desktop problems

[cloudbuster]

I have the very latest F9 and KDE 4(shows elsewhere 3.5) via yum update
 
I will send KDE problems to KDE!
 
If I can differentiate...problem may be manifold
 
since day 1 and existing now
 
on boot
 
1-0:1.0 unable to enumerate USB device on hub # 2
1-0:1.0 unable to enumerate USB device on hub # 4
1-0:1.0 unable to enumerate USB device on hub # 2
 
problem :  computer hangs occasionally usually connected to popups from panel items.
 
Sometimes I can clear the hangup by hitting keys ctrl-alt...sometimes a powerdown is required
 
but usually I have to unplug/replug the flash memory drive.
 
I have a card that connects all USB 2.0 devices since my built-in USB is 1.1
 
Once upon a time NTFS and VFAT flash memory drives were mounted via entries in fstab.
 
Then they went auto.
 
Now I must open NTFS and VFAT flash memory drive via dolphin to mount them or else nothing will be able to see them!
 
When installing F9, I used gnome for a while and the icons for NTFS and VFAT flash memory drive
 
were at the upper left.
 
This is probably in the KDE realm.
__________________
definitely KDE realm:
 
I have been a faithful KDE guy for years! I recently had a problem with switchdesk no longer working!
 
The guys at bugzilla said switchdesk  no longer works (I haven't tried it again)
 
Seems I had to do surgery to get KDE as desktop.
 
 I had to enter KDE into a file I've forgotten where it was!
 
Problems:
 
(1) panel is a mess!
                 (a) no autohide
                 (b) always black
                 (c) clutter of icon remnants on the right
 
ksnapshot was changed (for the better???) so that sometimes it interacts with the CPU hangup (above)
 
almost requiring a power down!
 
Oh yes: I put an icon on the desktop at the upper left for Kaffeine (that doesn't work).
 
 
I've deleted the icon numerous times but it persists after boot.
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[Jud Craft]

There are many problems with the version of KDE4 that shipped with Fedora 9, it being from the earlier releases of KDE4.

Try checking which version of KDE.  Open up a terminal or a Dolphin window (try typing ALT-F2, then 'konsole', then press enter) and go to the Help menu and select "About KDE".  This will tell you what version of KDE you are using.

http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=195301&page=3&pp=15

According to the fedoraforum.org thread above, stable KDE 4.1 packages have not yet shipped for Fedora 9.  They are currently only available in the updates-testing repository.  The thread mentions how to install them.

Stable KDE 4.1 updates will come to Fedora in a few days (according to Fedora's own KDE information page, available at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/KDE4FAQ).



You can install the testing updates, but you should probably wait until the normal updates become available.  Once you update to KDE 4.1, this should solve many of your panel and desktop issues.  The implementation of Plasma available in KDE 4.0.3 (which shipped with F9) has many glitches.  As for the "black panel", that is a feature of KDE.

The "clutter of icons on right" refers to the junk in the system tray.  The system tray in KDE4 is not polished well, so it looks a little ugly.  In Fedora 9, however, the icons look even worse.  I do not know why.  This seems specific to F9 and occurred in my own installations.  On OpenSUSE 11.0, KDE4 does not have the problems with the icons in the system tray.  Hopefully updating to KDE 4.1 will fix this.

As for the "unable to enumerate USB devices" at startup, I do not know the solution to that.  I have the same error messages myself, but I run the GNOME environment on F9, and it has caused no serious problems.

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thanks...I have KDE 4.0.5

I presume the updates will arrive via yum update!

will the panel ever recover the hide feature?

or allow another color!

The Qt designer (development) disappears in the black background!

When I installed F9 I accidentally used gnome that had improved so much

 I thought I had successfully executed switchdesk!

Gnome put icons on the desktop at the upper left for the flash memory stick and NTFS.

Under KDE I must first use dolphin to open each so others can see the files!

IMPORTANT!

It is difficult to get KDE installed now that switchdesk doesn't work!

I forgot how I switched to KDE after installing F9.

Do you know the current!

