, when looking at the resized or
>>>>>>> fullsize
>>>>>>> version that option is no longer there.  So I've got to go back to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> page of thumbnails to print the image.  If that option was in the
>>>>>>> quick menu at the top of the image/thumb, it would/could already be
>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tim Almdal<tnalmdal@...>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I had originally put the digibug print functionality, into the
>>>>>>>> quick links
>>>>>>>> menu.  To put it back there would require a little more work
>>>>>>>> (probably not
>>>>>>>> much) as the quick link menu is currently not displayed for public
>>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>> Its not insurmountable, but is more work then just dropping an
>>>>>>>> icon on the
>>>>>>>> quick menu.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jakob,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this. I do like the uncluttered presentation of
>>>>>>>> bing IMG search results and would like to move the G3 default
>>>>>>>> theme in
>>>>>>>> that direction.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would prefer to have a consolidated  menu which combines both
>>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>>> and the new thumb menu. This menu would show a list of all actions
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> current user has permissions to run.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm open to the display of a thumbnail's metadata on hover too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The bing effect should be relatively easy to achieve.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Chad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Jakob Hilden <jakobhilden@...>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> with the introduction of the Digibug module a new "contextual
>>>>>>>> menu"
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3 album view.  I'm
>>>>>>>> talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom of each
>>>>>>>> photo,
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> you have the digibug module activated.  In addition, we already
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a picture and has
>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>> like editing, deleting, moving a photo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer was that we
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> two different places for end-user options (print, add to cart,
>>>>>>>> show on
>>>>>>>> map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another option would have been to incorporate them into one single
>>>>>>>> photo
>>>>>>>> context menu that would include all the options and display
>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>> items based on whether you are an admin or not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would be interested in what people think about that and what
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> would prefer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In connection with talking about the image box, I really like the
>>>>>>>> image
>>>>>>>> search UX of Bing:
>>>>>>>> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gallery&go=&form=QB&qs=n
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think we could use that as an inspiration for G3.  We could make
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> standard view even cleaner than it is right now and display some
>>>>>>>> additional contextual information (like owner, view count, maybe
>>>>>>>> dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over the picture.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would be interested what people think about that as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --Jakob
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[Chad Kieffer-3]

These are all great suggestions, and I think I understand the general  
ideas being expressed.

I'll make an update to the wiki page prototypes to incorporate  
comments and post later today.

Thanks,
Chad


On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Kevin Nehls wrote:

> That's exactly what I was thinking.  I was thinking that instead of
> having just the "Options" drop-down we should display some common
> end-user functions there, print, twitter, view full-size, ecard, what
> ever they happen to be, with the Options drop-down below those
> functions.  Maybe make that an option in the plugins or the ability
> for the plugin designer to specify if an icon for their plugin shows
> up there and they should really make sure there is an option to turn
> that off so the site admin can make sure their menus don't get too
> cluttered and they can choose what goes there.
>
> Now we keep talking about printing, but not everyone is going to have
> or use the digibug plugin.  What if you just want an option to print
> to the person's local printer?  Basically just pop the full-size image
> into a new window and use javascript to pop open the browser's print
> dialog?  Of course that can be left for some plugin designer
> (rWatcher?) :)
>
> I want to have the pages as uncluttered as possible.  I think we can
> do that without having a menu on the side ala Bing.  If viewing a
> photo have a couple commonly used functions (selectable by the site
> admin) to have their icons show up on the photo page, like a print
> icon.  It makes it very obvious of what you can do there.   Then if
> someone hovers over the image, they get the quick pane menu.  Or have
> some other visual cue that there is a menu to hover over on that page?
>
> Of course Shai brought up a good point about people with touchpads.
> The the only touchpad laptop I've used you still could move the mouse
> cursor by dragging your finger across the screen.
>
> I'm rambling thoughts again.... That's why I deleted my message I had
> typed up yesterday....
>
> Of course this all potentially adds complexity too.
>
> Kevin
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Jakob Hilden<jakobhilden@...>  
> wrote:
>> My thought on this was along the same lines as Dave's.  I think for  
>> all
>> the moms in the world it should be totally fine to be able to find  
>> the
>> print button in the photo view.
>>
>> The more advanced users can save a step and print directly from the
>> album view hover menu.  I don't think there will be much confusion on
>> whether one is printing a series of photos.  Also because you can see
>> exactly what you are printing on the Digibug page.
>> But talking of that,  is it possible to print a series of photos?
>>
>> I do like Chad's suggestion to combine the two menus and also to hide
>> (some of) the menu items first.  However, I don't know if we should  
>> make
>> the segmentation based on end-user vs. admin, but maybe just display
>> like the 4 most commonly used items (determined by us) right away,  
>> and
>> have the rest appear on another hover.  What do you think?
>>
>> --Jakob
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Moore wrote:
>>> My only opinion is that for simplification the print button should
>>> only be shown and the photo page.
>>> I don't think it should be shown as a menu item for the thumbnail/
>>> album view,
>>> as it might confuse the user that she is going to print series of
>>> thumbnails of the album
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 08:52 AM 7/17/2009, Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>> I certainly don't want to make things hard for yours, or mine or
>>>> anyone's mother. Just trying to find some sort of balance.
>>>>
>>>> Jakob, everyone, thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Bharat Mediratta <bharat@...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can see the writing on the wall :-)  I'm still a little  
>>>>> worried that
>>>>> my mom won't be able to figure out how to print photos (she  
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> start moving the mouse until she sees a visual cue).  But I  
>>>>> defer to
>>>>> you
>>>>> guys on the UX front.
>>>>>
>>>>> This also definitely simplifies the code, so +1 for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>>>> I propose that we combine the quick and thumb menus into a single
>>>>>> menu
>>>>>> containing all admin and end-user options. User permissions  
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> determine which menu options are visible to the user. We can  
>>>>>> visually
>>>>>> segment the menu pane into admin and end-user sections.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we choose to hide metadata under thumbnails until a user  
>>>>>> hovers
>>>>>> over the image, the new options menu for that item should not be
>>>>>> expanded, just show a visually menu indicator. The reason for  
>>>>>> this is
>>>>>> that the user should be able to view the unobstructed thumbnail  
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> it's meta data is revealed. They can then hover over the item's  
>>>>>> menu
>>>>>> indicator to reveal available actions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that Bharat's not a fan of this approach as it adds an  
>>>>>> extra
>>>>>> step for power users to get at item actions. I think the added
>>>>>> simplicity in the UI outweighs this concern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the basic interaction proposal:
>>>> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Bharat Mediratta wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My feelings on this are pretty straightforward:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Admins should, by default, see something very similar to what
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> visitors see.  Otherwise they'll have a hard time judging the  
>>>>>>> site
>>>>>>> through their guests eyes.  This was an oft-requested feature  
>>>>>>> for G2
>>>>>>> that resulted in us making what I consider to be a pretty lame  
>>>>>>> "view
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> a guest" mode.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) We should not ship down a lot of JS, etc for guests who don't
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> it.  The guest view should be lean and mean.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3) My mom should be able to figure out how to print photos.  
>>>>>>> However
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> structure that interface should be clear, concise and obvious to
>>>>>>> non-technical folks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anything which satisfies these three points will probably work  
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kevin Nehls wrote:
>>>>>>>> Just one man's opinion here, but I kind of like the idea of  
>>>>>>>> just 1
>>>>>>>> menu and you can only see what you have permission to.  Maybe
>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>> only because I really like that quick menu and I'm not sure how
>>>>>>>> much I
>>>>>>>> like that new thumb menu.  But then again, you have to know  
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> and hover over the image to get a menu of actions...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really like that bing UI.  Hover over the thumb, image pops  
>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> page and get info, videos play, it's really cool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In terms of the digibug print functionality specifically, if  
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> option is in the thumb menu, when looking at the resized or
>>>>>>>> fullsize
>>>>>>>> version that option is no longer there.  So I've got to go  
>>>>>>>> back to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> page of thumbnails to print the image.  If that option was in  
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> quick menu at the top of the image/thumb, it would/could  
>>>>>>>> already be
>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tim Almdal<tnalmdal@...>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I had originally put the digibug print functionality, into the
>>>>>>>>> quick links
>>>>>>>>> menu.  To put it back there would require a little more work
>>>>>>>>> (probably not
>>>>>>>>> much) as the quick link menu is currently not displayed for  
>>>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>>> Its not insurmountable, but is more work then just dropping an
>>>>>>>>> icon on the
>>>>>>>>> quick menu.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jakob,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this. I do like the uncluttered  
>>>>>>>>> presentation of
>>>>>>>>> bing IMG search results and would like to move the G3 default
>>>>>>>>> theme in
>>>>>>>>> that direction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would prefer to have a consolidated  menu which combines  
>>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>>>> and the new thumb menu. This menu would show a list of all  
>>>>>>>>> actions
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> current user has permissions to run.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm open to the display of a thumbnail's metadata on hover  
>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The bing effect should be relatively easy to achieve.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Chad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Jakob Hilden <jakobhilden@...
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with the introduction of the Digibug module a new "contextual
>>>>>>>>> menu"
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3 album  
>>>>>>>>> view.  I'm
>>>>>>>>> talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom of each
>>>>>>>>> photo,
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> you have the digibug module activated.  In addition, we  
>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a picture and  
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>> like editing, deleting, moving a photo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer was that we
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> two different places for end-user options (print, add to cart,
>>>>>>>>> show on
>>>>>>>>> map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another option would have been to incorporate them into one  
>>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>>> photo
>>>>>>>>> context menu that would include all the options and display
>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>> items based on whether you are an admin or not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would be interested in what people think about that and what
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> would prefer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In connection with talking about the image box, I really  
>>>>>>>>> like the
>>>>>>>>> image
>>>>>>>>> search UX of Bing:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gallery&go=&form=QB&qs=n
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think we could use that as an inspiration for G3.  We  
>>>>>>>>> could make
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> standard view even cleaner than it is right now and display  
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> additional contextual information (like owner, view count,  
>>>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>>> dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over the picture.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would be interested what people think about that as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --Jakob
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[Chad Kieffer-3]

