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Re: should xml:id be inside TITLE or SECT1?

2009-11-25T23:49:58Z

Hi,

semantically speaking, I guess that when you want to reference an item,
you mean to point to the section, and not the title of it. Because if
you use

<title xml:id="wifi">Wi Fi Networking</title>

you tell the processors that the ID applies only to the title, not the
section. And actually the way xref elements are processed expects that
the ID is on the structural element (chapter, section, figure, etc.).
So the correct syntax is

<sect1 xml:id="wifi">

just test :-)

Camille.

Robert Nagle wrote:

> I am creating a book mainly for PDF rendering but also for
> ebook/chunked html output.
>
> I'll be including cross-references throughout; I don't expect to do a
> lot of fancy customizations.
>
> Is there a preferred method for when to use xml:id?
>
> <sect1 xml:id="wifi">
> <title> </title>
> <para>......</sect1>
>
> OR
>
> <sect1>
> <title xml:id="wifi">Wi Fi Networking</title>
> <para> </para> </sect1>
>
> Does it make a difference? Are there advantages to putting it in the
> title rather rather than the sect1 element? Opinions? Thanks...
>
> rj
>

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should xml:id be inside TITLE or SECT1?

2009-11-25T13:54:57Z

I am creating a book mainly for PDF rendering but also for
ebook/chunked html output.

I'll be including cross-references throughout; I don't expect to do a
lot of fancy customizations.

Is there a preferred method for when to use xml:id?

<sect1 xml:id="wifi">
<title> </title>
<para>......</sect1>

OR

<sect1>
<title xml:id="wifi">Wi Fi Networking</title>
<para> </para> </sect1>

Does it make a difference? Are there advantages to putting it in the
title rather rather than the sect1 element? Opinions? Thanks...

rj
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Re: Tag formatting in PDF output

2009-11-25T09:03:37Z

Hi Andrew,

try setting one of the FO parameters in your customization layer:
http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/doc/fo/fonts.html
(title.font.family and body.font.family)

Also see:
http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/Typography.html#BodyAndTitleFonts

Best regards,

--Scott

Andrew Light wrote:
> A related follow-up: my PDF is resulting with 2 different fonts
> throughout. Section/Chapter titles are in a sans-serif and all other
> fonts are serif (Times). How can I control this - I want all fonts to be
> sans-serif.
>
> Thanks!

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Re: Can I make XSL template for i18n

2009-11-25T00:34:53Z

Jirka Kosek wrote:

> Akihiro Moriguchi wrote:
>
>
>> I think it means I need a template for the "its" namespace, but I'm
>> quite not for sure because of my lack of DocBook XML and XSL knowledge.
>>
>> I'm now reading "DocBook XSL: The Complete Guide".
>> Is it possible to write the template for the feature or need further
>> reference?
>
> Yes, you must add custom templates for handling your Ruby markup into
> your customization layer, something like:
>
> <xsl:template match="its:ruby" xmlns:its="http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its">
> ... code for handling ruby markup ...
> </xsl:template>
>
> Probably you will have to map Ruby markup to layout tables as support
> for Ruby in web browsers and FO engines is very poor.
>
> Jirka
>

Thanks Jirka,

I'm happy to hearing you about capability of Ruby feature.
I'll try to implement it.

Akihiro Moriguchi

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Re: Tag formatting in PDF output

2009-11-24T18:38:36Z

A related follow-up: my PDF is resulting with 2 different fonts throughout. Section/Chapter titles are in a sans-serif and all other fonts are serif (Times). How can I control this - I want all fonts to be sans-serif.

Thanks!

Re: Re: double.sided Parameter Problem

2009-11-24T10:02:44Z

Thanks, Bob, for the prompt reply. This workaround seems to do what I need.

Thanks
John

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----- "Bob Stayton" <bobs@...> wrote:

> Hi,
> There ought to be a separate parameter for turning off PDF bookmarks,
>
> regardless of the XSL-FO processor. Currently there is not, but a
> short
> workaround should suffice for your purposes. If you add this template
> to
> your stylesheet customization layer:
>
> <xsl:template match="*" mode="fop1.outline"/>
>
> To generate the PDF bookmarks, the stylesheet processes the book in
> mode="fop1.outline". This template is empty, so not outline is
> generated in
> that mode. That will turn off bookmarks, and
> you can still set fop1.extensions = 1.
>
> Bob Stayton
> Sagehill Enterprises
> bobs@...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Green" <jmg7439@...>
> To: <docbook-apps@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:12 AM
> Subject: [docbook-apps] Re: double.sided Parameter Problem
>
>
> >>Lily Galle <lily.galle <at> gmx.net> writes:
> >>
> >>Dear all,
> >>
> >><snip>
> >>
> >>With the âXalanâ Transformer I get the following error
> description if
> >>I set
> >>the âdouble.sidedâ parameter to â1â:
> >>
> >><snip>
> >>
> >>java.lang.IllegalStateException: Flow 'xsl-region-body' does not map
> to
> >>the
> >>region-body in page-master 'blank'. FOP presently does not support
> this.
> >>
> >><snip>
> >
> >John Brown replies:
> >If I recall correctly, you will get this error if you use FOP and
> forget to
> >set
> >fop1.extensions = 1.
>
> What if you want double-sided output and no bookmarks in the PDF? You
> need
> double.sided=1 and fop1.extensions=0.
>
>
> Thanks
> John
>
> --
> John Green
>
> "It's no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to
> make
> sense." - Mark Twain
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: sample docbook5 files to stress test XSL processors?

