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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26801987</id>
	<title>Re: WMS TIME and ELEVATION through XML POST</title>
	<published>2009-12-15T13:21:05Z</published>
	<updated>2009-12-15T13:21:05Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Keith Pomakis</name>
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	<content type="html">Alessio Fabiani wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'm trying to build up a WMS GetMap request XML encoded and post it trhough
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; HTTP POST to the server, but actually I'm not able to find a way to specify
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; also the TIME and ELEVATION parameters into the XML request.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Also the GetMap XSD seems not allowing to do that. The only possible way
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; might be specifying the parameters through the SLD filter but actually I
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; would like to query raster layers and cannot figure out how to do that.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Can someone please give me some pointers and delucidations on this issue?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To the best of my knowledge, the situation is this. &amp;nbsp;Very little
&lt;br&gt;attention has been paid to the XML encodings of the various requests in
&lt;br&gt;the latest versions of the WMS specifications, and thus what exists is
&lt;br&gt;not necessary complete or consistent with the HTTP GET versions of the
&lt;br&gt;requests. &amp;nbsp;Thus, the only real way to include the TIME and ELEVATION
&lt;br&gt;parameters in an XML-encoded GetMap request is to use a vendor- or
&lt;br&gt;project-specific extension to the GetMap schema.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The next version of the WMS specification (currently being developed)
&lt;br&gt;will hopefully remedy this situation.
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	<title>WMS TIME and ELEVATION through XML POST</title>
	<published>2009-12-15T07:47:20Z</published>
	<updated>2009-12-15T07:47:20Z</updated>
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		<name>Alessio Fabiani-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hello all,&lt;div&gt;I&amp;#39;m trying to build up a WMS GetMap request XML encoded and post it trhough HTTP POST to the server, but actually I&amp;#39;m not able to find a way to specify also the TIME and ELEVATION parameters into the XML request.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Also the GetMap XSD seems not allowing to do that. The only possible way might be specifying the parameters through the SLD filter but actually I would like to query raster layers and cannot figure out how to do that.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Can someone please give me some pointers and delucidations on this issue?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Thank you very much.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Regards,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;          Alessio.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br clear=&quot;all&quot;&gt;
-------------------------------------------------------&lt;br&gt;Eng. Alessio Fabiani&lt;br&gt;Founder / CTO GeoSolutions S.A.S.&lt;br&gt;Via Carignoni 51&lt;br&gt;55041  Camaiore (LU)&lt;br&gt;Italy&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;phone: +39 0584 983027&lt;br&gt;fax:      +39 0584 983027&lt;br&gt;
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	<title>Re: Best practices for securing WMS?</title>
	<published>2009-11-16T09:19:03Z</published>
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		<name>Jeff Harrison</name>
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&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Jon,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;The OGC has started an &amp;quot;Authentication
Interoperability Experiment&amp;quot; to address just this issue - and develop a
Best Practice for Authentication on WMS. The first use case is HTTP
Authentication.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;I encourage you to get engaged if possible. An initial
announcement on the effort is here - &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengeospatial.org/pressroom/pressreleases/1073&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengeospatial.org/pressroom/pressreleases/1073&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Please do not hesitate to contact me if you any
questions, or if I may help in any way. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Regards,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Jeff&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Jeff Harrison | The Carbon Project and CubeWerx |
www.TheCarbonProject.com&amp;nbsp; www.CubeWerx.com | Phone (703) 491 9543 | Fax
(703) 491 0873 | www.Twitter.com/JeffHarrison&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;--&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;span style='color:black'&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Today's Topics:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 1. Best practices for securing WMS? (Jon
Blower)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 2. Re: Best practices for securing WMS?