Okay. Interaction wireframe updated.

http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu

I'll begin working on the JS/CSS if someone can combine the menus and  
handle the permissions. One menu container with two divs seem to be  
the approach. I included the HTML markup on the wiki page.

http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu

- Chad


On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Kevin Nehls wrote:

> That's exactly what I was thinking.  I was thinking that instead of
> having just the "Options" drop-down we should display some common
> end-user functions there, print, twitter, view full-size, ecard, what
> ever they happen to be, with the Options drop-down below those
> functions.  Maybe make that an option in the plugins or the ability
> for the plugin designer to specify if an icon for their plugin shows
> up there and they should really make sure there is an option to turn
> that off so the site admin can make sure their menus don't get too
> cluttered and they can choose what goes there.
>
> Now we keep talking about printing, but not everyone is going to have
> or use the digibug plugin.  What if you just want an option to print
> to the person's local printer?  Basically just pop the full-size image
> into a new window and use javascript to pop open the browser's print
> dialog?  Of course that can be left for some plugin designer
> (rWatcher?) :)
>
> I want to have the pages as uncluttered as possible.  I think we can
> do that without having a menu on the side ala Bing.  If viewing a
> photo have a couple commonly used functions (selectable by the site
> admin) to have their icons show up on the photo page, like a print
> icon.  It makes it very obvious of what you can do there.   Then if
> someone hovers over the image, they get the quick pane menu.  Or have
> some other visual cue that there is a menu to hover over on that page?
>
> Of course Shai brought up a good point about people with touchpads.
> The the only touchpad laptop I've used you still could move the mouse
> cursor by dragging your finger across the screen.
>
> I'm rambling thoughts again.... That's why I deleted my message I had
> typed up yesterday....
>
> Of course this all potentially adds complexity too.
>
> Kevin
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Jakob Hilden<jakobhilden@...>  
> wrote:
>> My thought on this was along the same lines as Dave's.  I think for  
>> all
>> the moms in the world it should be totally fine to be able to find  
>> the
>> print button in the photo view.
>>
>> The more advanced users can save a step and print directly from the
>> album view hover menu.  I don't think there will be much confusion on
>> whether one is printing a series of photos.  Also because you can see
>> exactly what you are printing on the Digibug page.
>> But talking of that,  is it possible to print a series of photos?
>>
>> I do like Chad's suggestion to combine the two menus and also to hide
>> (some of) the menu items first.  However, I don't know if we should  
>> make
>> the segmentation based on end-user vs. admin, but maybe just display
>> like the 4 most commonly used items (determined by us) right away,  
>> and
>> have the rest appear on another hover.  What do you think?
>>
>> --Jakob
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Moore wrote:
>>> My only opinion is that for simplification the print button should
>>> only be shown and the photo page.
>>> I don't think it should be shown as a menu item for the thumbnail/
>>> album view,
>>> as it might confuse the user that she is going to print series of
>>> thumbnails of the album
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 08:52 AM 7/17/2009, Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>> I certainly don't want to make things hard for yours, or mine or
>>>> anyone's mother. Just trying to find some sort of balance.
>>>>
>>>> Jakob, everyone, thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Bharat Mediratta <bharat@...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can see the writing on the wall :-)  I'm still a little  
>>>>> worried that
>>>>> my mom won't be able to figure out how to print photos (she  
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> start moving the mouse until she sees a visual cue).  But I  
>>>>> defer to
>>>>> you
>>>>> guys on the UX front.
>>>>>
>>>>> This also definitely simplifies the code, so +1 for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>>>> I propose that we combine the quick and thumb menus into a single
>>>>>> menu
>>>>>> containing all admin and end-user options. User permissions  
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> determine which menu options are visible to the user. We can  
>>>>>> visually
>>>>>> segment the menu pane into admin and end-user sections.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we choose to hide metadata under thumbnails until a user  
>>>>>> hovers
>>>>>> over the image, the new options menu for that item should not be
>>>>>> expanded, just show a visually menu indicator. The reason for  
>>>>>> this is
>>>>>> that the user should be able to view the unobstructed thumbnail  
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> it's meta data is revealed. They can then hover over the item's  
>>>>>> menu
>>>>>> indicator to reveal available actions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that Bharat's not a fan of this approach as it adds an  
>>>>>> extra
>>>>>> step for power users to get at item actions. I think the added
>>>>>> simplicity in the UI outweighs this concern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the basic interaction proposal:
>>>> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Bharat Mediratta wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My feelings on this are pretty straightforward:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Admins should, by default, see something very similar to what
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> visitors see.  Otherwise they'll have a hard time judging the  
>>>>>>> site
>>>>>>> through their guests eyes.  This was an oft-requested feature  
>>>>>>> for G2
>>>>>>> that resulted in us making what I consider to be a pretty lame  
>>>>>>> "view
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> a guest" mode.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) We should not ship down a lot of JS, etc for guests who don't
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> it.  The guest view should be lean and mean.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3) My mom should be able to figure out how to print photos.  
>>>>>>> However
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> structure that interface should be clear, concise and obvious to
>>>>>>> non-technical folks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anything which satisfies these three points will probably work  
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kevin Nehls wrote:
>>>>>>>> Just one man's opinion here, but I kind of like the idea of  
>>>>>>>> just 1
>>>>>>>> menu and you can only see what you have permission to.  Maybe
>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>> only because I really like that quick menu and I'm not sure how
>>>>>>>> much I
>>>>>>>> like that new thumb menu.  But then again, you have to know  
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> and hover over the image to get a menu of actions...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really like that bing UI.  Hover over the thumb, image pops  
>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> page and get info, videos play, it's really cool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In terms of the digibug print functionality specifically, if  
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> option is in the thumb menu, when looking at the resized or
>>>>>>>> fullsize
>>>>>>>> version that option is no longer there.  So I've got to go  
>>>>>>>> back to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> page of thumbnails to print the image.  If that option was in  
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> quick menu at the top of the image/thumb, it would/could  
>>>>>>>> already be
>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tim Almdal<tnalmdal@...>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I had originally put the digibug print functionality, into the
>>>>>>>>> quick links
>>>>>>>>> menu.  To put it back there would require a little more work
>>>>>>>>> (probably not
>>>>>>>>> much) as the quick link menu is currently not displayed for  
>>>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>>> Its not insurmountable, but is more work then just dropping an
>>>>>>>>> icon on the
>>>>>>>>> quick menu.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jakob,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this. I do like the uncluttered  
>>>>>>>>> presentation of
>>>>>>>>> bing IMG search results and would like to move the G3 default
>>>>>>>>> theme in
>>>>>>>>> that direction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would prefer to have a consolidated  menu which combines  
>>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>>>> and the new thumb menu. This menu would show a list of all  
>>>>>>>>> actions
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> current user has permissions to run.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm open to the display of a thumbnail's metadata on hover  
>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The bing effect should be relatively easy to achieve.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Chad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Jakob Hilden <jakobhilden@...
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with the introduction of the Digibug module a new "contextual
>>>>>>>>> menu"
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3 album  
>>>>>>>>> view.  I'm
>>>>>>>>> talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom of each
>>>>>>>>> photo,
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> you have the digibug module activated.  In addition, we  
>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a picture and  
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>> like editing, deleting, moving a photo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer was that we
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> two different places for end-user options (print, add to cart,
>>>>>>>>> show on
>>>>>>>>> map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another option would have been to incorporate them into one  
>>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>>> photo
>>>>>>>>> context menu that would include all the options and display
>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>> items based on whether you are an admin or not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would be interested in what people think about that and what
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> would prefer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In connection with talking about the image box, I really  
>>>>>>>>> like the
>>>>>>>>> image
>>>>>>>>> search UX of Bing:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gallery&go=&form=QB&qs=n
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think we could use that as an inspiration for G3.  We  
>>>>>>>>> could make
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> standard view even cleaner than it is right now and display  
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> additional contextual information (like owner, view count,  
>>>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>>> dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over the picture.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would be interested what people think about that as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --Jakob
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[Jakob Hilden]