2009-11-24T09:28:49Z

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Tony Graham
<Tony.Graham@...> wrote:
> I use the tests for testing the xmlroff XSL formatter, which is why I
> know about them.

These test documents are also used to "smoketest" the EPUB output (I
get all but [a known] 13 to generate valid EPUBs, IIRC).

HTH,
Keith

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Re: Re: double.sided Parameter Problem

2009-11-24T09:25:14Z

Hi,
There ought to be a separate parameter for turning off PDF bookmarks,
regardless of the XSL-FO processor. Currently there is not, but a short
workaround should suffice for your purposes. If you add this template to
your stylesheet customization layer:

<xsl:template match="*" mode="fop1.outline"/>

To generate the PDF bookmarks, the stylesheet processes the book in
mode="fop1.outline". This template is empty, so not outline is generated in
that mode. That will turn off bookmarks, and
you can still set fop1.extensions = 1.

Bob Stayton
Sagehill Enterprises
bobs@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Green" <jmg7439@...>
To: <docbook-apps@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:12 AM
Subject: [docbook-apps] Re: double.sided Parameter Problem

>>Lily Galle <lily.galle <at> gmx.net> writes:
>>
>>Dear all,
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>With the âXalanâ Transformer I get the following error description if
>>I set
>>the âdouble.sidedâ parameter to â1â:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>java.lang.IllegalStateException: Flow 'xsl-region-body' does not map to
>>the
>>region-body in page-master 'blank'. FOP presently does not support this.
>>
>><snip>
>
>John Brown replies:
>If I recall correctly, you will get this error if you use FOP and forget to
>set
>fop1.extensions = 1.

What if you want double-sided output and no bookmarks in the PDF? You need
double.sided=1 and fop1.extensions=0.

Thanks
John

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"It's no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make
sense." - Mark Twain

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Re: double.sided Parameter Problem

2009-11-24T09:12:46Z

>>Lily Galle <lily.galle <at> gmx.net> writes:
>>
>>Dear all,
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>With the âXalanâ Transformer I get the following error description if I set
>>the âdouble.sidedâ parameter to â1â:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>java.lang.IllegalStateException: Flow 'xsl-region-body' does not map to the
>>region-body in page-master 'blank'. FOP presently does not support this.
>>
>><snip>
>
>John Brown replies:
>If I recall correctly, you will get this error if you use FOP and forget to set
>fop1.extensions = 1.

Re: sample docbook5 files to stress test XSL processors?

2009-11-24T07:16:39Z

On Tue, Nov 24 2009 14:38:09 +0000, rpjday@... wrote:
...

> i notice that this directory represents 4.4 tests:
>
> http://docbook.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/docbook/trunk/testdocs/tests/
>
> but i see the beginnings of a 5.0 directory under that one:
>
> http://docbook.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/docbook/trunk/testdocs/tests/5.0/
>
> i'm assuming that's where a collection of equivalent 5.0 docs are
> slowly being collected?

"slowly" might be the operative term. If you look at the dates, the
'5.0' directory hasn't been modified for three years, and the 'tests'
directory hasn't seen much action since then either.

I use the tests for testing the xmlroff XSL formatter, which is why I
know about them.

Regards,

Tony Graham Tony.Graham@...
Director W3C XSL FO SG Invited Expert
Menteith Consulting Ltd XML Guild member
XML, XSL and XSLT consulting, programming and training
Registered Office: 13 Kelly's Bay Beach, Skerries, Co. Dublin, Ireland
Registered in Ireland - No. 428599 http://www.menteithconsulting.com
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Re: sample docbook5 files to stress test XSL processors?

2009-11-24T06:38:09Z

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Tony Graham wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 24 2009 07:33:41 +0000, rpjday@... wrote:
> > i want to test setting up various combos of XSLT and XSL-FO
> > processors on fedora 12 and, being suitably lazy, i'm looking for
> > sample docbook5 files that will stress test the rendering -- you
> > know, incorporating as many db5 elements as possible, or even a
> > series of increasingly complex db5 files. is there a canonical
> > test suite for this? thanks.
>
> There is the 'testdocs' in the DocBook SourceForge project. See
> http://docbook.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/docbook/trunk/testdocs/
>
> They are mostly DocBook 4.4 documents, but I'm sure no-one would
> mind if you made DocBook 5 versions and contributed back the
> changes.

i notice that this directory represents 4.4 tests:

http://docbook.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/docbook/trunk/testdocs/tests/

but i see the beginnings of a 5.0 directory under that one:

http://docbook.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/docbook/trunk/testdocs/tests/5.0/

i'm assuming that's where a collection of equivalent 5.0 docs are
slowly being collected?

rday
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Re: validating and transforming a simple docbook5 file in fedora linux

2009-11-24T06:10:12Z

Am Dienstag, den 24.11.2009, 07:30 -0500 schrieb Robert P. J. Day:

[..]
> if i just want to validate that file against the relaxng schema with
> xmllint, i have to *explicitly* list the schema file as follows,
> correct?