In the past I had to first install switchdesk so I could switch to KDE
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> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:55:26 -0400
> From: craftjml@...
> To: kde-quality@...
> Subject: Re: desktop problems
>
> There are many problems with the version of KDE4 that shipped with Fedora 9, it being from the earlier releases of KDE4.
>
> Try checking which version of KDE.  Open up a terminal or a Dolphin window (try typing ALT-F2, then 'konsole', then press enter) and go to the Help menu and select "About KDE".  This will tell you what version of KDE you are using.
>
> http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=195301&page=3&pp=15
>
> According to the fedoraforum.org thread above, stable KDE 4.1 packages have not yet shipped for Fedora 9.  They are currently only available in the updates-testing repository.  The thread mentions how to install them.
>
> Stable KDE 4.1 updates will come to Fedora in a few days (according to Fedora's own KDE information page, available at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/KDE4FAQ).
>
>
>
> You can install the testing updates, but you should probably wait until the normal updates become available.  Once you update to KDE 4.1, this should solve many of your panel and desktop issues.  The implementation of Plasma available in KDE 4.0.3 (which shipped with F9) has many glitches.  As for the "black panel", that is a feature of KDE.
>
> The "clutter of icons on right" refers to the junk in the system tray.  The system tray in KDE4 is not polished well, so it looks a little ugly.  In Fedora 9, however, the icons look even worse.  I do not know why.  This seems specific to F9 and occurred in my own installations.  On OpenSUSE 11.0, KDE4 does not have the problems with the icons in the system tray.  Hopefully updating to KDE 4.1 will fix this.
>
> As for the "unable to enumerate USB devices" at startup, I do not know the solution to that.  I have the same error messages myself, but I run the GNOME environment on F9, and it has caused no serious problems.

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Hi Landon,

The kde-quality list isn't really the place for Fedora issues. It's more about
the software engineering and quality checking tools we use. Fedora issues are
best reported through the Fedora mailing lists or forums or whatever they
have.

> will the panel ever recover the hide feature?
>
> or allow another color!

Yes  and yes.

> Gnome put icons on the desktop at the upper left for the flash memory stick
> and NTFS.
>
> Under KDE I must first use dolphin to open each so others can see the
> files!

That is something you could file a bug for on bugs.kde.org -- but bear in mind
that there's the recently plugged devices thing in the panel which allows the
same kind of access.

[ade]
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[cloudbuster]

the problem is that I am not sure where KDE stops and Fedora picks up!

THIS is why I stopped making bug reports!

I may ask some general questions!

In general, I wait for yum update to deliver a new version trusting that somebody found the problem!

After making an exhaustive bug report, some wise person comes back and says:

(1) the bug report is not valid
(2) they do not find the bug
(3) the bug report is in the wrong place
(4)
(5)


----------------------------------------

> From: groot@...
> To: kde-quality@...
> Subject: Re: desktop problems
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:33:24 +0200
>
> Hi Landon,
>
> The kde-quality list isn't really the place for Fedora issues. It's more about
> the software engineering and quality checking tools we use. Fedora issues are
> best reported through the Fedora mailing lists or forums or whatever they
> have.
>
>> will the panel ever recover the hide feature?
>>
>> or allow another color!
>
> Yes  and yes.
>
>> Gnome put icons on the desktop at the upper left for the flash memory stick
>> and NTFS.
>>
>> Under KDE I must first use dolphin to open each so others can see the
>> files!
>
> That is something you could file a bug for on bugs.kde.org -- but bear in mind
> that there's the recently plugged devices thing in the panel which allows the
> same kind of access.
>
> [ade]
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[Jud Craft]

The truth is, Landon, for many of the KDE problems you've just
mentioned -- no auto hide on panel, allow another color -- these
aren't necessarily bugs, but limitations in KDE 4.0.5's Plasma.  They
just haven't been implemented yet.

Yum Update should bring KDE 4.1 soon, I hope it helps.

In the meantime...I finally realized what you are talking about with
'switchdesk'.  If I recall, isn't that a small program that lets you
rapidly flip between GNOME and KDE sessions?

