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[Greg Holloway-2]

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Hello,

I hope i have picked the right list to ask these questions, please alow me to explain myself;

I am a 4x4 off-roader and i have a laptop on the dash of my vehicle running memory map. I have been searching the internet for cheap & detailed maps. I have had little success. I took the decision to make my own maps. I have began compiling DVDs/CDs with map data taken from the US Gov GeoCover website https://zulu.ssc.nasa.gov/mrsid/mrsid.pl and openstreetmap xml data. i have then encoded it into geotiff tiles for use with memory map and other gps based software.

i have the intention of selling the dvds at cost, around £10. this will include a donation of £2.50 to openstreetmap. the remainder of the money will cover the free postage,ebay fees and the cost of a dvd with a case. I have been trying to find someone at openstreetmap that can help me with the legalities of putting openstreetmap onto a dvd which i then sell. I don't want to step on anyone toes as it were.

for an idea of what i am doing point your browsers to http://maps.sj410.co.uk on there i have the html which autorun when the dvd/cd is inserted into the users pc. i have only started work on iceland for the moment but i hope to include other contries if what i am doing is acceptable.

any advice would be greatly appreciated

Greg Holloway.

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[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Greg Holloway
<peanutzkingpenguin@...> wrote:

> I hope i have picked the right list to ask these questions, please alow me
> to explain myself;
>
> I am a 4x4 off-roader and i have a laptop on the dash of my vehicle running
> memory map. I have been searching the internet for cheap & detailed maps. I
> have had little success. I took the decision to make my own maps. I have
> began compiling DVDs/CDs with map data taken from the US Gov GeoCover
> website https://zulu.ssc.nasa.gov/mrsid/mrsid.pl and openstreetmap xml data.
> i have then encoded it into geotiff tiles for use with memory map and other
> gps based software.
>
> i have the intention of selling the dvds at cost, around £10. this will
> include a donation of £2.50 to openstreetmap. the remainder of the money
> will cover the free postage,ebay fees and the cost of a dvd with a case. I
> have been trying to find someone at openstreetmap that can help me with the
> legalities of putting openstreetmap onto a dvd which i then sell. I don't
> want to step on anyone toes as it were.
>
> for an idea of what i am doing point your browsers to
> http://maps.sj410.co.uk on there i have the html which autorun when the
> dvd/cd is inserted into the users pc. i have only started work on iceland
> for the moment but i hope to include other contries if what i am doing is
> acceptable.

What you're doing is just fine by the CC-BY-SA license. You're also
not modifying the map data so all you have to worry about is making it
clear when you distribute it that it's from OpenStreetMap

See this text for more information:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F

The attribution appropriate to your medium I think would be:

* If you're printing something on the DVD itself or its casing it
should include "(c) OpenStreetMap (and) contributors, CC-BY-SA"
somewhere or a similar text you can reasonably fit.
* In your autorun HTML you should not refer to the OSM license as
"OpenStreetMap.Org Creative Commons License" but rather something like
"OpenStreetMap data available under the Creative Commons
Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic license" with a link to the
license

How will users view your maps? Are you just distributing GeoTIFF files
or do you bundle some sort of map viewer as well?

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[Rahkonen Jukka]

Greg Holloway <peanutzkingpenguin@...> writes:

>
>
> Hello,I hope i have picked the right list to ask these questions, please alow
me to explain myself;I am a 4x4 off-roader and i have a laptop on the dash of my
vehicle running memory map. I have been searching the internet for cheap &
detailed maps. I have had little success. I took the decision to make my own
maps. I have began compiling DVDs/CDs with map data taken from the US Gov
GeoCover website https://zulu.ssc.nasa.gov/mrsid/mrsid.pl and openstreetmap xml
data. i have then encoded it into geotiff tiles for use with memory map and
other gps based software.

Hi,

I suggest to consider including OziExplorer .map calibration files on the
CDs/DVDs, I suppose 4x4 folks use often Ozi. Best image formats for Ozi users
are its own ozf3 format or ecw but both can be generated easily from Geotiffs.


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[Greg Holloway-2]

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> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:19:01 +0000

> From: avarab@...
> To: legal-talk@...
> Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] distribution
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Greg Holloway
> <peanutzkingpenguin@...> wrote:
> > I hope i have picked the right list to ask these questions, please alow me
> > to explain myself;
> >
> > I am a 4x4 off-roader and i have a laptop on the dash of my vehicle running
> > memory map. I have been searching the internet for cheap & detailed maps. I
> > have had little success. I took the decision to make my own maps. I have
> > began compiling DVDs/CDs with map data taken from the US Gov GeoCover
> > website https://zulu.ssc.nasa.gov/mrsid/mrsid.pl and openstreetmap xml data.
> > i have then encoded it into geotiff tiles for use with memory map and other
> > gps based software.
> >
> > i have the intention of selling the dvds at cost, around £10. this will
> > include a donation of £2.50 to openstreetmap. the remainder of the money
> > will cover the free postage,ebay fees and the cost of a dvd with a case. I
> > have been trying to find someone at openstreetmap that can help me with the
> > legalities of putting openstreetmap onto a dvd which i then sell. I don't
> > want to step on anyone toes as it were.
> >
> > for an idea of what i am doing point your browsers to
> > http://maps.sj410.co.uk on there i have the html which autorun when the
> > dvd/cd is inserted into the users pc. i have only started work on iceland
> > for the moment but i hope to include other contries if what i am doing is
> > acceptable.
>
> What you're doing is just fine by the CC-BY-SA license. You're also
> not modifying the map data so all you have to worry about is making it
> clear when you distribute it that it's from OpenStreetMap
>
> See this text for more information:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F
>
> The attribution appropriate to your medium I think would be:
>
> * If you're printing something on the DVD itself or its casing it
> should include "(c) OpenStreetMap (and) contributors, CC-BY-SA"
> somewhere or a similar text you can reasonably fit.
> * In your autorun HTML you should not refer to the OSM license as
> "OpenStreetMap.Org Creative Commons License" but rather something like
> "OpenStreetMap data available under the Creative Commons
> Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic license" with a link to the
> license
>
> How will users view your maps? Are you just distributing GeoTIFF files
> or do you bundle some sort of map viewer as well?