Correct. However, please always use --noent (and maybe you want to use
--noout). Otherwise you might miss bugs in entities. But that's just
BTW.

> $ xmllint --relaxng /usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng/5.0/docbook.rng test.db5

One word about xmllint here: Although I love it, it is not very useful
for debugging RELAX NG schema based XML files. The error messages
sometimes differ for the same issue depending on where the issue appears
in the file. Sometimes the error messages are misleading or wrong - e.g.
complaining about the attribute near to the buggy attribute. And there
are some more issues.

*IMHO* jing is much better for validation here and it outputs meaningful
error messages.

[..]
> and finally, to generate the HTML, i can use the handy-dandy "xmlto"
> utility but i have to explicitly skip validation since the underlying
> xsltproc program that will be called can't validate relaxng.

That is not correct. xmlto calls xmllint with --postvalid. This requires
the presence of a DTD. You stumbled over a limitation of the xmlto
script.

> $ xmlto --skip-validation html test.db5
> Note: namesp. cut : stripped namespace before processing My book title
> WARNING: cannot add @xml:base to node set root element. Relative paths may not work.
> Note: namesp. cut : processing stripped document My book title
> Writing index.html for book

Another limitation of xmlto. It hardcodes the path to the
namespace-stripped stylesheets (docbook-xsl), which slows down the
processing. To be honest: you can easily directly use xsltproc instead
of xmlto. You can even add the stylesheet to the XML file:

<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="..."?>

Regards, Daniel

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Re: validating and transforming a simple docbook5 file in fedora linux

2009-11-24T05:39:35Z

Hi Robert,

> [... intro pruned ...]
>
> first, here's my incredibly trivial test.db5:
>
> <?xml version="1.0"?>
> <book xmlns="http://docbook.org/ns/docbook" version="5.0">
> <info>
> <title>My book title</title>
> <subtitle>My subtitle</subtitle>
> </info>
> </book>
>
> so far, so good?

It seems valid. :-)

> and, based on my reading so far (just getting
> started), there's nothing i can add to associate that file with a
> particular relaxng schema is there? equivalent to a DTD
> specification?

Right, there is no DOCTYPE, namespace, or anything similar for
RELAX NG.
Some tools insert a processing instruction (like the oXygen XML
editor) but as far as I know, it is not a common procedure.

> next, i can dig into my docbook5-schemas package to see the files:
> ...
> /usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng
> /usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng/5.0
> /usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng/5.0/catalog.xml
> /usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng/5.0/docbook.rnc
> /usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng/5.0/docbook.rng
> /usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng/5.0/docbookxi.rnc
> /usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng/5.0/docbookxi.rng
> ...
>
> if i just want to validate that file against the relaxng schema with
> xmllint, i have to *explicitly* list the schema file as follows,
> correct?

Yes, that's correct.

> $ xmllint --relaxng /usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng/5.0/docbook.rng test.db5
> <?xml version="1.0"?>
> <book xmlns="http://docbook.org/ns/docbook" version="5.0">
> <info>
> <title>My book title</title>
> <subtitle>My subtitle</subtitle>
> </info>
> </book>
> test.db5 validates

I'm not sure about the RELAX NG support in xmllint. Last time I
tried to validate a DocBook5 document with xmllint I had some
problems. Maybe your file is a very simple case for xmllint.

For this reason, check your documents with Jing too.

> any shortcuts for that? as in (like i asked before) incorporating a
> reference to the schema in the file itself?

Not that I'm aware of any. (Of course, you can always "invent" some
magic with processing instruction or the like, but I skip this.)

> and finally, to generate the HTML, i can use the handy-dandy "xmlto"
> utility but i have to explicitly skip validation since the underlying
> xsltproc program that will be called can't validate relaxng.
>
> [...]

I would call/run xsltproc directly.

> and that seems to work. so, to summarize (and let me know if i'm
> out to lunch here):
>
> 1) my test.db5 file is an adequate example of docbook5 input.

Yes, it's correct.

> 2) if i want to validate against a relaxng schema with xmllint, i
> *must* explicitly do it as i did above, since db5 doesn't support(?)
> adding an internal reference to that kind of schema, correct?

It is not DocBook5, it is a "concept" from RELAX NG.

> 3) at this time, actual processing utilities may not have relaxng
> support so it's wise to separate the validation step from the
> processing step, as i did above.