(Horst Wessel (Moskito))&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;----------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Message: 1&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:29:51 +0000&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;From: Jon Blower &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26375849&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jdb@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Subject: [wms-dev] Best practices for securing WMS?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;To: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26375849&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wms-dev@...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Message-ID:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26375849&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2bb6ee950911160729t5b21674fj68038147c50ddcbe@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Hi all,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;I'm in a project in which we are considering providing
WMS access to&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;secure datasets.&amp;nbsp; We're at the early stages of
researching how best to&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;do this (or even whether we really need to do this at
all) but I was&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;wondering if anyone has developed any best practices in
this area?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;We'd probably be looking at some fairly lightweight
authentication on&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;the WMS server.&amp;nbsp; I know some WMS clients support
HTTP Basic&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;authentication, but this has to be done over HTTPS to
protect&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;passwords.&amp;nbsp; Digest authentication over plain HTTP is
another&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;possibility.&amp;nbsp; Client-side certificates are another,
although rather&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;more complex for the client and unlikely to be supported
in many WMS&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;clients.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;We'd also like the access control to be fairly
fine-grained, i.e.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;potentially with different permissions on each
layer.&amp;nbsp; We develop the&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;WMS server in question so we have control of any
server-side code that&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;might be needed.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Thanks in advance for any help.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Jon&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;-- &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Dr Jon Blower&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Technical Director, Reading e-Science Centre&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Environmental Systems Science Centre&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;University of Reading&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Harry Pitt Building, 3 Earley Gate&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Reading RG6 6AL. UK&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Tel: +44 (0)118 378 5213&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Fax: +44 (0)118 378 6413&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Message: 2&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:16:03 +0700&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;From: &amp;quot;Horst Wessel (Moskito)&amp;quot;
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&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Subject: Re: [wms-dev] Best practices for securing WMS?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;To: &amp;quot;Jon Blower&amp;quot;
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&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Message-ID:
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&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Hello all,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;we until now have implemented HTTP Basic Auth for the
Moskito GIS Webserver. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;We do http normally, as the security in most cases is Ok.
There are 2 &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;solution for the password query. It can be done by assess
to the map or by &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;queriing a special page for login. As soon, as this page
has been accessed, &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;all other pages from the same server get user and
password as well.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;After login, we can control detailed reaction on
WMS-GetFeatureinfo and &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;layers. If interested, please take a look at
www.cantho.iwrm.vn for an &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;impression. This solution is easy to use and medium
secure.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Hope this helps&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Horst&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Moskito GIS&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;----- Original Message ----- &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;From: &amp;quot;Jon Blower&amp;quot;
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&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;To: &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26375849&amp;i=9&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wms-dev@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:29 PM&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;Subject: [wms-dev] Best practices for securing WMS?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; Hi all,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; I'm in a project in which we are considering
providing WMS access to&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; secure datasets.&amp;nbsp; We're at the early stages of
researching how best to&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; do this (or even whether we really need to do this
at all) but I was&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; wondering if anyone has developed any best practices
in this area?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; We'd probably be looking at some fairly lightweight
authentication on&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; the WMS server.&amp;nbsp; I know some WMS clients
support HTTP Basic&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; authentication, but this has to be done over HTTPS
to protect&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; passwords.&amp;nbsp; Digest authentication over plain
HTTP is another&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; possibility.&amp;nbsp; Client-side certificates are
another, although rather&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; more complex for the client and unlikely to be
supported in many WMS&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; clients.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; We'd also like the access control to be fairly
fine-grained, i.e.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; potentially with different permissions on each
layer.&amp;nbsp; We develop the&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; WMS server in question so we have control of any
server-side code that&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; might be needed.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; Thanks in advance for any help.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; Jon&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; -- &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; Dr Jon Blower&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; Technical Director, Reading e-Science Centre&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; Environmental Systems Science Centre&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; University of Reading&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; Harry Pitt Building, 3 Earley Gate&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; Reading RG6 6AL. UK&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=MsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; Tel: +44 (0)118 378 5213&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26374712</id>
	<title>Re: Best practices for securing WMS?</title>
	<published>2009-11-16T08:16:03Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-16T08:16:03Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Horst Wessel (Moskito)</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hello all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;we until now have implemented HTTP Basic Auth for the Moskito GIS Webserver. 
