empathy backports

[Andres Salomon-8]

Hi,

I'm uploading a backport of empathy.  It's very much a
work-in-progress; there are newer version of dependencies that aren't
in testing yet.  I plan to update the bpo as they migrate to testing,
up until the point at which empathy 2.28 (and any deps necessary to
make voice and video calls) is backported.

This backport required a lot of deps; please report bugs!

alsa-lib_1.0.21a-1~bpo50+1_i386.changes
bluez_4.42-2~bpo50+1_i386.changes
dbus-glib_0.82-2~bpo50+1_i386.changes
empathy_2.26.2-1~bpo50+1_i386.changes
farsight2_0.0.15-1~bpo50+1_i386.changes
glib2.0_2.22.0-1~bpo50+1_i386.changes
gst-plugins-bad0.10_0.10.13-1~bpo50+1_i386.changes
gst-plugins-base0.10_0.10.24-2~bpo50+1_i386.changes
gst-plugins-ugly0.10_0.10.12-1~bpo50+1_i386.changes
gstreamer0.10_0.10.24-1~bpo50+1_i386.changes
gtk+2.0_2.16.6-1~bpo50+1_i386.changes
gupnp_0.12.8-1~bpo50+1_i386.changes
gupnp-igd_0.1.3-3~bpo50+1_i386.changes
libass_0.9.6-1~bpo50+1_i386.changes
libcanberra_0.12-1.1~bpo50+1_i386.changes
libdca_0.0.5-3~bpo50+1_i386.changes
libnice_0.0.9-2~bpo50+1_i386.changes
libtool_2.2.6a-4~bpo50+1_i386.changes
pulseaudio_0.9.15-4.1~bpo50+1_i386.changes
sofia-sip_1.12.10-4~bpo50+1_i386.changes
telepathy-farsight_0.0.9-1~bpo50+1_i386.changes
telepathy-gabble_0.8.1-2~bpo50+1_i386.changes
telepathy-glib_0.9.0-1~bpo50+1_i386.changes
telepathy-haze_0.3.2-1~bpo50+1_i386.changes
telepathy-sofiasip_0.5.18-1~bpo50+1_i386.changes

[Andres Salomon-8]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:59:34 -0400
Andres Salomon <dilinger@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm uploading a backport of empathy.  It's very much a
> work-in-progress; there are newer version of dependencies that aren't
> in testing yet.  I plan to update the bpo as they migrate to testing,
> up until the point at which empathy 2.28 (and any deps necessary to
> make voice and video calls) is backported.
>

Packages are still stuck in NEW; they can be found here as well:
http://lunge.mit.edu/~dilinger/bpo/empathy/

Note that telepathy-haze is broken w/ the version of libpurple that's
in lenny (see #553085).  I'll fix this w/ a new tp-haze backport once
more of the empathy-related packages escape NEW.  In the meantime,
installing the version of libpurple0 from backports.org (rather than
the version that's in lenny) will allow it to work.

[Alexander Wirt]

Andres Salomon schrieb am Freitag, den 30. Oktober 2009:

> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:59:34 -0400
> Andres Salomon <dilinger@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm uploading a backport of empathy.  It's very much a
> > work-in-progress; there are newer version of dependencies that aren't
> > in testing yet.  I plan to update the bpo as they migrate to testing,
> > up until the point at which empathy 2.28 (and any deps necessary to
> > make voice and video calls) is backported.
> >
>
> Packages are still stuck in NEW; they can be found here as well:
> http://lunge.mit.edu/~dilinger/bpo/empathy/
>
> Note that telepathy-haze is broken w/ the version of libpurple that's
> in lenny (see #553085).  I'll fix this w/ a new tp-haze backport once
> more of the empathy-related packages escape NEW.  In the meantime,
> installing the version of libpurple0 from backports.org (rather than
> the version that's in lenny) will allow it to work.

And I'm not sure if I will accept them. There are too many more or less
critical libs inside. Maybe I have time to test them all at the weekend.