With "processing step" you mean transformation?
In that case, it is not a matter of wise or not. Normally you do
(or should do) always validation and after this step, you transform
your document. A tool could combine these steps (and some actually do),
but internally, it works this way (first validation, second transformation).

> any comments on the above? simplifications? blatant oversights?

It makes sense. :) I would recommend to write a Makefile to simplify
your tasks. Normally this makes it easier: you don't have to memorize
all the command line tools and options. ;)

> p.s. for no good reason, i want to clarify these steps so i can write
> a one-page wiki entry on how to get started playing with docbook5 on
> fedora linux.

Sounds good. :-)

Tom

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validating and transforming a simple docbook5 file in fedora linux

2009-11-24T04:30:08Z

as a followup to my earlier post, to get started with both docbook5
and relaxng, i wanted to figure out the basic commands to do that
validation and transformation on my fedora 12 box using
yum-installable f12 packages, so anyone is free to tell me if i'm
making this more difficult than it has to be.

first, here's my incredibly trivial test.db5:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<book xmlns="http://docbook.org/ns/docbook" version="5.0">
<info>
<title>My book title</title>
<subtitle>My subtitle</subtitle>
</info>
</book>

so far, so good? and, based on my reading so far (just getting
started), there's nothing i can add to associate that file with a
particular relaxng schema is there? equivalent to a DTD
specification?

next, i can dig into my docbook5-schemas package to see the files:
...
/usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng
/usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng/5.0
/usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng/5.0/catalog.xml
/usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng/5.0/docbook.rnc
/usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng/5.0/docbook.rng
/usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng/5.0/docbookxi.rnc
/usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng/5.0/docbookxi.rng
...

if i just want to validate that file against the relaxng schema with
xmllint, i have to *explicitly* list the schema file as follows,
correct?

$ xmllint --relaxng /usr/share/xml/docbook5/schema/rng/5.0/docbook.rng test.db5
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<book xmlns="http://docbook.org/ns/docbook" version="5.0">
<info>
<title>My book title</title>
<subtitle>My subtitle</subtitle>
</info>
</book>
test.db5 validates
$

any shortcuts for that? as in (like i asked before) incorporating a
reference to the schema in the file itself?

and finally, to generate the HTML, i can use the handy-dandy "xmlto"
utility but i have to explicitly skip validation since the underlying
xsltproc program that will be called can't validate relaxng.

$ xmlto html test.db5
xmlto: /home/rpjday/docbook/test.db5 does not validate (status 3)
xmlto: Fix document syntax or use --skip-validation option
validity error : no DTD found!
Document /home/rpjday/docbook/test.db5 does not validate

$ xmlto --skip-validation html test.db5
Note: namesp. cut : stripped namespace before processing My book title
WARNING: cannot add @xml:base to node set root element. Relative paths may not work.
Note: namesp. cut : processing stripped document My book title
Writing index.html for book

and that seems to work. so, to summarize (and let me know if i'm
out to lunch here):

1) my test.db5 file is an adequate example of docbook5 input.

2) if i want to validate against a relaxng schema with xmllint, i
*must* explicitly do it as i did above, since db5 doesn't support(?)
adding an internal reference to that kind of schema, correct?

3) at this time, actual processing utilities may not have relaxng
support so it's wise to separate the validation step from the
processing step, as i did above.

any comments on the above? simplifications? blatant oversights?

rday

p.s. for no good reason, i want to clarify these steps so i can write
a one-page wiki entry on how to get started playing with docbook5 on
fedora linux.

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Re: sample docbook5 files to stress test XSL processors?

2009-11-24T04:04:05Z

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Tony Graham wrote:

yup, that's what i'm after, thanks.

> They are mostly DocBook 4.4 documents, but I'm sure no-one would
> mind if you made DocBook 5 versions and contributed back the
> changes.
>
> I'd be interested to know how you plan to evaluate the output from
> the XSL formatters.

the first thing i want to do is just set up a minimal f12 toolchain.
thoughts and a couple questions on that shortly.

rday
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Re: sample docbook5 files to stress test XSL processors?

2009-11-24T03:16:36Z

On Tue, Nov 24 2009 07:33:41 +0000, rpjday@... wrote:
> i want to test setting up various combos of XSLT and XSL-FO
> processors on fedora 12 and, being suitably lazy, i'm looking for
> sample docbook5 files that will stress test the rendering -- you know,
> incorporating as many db5 elements as possible, or even a series of
> increasingly complex db5 files. is there a canonical test suite for
> this? thanks.

There is the 'testdocs' in the DocBook SourceForge project. See
http://docbook.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/docbook/trunk/testdocs/

They are mostly DocBook 4.4 documents, but I'm sure no-one would mind if
you made DocBook 5 versions and contributed back the changes.

I'd be interested to know how you plan to evaluate the output from the
XSL formatters.

Regards,

Tony Graham Tony.Graham@...
Director W3C XSL FO SG Invited Expert
Menteith Consulting Ltd XML Guild member
XML, XSL and XSLT consulting, programming and training
Registered Office: 13 Kelly's Bay Beach, Skerries, Co. Dublin, Ireland
Registered in Ireland - No. 428599 http://www.menteithconsulting.com
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sample docbook5 files to stress test XSL processors?