&lt;br&gt;We do http normally, as the security in most cases is Ok. There are 2 
&lt;br&gt;solution for the password query. It can be done by assess to the map or by 
&lt;br&gt;queriing a special page for login. As soon, as this page has been accessed, 
&lt;br&gt;all other pages from the same server get user and password as well.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;After login, we can control detailed reaction on WMS-GetFeatureinfo and 
&lt;br&gt;layers. If interested, please take a look at www.cantho.iwrm.vn for an 
&lt;br&gt;impression. This solution is easy to use and medium secure.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hope this helps
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Horst
&lt;br&gt;Moskito GIS
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&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;----- Original Message ----- 
&lt;br&gt;From: &amp;quot;Jon Blower&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26374712&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jdb@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;To: &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26374712&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wms-dev@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:29 PM
&lt;br&gt;Subject: [wms-dev] Best practices for securing WMS?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'm in a project in which we are considering providing WMS access to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; secure datasets. &amp;nbsp;We're at the early stages of researching how best to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; do this (or even whether we really need to do this at all) but I was
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; wondering if anyone has developed any best practices in this area?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; We'd probably be looking at some fairly lightweight authentication on
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the WMS server. &amp;nbsp;I know some WMS clients support HTTP Basic
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; authentication, but this has to be done over HTTPS to protect
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; passwords. &amp;nbsp;Digest authentication over plain HTTP is another
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; possibility. &amp;nbsp;Client-side certificates are another, although rather
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; more complex for the client and unlikely to be supported in many WMS
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; clients.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; We'd also like the access control to be fairly fine-grained, i.e.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; potentially with different permissions on each layer. &amp;nbsp;We develop the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; WMS server in question so we have control of any server-side code that
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; might be needed.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thanks in advance for any help.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Jon
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; -- 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Dr Jon Blower
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Technical Director, Reading e-Science Centre
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Environmental Systems Science Centre
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; University of Reading
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Harry Pitt Building, 3 Earley Gate
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Reading RG6 6AL. UK
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Tel: +44 (0)118 378 5213
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Fax: +44 (0)118 378 6413
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26373932</id>
	<title>Best practices for securing WMS?</title>
	<published>2009-11-16T07:29:51Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-16T07:29:51Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Jon Blower</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I'm in a project in which we are considering providing WMS access to
&lt;br&gt;secure datasets. &amp;nbsp;We're at the early stages of researching how best to
&lt;br&gt;do this (or even whether we really need to do this at all) but I was
&lt;br&gt;wondering if anyone has developed any best practices in this area?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We'd probably be looking at some fairly lightweight authentication on
&lt;br&gt;the WMS server. &amp;nbsp;I know some WMS clients support HTTP Basic
&lt;br&gt;authentication, but this has to be done over HTTPS to protect
&lt;br&gt;passwords. &amp;nbsp;Digest authentication over plain HTTP is another
&lt;br&gt;possibility. &amp;nbsp;Client-side certificates are another, although rather
&lt;br&gt;more complex for the client and unlikely to be supported in many WMS
&lt;br&gt;clients.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We'd also like the access control to be fairly fine-grained, i.e.
&lt;br&gt;potentially with different permissions on each layer. &amp;nbsp;We develop the
&lt;br&gt;WMS server in question so we have control of any server-side code that
&lt;br&gt;might be needed.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks in advance for any help.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jon
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26059070</id>
	<title>Display WMS layer within Openlayers when STATUS set to ON</title>
	<published>2009-10-26T04:28:48Z</published>
	<updated>2009-10-26T04:28:48Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Paul Curran</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&lt;div&gt;Hi, I have been struggling with this problem for a while now.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;My WMS layer will only display if STATUS is set to DEFAULT within the mapfile. If status is set to ON, i get following error message within OL Map window. &amp;quot;WMSLoadGetMapParams(): WMS Server Error&amp;quot;. What am i missing to call the layer within openlayers? The reason i want it set to ON is i eventually want to have several layers and call them for a particular zoom level.&lt;br&gt;
 &lt;br&gt;My Code is as follows:&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;      var bounds = new OpenLayers.Bounds(0, 0, 660046, 1229782);&lt;br&gt;      var map, layer1, layer2;&lt;br&gt;      var options = { maxExtent: bounds, maxResolution: 1000, numZoomLevels: 10};&lt;br&gt;