It looks really, really good.

The only thing that I noticed was that we should probably but the
"options \/" dropdown button on the right of the menu items instead of
the left.  and maybe we should just label it "more \/", since that would
take up less space and the other items not under options are options as
well.  now it seems like there would be a distinction.

I'm not sure if I can help with the permissions.  but maybe I can do
something else ...

--jakob


Chad Kieffer wrote:

> Okay. Interaction wireframe updated.
>
> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
>
> I'll begin working on the JS/CSS if someone can combine the menus and
> handle the permissions. One menu container with two divs seem to be the
> approach. I included the HTML markup on the wiki page.
>
> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
>
> - Chad
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Kevin Nehls wrote:
>
>> That's exactly what I was thinking.  I was thinking that instead of
>> having just the "Options" drop-down we should display some common
>> end-user functions there, print, twitter, view full-size, ecard, what
>> ever they happen to be, with the Options drop-down below those
>> functions.  Maybe make that an option in the plugins or the ability
>> for the plugin designer to specify if an icon for their plugin shows
>> up there and they should really make sure there is an option to turn
>> that off so the site admin can make sure their menus don't get too
>> cluttered and they can choose what goes there.
>>
>> Now we keep talking about printing, but not everyone is going to have
>> or use the digibug plugin.  What if you just want an option to print
>> to the person's local printer?  Basically just pop the full-size image
>> into a new window and use javascript to pop open the browser's print
>> dialog?  Of course that can be left for some plugin designer
>> (rWatcher?) :)
>>
>> I want to have the pages as uncluttered as possible.  I think we can
>> do that without having a menu on the side ala Bing.  If viewing a
>> photo have a couple commonly used functions (selectable by the site
>> admin) to have their icons show up on the photo page, like a print
>> icon.  It makes it very obvious of what you can do there.   Then if
>> someone hovers over the image, they get the quick pane menu.  Or have
>> some other visual cue that there is a menu to hover over on that page?
>>
>> Of course Shai brought up a good point about people with touchpads.
>> The the only touchpad laptop I've used you still could move the mouse
>> cursor by dragging your finger across the screen.
>>
>> I'm rambling thoughts again.... That's why I deleted my message I had
>> typed up yesterday....
>>
>> Of course this all potentially adds complexity too.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Jakob Hilden<jakobhilden@...>
>> wrote:
>>> My thought on this was along the same lines as Dave's.  I think for all
>>> the moms in the world it should be totally fine to be able to find the
>>> print button in the photo view.
>>>
>>> The more advanced users can save a step and print directly from the
>>> album view hover menu.  I don't think there will be much confusion on
>>> whether one is printing a series of photos.  Also because you can see
>>> exactly what you are printing on the Digibug page.
>>> But talking of that,  is it possible to print a series of photos?
>>>
>>> I do like Chad's suggestion to combine the two menus and also to hide
>>> (some of) the menu items first.  However, I don't know if we should make
>>> the segmentation based on end-user vs. admin, but maybe just display
>>> like the 4 most commonly used items (determined by us) right away, and
>>> have the rest appear on another hover.  What do you think?
>>>
>>> --Jakob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Moore wrote:
>>>> My only opinion is that for simplification the print button should
>>>> only be shown and the photo page.
>>>> I don't think it should be shown as a menu item for the
>>>> thumbnail/album view,
>>>> as it might confuse the user that she is going to print series of
>>>> thumbnails of the album
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> At 08:52 AM 7/17/2009, Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>>> I certainly don't want to make things hard for yours, or mine or
>>>>> anyone's mother. Just trying to find some sort of balance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jakob, everyone, thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Bharat Mediratta <bharat@...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can see the writing on the wall :-)  I'm still a little worried
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> my mom won't be able to figure out how to print photos (she doesn't
>>>>>> start moving the mouse until she sees a visual cue).  But I defer to
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> guys on the UX front.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This also definitely simplifies the code, so +1 for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>>>>> I propose that we combine the quick and thumb menus into a single
>>>>>>> menu
>>>>>>> containing all admin and end-user options. User permissions should
>>>>>>> determine which menu options are visible to the user. We can
>>>>>>> visually
>>>>>>> segment the menu pane into admin and end-user sections.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we choose to hide metadata under thumbnails until a user hovers
>>>>>>> over the image, the new options menu for that item should not be
>>>>>>> expanded, just show a visually menu indicator. The reason for
>>>>>>> this is
>>>>>>> that the user should be able to view the unobstructed thumbnail when
>>>>>>> it's meta data is revealed. They can then hover over the item's menu
>>>>>>> indicator to reveal available actions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know that Bharat's not a fan of this approach as it adds an extra
>>>>>>> step for power users to get at item actions. I think the added
>>>>>>> simplicity in the UI outweighs this concern.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the basic interaction proposal:
>>>>> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Bharat Mediratta wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My feelings on this are pretty straightforward:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) Admins should, by default, see something very similar to what
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> visitors see.  Otherwise they'll have a hard time judging the site
>>>>>>>> through their guests eyes.  This was an oft-requested feature
>>>>>>>> for G2
>>>>>>>> that resulted in us making what I consider to be a pretty lame
>>>>>>>> "view
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> a guest" mode.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) We should not ship down a lot of JS, etc for guests who don't
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> it.  The guest view should be lean and mean.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3) My mom should be able to figure out how to print photos.  
>>>>>>>> However
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> structure that interface should be clear, concise and obvious to
>>>>>>>> non-technical folks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anything which satisfies these three points will probably work for
>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kevin Nehls wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Just one man's opinion here, but I kind of like the idea of just 1
>>>>>>>>> menu and you can only see what you have permission to.  Maybe
>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>> only because I really like that quick menu and I'm not sure how
>>>>>>>>> much I
>>>>>>>>> like that new thumb menu.  But then again, you have to know it's
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> and hover over the image to get a menu of actions...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really like that bing UI.  Hover over the thumb, image pops off
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> page and get info, videos play, it's really cool.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In terms of the digibug print functionality specifically, if that
>>>>>>>>> option is in the thumb menu, when looking at the resized or
>>>>>>>>> fullsize
>>>>>>>>> version that option is no longer there.  So I've got to go back to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> page of thumbnails to print the image.  If that option was in the
>>>>>>>>> quick menu at the top of the image/thumb, it would/could
>>>>>>>>> already be
>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tim Almdal<tnalmdal@...>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I had originally put the digibug print functionality, into the
>>>>>>>>>> quick links
>>>>>>>>>> menu.  To put it back there would require a little more work
>>>>>>>>>> (probably not
>>>>>>>>>> much) as the quick link menu is currently not displayed for
>>>>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>>>> Its not insurmountable, but is more work then just dropping an
>>>>>>>>>> icon on the
>>>>>>>>>> quick menu.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jakob,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this. I do like the uncluttered
>>>>>>>>>> presentation of
>>>>>>>>>> bing IMG search results and would like to move the G3 default
>>>>>>>>>> theme in
>>>>>>>>>> that direction.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would prefer to have a consolidated  menu which combines both
>>>>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>>>>> and the new thumb menu. This menu would show a list of all
>>>>>>>>>> actions
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> current user has permissions to run.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm open to the display of a thumbnail's metadata on hover too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The bing effect should be relatively easy to achieve.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Chad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Jakob Hilden <jakobhilden@...>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> with the introduction of the Digibug module a new "contextual
>>>>>>>>>> menu"
>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>> been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3 album view.  I'm
>>>>>>>>>> talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom of each
>>>>>>>>>> photo,
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>> you have the digibug module activated.  In addition, we already
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a picture and has
>>>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>>> like editing, deleting, moving a photo.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer was that we
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> two different places for end-user options (print, add to cart,
>>>>>>>>>> show on
>>>>>>>>>> map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Another option would have been to incorporate them into one
>>>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>>>> photo
>>>>>>>>>> context menu that would include all the options and display
>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>> items based on whether you are an admin or not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would be interested in what people think about that and what
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> would prefer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In connection with talking about the image box, I really like the
>>>>>>>>>> image
>>>>>>>>>> search UX of Bing:
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think we could use that as an inspiration for G3.  We could
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>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> standard view even cleaner than it is right now and display some
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>>>>>>>>>> dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over the picture.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would be interested what people think about that as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
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On Jul 19, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Jakob Hilden wrote:

> It looks really, really good.
>
> The only thing that I noticed was that we should probably but the  
> "options \/" dropdown button on the right of the menu items instead  
> of the left.  and maybe we should just label it "more \/", since  
> that would take up less space and the other items not under options  
> are options as well.  now it seems like there would be a distinction.
>
> I'm not sure if I can help with the permissions.  but maybe I can do  
> something else ...
>
> --jakob

Currently, guests will not see any favorite menu options (edit, make  
cover, delete, move). They'll only have one option, print. Of course  
this will change as new modules add items to this menu and those  
modules are enabled by G3 admins. But then again, maybe admins won't  
enable many modules. In the case that they don't, I think "Options"  
may be a better label choice.

I also think it'd be nice at some point to allow administrators to  
choose what appears in the favorites portion.

- Chad

> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>> Okay. Interaction wireframe updated.
>> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
>> I'll begin working on the JS/CSS if someone can combine the menus  
>> and handle the permissions. One menu container with two divs seem  
>> to be the approach. I included the HTML markup on the wiki page.
>> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
>> - Chad
>> On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Kevin Nehls wrote:
>>> That's exactly what I was thinking.  I was thinking that instead of
>>> having just the "Options" drop-down we should display some common
>>> end-user functions there, print, twitter, view full-size, ecard,  
>>> what
>>> ever they happen to be, with the Options drop-down below those
>>> functions.  Maybe make that an option in the plugins or the ability
>>> for the plugin designer to specify if an icon for their plugin shows
>>> up there and they should really make sure there is an option to turn
>>> that off so the site admin can make sure their menus don't get too
>>> cluttered and they can choose what goes there.
>>>
>>> Now we keep talking about printing, but not everyone is going to  
>>> have
>>> or use the digibug plugin.  What if you just want an option to print
>>> to the person's local printer?  Basically just pop the full-size  
>>> image
>>> into a new window and use javascript to pop open the browser's print
>>> dialog?  Of course that can be left for some plugin designer
>>> (rWatcher?) :)
>>>
>>> I want to have the pages as uncluttered as possible.  I think we can
>>> do that without having a menu on the side ala Bing.  If viewing a
>>> photo have a couple commonly used functions (selectable by the site
>>> admin) to have their icons show up on the photo page, like a print
>>> icon.  It makes it very obvious of what you can do there.   Then if
>>> someone hovers over the image, they get the quick pane menu.  Or  
>>> have
>>> some other visual cue that there is a menu to hover over on that  
>>> page?
>>>
>>> Of course Shai brought up a good point about people with touchpads.
>>> The the only touchpad laptop I've used you still could move the  
>>> mouse
>>> cursor by dragging your finger across the screen.
>>>
>>> I'm rambling thoughts again.... That's why I deleted my message I  
>>> had
>>> typed up yesterday....
>>>
>>> Of course this all potentially adds complexity too.
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Jakob  
>>> Hilden<jakobhilden@...> wrote:
>>>> My thought on this was along the same lines as Dave's.  I think  
>>>> for all
>>>> the moms in the world it should be totally fine to be able to  
>>>> find the
>>>> print button in the photo view.
>>>>
>>>> The more advanced users can save a step and print directly from the
>>>> album view hover menu.  I don't think there will be much  
>>>> confusion on
>>>> whether one is printing a series of photos.  Also because you can  
>>>> see
>>>> exactly what you are printing on the Digibug page.
>>>> But talking of that,  is it possible to print a series of photos?
>>>>
>>>> I do like Chad's suggestion to combine the two menus and also to  
>>>> hide
>>>> (some of) the menu items first.  However, I don't know if we  
>>>> should make
>>>> the segmentation based on end-user vs. admin, but maybe just  
>>>> display
>>>> like the 4 most commonly used items (determined by us) right  
>>>> away, and
>>>> have the rest appear on another hover.  What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> --Jakob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave Moore wrote:
>>>>> My only opinion is that for simplification the print button should
>>>>> only be shown and the photo page.
>>>>> I don't think it should be shown as a menu item for the  
>>>>> thumbnail/album view,
>>>>> as it might confuse the user that she is going to print series of
>>>>> thumbnails of the album
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> At 08:52 AM 7/17/2009, Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>>>> I certainly don't want to make things hard for yours, or mine or
>>>>>> anyone's mother. Just trying to find some sort of balance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jakob, everyone, thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Bharat Mediratta  
>>>>>> <bharat@...>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can see the writing on the wall :-)  I'm still a little  
>>>>>>> worried that
>>>>>>> my mom won't be able to figure out how to print photos (she  
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> start moving the mouse until she sees a visual cue).  But I  
>>>>>>> defer to
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> guys on the UX front.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This also definitely simplifies the code, so +1 for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>>>>>> I propose that we combine the quick and thumb menus into a  
>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>> menu
>>>>>>>> containing all admin and end-user options. User permissions  
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> determine which menu options are visible to the user. We can  
>>>>>>>> visually
>>>>>>>> segment the menu pane into admin and end-user sections.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If we choose to hide metadata under thumbnails until a user  
>>>>>>>> hovers
>>>>>>>> over the image, the new options menu for that item should not  
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> expanded, just show a visually menu indicator. The reason for  
>>>>>>>> this is
>>>>>>>> that the user should be able to view the unobstructed  
>>>>>>>> thumbnail when
>>>>>>>> it's meta data is revealed. They can then hover over the  
>>>>>>>> item's menu
>>>>>>>> indicator to reveal available actions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know that Bharat's not a fan of this approach as it adds an  
>>>>>>>> extra
>>>>>>>> step for power users to get at item actions. I think the added
>>>>>>>> simplicity in the UI outweighs this concern.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's the basic interaction proposal:
>>>>>> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Bharat Mediratta wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My feelings on this are pretty straightforward:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1) Admins should, by default, see something very similar to  
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> visitors see.  Otherwise they'll have a hard time judging  
>>>>>>>>> the site
>>>>>>>>> through their guests eyes.  This was an oft-requested  
>>>>>>>>> feature for G2
>>>>>>>>> that resulted in us making what I consider to be a pretty  
>>>>>>>>> lame "view
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> a guest" mode.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2) We should not ship down a lot of JS, etc for guests who  
>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>> it.  The guest view should be lean and mean.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3) My mom should be able to figure out how to print photos.  
>>>>>>>>> However
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> structure that interface should be clear, concise and  
>>>>>>>>> obvious to
>>>>>>>>> non-technical folks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anything which satisfies these three points will probably  
>>>>>>>>> work for
>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kevin Nehls wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Just one man's opinion here, but I kind of like the idea of  
>>>>>>>>>> just 1
>>>>>>>>>> menu and you can only see what you have permission to.  Maybe
>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>> only because I really like that quick menu and I'm not sure  
>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>> much I
>>>>>>>>>> like that new thumb menu.  But then again, you have to know  
>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>> and hover over the image to get a menu of actions...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I really like that bing UI.  Hover over the thumb, image  
>>>>>>>>>> pops off
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> page and get info, videos play, it's really cool.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In terms of the digibug print functionality specifically,  
>>>>>>>>>> if that
>>>>>>>>>> option is in the thumb menu, when looking at the resized or
>>>>>>>>>> fullsize
>>>>>>>>>> version that option is no longer there.  So I've got to go  
>>>>>>>>>> back to
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> page of thumbnails to print the image.  If that option was  
>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>> quick menu at the top of the image/thumb, it would/could  
>>>>>>>>>> already be
>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tim Almdal<tnalmdal@...>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I had originally put the digibug print functionality, into  
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> quick links
>>>>>>>>>>> menu.  To put it back there would require a little more work
>>>>>>>>>>> (probably not
>>>>>>>>>>> much) as the quick link menu is currently not displayed  
>>>>>>>>>>> for public
>>>>>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>>>>> Its not insurmountable, but is more work then just  
>>>>>>>>>>> dropping an
>>>>>>>>>>> icon on the
>>>>>>>>>>> quick menu.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jakob,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this. I do like the uncluttered  
>>>>>>>>>>> presentation of
>>>>>>>>>>> bing IMG search results and would like to move the G3  
>>>>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>>>>> theme in
>>>>>>>>>>> that direction.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would prefer to have a consolidated  menu which combines  
>>>>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>>>>>> and the new thumb menu. This menu would show a list of all  
>>>>>>>>>>> actions
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> current user has permissions to run.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm open to the display of a thumbnail's metadata on hover  
>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The bing effect should be relatively easy to achieve.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - Chad
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Jakob Hilden <jakobhilden@...
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> with the introduction of the Digibug module a new  
>>>>>>>>>>> "contextual
>>>>>>>>>>> menu"
>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>> been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3 album  
>>>>>>>>>>> view.  I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom of each
>>>>>>>>>>> photo,
>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>> you have the digibug module activated.  In addition, we  
>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a picture  
>>>>>>>>>>> and has
>>>>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>>>> like editing, deleting, moving a photo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer was that  
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> two different places for end-user options (print, add to  
>>>>>>>>>>> cart,
>>>>>>>>>>> show on
>>>>>>>>>>> map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Another option would have been to incorporate them into  
>>>>>>>>>>> one single
>>>>>>>>>>> photo
>>>>>>>>>>> context menu that would include all the options and display
>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>> items based on whether you are an admin or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would be interested in what people think about that and  
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> would prefer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In connection with talking about the image box, I really  
>>>>>>>>>>> like the
>>>>>>>>>>> image
>>>>>>>>>>> search UX of Bing:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gallery&go=&form=QB&qs=n
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think we could use that as an inspiration for G3.  We  
>>>>>>>>>>> could make
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> standard view even cleaner than it is right now and  
>>>>>>>>>>> display some
>>>>>>>>>>> additional contextual information (like owner, view count,  
>>>>>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>>>>> dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over the  
>>>>>>>>>>> picture.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would be interested what people think about that as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --Jakob
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I haven't followed the while discussion, but given a choice between the quick menu and the new menu at the bottom and only allowed one, I'd opt for the new menu at the bottom.  I like that fact that there is some visual indicator that a menu is there w/p the menu appearing.

