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> Playback and diffusion are very different things and should not be > conflated. Diffusing a recorded piece is a real-time performance in > its own right. In the concerts of electroacoustic music that I have > attended, the diffusers are given credit and applause for their work, > essentially treated as musicians partially responsible for realizing a > composer's work. sorry for hijacking your thread but I really liked your description of diffusion what amazes me is how many people in the various arts (dance, film, etc) have no knowledge of the 'art of diffusion'... I recently ran into a situation where the person I was collaborating with (I use the term 'collaborating' very loosely here) had no clue as to what I was talking about when I explained the difference between composing an electro-acoustic work and then diffusing it in public and how they were separate art-forms that intersected but were still distinct from one another it was very frustrating to work with someone who thinks computer music is composed with a push of a few buttons and easily changed/modified during a performance... there ought to be a law... _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound@... http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound |
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Re: diffusion as an art-formOn Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Kim Cascone<kim@...> wrote:
> what amazes me is how many people in the various arts (dance, film, etc) > have no knowledge of the 'art of diffusion'... Where would you send them to learn about it? -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound@... http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound |
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Re: diffusion as an art-formIn my opinion, the discipline of improvisation.
Milan Davidovic wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Kim Cascone<kim@...> wrote: >> what amazes me is how many people in the various arts (dance, film, etc) >> have no knowledge of the 'art of diffusion'... > > Where would you send them to learn about it? > _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound@... http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound |
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Re: diffusion as an art-formdiffusion, osmosis, definately F.Lopez 2009/6/12 CraqueMat <craque@...> In my opinion, the discipline of improvisation. _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound@... http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound |
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Re: diffusion as an art-formHere are a couple of good places to start reading about the art of diffusion: Moore, Adrian, Dave Moore, James Mooney. “M2 Diffusion: The Live Diffusion of
Sound in Space.” Proceedings of the 2004 International
Conference on Music and Computers.
Miami: USA, 2004: 317-320. Moore, Moore, and Mooney give a good concise definition of diffusion, a brief technical history of the art, and the results of some of their research into new diffusion technologies. * Truax, Barry.
"Composition & Diffusion: Space in Sound in Space." Organised
Sound, 3(2):141-146. http://www.sfu.ca/~truax/bourges.html Truax gives a more technical description of his own research into the art of diffusion, but I like the way he distinguishes between composition and diffusion as "shaping the space inside the sound" vs "shaping the sound inside the space." * Enjoy! Randolph. On 12-Jun-09, at 3:30 PM, CraqueMat wrote: Milan Davidovic wrote:On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Kim Cascone<kim@...> wrote:what amazes me is how many people in the various arts (dance, film, etc)have no knowledge of the 'art of diffusion'...Where would you send them to learn about it? _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound@... http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound |
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Re: diffusion as an art-formtkrakowiak a écrit :
> > diffusion, osmosis, definately F.Lopez > > 2009/6/12 CraqueMat <craque@... <mailto:craque@...>> > > In my opinion, the discipline of improvisation. > > Milan Davidovic wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Kim > Cascone<kim@... <mailto:kim@...>> wrote: > >> what amazes me is how many people in the various arts (dance, > film, etc) > >> have no knowledge of the 'art of diffusion'... > > > > Where would you send them to learn about it? > > > _______________________________________________ > to me ?!?!?! This may sound pretentious, but learning from other disciplines -despite the topic of this talk- and from some performers which has have developped difusion as an art. i do put a lot of emphasis on the condition of diffusion, the context vs the artist contents. Thinking about it is the heart of audio curating. Eric _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound@... http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound |
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Re: diffusion as an art-formThe unfortunate fact of learning diffusion is that you need a number
of speakers (and really, the most fun is if you have over 20) and a large enough space to actually appreciate what you do. There are a number of universities that organize acousmatic concerts on a regular basis and i think a good start is to go to those concerts and first get a feel of how it is done by someone experienced. And then, look out for workshops or, if there is an institution that organizes such concerts, ask to practice, or something. It would be best to hear different people performing the same pieces, that's where you get the idea. After all the music does not change it is only the spacial placement of various musical events that actually changes the whole experience. I was fortunate enough to attend some diffusion workshops in the mid- to late 90s in Montréal when Réseaux was organizing the concert series called Rien à voir (nothing to see). During the series they had invited (and local) electroacoustic composers conduct workshops in diffusion. A masterclass of sorts. It was great not only as performance practice but also helped to understand the pieces you worked on (not to mention actually "learn" them). And it is one thing diffusing your own music and another diffusing someone else's. Also see: cec.concordia.ca/econtact/Diffusion/pracdiff.htm The website is currently down (since Thursday) but it should come back sooner or later (perhaps you can google for "econtact diffusion" and read the cached article or wayback machine may have cached it, too). Diffusion is great fun. ./MiS On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Eric Mattson<oral@...> wrote: > tkrakowiak a écrit : >> >> diffusion, osmosis, definately F.Lopez >> >> 2009/6/12 CraqueMat <craque@... <mailto:craque@...>> >> >> In my opinion, the discipline of improvisation. >> >> Milan Davidovic wrote: >> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Kim >> Cascone<kim@... <mailto:kim@...>> wrote: >> >> what amazes me is how many people in the various arts (dance, >> film, etc) >> >> have no knowledge of the 'art of diffusion'... >> > >> > Where would you send them to learn about it? >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > to me ?!?!?! > > This may sound pretentious, but learning from other disciplines -despite > the topic of this talk- and from some performers which has have > developped difusion as an art. i do put a lot of emphasis on the > condition of diffusion, the context vs the artist contents. Thinking > about it is the heart of audio curating. > > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound@... > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -- ./MiS 514-344-0726 http://www.creazone.ca _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound@... http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound |
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Re: diffusion as an art-formOne of the key reasons why concerts of pre-recorded music are presented in public is so that the music can be heard from a better source, on a better sound system, and in a better space than most of us have access to at home. Though created in the studio, much electroacoustic music is designed for playback in conditions that do not exist in most homes, just as movies are created for the cinema rather than the home theatre. While it is certainly possible to enjoy a movie at home, a DVD on even the finest home theatre set-up simply cannot even come close to a print projected in a fine cinema house. The same is true of music. Live presentation of recorded works affords the public the opportunity to hear pieces presented in formats that are not available for the home market; the playback system in a good venue is better than what most of us have available at home; and a proper concert hall has much better acoustics than even the best home listening rooms. So if you take questions of performance out of the equation, there can still be great benefit to hearing recorded works presented in a public venue. Importantly, this is precisely where the work of the diffuser comes in. Regardless of whether or not we respect the diffusion as a performance, it is the diffusion that allows for a studio piece recorded on a fixed-medium to become a site-specific event. The diffuser translates the original mix into the specific playback system and architecture of the concert venue, and allows for a unique experience of a recorded work that cannot be replicated in any other context. Sure, there are many crappy venues with poor playback systems that won't do justice to the compositional intention behind a good piece. And there are many inadequate diffusers out there too. But this is true of live music as well, and I have experienced many venues and sound systems poor enough to negate the value of hearing the musicians live. A good many of the live musician concerts I've been to have made me wish I could have a recording of that performance to listen to at home (which, happily, is often only a couple mouse clicks away nowadays). But given the right conditions, the presentation of a recorded work in a public venue with the help of good diffusion can, in my opinion, easily equal the uniqueness of any event involving live musicians performing music on a stage. This is something you just can't get at home. Randolph. On 12-Jun-09, at 4:46 PM, greg g wrote: i'd rather just listen to it at home _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound@... http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound |
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Re: diffusion as an art-form > Randolph Jordan wrote:
>> greg g wrote: >> i'd rather just listen to it at home > One of the key reasons why concerts of pre-recorded music are presented > in public is so that the music can be heard from a better source, on a > better sound system, and in a better space than most of us have access > to at home. this makes the interesting assumption that better sound system == better music. i'm not sure about that. one of my issues with the academic 'system' (i speak from my point of reference, which is the Birmingham school of compositional ideas to which my university subscribed) is a requirement that the gear be top-notch, that all the DACs/ADCs be totally noise free, that the monitor speakers in the studio be $50k beasts, all in the pursuit of making the technology as transparent (== colourless) as possible, therefore allowing the music its fullest expression. i think this is bollocks, and symptomatic of an important disconnect between laptop music and non-laptop music (laptop improv/noise, where the laptop is treated like a fancy guitar pedal in a more traditional feedback loop, is another matter) -- namely, laptop music is all about the 'sound', which really doesn't matter so much in most other forms of music. the people who do well playing laptop ( http://evolvingmusic.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/girl-talk.jpg ) acknowledge the social aspect... -- damian stewart | skype: damiansnz | damian@... frey | live art with machines | http://www.frey.co.nz _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound@... http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound |
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Re: diffusion as an art-formOn 13-Jun-09, at 9:33 AM, Damian Stewart wrote:
> this makes the interesting assumption that better sound system == > better > music. I have made no such assumption. My previous post responded to Greg's assertion that he'd "rather just listen to it at home," a statement that implies the music is good enough to WANT to hear it, but that the home listening experience is somehow better than public presentation. Given the assumption that a piece of music is good, I offered a set of reasons why hearing this piece in a concert venue might be preferable to a home listening situation. True, a good listening environment cannot make up for bad music (though on occasion I have been emotionally moved by the quality of sound at a good venue regardless of my feelings about the music itself). And yes, the sound quality of the playback system really doesn't matter for certain kinds of music. For example, a piece of pop music designed for mp3 distribution won't benefit much from a sound system with excellent frequency response above 16K because these frequencies simply aren't there in the original piece. On the other hand, to play a piece of music with lots of high frequency detail on a system with poor response in this area will actually take away from the composition itself. In the end the question of playback equipment/venue comes down to respecting compositional intent. You'd be hard pressed to convince a composer of symphonic music that the playback sound quality of their composition isn't important. If the relationship between all the different parts of a symphony's violin section are an important part of compositional form, a playback system that can't properly differentiate between these various parts actually REMOVES part of the composition, thus affecting its form. This is why symphonic music is best heard live in a concert hall. A proper live concert hall situation doesn't ensure that the composition will be good, but it does give the audience their best chance of hearing the piece as it was intended to be heard. The same can be true for a piece of computer music designed for playback on equipment that doesn't exist in most home listening situations. The ideal concert situation allows the piece to be presented according the composer's intentions. If the music is bad, then it's bad. But how can you properly judge the music if you haven't heard ALL of it? Hearing all of a piece of music is what a proper concert environment is supposed to allow, in turn allowing the audience to judge the music effectively. I agree wholeheartedly with Damian's point is about the perils of emphasizing equipment over compositional skill; I'll take the latter over the former any day. But when compositional skill is intertwined with particular presentation requirements, the relationship between the two needs to be respected. This respect is the benefit that a good concert presentation has over the vast majority of home listening situations. Randolph. _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound@... http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound |
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