 &lt;br&gt;      &lt;br&gt;      &lt;br&gt;      function init(){&lt;br&gt;          map = new OpenLayers.Map(&amp;#39;map&amp;#39;, options);&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;      layer1 = new OpenLayers.Layer.WMS(&amp;quot;OpenLayers WMS&amp;quot;,&lt;br&gt;      &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://localhost/cgi-bin/mapserv.exe?map=c:/ms4w/apps/openlayers-2.8/data/uk2.map&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#2a5db0&quot;&gt;http://localhost/cgi-bin/mapserv.exe?map=c:/ms4w/apps/openlayers-2.8/data/uk2.map&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;, { layers: &amp;quot;250&amp;quot; },&lt;br&gt;
      {gutter: 15});&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;      map.addLayer(layer1);&lt;br&gt;      map.zoomToMaxExtent();&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;And my mapfile looks as follows:&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;NAME UK1&lt;br&gt; PROJECTION&lt;br&gt;    &amp;#39;proj=longlat&amp;#39;&lt;br&gt;    &amp;#39;ellps=WGS84&amp;#39;&lt;br&gt;    &amp;#39;datum=WGS84&amp;#39;&lt;br&gt;    &amp;#39;no_defs&amp;#39;&lt;br&gt;    &amp;#39;&amp;#39;&lt;br&gt;    END  &lt;br&gt;    SIZE 1600 1200&lt;br&gt;    IMAGECOLOR  -1 -1 -1&lt;br&gt;
    IMAGETYPE JPEG&lt;br&gt;    SHAPEPATH &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://localhost/openlayers/data/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://localhost/openlayers/data/&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;br&gt;    #QGIS&lt;br&gt;    #EXTENT  -837824 -111116 1677552 1232884&lt;br&gt;    #Port Talbot &lt;br&gt;    #EXTENT 272000 187000 278000 193000&lt;br&gt;
    #UK &lt;br&gt;    EXTENT  0 0 660046 1240000&lt;br&gt;    UNITS METERS&lt;br&gt;    &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; WEB&lt;br&gt;   TEMPLATE &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://localhost/openlayers/examples/uktest.html&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://localhost/openlayers/examples/uktest.html&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;br&gt;
   LOG &amp;quot;\ms4w\tmp\ms_tmp\log.txt&amp;quot;&lt;br&gt;      IMAGEPATH &amp;quot;\ms4w\tmp\ms_tmp\&amp;quot;&lt;br&gt;      IMAGEURL &amp;quot;/ms_tmp/&amp;quot;&lt;br&gt;      METADATA&lt;br&gt;  &amp;#39;wms_title&amp;#39; &amp;quot;map&amp;quot;&lt;br&gt;        &amp;#39;wms_onlineresource&amp;#39;  &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://127.0.0.1./cgi-bin/mapserv?map=uk2.map&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://127.0.0.1./cgi-bin/mapserv?map=uk2.map&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;br&gt;
      END&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt; END&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt; LAYER&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;    NAME &amp;quot;250&amp;quot;&lt;br&gt;    METADATA&lt;br&gt;      &amp;#39;250&amp;#39; &amp;quot;wms_demo&amp;quot;&lt;br&gt;    END&lt;br&gt;    STATUS DEFAULT&lt;br&gt;    TYPE raster&lt;br&gt;    TILEINDEX &amp;quot;250K&amp;quot;&lt;br&gt;    TILEITEM &amp;quot;Location&amp;quot;&lt;br&gt;
    PROJECTION&lt;br&gt;  &amp;#39;proj=longlat&amp;#39;&lt;br&gt;  &amp;#39;ellps=WGS84&amp;#39;&lt;br&gt;  &amp;#39;datum=WGS84&amp;#39;&lt;br&gt;  &amp;#39;no_defs&amp;#39;&lt;br&gt;  &amp;#39;&amp;#39;&lt;br&gt;    END&lt;br&gt;    CLASS&lt;br&gt;      STYLE&lt;br&gt;       COLOR 0 0 0&lt;br&gt;      END&lt;br&gt;      LABEL&lt;br&gt;
       COLOR 0 0 0&lt;br&gt;       SIZE SMALL&lt;br&gt;      END&lt;br&gt;        &lt;br&gt;    END&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Thanks for any help in advance&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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	<title>Re: Georss.org = Attack Site (Firefox)</title>
	<published>2009-10-14T05:42:55Z</published>
	<updated>2009-10-14T05:42:55Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Andrew Turner-8</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I'm on it. Wordpress needs to be upgraded.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Wednesday, October 14, 2009, Andrew Turner &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25890412&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ajturner@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'm on it. Wordpress needs to be upgraded.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; (via mobile)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; On Oct 14, 2009, at 6:44 AM, &amp;quot;Mathias Richter&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25890412&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;saith@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hello list,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; my firefox 3.5 browser says, that georss.org is an “Suspected Attack Site!”. Who can solve this problem?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Greetings,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
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	<title>Georss.org = Attack Site (Firefox)</title>
	<published>2009-10-14T03:44:50Z</published>
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		<name>Mathias Richter</name>
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25834462</id>
	<title>Re: [Geowanking] openARML augmented Reality Markuplanguage ~ extended KML?</title>
	<published>2009-10-10T07:03:43Z</published>
	<updated>2009-10-10T07:03:43Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Carl Reed</name>
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&lt;DIV&gt;To follow up on Greg's comments.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;A few weeks ago, I attended Intergeo 2009 in Karlsruhe. I saw detailed 
demonstrations of some of the work being done by Fraunhofer for emergency 
services, disaster management, and alerting. A blend of mapping (2d and 3d), AR, 
CAD/GIS/BIM integration, and sensor fusion. Very impressive. I also saw a really 
cool AR type demonstration from CPA Systems (&lt;A href=&quot;http://www.cpa-systems.de/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cpa-systems.de/&lt;/A&gt;). They had a 
CityGML file for all of Stuttgart (LOD3). The file was stored in its native 
format (no translation) in a database on a server. They had a game boy control 
linked to&amp;nbsp;low end laptop that was linked wirelessly to the internet. They 
had a client application on the laptop that allowed the user to use the gameboy 
to control driving through the virtual city. All the urban model information was 
rendered directly from the CityGML file on the server. Very impressive. No 
hercky jerky. As they say, evidence that XML is not the enemy. Their next step 
is to&amp;nbsp;fuse other layers, such as tree and annotation,&amp;nbsp;into the virtual 
scene. They are also working on deploying a mobile version of the application. 