----- Original Message -----
From: Chad Kieffer <chad@...>
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Gallery-devel] design of photo box in the album view
To: Jakob Hilden <jakobhilden@...>
Cc: Dave Moore <dave@...>, Gallery development discussion list <gallery-devel@...>

> On Jul 19, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Jakob Hilden wrote:
>
> > It looks really, really good.
> >
> > The only thing that I noticed was that we should probably but
> the 
> > "options \/" dropdown button on the right of the menu items
> instead 
> > of the left.  and maybe we should just label it "more
> \/", since 
> > that would take up less space and the other items not under
> options 
> > are options as well.  now it seems like there would be a
> distinction.>
> > I'm not sure if I can help with the permissions.  but
> maybe I can do 
> > something else ...
> >
> > --jakob
>
>
> Currently, guests will not see any favorite menu options (edit,
> make 
> cover, delete, move). They'll only have one option, print. Of
> course 
> this will change as new modules add items to this menu and
> those 
> modules are enabled by G3 admins. But then again, maybe admins
> won't 
> enable many modules. In the case that they don't, I think
> "Options" 
> may be a better label choice.
>
> I also think it'd be nice at some point to allow administrators
> to 
> choose what appears in the favorites portion.
>
> - Chad
>
>
> > Chad Kieffer wrote:
> >> Okay. Interaction wireframe updated.
> >> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
> >> I'll begin working on the JS/CSS if someone can combine the
> menus 
> >> and handle the permissions. One menu container with two divs
> seem 
> >> to be the approach. I included the HTML markup on the wiki page.
> >> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
> >> - Chad
> >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Kevin Nehls wrote:
> >>> That's exactly what I was thinking.  I was thinking
> that instead of
> >>> having just the "Options" drop-down we should display some common
> >>> end-user functions there, print, twitter, view full-size,
> ecard, 
> >>> what
> >>> ever they happen to be, with the Options drop-down below those
> >>> functions.  Maybe make that an option in the plugins or
> the ability
> >>> for the plugin designer to specify if an icon for their
> plugin shows
> >>> up there and they should really make sure there is an option
> to turn
> >>> that off so the site admin can make sure their menus don't
> get too
> >>> cluttered and they can choose what goes there.
> >>>
> >>> Now we keep talking about printing, but not everyone is
> going to 
> >>> have
> >>> or use the digibug plugin.  What if you just want an
> option to print
> >>> to the person's local printer?  Basically just pop the
> full-size 
> >>> image
> >>> into a new window and use javascript to pop open the
> browser's print
> >>> dialog?  Of course that can be left for some plugin designer
> >>> (rWatcher?) :)
> >>>
> >>> I want to have the pages as uncluttered as possible.  I
> think we can
> >>> do that without having a menu on the side ala Bing.  If
> viewing a
> >>> photo have a couple commonly used functions (selectable by
> the site
> >>> admin) to have their icons show up on the photo page, like a print
> >>> icon.  It makes it very obvious of what you can do
> there.   Then if
> >>> someone hovers over the image, they get the quick pane
> menu.  Or 
> >>> have
> >>> some other visual cue that there is a menu to hover over on
> that 
> >>> page?
> >>>
> >>> Of course Shai brought up a good point about people with
> touchpads.>>> The the only touchpad laptop I've used you still
> could move the 
> >>> mouse
> >>> cursor by dragging your finger across the screen.
> >>>
> >>> I'm rambling thoughts again.... That's why I deleted my
> message I 
> >>> had
> >>> typed up yesterday....
> >>>
> >>> Of course this all potentially adds complexity too.
> >>>
> >>> Kevin
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Jakob 
> >>> Hilden<jakobhilden@...> wrote:
> >>>> My thought on this was along the same lines as
> Dave's.  I think 
> >>>> for all
> >>>> the moms in the world it should be totally fine to be able
> to 
> >>>> find the
> >>>> print button in the photo view.
> >>>>
> >>>> The more advanced users can save a step and print directly
> from the
> >>>> album view hover menu.  I don't think there will be
> much 
> >>>> confusion on
> >>>> whether one is printing a series of photos.  Also
> because you can 
> >>>> see
> >>>> exactly what you are printing on the Digibug page.
> >>>> But talking of that,  is it possible to print a series
> of photos?
> >>>>
> >>>> I do like Chad's suggestion to combine the two menus and
> also to 
> >>>> hide
> >>>> (some of) the menu items first.  However, I don't know
> if we 
> >>>> should make
> >>>> the segmentation based on end-user vs. admin, but maybe
> just 
> >>>> display
> >>>> like the 4 most commonly used items (determined by us)
> right 
> >>>> away, and
> >>>> have the rest appear on another hover.  What do you think?
> >>>>
> >>>> --Jakob
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dave Moore wrote:
> >>>>> My only opinion is that for simplification the print
> button should
> >>>>> only be shown and the photo page.
> >>>>> I don't think it should be shown as a menu item for
> the 
> >>>>> thumbnail/album view,
> >>>>> as it might confuse the user that she is going to print
> series of
> >>>>> thumbnails of the album
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At 08:52 AM 7/17/2009, Chad Kieffer wrote:
> >>>>>> I certainly don't want to make things hard for yours, or
> mine or
> >>>>>> anyone's mother. Just trying to find some sort of balance.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jakob, everyone, thoughts?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Bharat Mediratta 
> >>>>>> <bharat@...>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I can see the writing on the wall :-)  I'm still a
> little 
> >>>>>>> worried that
> >>>>>>> my mom won't be able to figure out how to print photos
> (she 
> >>>>>>> doesn't
> >>>>>>> start moving the mouse until she sees a visual
> cue).  But I 
> >>>>>>> defer to
> >>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>> guys on the UX front.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This also definitely simplifies the code, so +1 for that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I propose that we combine the quick and thumb menus
> into a 
> >>>>>>>> single
> >>>>>>>> menu
> >>>>>>>> containing all admin and end-user options. User
> permissions 
> >>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>> determine which menu options are visible to the user.
> We can 
> >>>>>>>> visually
> >>>>>>>> segment the menu pane into admin and end-user sections.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If we choose to hide metadata under thumbnails until a
> user 
> >>>>>>>> hovers
> >>>>>>>> over the image, the new options menu for that item
> should not 
> >>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>> expanded, just show a visually menu indicator. The
> reason for 
> >>>>>>>> this is
> >>>>>>>> that the user should be able to view the
> unobstructed 
> >>>>>>>> thumbnail when
> >>>>>>>> it's meta data is revealed. They can then hover over
> the 
> >>>>>>>> item's menu
> >>>>>>>> indicator to reveal available actions.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I know that Bharat's not a fan of this approach as it