I highly suspect that considering how much KDE has changed since 3.5,
switchdesk probably gives a lot of glitches when used with KDE4.
That's not necessarily KDE4's fault; switchdesk was probably meant for
GNOME and KDE 3.5.

If you just switch using the Login screen in Fedora, you'll probably
be okay.  Switchdesk is a specialty tool, and it's hard to identify
what's wrong when you use switchdesk, because I imagine not many users
actually use it.  I've only read about it myself.



On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 7:24 PM, landon kelsey
<landonmkelsey@...> wrote:

>
> the problem is that I am not sure where KDE stops and Fedora picks up!
>
> THIS is why I stopped making bug reports!
>
> I may ask some general questions!
>
> In general, I wait for yum update to deliver a new version trusting that somebody found the problem!
>
> After making an exhaustive bug report, some wise person comes back and says:
>
> (1) the bug report is not valid
> (2) they do not find the bug
> (3) the bug report is in the wrong place
> (4)
> (5)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> From: groot@...
>> To: kde-quality@...
>> Subject: Re: desktop problems
>> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:33:24 +0200
>>
>> Hi Landon,
>>
>> The kde-quality list isn't really the place for Fedora issues. It's more about
>> the software engineering and quality checking tools we use. Fedora issues are
>> best reported through the Fedora mailing lists or forums or whatever they
>> have.
>>
>>> will the panel ever recover the hide feature?
>>>
>>> or allow another color!
>>
>> Yes  and yes.
>>
>>> Gnome put icons on the desktop at the upper left for the flash memory stick
>>> and NTFS.
>>>
>>> Under KDE I must first use dolphin to open each so others can see the
>>> files!
>>
>> That is something you could file a bug for on bugs.kde.org -- but bear in mind
>> that there's the recently plugged devices thing in the panel which allows the
>> same kind of access.
>>
>> [ade]
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[Jud Craft]

It may also be that just the Fedora 9 version of Switchdesk has some
new bugs.  If you Google "f9 switchdesk", there appear to be a few
problems with it, especially with KDE.

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Jud Craft <craftjml@...> wrote:

> The truth is, Landon, for many of the KDE problems you've just
> mentioned -- no auto hide on panel, allow another color -- these
> aren't necessarily bugs, but limitations in KDE 4.0.5's Plasma.  They
> just haven't been implemented yet.
>
> Yum Update should bring KDE 4.1 soon, I hope it helps.
>
> In the meantime...I finally realized what you are talking about with
> 'switchdesk'.  If I recall, isn't that a small program that lets you
> rapidly flip between GNOME and KDE sessions?
>
> I highly suspect that considering how much KDE has changed since 3.5,
> switchdesk probably gives a lot of glitches when used with KDE4.
> That's not necessarily KDE4's fault; switchdesk was probably meant for
> GNOME and KDE 3.5.
>
> If you just switch using the Login screen in Fedora, you'll probably
> be okay.  Switchdesk is a specialty tool, and it's hard to identify
> what's wrong when you use switchdesk, because I imagine not many users
> actually use it.  I've only read about it myself.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 7:24 PM, landon kelsey
> <landonmkelsey@...> wrote:
>>
>> the problem is that I am not sure where KDE stops and Fedora picks up!
>>
>> THIS is why I stopped making bug reports!
>>
>> I may ask some general questions!
>>
>> In general, I wait for yum update to deliver a new version trusting that somebody found the problem!
>>
>> After making an exhaustive bug report, some wise person comes back and says:
>>
>> (1) the bug report is not valid
>> (2) they do not find the bug
>> (3) the bug report is in the wrong place
>> (4)
>> (5)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> From: groot@...
>>> To: kde-quality@...
>>> Subject: Re: desktop problems
>>> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:33:24 +0200
>>>
>>> Hi Landon,
>>>
>>> The kde-quality list isn't really the place for Fedora issues. It's more about
>>> the software engineering and quality checking tools we use. Fedora issues are
>>> best reported through the Fedora mailing lists or forums or whatever they
>>> have.
>>>
>>>> will the panel ever recover the hide feature?
>>>>
>>>> or allow another color!
>>>
>>> Yes  and yes.
>>>
>>>> Gnome put icons on the desktop at the upper left for the flash memory stick
>>>> and NTFS.
>>>>
>>>> Under KDE I must first use dolphin to open each so others can see the
>>>> files!
>>>
>>> That is something you could file a bug for on bugs.kde.org -- but bear in mind
>>> that there's the recently plugged devices thing in the panel which allows the
>>> same kind of access.
>>>
>>> [ade]
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-quality
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[Aaron J. Seigo]