Everything they are doing is standards based - but very video game in 
concept.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;To add to the mix, there are now a number of applications for BIM 
(IFCs)&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;=&amp;gt; CityGML transformations, such as the work by Bentley or 
Snowflake or Onuma/BimStorm.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;And finally a number of organizations, such as Hitachi, are intensively 
researching standards based approaches that blend indoor navigation and AR. And 
not a word about GIS - all the content is coming from CAD drawings.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;And, Anselm, CityGML&amp;nbsp;encodes position, orientation, metadata, and 
relationships as well as semantics.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;I think the &quot;pure&quot; AR community would be well served to understand and 
learn from existing work.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;Carl&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
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  PM&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV style=&quot;FONT: 10pt arial&quot;&gt;&lt;B&gt;Subject:&lt;/B&gt; RE: [Geowanking] [georss] 
  openARML augmented Reality Markuplanguage ~ extended KML?&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style=&quot;FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana&quot;&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;GeoWankers,&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;Here is a thought from a real-world builder.&amp;nbsp; I consider this 
  relatively important given that the size of the building industry in the U.S. 
  is typically $1.3 trillion - and even in the current down market it is $850 
  billion.&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;Billions of existing CAD files (granted, most are simply 2D) already 
  exist on architects' hard drives.&amp;nbsp; The very last thing the design and 
  building world need is ANOTHER standard.&amp;nbsp; I consider it the very height 
  of geo-arrogance that the wanker community considers GIS data more important 
  than CAD/CAM/BIM data.&amp;nbsp; Don't overlook the fact that most people have far 
  more interest in interacting with building data (especially their own house) 
  than with GIS data.&amp;nbsp; THe importance and relevance of GIS data becomes 
  many times more important when mashed-up with other data.&amp;nbsp; John Hanke 
  publicly stated that he co-created Keyhole as a platform for real estate 
  visualization.&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;Before you rush off to create yet another standard why not do a little 
  due diligence and look at &lt;A title=&quot;Carl Reed's existing work for the OGC regarding standards GIS-CAD-BIM&quot; href=&quot;http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;amp;source=web&amp;amp;ct=res&amp;amp;cd=1&amp;amp;ved=0CAcQFjAA&amp;amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fportal.opengeospatial.org%2Ffiles%2F%3Fartifact_id%3D28092&amp;amp;ei=3uLPStX0IZCaMMLDpZQD&amp;amp;usg=AFQjCNEF6ElPoKpxBiiHZrwYj44ONaKbFQ&amp;amp;sig2=xMR6Xk89nbi5_MaKrzuLuw&quot; target=_blank mce_href=&quot;http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;amp;source=web&amp;amp;ct=res&amp;amp;cd=1&amp;amp;ved=0CAcQFjAA&amp;amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fportal.opengeospatial.org%2Ffiles%2F%3Fartifact_id%3D28092&amp;amp;ei=3uLPStX0IZCaMMLDpZQD&amp;amp;usg=AFQjCNEF6ElPoKpxBiiHZrwYj44ONaKbFQ&amp;amp;sig2=xMR6Xk89nbi5_MaKrzuLuw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Carl 
  Reed's existing work for the OGC regarding standards GIS-CAD-BIM&lt;/A&gt; and the 
  design world's ongoing battle over standards for 3D geometry and object-level 
  meta-data. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;I fully agree with David Colleen's views that supporting existing 
  standards will inevitably prove far more beneficial.&amp;nbsp; I also believe it 
  will open up unprecedented business opportunities for those willing and able 
  to overlook their own domains and the ubiquitous silo-thinking that one finds 
  in both academia and the commercial world.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;You can choose a different approach and remain years behind the augmented 
  and virtual reality work already being done by the many Fraunhofer 
  institutes.&amp;nbsp; Bear in mind that much of this work is very much standards 
  compliant and supported by large industries in Germany and elsewhere.&amp;nbsp; I 
  suspect this year's &lt;A title=&quot;ISMAAR conference &quot; href=&quot;http://www.ismar09.org/&quot; target=_blank mce_href=&quot;http://www.ismar09.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ISMAAR conference &lt;/A&gt;will further confirm 
  who is really doing serious work mashing up data in real world commercial 
  applications. &lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;Or one can simply ignore it and choose irrelevance.&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;A builder's perspective,&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;Greg Howes&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=&quot;PADDING-LEFT: 8px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 8px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: verdana&quot; webmail=&quot;1&quot;&gt;
    &lt;DIV&gt;-------- Original Message --------&lt;BR&gt;Subject: Re: [Geowanking] 
    [georss] openARML augmented Reality&lt;BR&gt;Markuplanguage ~ extended 