> adds an 
> >>>>>>>> extra
> >>>>>>>> step for power users to get at item actions. I think
> the added
> >>>>>>>> simplicity in the UI outweighs this concern.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Here's the basic interaction proposal:
> >>>>>> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Bharat Mediratta wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> My feelings on this are pretty straightforward:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 1) Admins should, by default, see something very
> similar to 
> >>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>> visitors see.  Otherwise they'll have a hard time
> judging 
> >>>>>>>>> the site
> >>>>>>>>> through their guests eyes.  This was an oft-
> requested 
> >>>>>>>>> feature for G2
> >>>>>>>>> that resulted in us making what I consider to be a
> pretty 
> >>>>>>>>> lame "view
> >>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>> a guest" mode.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2) We should not ship down a lot of JS, etc for guests
> who 
> >>>>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>> it.  The guest view should be lean and mean.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 3) My mom should be able to figure out how to print
> photos.  
> >>>>>>>>> However
> >>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>> structure that interface should be clear, concise
> and 
> >>>>>>>>> obvious to
> >>>>>>>>> non-technical folks.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Anything which satisfies these three points will
> probably 
> >>>>>>>>> work for
> >>>>>>>>> me.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Kevin Nehls wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Just one man's opinion here, but I kind of like the
> idea of 
> >>>>>>>>>> just 1
> >>>>>>>>>> menu and you can only see what you have permission
> to.  Maybe
> >>>>>>>>>> that's
> >>>>>>>>>> only because I really like that quick menu and I'm
> not sure 
> >>>>>>>>>> how
> >>>>>>>>>> much I
> >>>>>>>>>> like that new thumb menu.  But then again, you
> have to know 
> >>>>>>>>>> it's
> >>>>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>>>> and hover over the image to get a menu of actions...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I really like that bing UI.  Hover over the
> thumb, image 
> >>>>>>>>>> pops off
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> page and get info, videos play, it's really cool.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In terms of the digibug print functionality
> specifically, 
> >>>>>>>>>> if that
> >>>>>>>>>> option is in the thumb menu, when looking at the
> resized or
> >>>>>>>>>> fullsize
> >>>>>>>>>> version that option is no longer there.  So I've
> got to go 
> >>>>>>>>>> back to
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> page of thumbnails to print the image.  If that
> option was 
> >>>>>>>>>> in the
> >>>>>>>>>> quick menu at the top of the image/thumb, it
> would/could 
> >>>>>>>>>> already be
> >>>>>>>>>> there.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Kevin
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tim
> Almdal<tnalmdal@...>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> I had originally put the digibug print
> functionality, into 
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> quick links
> >>>>>>>>>>> menu.  To put it back there would require a
> little more work
> >>>>>>>>>>> (probably not
> >>>>>>>>>>> much) as the quick link menu is currently not
> displayed 
> >>>>>>>>>>> for public
> >>>>>>>>>>> users.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Its not insurmountable, but is more work then
> just 
> >>>>>>>>>>> dropping an
> >>>>>>>>>>> icon on the
> >>>>>>>>>>> quick menu.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jakob,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this. I do like the
> uncluttered 
> >>>>>>>>>>> presentation of
> >>>>>>>>>>> bing IMG search results and would like to move the
> G3 
> >>>>>>>>>>> default
> >>>>>>>>>>> theme in
> >>>>>>>>>>> that direction.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I would prefer to have a consolidated  menu
> which combines 
> >>>>>>>>>>> both
> >>>>>>>>>>> quick
> >>>>>>>>>>> and the new thumb menu. This menu would show a list
> of all 
> >>>>>>>>>>> actions
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> current user has permissions to run.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm open to the display of a thumbnail's metadata on
> hover 
> >>>>>>>>>>> too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The bing effect should be relatively easy to achieve.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> - Chad
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Jakob Hilden
> <jakobhilden@...
> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> with the introduction of the Digibug module a
> new 
> >>>>>>>>>>> "contextual
> >>>>>>>>>>> menu"
> >>>>>>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>>>>> been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3
> album 
> >>>>>>>>>>> view.  I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>> talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom
> of each
> >>>>>>>>>>> photo,
> >>>>>>>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>>>> you have the digibug module activated.  In
> addition, we 
> >>>>>>>>>>> already
> >>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a
> picture 
> >>>>>>>>>>> and has
> >>>>>>>>>>> options
> >>>>>>>>>>> like editing, deleting, moving a photo.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer
> was that 
> >>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>> two different places for end-user options (print,
> add to 
> >>>>>>>>>>> cart,
> >>>>>>>>>>> show on
> >>>>>>>>>>> map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Another option would have been to incorporate them
> into 
> >>>>>>>>>>> one single
> >>>>>>>>>>> photo
> >>>>>>>>>>> context menu that would include all the options and
> display>>>>>>>>>>> different
> >>>>>>>>>>> items based on whether you are an admin or not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I would be interested in what people think about
> that and 
> >>>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>> would prefer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In connection with talking about the image box, I
> really 
> >>>>>>>>>>> like the
> >>>>>>>>>>> image
> >>>>>>>>>>> search UX of Bing:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gallery&go=&form=QB&qs=n>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I think we could use that as an inspiration for
> G3.  We 
> >>>>>>>>>>> could make
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> standard view even cleaner than it is right now
> and 
> >>>>>>>>>>> display some
> >>>>>>>>>>> additional contextual information (like owner, view
> count, 
> >>>>>>>>>>> maybe
> >>>>>>>>>>> dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over
> the 
> >>>>>>>>>>> picture.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I would be interested what people think about that
> as well.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --Jakob
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[Tim Almdal]

I guess, I'm not thrilled, is the picture going to resize on, mouse over?  If so how do i turn off.

Have never really liked the quick menu, liked the menu that was at the bottom,  this is definitely a step backward.