On Thursday 31 July 2008, landon kelsey wrote:
> thanks...I have KDE 4.0.5
>
> I presume the updates will arrive via yum update!
>
> will the panel ever recover the hide feature?
>
> or allow another color!

you can switch themes in 4.0, and at some point (maybe 4.1?) we added
colourizable themes (Aya ships by default and is colourizable; it's what
OpenSUSE uses for their defaults as well)

> Gnome put icons on the desktop at the upper left for the flash memory stick
> and NTFS.
>
> Under KDE I must first use dolphin to open each so others can see the
> files!

by default plasma has the device notifier in the panel. you can also drop it
onto the desktop, where it shows the list in a nice little box.

imho, this is superior to both GNOME and KDE3's mechanisms.

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[cloudbuster]

I have no idea what you are talking about!

Are you from a foreign country?
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> From: aseigo@...
> To: kde-quality@...
> Subject: Re: desktop problems
> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:31:49 -0600
>
> On Thursday 31 July 2008, landon kelsey wrote:
>> thanks...I have KDE 4.0.5
>>
>> I presume the updates will arrive via yum update!
>>
>> will the panel ever recover the hide feature?
>>
>> or allow another color!
>
> you can switch themes in 4.0, and at some point (maybe 4.1?) we added
> colourizable themes (Aya ships by default and is colourizable; it's what
> OpenSUSE uses for their defaults as well)
>
>> Gnome put icons on the desktop at the upper left for the flash memory stick
>> and NTFS.
>>
>> Under KDE I must first use dolphin to open each so others can see the
>> files!
>
> by default plasma has the device notifier in the panel. you can also drop it
> onto the desktop, where it shows the list in a nice little box.
>
> imho, this is superior to both GNOME and KDE3's mechanisms.
>
> --
> Aaron J. Seigo
> humru othro a kohnu se
> GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA  EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43
>
> KDE core developer sponsored by Trolltech
>

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> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:56:20 -0400
> From: craftjml@...
> To: kde-quality@...
> Subject: Re: desktop problems
>
> It may also be that just the Fedora 9 version of Switchdesk has some
> new bugs.  If you Google "f9 switchdesk", there appear to be a few
> problems with it, especially with KDE.
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Jud Craft  wrote:
>> The truth is, Landon, for many of the KDE problems you've just
>> mentioned -- no auto hide on panel, allow another color -- these
>> aren't necessarily bugs, but limitations in KDE 4.0.5's Plasma.  They
>> just haven't been implemented yet.
>>
>> Yum Update should bring KDE 4.1 soon, I hope it helps.
>>
>> In the meantime...I finally realized what you are talking about with
>> 'switchdesk'.  If I recall, isn't that a small program that lets you
>> rapidly flip between GNOME and KDE sessions?
>>
>> I highly suspect that considering how much KDE has changed since 3.5,
>> switchdesk probably gives a lot of glitches when used with KDE4.
>> That's not necessarily KDE4's fault; switchdesk was probably meant for
>> GNOME and KDE 3.5.
>>
>> If you just switch using the Login screen in Fedora, you'll probably
>> be okay.  Switchdesk is a specialty tool, and it's hard to identify
>> what's wrong when you use switchdesk, because I imagine not many users
>> actually use it.  I've only read about it myself.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 7:24 PM, landon kelsey
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> the problem is that I am not sure where KDE stops and Fedora picks up!
>>>
>>> THIS is why I stopped making bug reports!
>>>
>>> I may ask some general questions!
>>>
>>> In general, I wait for yum update to deliver a new version trusting that somebody found the problem!
>>>
>>> After making an exhaustive bug report, some wise person comes back and says:
>>>
>>> (1) the bug report is not valid
>>> (2) they do not find the bug
>>> (3) the bug report is in the wrong place
>>> (4)
>>> (5)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>> From: groot@...
>>>> To: kde-quality@...
>>>> Subject: Re: desktop problems
>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:33:24 +0200
>>>>
>>>> Hi Landon,
>>>>
>>>> The kde-quality list isn't really the place for Fedora issues. It's more about
>>>> the software engineering and quality checking tools we use. Fedora issues are
>>>> best reported through the Fedora mailing lists or forums or whatever they
>>>> have.
>>>>
>>>>> will the panel ever recover the hide feature?
>>>>>
>>>>> or allow another color!
>>>>
>>>> Yes  and yes.
>>>>
>>>>> Gnome put icons on the desktop at the upper left for the flash memory stick
>>>>> and NTFS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Under KDE I must first use dolphin to open each so others can see the
>>>>> files!
>>>>
>>>> That is something you could file a bug for on bugs.kde.org -- but bear in mind
>>>> that there's the recently plugged devices thing in the panel which allows the
>>>> same kind of access.
>>>>
>>>> [ade]
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you guys are from somewhere else...I am withdrawing from this subsciption!