    KML?&lt;BR&gt;From: Anselm Hook &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25834462&amp;i=6&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;anselm@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt;Date: Fri, October 09, 
    2009 1:23 pm&lt;BR&gt;To: Carl Reed &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25834462&amp;i=7&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;creed@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt;Cc: 
    geojson &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25834462&amp;i=8&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geojson@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;, 
    &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25834462&amp;i=9&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;BR&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25834462&amp;i=10&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss@...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;A few other 
    subjective notes:&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;4) Perhaps one more feature would be to look at how 
    hard it is to&lt;BR&gt;decorate the description of the geometry with style hints - 
    is style&lt;BR&gt;attached as a kind of CSS or the like?&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;5) And one other 
    thing is ( a personal thing ) is it easy to multiply&lt;BR&gt;instance a 
    geometry?&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;6) Finally, for me, I just like the cleanest tidiest 
    smallest grammar&lt;BR&gt;- one that let's me read it easily; that is terse... I 
    know that the&lt;BR&gt;conceptual notations are not tied to XML but I do like to 
    see JSON&lt;BR&gt;expressions or tidier expressions. I'm not a big fan of the 
    XML&lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;markup&amp;gt; style notations because these days there is nothing 
    that is&lt;BR&gt;outside the markup zone. Markup meta-data today far overwhelms 
    the&lt;BR&gt;unmarked regions. Therefore it seems to make little sense to have 
    the&lt;BR&gt;heavier tags. You could just say something like &quot;title { }&quot; 
    or&lt;BR&gt;&quot;title: &quot; instead of &amp;lt;title&amp;gt;blah&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;7) I sure 
    like having math operators in my grammar. CSS, even HTML for&lt;BR&gt;me are sadly 
    lacking and end up being very verbose. I know we all want&lt;BR&gt;dirt simple 
    parsers but I also really want some minimal abstraction.&lt;BR&gt;This is why I 
    like HAML and SASS - for terseness. It doesn't have to&lt;BR&gt;be a fully 
    procedural grammar with conditional expressions but the&lt;BR&gt;fully dumb 
    declarative grammars cause a lot of needless repetition&lt;BR&gt;that doesn't very 
    well capture the abstractions that are self-evident&lt;BR&gt;to a human 
    author.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Anyway... sorry to ramble on... I just do feel those are all 
    empirical&lt;BR&gt;tests which could be used to measure the utility of a new 
    grammar&lt;BR&gt;especially for AR which is now effectively making video-game 
    concepts&lt;BR&gt;mainstream... how well it maps the problem space and how easily 
    humans&lt;BR&gt;can understand it... aside from the more mundane expected details 
    of&lt;BR&gt;capturing position, orientation, velocity, meta-data, 
    relationships&lt;BR&gt;and other kinds of things that one might want to 
    capture.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;- 
    me&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;_______________________________________________&lt;BR&gt;Geowanking 
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25827375</id>
	<title>Re: [Geowanking] openARML augmented Reality Markuplanguage ~ extended KML?</title>
	<published>2009-10-09T13:23:13Z</published>
	<updated>2009-10-09T13:23:13Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Anselm Hook-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">A few other subjective notes:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;4) Perhaps one more feature would be to look at how hard it is to
&lt;br&gt;decorate the description of the geometry with style hints - is style
&lt;br&gt;attached as a kind of CSS or the like?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;5) And one other thing is ( a personal thing ) is it easy to multiply
&lt;br&gt;instance a geometry?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;6) Finally, for me, I just like the cleanest tidiest smallest grammar
&lt;br&gt;- one that let's me read it easily; that is terse... &amp;nbsp;I know that the
&lt;br&gt;conceptual notations are not tied to XML but I do like to see JSON
&lt;br&gt;expressions or tidier expressions. I'm not a big fan of the XML
&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;markup&amp;gt; style notations because these days there is nothing that is
&lt;br&gt;outside the markup zone. Markup meta-data today far overwhelms the
&lt;br&gt;unmarked regions. &amp;nbsp;Therefore it seems to make little sense to have the
&lt;br&gt;heavier tags. &amp;nbsp;You could just say something like &amp;quot;title { }&amp;quot; or
&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;title: &amp;quot; instead of &amp;lt;title&amp;gt;blah&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;7) I sure like having math operators in my grammar. CSS, even HTML for
&lt;br&gt;me are sadly lacking and end up being very verbose. I know we all want
&lt;br&gt;dirt simple parsers but I also really want some minimal abstraction.