Tim

----- Original Message -----
From: Chad Kieffer <chad@...>
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009 11:43 am
Subject: Re: [Gallery-devel] design of photo box in the album view
To: Gallery development discussion list <gallery-devel@...>
Cc: Dave Moore <dave@...>

> Okay. Interaction wireframe updated.
>
> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
>
> I'll begin working on the JS/CSS if someone can combine the
> menus and 
> handle the permissions. One menu container with two divs seem to
> be 
> the approach. I included the HTML markup on the wiki page.
>
> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
>
> - Chad
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Kevin Nehls wrote:
>
> > That's exactly what I was thinking.  I was thinking that
> instead of
> > having just the "Options" drop-down we should display some common
> > end-user functions there, print, twitter, view full-size,
> ecard, what
> > ever they happen to be, with the Options drop-down below those
> > functions.  Maybe make that an option in the plugins or
> the ability
> > for the plugin designer to specify if an icon for their plugin shows
> > up there and they should really make sure there is an option
> to turn
> > that off so the site admin can make sure their menus don't get too
> > cluttered and they can choose what goes there.
> >
> > Now we keep talking about printing, but not everyone is going
> to have
> > or use the digibug plugin.  What if you just want an
> option to print
> > to the person's local printer?  Basically just pop the
> full-size image
> > into a new window and use javascript to pop open the browser's print
> > dialog?  Of course that can be left for some plugin designer
> > (rWatcher?) :)
> >
> > I want to have the pages as uncluttered as possible.  I
> think we can
> > do that without having a menu on the side ala Bing.  If
> viewing a
> > photo have a couple commonly used functions (selectable by the site
> > admin) to have their icons show up on the photo page, like a print
> > icon.  It makes it very obvious of what you can do
> there.   Then if
> > someone hovers over the image, they get the quick pane
> menu.  Or have
> > some other visual cue that there is a menu to hover over on
> that page?
> >
> > Of course Shai brought up a good point about people with touchpads.
> > The the only touchpad laptop I've used you still could move
> the mouse
> > cursor by dragging your finger across the screen.
> >
> > I'm rambling thoughts again.... That's why I deleted my
> message I had
> > typed up yesterday....
> >
> > Of course this all potentially adds complexity too.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Jakob
> Hilden<jakobhilden@...> 
> > wrote:
> >> My thought on this was along the same lines as Dave's. 
> I think for 
> >> all
> >> the moms in the world it should be totally fine to be able to
> find 
> >> the
> >> print button in the photo view.
> >>
> >> The more advanced users can save a step and print directly
> from the
> >> album view hover menu.  I don't think there will be much
> confusion on
> >> whether one is printing a series of photos.  Also
> because you can see
> >> exactly what you are printing on the Digibug page.
> >> But talking of that,  is it possible to print a series
> of photos?
> >>
> >> I do like Chad's suggestion to combine the two menus and also
> to hide
> >> (some of) the menu items first.  However, I don't know
> if we should 
> >> make
> >> the segmentation based on end-user vs. admin, but maybe just
> display>> like the 4 most commonly used items (determined by us)
> right away, 
> >> and
> >> have the rest appear on another hover.  What do you think?
> >>
> >> --Jakob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dave Moore wrote:
> >>> My only opinion is that for simplification the print button should
> >>> only be shown and the photo page.
> >>> I don't think it should be shown as a menu item for the
> thumbnail/
> >>> album view,
> >>> as it might confuse the user that she is going to print
> series of
> >>> thumbnails of the album
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>> At 08:52 AM 7/17/2009, Chad Kieffer wrote:
> >>>> I certainly don't want to make things hard for yours, or
> mine or
> >>>> anyone's mother. Just trying to find some sort of balance.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jakob, everyone, thoughts?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Bharat Mediratta
> <bharat@...>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I can see the writing on the wall :-)  I'm still a
> little 
> >>>>> worried that
> >>>>> my mom won't be able to figure out how to print photos
> (she 
> >>>>> doesn't
> >>>>> start moving the mouse until she sees a visual cue). 
> But I 
> >>>>> defer to
> >>>>> you
> >>>>> guys on the UX front.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This also definitely simplifies the code, so +1 for that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
> >>>>>> I propose that we combine the quick and thumb menus into
> a single
> >>>>>> menu
> >>>>>> containing all admin and end-user options. User
> permissions 
> >>>>>> should
> >>>>>> determine which menu options are visible to the user. We
> can 
> >>>>>> visually
> >>>>>> segment the menu pane into admin and end-user sections.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If we choose to hide metadata under thumbnails until a
> user 
> >>>>>> hovers
> >>>>>> over the image, the new options menu for that item should
> not be
> >>>>>> expanded, just show a visually menu indicator. The reason
> for 
> >>>>>> this is
> >>>>>> that the user should be able to view the unobstructed
> thumbnail 
> >>>>>> when
> >>>>>> it's meta data is revealed. They can then hover over the
> item's 
> >>>>>> menu
> >>>>>> indicator to reveal available actions.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I know that Bharat's not a fan of this approach as it
> adds an 
> >>>>>> extra
> >>>>>> step for power users to get at item actions. I think the added
> >>>>>> simplicity in the UI outweighs this concern.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here's the basic interaction proposal:
> >>>> http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Thumb_Menu
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Bharat Mediratta wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My feelings on this are pretty straightforward:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1) Admins should, by default, see something very similar
> to what
> >>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>> visitors see.  Otherwise they'll have a hard time
> judging the 
> >>>>>>> site
> >>>>>>> through their guests eyes.  This was an oft-
> requested feature 
> >>>>>>> for G2
> >>>>>>> that resulted in us making what I consider to be a
> pretty lame 
> >>>>>>> "view
> >>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>> a guest" mode.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2) We should not ship down a lot of JS, etc for guests
> who don't
> >>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>> it.  The guest view should be lean and mean.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 3) My mom should be able to figure out how to print
> photos.  
> >>>>>>> However
> >>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>> structure that interface should be clear, concise and
> obvious to
> >>>>>>> non-technical folks.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anything which satisfies these three points will
> probably work 
> >>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>> me.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Kevin Nehls wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Just one man's opinion here, but I kind of like the
> idea of 
> >>>>>>>> just 1
> >>>>>>>> menu and you can only see what you have permission
> to.  Maybe
> >>>>>>>> that's
> >>>>>>>> only because I really like that quick menu and I'm not
> sure how
> >>>>>>>> much I
> >>>>>>>> like that new thumb menu.  But then again, you
> have to know 
> >>>>>>>> it's
> >>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>> and hover over the image to get a menu of actions...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I really like that bing UI.  Hover over the thumb,
> image pops 
> >>>>>>>> off
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> page and get info, videos play, it's really cool.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In terms of the digibug print functionality
> specifically, if 
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> option is in the thumb menu, when looking at the
> resized or
> >>>>>>>> fullsize
> >>>>>>>> version that option is no longer there.  So I've
> got to go 
> >>>>>>>> back to
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> page of thumbnails to print the image.  If that
> option was in 
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> quick menu at the top of the image/thumb, it
> would/could 
> >>>>>>>> already be
> >>>>>>>> there.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Kevin
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tim
> Almdal<tnalmdal@...>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I had originally put the digibug print functionality,
> into the
> >>>>>>>>> quick links
> >>>>>>>>> menu.  To put it back there would require a
> little more work
> >>>>>>>>> (probably not
> >>>>>>>>> much) as the quick link menu is currently not
> displayed for 
> >>>>>>>>> public
> >>>>>>>>> users.
> >>>>>>>>> Its not insurmountable, but is more work then just
> dropping an
> >>>>>>>>> icon on the
> >>>>>>>>> quick menu.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Tim
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Chad Kieffer wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jakob,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for sending this. I do like the
> uncluttered 
> >>>>>>>>> presentation of
> >>>>>>>>> bing IMG search results and would like to move the G3
> default>>>>>>>>> theme in
> >>>>>>>>> that direction.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I would prefer to have a consolidated  menu which
> combines 
> >>>>>>>>> both
> >>>>>>>>> quick
> >>>>>>>>> and the new thumb menu. This menu would show a list of
> all 
> >>>>>>>>> actions
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> current user has permissions to run.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm open to the display of a thumbnail's metadata on
> hover 
> >>>>>>>>> too.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The bing effect should be relatively easy to achieve.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> - Chad
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Jakob Hilden
> <jakobhilden@...
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> with the introduction of the Digibug module a new
> "contextual>>>>>>>>> menu"
> >>>>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>>> been introduced to the photo box on the Gallery3
> album 
> >>>>>>>>> view.  I'm
> >>>>>>>>> talking about the little slider/drawer at the bottom
> of each
> >>>>>>>>> photo,
> >>>>>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>> you have the digibug module activated.  In
> addition, we 
> >>>>>>>>> already
> >>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> Quickpane menu, which appears on hovering over a
> picture and 
> >>>>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>>> options
> >>>>>>>>> like editing, deleting, moving a photo.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The rationale behind adding the new bottom drawer was
> that we
> >>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> two different places for end-user options (print, add
> to cart,
> >>>>>>>>> show on
> >>>>>>>>> map, ...) and admin-options (edit, delete, move, ...).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Another option would have been to incorporate them
> into one 
> >>>>>>>>> single
> >>>>>>>>> photo
> >>>>>>>>> context menu that would include all the options and display
> >>>>>>>>> different
> >>>>>>>>> items based on whether you are an admin or not.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I would be interested in what people think about that
> and what
> >>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>> would prefer.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In connection with talking about the image box, I
> really 
> >>>>>>>>> like the
> >>>>>>>>> image
> >>>>>>>>> search UX of Bing:
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gallery&go=&form=QB&qs=n
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I think we could use that as an inspiration for
> G3.  We 
> >>>>>>>>> could make
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> standard view even cleaner than it is right now and
> display 
> >>>>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>>> additional contextual information (like owner, view
> count, 
> >>>>>>>>> maybe
> >>>>>>>>> dimensions, comment count, etc.) on hovering over the
> picture.>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I would be interested what people think about that as well.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --Jakob
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[Bharat Mediratta]