Alex
--
Alexander Wirt, formorer@...
CC99 2DDD D39E 75B0 B0AA  B25C D35B BC99 BC7D 020A

[Andres Salomon-8]

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:24:32 +0100
Alexander Wirt <formorer@...> wrote:

> Andres Salomon schrieb am Freitag, den 30. Oktober 2009:
>
> > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:59:34 -0400
> > Andres Salomon <dilinger@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm uploading a backport of empathy.  It's very much a
> > > work-in-progress; there are newer version of dependencies that
> > > aren't in testing yet.  I plan to update the bpo as they migrate
> > > to testing, up until the point at which empathy 2.28 (and any
> > > deps necessary to make voice and video calls) is backported.
> > >
> >
> > Packages are still stuck in NEW; they can be found here as well:
> > http://lunge.mit.edu/~dilinger/bpo/empathy/
> >
> > Note that telepathy-haze is broken w/ the version of libpurple
> > that's in lenny (see #553085).  I'll fix this w/ a new tp-haze
> > backport once more of the empathy-related packages escape NEW.  In
> > the meantime, installing the version of libpurple0 from
> > backports.org (rather than the version that's in lenny) will allow
> > it to work.
> And I'm not sure if I will accept them. There are too many more or
> less critical libs inside. Maybe I have time to test them all at the
> weekend.
>
> Alex

Why not?  They're required for telepathy/empathy voip stuff, and
they're not forced upon other bpo users unless they want empathy.

I built stuff against lenny versions of everything unless there was a
hard version requirement..

[Andres Salomon-8]

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:24:32 +0100
Alexander Wirt <formorer@...> wrote:

> Andres Salomon schrieb am Freitag, den 30. Oktober 2009:
>
> > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:59:34 -0400
> > Andres Salomon <dilinger@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm uploading a backport of empathy.  It's very much a
> > > work-in-progress; there are newer version of dependencies that
> > > aren't in testing yet.  I plan to update the bpo as they migrate
> > > to testing, up until the point at which empathy 2.28 (and any
> > > deps necessary to make voice and video calls) is backported.
> > >
> >
> > Packages are still stuck in NEW; they can be found here as well:
> > http://lunge.mit.edu/~dilinger/bpo/empathy/
> >
> > Note that telepathy-haze is broken w/ the version of libpurple
> > that's in lenny (see #553085).  I'll fix this w/ a new tp-haze
> > backport once more of the empathy-related packages escape NEW.  In
> > the meantime, installing the version of libpurple0 from
> > backports.org (rather than the version that's in lenny) will allow
> > it to work.
> And I'm not sure if I will accept them. There are too many more or
> less critical libs inside. Maybe I have time to test them all at the
> weekend.
>

I just had to explain to someone that they couldn't use these packages
because there were only .debs for i386 at the url above.  :(

If bpo has a policy of not accepting certain packages, it
would be good to have that policy published on the backports.org webpage
so that contributors don't waste their time backporting stuff that's
never to be accepted.

[Gerfried Fuchs-6]

* Andres Salomon <dilinger@...> [2009-11-03 20:19:20 CET]:

> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:24:32 +0100
> Alexander Wirt <formorer@...> wrote:
> > And I'm not sure if I will accept them. There are too many more or
> > less critical libs inside. Maybe I have time to test them all at the
> > weekend.
>
> If bpo has a policy of not accepting certain packages, it would be
> good to have that policy published on the backports.org webpage so
> that contributors don't waste their time backporting stuff that's
> never to be accepted.

 Actually, I'm neither really convinced wether dropping 23 new
packages[1] really is needed, especially when amongst them is stuff like
glib and dbus and a whole bunch of gstreamer. Did you try wether the
versions available in stable actually would be working and you just
would need to reduce the Build-Depends? Did you try to keep it to a
minimal impact? I'm not really sure about that, to be honest...