I never saw a place to switch to Gnome of KDE on the boot process.

Cancel my emails....send me no more emails!





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> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:49:53 -0400
> From: craftjml@...
> To: kde-quality@...
> Subject: Re: desktop problems
>
> The truth is, Landon, for many of the KDE problems you've just
> mentioned -- no auto hide on panel, allow another color -- these
> aren't necessarily bugs, but limitations in KDE 4.0.5's Plasma.  They
> just haven't been implemented yet.
>
> Yum Update should bring KDE 4.1 soon, I hope it helps.
>
> In the meantime...I finally realized what you are talking about with
> 'switchdesk'.  If I recall, isn't that a small program that lets you
> rapidly flip between GNOME and KDE sessions?
>
> I highly suspect that considering how much KDE has changed since 3.5,
> switchdesk probably gives a lot of glitches when used with KDE4.
> That's not necessarily KDE4's fault; switchdesk was probably meant for
> GNOME and KDE 3.5.
>
> If you just switch using the Login screen in Fedora, you'll probably
> be okay.  Switchdesk is a specialty tool, and it's hard to identify
> what's wrong when you use switchdesk, because I imagine not many users
> actually use it.  I've only read about it myself.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 7:24 PM, landon kelsey
>  wrote:
>>
>> the problem is that I am not sure where KDE stops and Fedora picks up!
>>
>> THIS is why I stopped making bug reports!
>>
>> I may ask some general questions!
>>
>> In general, I wait for yum update to deliver a new version trusting that somebody found the problem!
>>
>> After making an exhaustive bug report, some wise person comes back and says:
>>
>> (1) the bug report is not valid
>> (2) they do not find the bug
>> (3) the bug report is in the wrong place
>> (4)
>> (5)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> From: groot@...
>>> To: kde-quality@...
>>> Subject: Re: desktop problems
>>> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:33:24 +0200
>>>
>>> Hi Landon,
>>>
>>> The kde-quality list isn't really the place for Fedora issues. It's more about
>>> the software engineering and quality checking tools we use. Fedora issues are
>>> best reported through the Fedora mailing lists or forums or whatever they
>>> have.
>>>
>>>> will the panel ever recover the hide feature?
>>>>
>>>> or allow another color!
>>>
>>> Yes  and yes.
>>>
>>>> Gnome put icons on the desktop at the upper left for the flash memory stick
>>>> and NTFS.
>>>>
>>>> Under KDE I must first use dolphin to open each so others can see the
>>>> files!
>>>
>>> That is something you could file a bug for on bugs.kde.org -- but bear in mind
>>> that there's the recently plugged devices thing in the panel which allows the
>>> same kind of access.
>>>
>>> [ade]
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> kde-quality mailing list
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>>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-quality
>>
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[Bogdan Bivolaru]

Hello Landon,

1) You said 2 or 3 times you want to unsubscribe from this list. I think you don't know how to unsubscribe. Here's how:
To unsubscribe from a mailing list please go the admin page of your subscription, which in this case is https://mail.kde.org/mailman/options/kde-quality
There you file in your email address and your mailing list subscription password (not the password of your mail account!!!) and then you press unsubscribe.