Tim Almdal wrote:
> I guess, I'm not thrilled, is the picture going to resize on, mouse
> over?  If so how do i turn off.
>
> Have never really liked the quick menu, liked the menu that was at the
> bottom,  this is definitely a step backward.

You can turn it off in Admin > Choose Themes :-)  Seriously, I suspect
that we're not going to make a UI here that makes everybody happy.  But
our theming system needs to be easy enough that themers can come up with
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[Chad Kieffer-3]

I've worked up a Bing-like focus affect and made a few updates to  
default styles. Overall, I wasn't sure about the change. But it's  
growing on me, and here's why.

The album view is less cluttered with a focus on just the thumbnail,  
title, and album metadata. One thing that's nagging me is the  
repetition of album metadata above the thumbnails and info module  
block in the sidebar, but that's a separate issue.

I've just put in the thumb menu, it doesn't match the mockup, yet. I  
do prefer the menu on the bottom, again, it keeps focus on the photo.  
I'm not opposed to moving it to the top and would like to hear  
preferences here.

I don't miss the outlines around each thumbnail like I thought I would.

This works great in Firefox, Safari, Chrome, and IE 8. IE 7 has a few  
issues that I think I'll get worked out soon. IE 6 is totally b0rked  
and I'm not sure I have the patience to deal with it.

http://dev.2tbsp.com/gallery3/index.php/New_Orleans

Thoughts?

- Chad


On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Bharat Mediratta wrote:

> Tim Almdal wrote:
>> I guess, I'm not thrilled, is the picture going to resize on, mouse
>> over?  If so how do i turn off.
>>
>> Have never really liked the quick menu, liked the menu that was at  
>> the
>> bottom,  this is definitely a step backward.
>
> You can turn it off in Admin > Choose Themes :-)  Seriously, I suspect
> that we're not going to make a UI here that makes everybody happy.  
> But
> our theming system needs to be easy enough that themers can come up  
> with
> their own creative way to do it without changing the core code.  So  
> I'm
> going to defer to Chad/Jakob to come up with what they think will make
> most of the world happy :-)

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[Kevin Nehls]

I like the way this is going!  A few comments though:

The "popup" doesn't seem exactly smooth.  At least on my machine in FF3.5 there's a blur or delay in the image below fading away.  It's a bit distracting to me.  The text is doing this too.  In IE 8 it appears that the album thumbs and most of the text (for photo and album thumbs) everything pops up then adjust to the right just a bit.  Also seeing that blurry delay in IE 8.

I think both of those issues could be resolved if the transition was smoother and the text for the "popup" didn't actually transition, but just appeared.  Bing's interface has no text around the thumbs, just the thumb, then the thumb pops up, after which the text just pops in.  I don't know if you're using pure CSS or a bit of CSS and JavaScript and I don't know what's causing the little blurry delay I'm seeing or if that's intentional.

Since we're already loading jQuery...  I just found this effect and think it's pretty cool and it seems really smooth.  I don't know what it looks like on slower machines or anything other than FF3.5 or IE8 and it snappy in both of those.  http://www.sohtanaka.com/web-design/fancy-thumbnail-hover-effect-w-jquery/  Of course that's also something someone could do in their own theme.  I know how much work goes into this stuff, well I know how difficult it is for me anyway :) and I really don't want to through a wrench into the works.  I also don't know if that effect could take place with the text and quick pane included or it just does images.  It's cool, just don't know if we can incorporate it or not or if we even want to.

As for menu on top vs. bottom.  I think I agree, I think the quick pane menu moved to the bottom with the thumb image shifted up a little more in the frame would look good and have more focus on the thumb.  Instead of having the Options menu "drop-down" have it "drop-up" over the thumb, maybe.  I don't know what that would look like other than what I'm picturing in my head.

If you're asking about the thumb menu.  I just don't think it's intuitive enough.  I personally would like to see that thumb menu go away and the quick pane menu replace it.  As long as we can have or get easy to understand icons it's much more intuitive.

It's a matter or personal opinion, but I just really like that quick pane menu.  I think if a guest doesn't have any permission to do anything, print, etc, then they shouldn't see it at all.  But if a guest has permission to print an image or do some other non-image editing function, like "Save to cart" or "Tweet this" or "View comments" those actions should be the first icons displayed.  Then other actions for the admins or editing functions, etc could be put into the Options drop-down or drop-up menu, like rotating, moving, making it the highlight photo, etc.

That's my opinion anyway.  I think as long as these things can be overridden at the theme level that would make the theme developers happy.

One question that just popped into my head.  How would we deal with multiple functions that are similar?  Like multiple printing services?  I've seen people with both G1 and G2 have the option to print to all available printing services.  Is that something we should worry about or leave that up to the module or theme developer or leave that up to the site admin to decide exactly what they want?

For the duplication of metadata, I say leave that up to the theme developer, but for the default theme, I think I like the cleaner look of not having it at the top, but just on the side.  As you said it's a separate issue though.

This grew into a much longer reply than I intended.  Please ask for clarification if you have any questions or problems wading through my brain dump.

Kevin

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Chad Kieffer <chad@...> wrote:

I've worked up a Bing-like focus affect and made a few updates to
default styles. Overall, I wasn't sure about the change. But it's
growing on me, and here's why.

The album view is less cluttered with a focus on just the thumbnail,
title, and album metadata. One thing that's nagging me is the
repetition of album metadata above the thumbnails and info module
block in the sidebar, but that's a separate issue.

I've just put in the thumb menu, it doesn't match the mockup, yet. I
do prefer the menu on the bottom, again, it keeps focus on the photo.
I'm not opposed to moving it to the top and would like to hear
preferences here.

I don't miss the outlines around each thumbnail like I thought I would.

This works great in Firefox, Safari, Chrome, and IE 8. IE 7 has a few
issues that I think I'll get worked out soon. IE 6 is totally b0rked
and I'm not sure I have the patience to deal with it.

http://dev.2tbsp.com/gallery3/index.php/New_Orleans

Thoughts?

- Chad

On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Bharat Mediratta wrote:

> Tim Almdal wrote:
>> I guess, I'm not thrilled, is the picture going to resize on, mouse
>> over?  If so how do i turn off.
>>
>> Have never really liked the quick menu, liked the menu that was at
>> the
>> bottom,  this is definitely a step backward.
>
> You can turn it off in Admin > Choose Themes :-)  Seriously, I suspect
> that we're not going to make a UI here that makes everybody happy.
> But
> our theming system needs to be easy enough that themers can come up
> with
> their own creative way to do it without changing the core code.  So
> I'm
> going to defer to Chad/Jakob to come up with what they think will make
> most of the world happy :-)


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