[1] w3m http://lunge.mit.edu/~dilinger/bpo/empathy/|grep changes|wc -l

 Thanks,
Rhonda

[Alexander Wirt]

Andres Salomon schrieb am Dienstag, den 03. November 2009:

> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:24:32 +0100
> Alexander Wirt <formorer@...> wrote:
>
> > Andres Salomon schrieb am Freitag, den 30. Oktober 2009:
> >
> > > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:59:34 -0400
> > > Andres Salomon <dilinger@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I'm uploading a backport of empathy.  It's very much a
> > > > work-in-progress; there are newer version of dependencies that
> > > > aren't in testing yet.  I plan to update the bpo as they migrate
> > > > to testing, up until the point at which empathy 2.28 (and any
> > > > deps necessary to make voice and video calls) is backported.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Packages are still stuck in NEW; they can be found here as well:
> > > http://lunge.mit.edu/~dilinger/bpo/empathy/
> > >
> > > Note that telepathy-haze is broken w/ the version of libpurple
> > > that's in lenny (see #553085).  I'll fix this w/ a new tp-haze
> > > backport once more of the empathy-related packages escape NEW.  In
> > > the meantime, installing the version of libpurple0 from
> > > backports.org (rather than the version that's in lenny) will allow
> > > it to work.
> > And I'm not sure if I will accept them. There are too many more or
> > less critical libs inside. Maybe I have time to test them all at the
> > weekend.
> >
>
> I just had to explain to someone that they couldn't use these packages
> because there were only .debs for i386 at the url above.  :(
>
> If bpo has a policy of not accepting certain packages, it
> would be good to have that policy published on the backports.org webpage
> so that contributors don't waste their time backporting stuff that's
> never to be accepted.

I do of course some quality checks and if I am not sure if a backport is
working properly I can reject them. That should be clear.

You backported some critical packages like glib and dbus where I am not sure
if they are really needed and that they don't produce any trouble.

Did you tested your backports on lenny boxes with gnome and kde? Are normal
stable packages getting uninstallable or do they have to be removed before
installing the empathy backports?


Thanks in advance
Alex
--
Alexander Wirt, formorer@...
CC99 2DDD D39E 75B0 B0AA  B25C D35B BC99 BC7D 020A

[Andres Salomon-8]

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:28:26 +0100
Alexander Wirt <formorer@...> wrote:

> Andres Salomon schrieb am Dienstag, den 03. November 2009:
>
> > On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:24:32 +0100
> > Alexander Wirt <formorer@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Andres Salomon schrieb am Freitag, den 30. Oktober 2009:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:59:34 -0400
> > > > Andres Salomon <dilinger@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm uploading a backport of empathy.  It's very much a
> > > > > work-in-progress; there are newer version of dependencies that
> > > > > aren't in testing yet.  I plan to update the bpo as they
> > > > > migrate to testing, up until the point at which empathy 2.28
> > > > > (and any deps necessary to make voice and video calls) is
> > > > > backported.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Packages are still stuck in NEW; they can be found here as well:
> > > > http://lunge.mit.edu/~dilinger/bpo/empathy/
> > > >
> > > > Note that telepathy-haze is broken w/ the version of libpurple
> > > > that's in lenny (see #553085).  I'll fix this w/ a new tp-haze
> > > > backport once more of the empathy-related packages escape NEW.
> > > > In the meantime, installing the version of libpurple0 from
> > > > backports.org (rather than the version that's in lenny) will
> > > > allow it to work.
> > > And I'm not sure if I will accept them. There are too many more or
> > > less critical libs inside. Maybe I have time to test them all at
> > > the weekend.
> > >
> >
> > I just had to explain to someone that they couldn't use these
> > packages because there were only .debs for i386 at the url
> > above.  :(
> >
> > If bpo has a policy of not accepting certain packages, it
> > would be good to have that policy published on the backports.org
> > webpage so that contributors don't waste their time backporting
> > stuff that's never to be accepted.
> I do of course some quality checks and if I am not sure if a backport
> is working properly I can reject them. That should be clear.