2) I feel sorry for KDE not working out for you, but you see - KDE 4.1 is a young beast and both it and its users need to learn more about each other. There may also be packaging bugs from your distribution (Fedora, as I recall). 

3) As for reporting bugs: "After making an exhaustive bug report, some wise person comes back and says:..."
We know reporting bugs the 'right way' is hard - it is for most free software projects - but that's how life is! Someone needs to bear the burden of filling in bugs, and we don't have paid staff in a call center who receives bugs, categorize them and then files them in. Also please consider that bugs that are not reported correctly are useless to developers and they will not be fixed.


Bye,
Bogdan

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:39 AM, landon kelsey <landonmkelsey@...> wrote:

you guys are from somewhere else...I am withdrawing from this subsciption!

I never saw a place to switch to Gnome of KDE on the boot process.

Cancel my emails....send me no more emails!





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> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:49:53 -0400
> From: craftjml@...

> To: kde-quality@...
> Subject: Re: desktop problems
>

> The truth is, Landon, for many of the KDE problems you've just
> mentioned -- no auto hide on panel, allow another color -- these
> aren't necessarily bugs, but limitations in KDE 4.0.5's Plasma.  They
> just haven't been implemented yet.
>
> Yum Update should bring KDE 4.1 soon, I hope it helps.
>
> In the meantime...I finally realized what you are talking about with
> 'switchdesk'.  If I recall, isn't that a small program that lets you
> rapidly flip between GNOME and KDE sessions?
>
> I highly suspect that considering how much KDE has changed since 3.5,
> switchdesk probably gives a lot of glitches when used with KDE4.
> That's not necessarily KDE4's fault; switchdesk was probably meant for
> GNOME and KDE 3.5.
>
> If you just switch using the Login screen in Fedora, you'll probably
> be okay.  Switchdesk is a specialty tool, and it's hard to identify
> what's wrong when you use switchdesk, because I imagine not many users
> actually use it.  I've only read about it myself.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 7:24 PM, landon kelsey

>  wrote:
>>
>> the problem is that I am not sure where KDE stops and Fedora picks up!
>>
>> THIS is why I stopped making bug reports!
>>
>> I may ask some general questions!
>>
>> In general, I wait for yum update to deliver a new version trusting that somebody found the problem!
>>
>> After making an exhaustive bug report, some wise person comes back and says:
>>
>> (1) the bug report is not valid
>> (2) they do not find the bug
>> (3) the bug report is in the wrong place
>> (4)
>> (5)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> From: groot@...
>>> To: kde-quality@...
>>> Subject: Re: desktop problems
>>> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:33:24 +0200
>>>
>>> Hi Landon,
>>>
>>> The kde-quality list isn't really the place for Fedora issues. It's more about
>>> the software engineering and quality checking tools we use. Fedora issues are
>>> best reported through the Fedora mailing lists or forums or whatever they
>>> have.
>>>
>>>> will the panel ever recover the hide feature?
>>>>
>>>> or allow another color!
>>>
>>> Yes  and yes.
>>>
>>>> Gnome put icons on the desktop at the upper left for the flash memory stick
>>>> and NTFS.
>>>>
>>>> Under KDE I must first use dolphin to open each so others can see the
>>>> files!
>>>
>>> That is something you could file a bug for on bugs.kde.org -- but bear in mind
>>> that there's the recently plugged devices thing in the panel which allows the
>>> same kind of access.
>>>
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On Friday 01 August 2008, landon kelsey wrote:
> I have no idea what you are talking about!