2009-11-23T23:33:41Z

i want to test setting up various combos of XSLT and XSL-FO
processors on fedora 12 and, being suitably lazy, i'm looking for
sample docbook5 files that will stress test the rendering -- you know,
incorporating as many db5 elements as possible, or even a series of
increasingly complex db5 files. is there a canonical test suite for
this? thanks.

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Re: Can I make XSL template for i18n

2009-11-22T09:24:42Z

Akihiro Moriguchi wrote:

> I think it means I need a template for the "its" namespace, but I'm
> quite not for sure because of my lack of DocBook XML and XSL knowledge.
>
> I'm now reading "DocBook XSL: The Complete Guide".
> Is it possible to write the template for the feature or need further
> reference?

Yes, you must add custom templates for handling your Ruby markup into
your customization layer, something like:

<xsl:template match="its:ruby" xmlns:its="http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its">
... code for handling ruby markup ...
</xsl:template>

Probably you will have to map Ruby markup to layout tables as support
for Ruby in web browsers and FO engines is very poor.

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minimal set of packages for docbook5 processing on fedora 12?

2009-11-22T08:41:04Z

i posted this on the fedora list earlier today, but i figure this is
just as appropriate a venue.

what's the starter set of packages that one needs to start
processing docbook5 on fedora 12, if one wants to work strictly with
XML (not SGML), and leave DSSSL out of it, and so on? in short, how
little must i install depending on what output i want to generate?

minimally, i realize i'm going to need (and what follows is out of
pure ignorance since i have yet to attempt db5 processing on fedora):

* libxml2 (for xmllint and xmlcatalog)
* libxslt (for xsltproc)
* docbook5-schemas
* docbook5-style-xsl
* fop (for PDF output)

you get the idea. i want to put together a single-page wiki entry
that shows fedora 12 people how to get started with writing and
processing db5, but i don't want to drag along all the historical
baggage.

thoughts? i'm just about to peruse bob stayton's docbook XSL book,
and i can already see the caution that xmllint can't fully handle
docbook5.

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Can I make XSL template for i18n

2009-11-20T13:02:57Z

Hi all,

Please let me know if it is possible to make template for XSL,
because I'm quite new to DocBook XML and XSL.

I'm Japanese and interested in DocBook i17n customization.
As I can read Mr. Kosek's post from archive following,
http://markmail.org/search/?q=ruby&q=list%3Aorg.oasis-open.lists.docbook#query:ruby%20list%3Aorg.oasis-open.lists.docbook+page:2+mid:spm6csstu5x6axzk+state:results
I got to know I can implement ruby annotation feature,
http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-i18n-bp/#DevRuby, with adding
http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ schema.

But the result of processing with xsltproc, I got following output.

----------------
Element ruby in namespace 'http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its' encountered in
para, but no template matches.
Element rb in namespace 'http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its' encountered in
its:ruby, but no template matches.
.
.
----------------

I think it means I need a template for the "its" namespace, but I'm
quite not for sure because of my lack of DocBook XML and XSL knowledge.

I'm now reading "DocBook XSL: The Complete Guide".
Is it possible to write the template for the feature or need further
reference?

Best regards,
Akihiro Moriguchi

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Re: Footnotes in Lists don't work

2009-11-20T00:25:23Z

Cool!
The current trunk version works perfectly!

Thanks a lot!

Johannes

Am 19.11.2009 um 17:17 schrieb Vincent Hennebert:

> Hi,
>
> If that's an acceptable option for you, you can use the Trunk version of
> FOP in which that bug has been fixed. You can download a snapshot of the
> source code here:
> http://svn-master.apache.org/snapshots/fop/
> And see here for help about building FOP:
> http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/trunk/compiling.html
>
> HTH,
> Vincent
>
>
> Johannes Katelaan wrote:
>> So it's a bug in FOP. Too bad!
>> I will have a closer look at the workarounds described in the blog entry and see if it helps in the docbook context.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Johannes
>>
>> Am 17.11.2009 um 12:23 schrieb Damon Mannion:
>>
>>> I *think* this is a known limitation to footnotes and FOP?
>>>
>>> I *think* this is explained here:
>>> http://rvdb.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/rendering-footnotes-in-tables-and-lists-with-fop/
>>>
>>> but am in China at the moment, and access to wordpress seems to be
>>> blocked...
>>>
>>> Damon
>>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:01 +0100, "Johannes Katelaan"
>>> <jk@...> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> if I put a footnote into a list (I tried itemizedlist and variablelist),
>>>> then the footnote number will be calculated correctly and will appear in
>>>> the text, but the footnote body does not appear at the bottom of the
>>>> page. Is this a bug or a feature? Is there a workaround for this?
>>>>
>>>> Johannes
>>>>
>>>>
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RE: Customizing Generated Text with No Context

2009-11-19T14:17:00Z

| -----Original Message-----
| From: John Green
|
| However, the text I want to customize doesn't seem to have a
| context. I want to customize the "Table of Contents" string
| to "Contents". I found the gentext entry for
| "TableofContents" in en.xml, and it seems to be outside of
| any <l:context> element.
|
| How do I make the code work without specifying a context? I
| tried removing the l:context lines, and I tried setting the
| l:template name attribute to "", "/", and ".", but nothing
| works. How do I do this?