&lt;br&gt;This is why I like HAML and SASS - for terseness. It doesn't have to
&lt;br&gt;be a fully procedural grammar with conditional expressions but the
&lt;br&gt;fully dumb declarative grammars cause a lot of needless repetition
&lt;br&gt;that doesn't very well capture the abstractions that are self-evident
&lt;br&gt;to a human author.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway... sorry to ramble on... I just do feel those are all empirical
&lt;br&gt;tests which could be used to measure the utility of a new grammar
&lt;br&gt;especially for AR which is now effectively making video-game concepts
&lt;br&gt;mainstream... how well it maps the problem space and how easily humans
&lt;br&gt;can understand it... &amp;nbsp;aside from the more mundane expected details of
&lt;br&gt;capturing position, orientation, velocity, meta-data, relationships
&lt;br&gt;and other kinds of things that one might want to capture.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;- me
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25827244</id>
	<title>Re: [Geowanking] openARML augmented Reality Markuplanguage ~ extended KML?</title>
	<published>2009-10-09T13:12:25Z</published>
	<updated>2009-10-09T13:12:25Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Anselm Hook-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Well, how about these three tests - which I could do myself or others
&lt;br&gt;could pick up and try as well:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) To actually try show the description of a polyhedra in KML, X3D and
&lt;br&gt;GML ( and possibly CityGML and others ). What does it look like, how
&lt;br&gt;verbose is the description?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2) To actually try show the description of some simple behavior
&lt;br&gt;attached to a geometry. Say for example a script that makes an object
&lt;br&gt;respond to the presence of an observer at a location.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3) Compare the sizes of a compressed description of the above in the
&lt;br&gt;three primary grammars.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- me
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25825025</id>
	<title>Re: [Geowanking] openARML augmented Reality Markuplanguage ~ extended KML?</title>
	<published>2009-10-09T10:28:16Z</published>
	<updated>2009-10-09T10:28:16Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Carl Reed</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Should be an interesting discussion!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would also add that many government organizations and private sector 
&lt;br&gt;companies provide geospatial content as GML application schemas. I would 
&lt;br&gt;encourage the group to consider developments in Europe for sharing (and 
&lt;br&gt;visualizing) 3d urban models using an application schema of GML called 
&lt;br&gt;CityGML. The German community especially is looking at CityGML and its role 
&lt;br&gt;in the AR domain. From a standards perspective, the sharing and 
&lt;br&gt;visualization of geo content for AR applications is multi faceted. Both 
&lt;br&gt;CityGML and KML may have roles in AR. Further, if there are location 
&lt;br&gt;elements to be added to an AR &amp;quot;language&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;grammar&amp;quot;, I would really 
&lt;br&gt;encourage that community to be consistent with ISO 19107, which the 
&lt;br&gt;foundation abstract model for spatial schemas/geometry used by GML, GeoRSS, 
&lt;br&gt;KML (yes, geometry in KML is consistent with 19107), OGC Simple Features, 
&lt;br&gt;and so forth.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just a thought :-)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, as a standards geek I shudder when I hear &amp;quot;custom extensions&amp;quot;.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regards
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Carl
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&lt;br&gt;From: &amp;quot;Anselm Hook&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25825025&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;anselm@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
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&lt;br&gt;Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:16 AM
&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: [georss] [Geowanking] openARML augmented Reality Markuplanguage 
&lt;br&gt;~ extended KML?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Many companies and organizations have their geo data already available in
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; KML. Therefore it makes perfect sense to base the AR data on KML and 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; enrich
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; it with custom extensions.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ahhahahahaahaha.... ha... hahaha....... ha. &amp;nbsp;sob.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; me
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25824848</id>
	<title>Re: [Geowanking] openARML augmented Reality Markup language ~ extended KML?</title>
	<published>2009-10-09T10:16:20Z</published>
	<updated>2009-10-09T10:16:20Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Anselm Hook-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&amp;gt; Many companies and organizations have their geo data already available in
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; KML. Therefore it makes perfect sense to base the AR data on KML and enrich
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; it with custom extensions.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ahhahahahaahaha.... ha... hahaha....... ha. &amp;nbsp;sob.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;me
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25821896</id>
	<title>Re: [Geojson] openARML augmented Reality Markup language ~ extended KML?</title>
	<published>2009-10-09T07:11:30Z</published>
	<updated>2009-10-09T07:11:30Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Mike Liebhold</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I've been granted a guest role by the AR Consortium to contribute to the 
&lt;br&gt;open ARML process. Here is my first post to their, so far, closed forum:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;---
&lt;br&gt;I wish creation of an ARML would be easy by simply adopting a KML 
&lt;br&gt;framework. I'm afraid this approach is strictly limited, and needs a 
&lt;br&gt;broader perspective. KML is a reasonable starting place for discussion, 
&lt;br&gt;but there are many dimensions of the ARML design requirement that go 
&lt;br&gt;well beyond the KML framework. Here are some first principles I suggest 