i will just be including the tiles, no software.

i will be writting details to the dvd not the casing and i shall mention openstreepmap copyright and any others related., i'll change the text on the autorun html to include your suggestion.

should i include the raw data on the dvd, ie before i have encoded the geotiff?

thanks for you help.

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[Greg Holloway-2]

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> From: jukka.rahkonen@...
> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:28:34 +0000
> Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] distribution
>
> Greg Holloway <peanutzkingpenguin@...> writes:
>
> >
> >
> > Hello,I hope i have picked the right list to ask these questions, please alow
> me to explain myself;I am a 4x4 off-roader and i have a laptop on the dash of my
> vehicle running memory map. I have been searching the internet for cheap &
> detailed maps. I have had little success. I took the decision to make my own
> maps. I have began compiling DVDs/CDs with map data taken from the US Gov
> GeoCover website https://zulu.ssc.nasa.gov/mrsid/mrsid.pl and openstreetmap xml
> data. i have then encoded it into geotiff tiles for use with memory map and
> other gps based software.
>
> Hi,
>
> I suggest to consider including OziExplorer .map calibration files on the
> CDs/DVDs, I suppose 4x4 folks use often Ozi. Best image formats for Ozi users
> are its own ozf3 format or ecw but both can be generated easily from Geotiffs.

i had considered using multiple formats but decided on geotiff and it seems to be compatible with most if not all navigation software.
in the UK most people use either memory map or garmins software. i will check ozi explorer in more detail.

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[Matt Amos-3]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Greg Holloway
<peanutzkingpenguin@...> wrote:

>> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:19:01 +0000
>> From: avarab@...
>> To: legal-talk@...
>> Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] distribution
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Greg Holloway
>> <peanutzkingpenguin@...> wrote:
>> > I hope i have picked the right list to ask these questions, please alow
>> > me
>> > to explain myself;
>> >
>> > I am a 4x4 off-roader and i have a laptop on the dash of my vehicle
>> > running
>> > memory map. I have been searching the internet for cheap & detailed
>> > maps. I
>> > have had little success. I took the decision to make my own maps. I have
>> > began compiling DVDs/CDs with map data taken from the US Gov GeoCover
>> > website https://zulu.ssc.nasa.gov/mrsid/mrsid.pl and openstreetmap xml
>> > data.
>> > i have then encoded it into geotiff tiles for use with memory map and
>> > other
>> > gps based software.
>> >
>> > i have the intention of selling the dvds at cost, around £10. this will
>> > include a donation of £2.50 to openstreetmap. the remainder of the money
>> > will cover the free postage,ebay fees and the cost of a dvd with a case.
>> > I
>> > have been trying to find someone at openstreetmap that can help me with
>> > the
>> > legalities of putting openstreetmap onto a dvd which i then sell. I
>> > don't
>> > want to step on anyone toes as it were.
>> >
>> > for an idea of what i am doing point your browsers to
>> > http://maps.sj410.co.uk on there i have the html which autorun when the
>> > dvd/cd is inserted into the users pc. i have only started work on
>> > iceland
>> > for the moment but i hope to include other contries if what i am doing
>> > is
>> > acceptable.
>>
>> What you're doing is just fine by the CC-BY-SA license. You're also
>> not modifying the map data so all you have to worry about is making it
>> clear when you distribute it that it's from OpenStreetMap
>>
>> See this text for more information:
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F
>>
>> The attribution appropriate to your medium I think would be:
>>
>> * If you're printing something on the DVD itself or its casing it
>> should include "(c) OpenStreetMap (and) contributors, CC-BY-SA"
>> somewhere or a similar text you can reasonably fit.
>> * In your autorun HTML you should not refer to the OSM license as
>> "OpenStreetMap.Org Creative Commons License" but rather something like
>> "OpenStreetMap data available under the Creative Commons
>> Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic license" with a link to the
>> license
>>
>> How will users view your maps? Are you just distributing GeoTIFF files
>> or do you bundle some sort of map viewer as well?
>
>
> i will just be including the tiles, no software.
>
> i will be writting details to the dvd not the casing and i shall mention
> openstreepmap copyright and any others related., i'll change the text on the
> autorun html to include your suggestion.
>
> should i include the raw data on the dvd, ie before i have encoded the
> geotiff?

there's no need to include the raw data on the dvd. and you're already
showing the openstreetmap attribution, so people will know where to go
if they want the raw data.

cheers,

matt

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