Just use <l:gentext>:

<l:i18n xmlns:l="http://docbook.sourceforge.net/xmlns/l10n/1.0">
<l:l10n language="en">
<l:gentext key="TableofContents" text="Contents"/>
</l:l10n>
</l:i18n>

Mauritz

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Customizing Generated Text with No Context

2009-11-19T12:34:19Z

Hello,

I want to customize text that is generated by the docbook xslt (all output formats). I found the sections on customizing generated text in the documentation. It includes the following code sample that creates a local.l10n.xml parameter and specifies a language and context as well as the text to be customized.

<xsl:param name="local.l10n.xml" select="document('')"/>
<l:i18n xmlns:l="http://docbook.sourceforge.net/xmlns/l10n/1.0">
<l:l10n language="en">
<l:context name="xref-number-and-title">
<l:template name="chapter" text="Chapter %n: “%t”"/>
</l:context>
</l:l10n>
</l:i18n>

However, the text I want to customize doesn't seem to have a context. I want to customize the "Table of Contents" string to "Contents". I found the gentext entry for "TableofContents" in en.xml, and it seems to be outside of any <l:context> element.

How do I make the code work without specifying a context? I tried removing the l:context lines, and I tried setting the l:template name attribute to "", "/", and ".", but nothing works. How do I do this?

Thanks
John

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RE: Tag formatting in PDF output

2009-11-19T12:04:35Z

Hi Andrew,

To do that you'll need to create a "customization layer" with templates to control the formatting for the elements you want to change. You'll find that Bob Stayton's book is a great resource for this kind of thing. Look here: http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/CustomInlines.html and for information about creating the customization layer: http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/CustomMethods.html

David

From: Andrew Light [mailto:light.andrew@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:43 PM
To: docbook-apps@...
Subject: [docbook-apps] Tag formatting in PDF output

Hi all,

I have DocBook files that I am converting to PDF (using FOP). I would like my xml tags (like guilabel, guibutton, etc) to be formatted in a special way in the PDF (comparable to the way they are when I convert to HTML using CSS).

How can I control the formatting of my XML tags through to the PDF output?

Thanks in advance!

Andrew

Tag formatting in PDF output

2009-11-19T11:43:29Z

Hi all,

I have DocBook files that I am converting to PDF (using FOP). I would like my xml tags (like guilabel, guibutton, etc) to be formatted in a special way in the PDF (comparable to the way they are when I convert to HTML using CSS).

How can I control the formatting of my XML tags through to the PDF output?

Thanks in advance!

Andrew

Re: Footnotes in Lists don't work

2009-11-19T08:17:04Z

Hi,

If that's an acceptable option for you, you can use the Trunk version of
FOP in which that bug has been fixed. You can download a snapshot of the
source code here:
http://svn-master.apache.org/snapshots/fop/
And see here for help about building FOP:
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/trunk/compiling.html

HTH,
Vincent

Johannes Katelaan wrote:

> So it's a bug in FOP. Too bad!
> I will have a closer look at the workarounds described in the blog entry and see if it helps in the docbook context.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Johannes
>
> Am 17.11.2009 um 12:23 schrieb Damon Mannion:
>
>> I *think* this is a known limitation to footnotes and FOP?
>>
>> I *think* this is explained here:
>> http://rvdb.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/rendering-footnotes-in-tables-and-lists-with-fop/
>>
>> but am in China at the moment, and access to wordpress seems to be
>> blocked...
>>
>> Damon
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:01 +0100, "Johannes Katelaan"
>> <jk@...> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> if I put a footnote into a list (I tried itemizedlist and variablelist),
>>> then the footnote number will be calculated correctly and will appear in
>>> the text, but the footnote body does not appear at the bottom of the
>>> page. Is this a bug or a feature? Is there a workaround for this?
>>>
>>> Johannes
>>>
>>>
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DocBook Publishers Schema

2009-11-18T13:08:24Z

Hi folks

I've just come back to DocBook after about a year away and I'm doing some work that's going to involve using the Publishers Schema. I've come across an inconsistency that I'm unsure about.

The spec for the schema lists <toc> as an included element. However, publishers.rnc does not include toc.rnc either directly or indirectly as far as I can tell. Have I missed something or not?

cheers

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make bold all the xref labels? (Customizing xref style)

2009-11-18T12:34:50Z

I'm trying to figure out how to make bold all the xref labels in my printed PDF.

IN Chapter 15 of the XSL book p264 4th edition, there is a section on
Customizing Cross Reference Typography.
http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/CustomXrefs.html#CustomXrefStyle

But I'm not sure what it means or how to actually implement it.