Anwering your questions.

> Are you from a foreign country?

Depends on which country you are from, doesn't it? :)

Cheers,
Kevin

> ----------------------------------------
>
> > From: aseigo@...
> > To: kde-quality@...
> > Subject: Re: desktop problems
> > Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:31:49 -0600
> >
> > On Thursday 31 July 2008, landon kelsey wrote:
> >> thanks...I have KDE 4.0.5
> >>
> >> I presume the updates will arrive via yum update!
> >>
> >> will the panel ever recover the hide feature?
> >>
> >> or allow another color!
> >
> > you can switch themes in 4.0, and at some point (maybe 4.1?) we added
> > colourizable themes (Aya ships by default and is colourizable; it's what
> > OpenSUSE uses for their defaults as well)
> >
> >> Gnome put icons on the desktop at the upper left for the flash memory
> >> stick and NTFS.
> >>
> >> Under KDE I must first use dolphin to open each so others can see the
> >> files!
> >
> > by default plasma has the device notifier in the panel. you can also drop
> > it onto the desktop, where it shows the list in a nice little box.
> >
> > imho, this is superior to both GNOME and KDE3's mechanisms.
> >
> > --
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As a rule of thumb:

when unsure whether it is something specific to a distribution or to a
particular piece of software, report to the distributor.
They know if and how they might have changed/customized the software in
question and make the decision where a report belongs to based on this
knowledge, e.g. forward the report if the software has not been changed by
them.

Cheers,
Kevin

On Friday 01 August 2008, landon kelsey wrote:

> the problem is that I am not sure where KDE stops and Fedora picks up!
>
> THIS is why I stopped making bug reports!
>
> I may ask some general questions!
>
> In general, I wait for yum update to deliver a new version trusting that
> somebody found the problem!
>
> After making an exhaustive bug report, some wise person comes back and
> says:
>
> (1) the bug report is not valid
> (2) they do not find the bug
> (3) the bug report is in the wrong place
> (4)
> (5)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> > From: groot@...
> > To: kde-quality@...
> > Subject: Re: desktop problems
> > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:33:24 +0200
> >
> > Hi Landon,
> >
> > The kde-quality list isn't really the place for Fedora issues. It's more
> > about the software engineering and quality checking tools we use. Fedora
> > issues are best reported through the Fedora mailing lists or forums or
> > whatever they have.
> >
> >> will the panel ever recover the hide feature?
> >>
> >> or allow another color!
> >
> > Yes  and yes.
> >
> >> Gnome put icons on the desktop at the upper left for the flash memory
> >> stick and NTFS.
> >>
> >> Under KDE I must first use dolphin to open each so others can see the
> >> files!
> >
> > That is something you could file a bug for on bugs.kde.org -- but bear in
> > mind that there's the recently plugged devices thing in the panel which
> > allows the same kind of access.
> >
> > [ade]
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Landon writes:

>> the problem is that I am not sure where KDE stops and Fedora picks up!
>> THIS is why I stopped making bug reports!
>>
>> After making an exhaustive bug report, some wise person comes back and says:
>>
>> (1) the bug report is not valid
>> (2) they do not find the bug
>> (3) the bug report is in the wrong place
>> (4)
>> (5)

If a KDE bug report is marked INVALID, you should be told why. Usually it
doesn't mean that it isn't a valid bug report, it just isn't reported to the
people who can actually fix it.

If they don't find the bug, then it is fixed for the next version, that's
good, right? If they're using the same version you are to test, then provide
more information of what could be different. ie why does it work for them and
not you?

Inside of the KDE Bugzilla, we can move around reports. But there are
many, many distros out there. We don't have the people power to go and refile
bugreports to them ourselves if it's a distro issue.

If you don't report your bugs, developers won't know about them.
And then they won't fix them. ;)

Yes, bugs.kde.org is a little annoying, but to quote a friend:

"If you can't be bothered to spend 5 minutes reporting a bug,
why should I bother to spend half an hour debugging it?"


Hopefully this helps,

A. L. Spehr
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