Sure, but it wasn't clear if there were other reasons.

>
> You backported some critical packages like glib and dbus where I am
> not sure if they are really needed and that they don't produce any
> trouble.
>
> Did you tested your backports on lenny boxes with gnome and kde? Are

I've tested with gnome, but not kde.


> normal stable packages getting uninstallable or do they have to be
> removed before installing the empathy backports?

I haven't run into any trouble with that yet, other than gstreamer
packages causing a conflict w/ having empathy installed (which I've
since fixed).  Obviously, if anyone notices anything, I can take a
look; but with 1500+ gtk packages on a system, I can't test every
permutation.

[Andres Salomon-8]

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:41:02 +0100
Gerfried Fuchs <rhonda@...> wrote:

> * Andres Salomon <dilinger@...> [2009-11-03 20:19:20 CET]:
> > On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:24:32 +0100
> > Alexander Wirt <formorer@...> wrote:
> > > And I'm not sure if I will accept them. There are too many more or
> > > less critical libs inside. Maybe I have time to test them all at
> > > the weekend.
> >
> > If bpo has a policy of not accepting certain packages, it would be
> > good to have that policy published on the backports.org webpage so
> > that contributors don't waste their time backporting stuff that's
> > never to be accepted.
>
>  Actually, I'm neither really convinced wether dropping 23 new
> packages[1] really is needed, especially when amongst them is stuff
> like glib and dbus and a whole bunch of gstreamer. Did you try wether

Some of them are needed only for building, and not actually at
runtime.  A fair number of them aren't in lenny _at all_, so of course
they're needed.

farsight2, gupnp-igd, libass, libdca, libnice, and telepathy-farsight
aren't in lenny at all. I fail to see why there's any question about
those. libcanberra's version in lenny is old enough (and it was a new
enough package then) that it might as well not have been there, either.

The telepathy and empathy packages are what I actually care about, so
of course they're going to be backported.  That's 11 packages (12 if
you count libcanberra) that are absolutely essential.  

> the versions available in stable actually would be working and you
> just would need to reduce the Build-Depends? Did you try to keep it

Of course.  However, there have been API additions to glib/gtk, and a
number of packages are making use of the new API.

> to a minimal impact? I'm not really sure about that, to be honest...

A bunch of the packages
that aren't in lenny (farsight2 related stuff) require a newer
gstreamer.  Telepathy adds voip support, so it's not surprising that
various multimedia codecs are necessary (and not old older gst
releases, as new stuff gets added).  I'm not talking about just
backporting a specific application here, I'm backporting an entire
framework (telepathy).  I *could* just backport the UI, but that's
completely uninteresting; I'd happy with the lenny version if I'm
just looking for an IM client.  I want google video chat support, etc.

Not only did I try every build w/ lenny versions of things first, I
found a number of FTBFS situations due to glib/gtk not having a
high-enough versioned build-dep (ie, #550427, #550406).  So yes, things
like gstreamer and glib/gtk really are needed.

I want a fully functional Empathy in lenny rather than a
crippled half-working version, and that's going to require new
packages.


>
> [1] w3m http://lunge.mit.edu/~dilinger/bpo/empathy/|grep changes|wc -l
>
>  Thanks,
> Rhonda
>

[Andres Salomon-8]

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:28:26 +0100
Alexander Wirt <formorer@...> wrote:

> Andres Salomon schrieb am Dienstag, den 03. November 2009:
>
[...]

> > If bpo has a policy of not accepting certain packages, it
> > would be good to have that policy published on the backports.org
> > webpage so that contributors don't waste their time backporting
> > stuff that's never to be accepted.
> I do of course some quality checks and if I am not sure if a backport
> is working properly I can reject them. That should be clear.
>
> You backported some critical packages like glib and dbus where I am
> not sure if they are really needed and that they don't produce any
> trouble.
>

I noticed that the rest got through; are you going to let glib and gtk
through?