Two methods are suggested. The first is using the insert.title.markup
mode (whatever that is). The second method (which is more global) lets
you use the xref.properties set. Both methods, of course, are over my
head.

Let's try the second method, which seems easier.

What is xref.properties? The example given lists name="color" and a
test for it. I don't recognize the name="color" attribute here. What
other attributes could you use here? Is there some kind of reference
for what can go inside xref.properties?

The earlier example in the same section shows a stylesheet
customization that looks inside sect1 or section and whenever it sees
an xref, it inserts an FO statement when the $purpose="xref":

<xsl:template match="sect1|sect2|sect3|sect4|sect5|section"
mode="insert.title.markup">
<xsl:param name="purpose"/>
<xsl:param name="xrefstyle"/>
<xsl:param name="title"/>

<xsl:choose>
<xsl:when test="$purpose = 'xref'">
<fo:inline font-style="italic">
<xsl:copy-of select="$title"/>
</fo:inline>
</xsl:when>
<xsl:otherwise>
<xsl:copy-of select="$title"/>
</xsl:otherwise>
</xsl:choose>
</xsl:template>

But I don't understand purpose='xref' here. What is purpose and how
would a writer specify this? Did this template just create
name="purpose" out of thin air or is this something already described
in a stylesheet? In fact, the first part of this doesn't make sense at
all to me; can anyone explain what is going on with purpose and
mode="insert.title.markup" (I recognize xrefstyle and title but not
the rest).

Thanks for your help.

Robert

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Re: Footnotes in Lists don't work

2009-11-17T03:38:58Z

So it's a bug in FOP. Too bad!
I will have a closer look at the workarounds described in the blog entry and see if it helps in the docbook context.

Thanks!

Johannes

Am 17.11.2009 um 12:23 schrieb Damon Mannion:

> I *think* this is a known limitation to footnotes and FOP?
>
> I *think* this is explained here:
> http://rvdb.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/rendering-footnotes-in-tables-and-lists-with-fop/
>
> but am in China at the moment, and access to wordpress seems to be
> blocked...
>
> Damon
>
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:01 +0100, "Johannes Katelaan"
> <jk@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> if I put a footnote into a list (I tried itemizedlist and variablelist),
>> then the footnote number will be calculated correctly and will appear in
>> the text, but the footnote body does not appear at the bottom of the
>> page. Is this a bug or a feature? Is there a workaround for this?
>>
>> Johannes
>>
>>
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Re: Footnotes in Lists don't work

2009-11-17T03:23:03Z

I *think* this is a known limitation to footnotes and FOP?

I *think* this is explained here:
http://rvdb.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/rendering-footnotes-in-tables-and-lists-with-fop/

but am in China at the moment, and access to wordpress seems to be
blocked...

Damon

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:01 +0100, "Johannes Katelaan"
<jk@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> if I put a footnote into a list (I tried itemizedlist and variablelist),
> then the footnote number will be calculated correctly and will appear in
> the text, but the footnote body does not appear at the bottom of the
> page. Is this a bug or a feature? Is there a workaround for this?
>
> Johannes
>
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Footnotes in Lists don't work

2009-11-17T03:01:17Z

Hi,

if I put a footnote into a list (I tried itemizedlist and variablelist), then the footnote number will be calculated correctly and will appear in the text, but the footnote body does not appear at the bottom of the page. Is this a bug or a feature? Is there a workaround for this?

Johannes

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Publishing extremely long tables

2009-11-16T13:40:38Z

Hi all,

I'm publishing docbook files that have been generated off of RDL (register description language) files. Some of the tables in the documents are sufficiently huge that they overwhelm the dbxsl publishing scripts due to, I believe, the degree of recursion necessary to handle rowspan elements.

The thing is, none of the huge tables *use* rowspan elements, so checking for them is a waste of resources. I'm going to alter the table processing so that it checks at each tbody element to see if any of the containing rows contain rowspan elements, and if not then have it use a simplified processing model. Just thought I'd check to see if anyone had already done this and what the best approach turned out to be.

Thanks,
Jeff.

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Re: Building UTF-8 pdfs.

2009-11-16T11:37:38Z

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 01:51:53PM EST, Jirka Kosek wrote:

> Chris Jones wrote:
> > I created a bare-bones DocBook xml file that contains:
>
> This problem is too TeX spefic -- probably you can expect more help on
> specialized XeTeX and TeX lists.

That's the problem with tool chains - you're never sure where to ask.

This is initially an asciidoc problem :-)

Thanks,

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Re: Image overflows

2009-11-16T11:21:24Z

I don't know if I was too fast stating that XEP supports it, but I
will evaluate it. My assumption was based on
http://www.renderx.com/reference.html -> Core Options ->
SUPPORT_XSL11 which turns on/off XSL-FO 1.1 support. I will try
tomorrow and tell you if it works or not. For me this would be a
really useful feature too.

Cheers,
Tobias

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 8:13 PM, David Cramer <dcramer@...> wrote:

> I don't see any reference to it being supported in the XEP docs. This is surprising given how usefult a feature it is.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22scale-down-to-fit%22+site%3Arenderx.com&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
>
> David
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tobias Anstett [k15t.com] [mailto:tobias@...]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:24 AM
>> To: Vincent Hennebert
>> Cc: DocBook Apps
>> Subject: Re: [docbook-apps] Image overflows
>>
>> Thanks Vincent, thanks Bob,
>>
>> We are using FOP as well as XEP so it should work for me. Are
>> there any plans to update the graphics template to support
>> this FO 1.1 feature out of the box?
>>
>> Best,
>> Tobias
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Vincent Hennebert
>> <vhennebert@...> wrote:
>> > Hi Bob,
>> >
>> > Bob Stayton wrote:
>> >> Hi Vincent,
>> >> If you don't mind my asking, how did you learn that FOP
>> 0.95 supports
>> >> it?
>> >
>> > I ran it on a simple FO file and noticed it was producing
>> the expected
>> > output, so I assumed it had support for it :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >> The FOP compliance page does not mention it:
>> >>
>> >> http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/compliance.html
>> >>
>> >> The only 1.1 property it mentions is for bookmarks. I suspect the
>> >> compliance page needs to be updated.
>> >
>> > Indeed, what's confusing is that the compliance page mentions the
>> > XSL-FO 1.0 Recommendation, and not 1.1. In fact, FOP has already
>> > started to implement some 1.1 features.
>> > (Actually, there already is a reported bug about that:
>> > https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=46565)
>> >
>> >
>> > Vincent
>> >
>> >
>> >> Bob Stayton
>> >> Sagehill Enterprises
>> >> bobs@...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vincent Hennebert"
>> >> <vhennebert@...>
>> >> To: "docbook-apps" <docbook-apps@...>
>> >> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:16 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [docbook-apps] Image overflows
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Hi Bob,
>> >>>
>> >>> Bob Stayton wrote:
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> content-width="scale-down-to-fit"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> is a new feature in XSL-FO version 1.1. Do you know of
>> any XSL-FO
>> >>>> processors that support it? I can't seem to find it
>> mentioned in
>> >>>> any documentation of the processors.
>> >>>
>> >>> Apache FOP supports it since version 0.95. I don't know
>> about other
>> >>> XSL-FO processors.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Vincent
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Bob Stayton
>> >>>> Sagehill Enterprises
>> >>>> bobs@...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vincent Hennebert"
>> >>>> <vhennebert@...>
>> >>>> To: "docbook-apps" <docbook-apps@...>
>> >>>> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:53 AM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [docbook-apps] Image overflows
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Tobias,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Tobias Anstett [k15t.com] wrote:
>> >>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Recently I had a problem with image overflows using Apache as
>> >>>>>> well as XEP.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I use both very wide and very high images in my documentation.
>> >>>>>> When applying my customization layers they are always
>> scaled to
>> >>>>>> match the width of the page but I have problems if the
>> image is
>> >>>>>> still to high to match the available page space/size.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Using Apache images are just rendered on top of the
>> page ignoring
>> >>>>>> the page master setup (so above header, body, footer, starter
>> >>>>>> ...) not fitting into the available area in the body.
>> >>>>>> Using XEP there is just some information in the logs
>> stating that
>> >>>>>> XEP was not able to satisfy the constraints and (!!!) does not
>> >>>>>> print the image at all.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I use <d:imagedata width="100%" contentdepth="100%"
> .../> in docbook.
>> >>>>>> Is there a way to enable some kind of auto-fit
>> functionality? In
>> >>>>>> a customization layer producing some kind of powerpoint slide
>> >>>>>> layout I overwrote the graphic template to set the (maximum)
>> >>>>>> height. Now,
>> >>>>>> i) very wide but not that high images are scaled to fit the
>> >>>>>> available width (OK)
>> >>>>>> ii) very high but not very wide images are scaled to fit the
>> >>>>>> available height (OK)
>> >>>>>> iii) small images are upscaled to match height or respectively
>> >>>>>> the width (NOT REALLY OK)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Do somebody have a solution for point iii ?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Not sure of what needs to be done at the DocBook level,
>> but at the
>> >>>>> XSL-FO level you should generate something like this:
>> >>>>> <fo:external-graphic src="url('path/to/the/image')"
>> >>>>> inline-progression-dimension.maximum="100%"
>> >>>>> content-width="scale-down-to-fit"
>> >>>>> block-progression-dimension.maximum="<height of
>> region-body>"
>> >>>>> content-height="scale-down-to-fit"/>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> That should keep small images to their natural widths and scale
>> >>>>> down bigger images.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> HTH,
>> >>>>> Vincent
>> >
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Re: Building UTF-8 pdfs.

2009-11-16T10:51:53Z

Chris Jones wrote:
> I created a bare-bones DocBook xml file that contains:

This problem is too TeX spefic -- probably you can expect more help on
specialized XeTeX and TeX lists.

Jirka

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