&lt;br&gt;we resolve in setting the specifications for a Universal ARML:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* A Universal ARML will support both fundamental kinds of AR requiring 
&lt;br&gt;semantic frameworks be harmonized: 1. Image Triggered and 2. Location Based.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* A universal ARML will support many image trigger types, and many 
&lt;br&gt;coordinate systems.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* A Universal ARML is a description of what happens on the focal plane 
&lt;br&gt;of the view, including user interface conventions, and rendering rules.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* A Universal ARML is a description of the properties of a specific 
&lt;br&gt;object or place, including data type, decoding and rendering 
&lt;br&gt;requirements and resources
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* A Universal ARML will support local media types produced by many 
&lt;br&gt;applications domains including 2D Web, 3D web, web maps, GIS, CAD, 3D 
&lt;br&gt;game and virtual worlds
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* A Universal ARML will support local rendering rules and coordinate 
&lt;br&gt;systems for specific places and objects e.g. html, CAD objects and 
&lt;br&gt;spaces, video, rendered graphics game objects, etc.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* a Universal ARML will be a harmonized and interoperable semantic 
&lt;br&gt;framework with adjacent semantic domains within overlapping computing 
&lt;br&gt;and media domains, e.g. web, CAD, mapping, games, virtual worlds, etc.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* a Universal ARML will support secure transactions and data exchange
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* a Universal ARML will support sensors and sensor networks
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* etc.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We are planning an AR Devcamp here in the San Francisco Bay Area, now 
&lt;br&gt;perhaps in November to explore these issues. In the meantime I will post 
&lt;br&gt;some follow up thoughts here on how we can organize to support these 
&lt;br&gt;principles.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think it's important to realize that AR is not really a discrete 
&lt;br&gt;medium, it is the intersection of many media, So an ARML process, needs 
&lt;br&gt;to be inclusive, rather than exclusive. So, this private forum is a good 
&lt;br&gt;place to starting the process, ultimately a broad and deep interaction 
&lt;br&gt;with outside communities will be required to fullfill the Augmented 
&lt;br&gt;Reality vision.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers-
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mike Liebhold
&lt;br&gt;Institute for the Future
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&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;---
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mike Liebhold wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; H'mmm.... Since no-one here is directly engaged with these people, I'm 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; wondering how to channel experienced contributions to this process... &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I've tried, but have been rebuffed. Was told that &amp;nbsp;data interchange is 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; too &amp;quot;researchy&amp;quot; for the &amp;quot; AR industry&amp;quot; And here they are running off, 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; missing some pretty important issues.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Talking to ourselves about this is somewhat silly. &amp;nbsp;Somehow the key 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; players need to be &amp;nbsp;engaged here. Mobilzy - the proponents of this 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; inititive are already shovelling in 2d KML into their service, 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; oblivious of some of the issues we've thrashed to death here re, CRSs, 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; epsg pointers etc....
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; See: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.openarml.org/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.openarml.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Workgroup:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Markus Tripp, Mobilizy GmbH
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Robert Rice, Neogence Enterprise
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot; Since mid 2009 companies started to develop augmented reality (AR) 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; applications for the latest generation of smart phones (iPhone, 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Android, ...). Many of those applications overlay the phone's cam view 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; with interesting location aware data. Such information can be points 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; of interest from travel or tourist services or real time data for 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; instance from Twitter.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; There is already a standard available to describe geo data. KML is an 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; open standard officially named the OpenGIS KML Encoding Standard (OGC 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; KML). It is maintained by the Open Geospatial Consortium, Inc. (OGC). 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The complete specification for OGC KML can be found at 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/kml/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/kml/&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Many companies and organizations have their geo data already available 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; in KML. Therefore it makes perfect sense to base the AR data on KML 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; and enrich it with custom extensions.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The basic idea behind this specification is that data that is prepared 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; using this specification can be viewed on augmented reality browsers 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; like Wikitude but also in Google Earth. Augmented reality browsers can 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; include an open URL dialog where the user can enter an URL pointing to 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; a valid ARML document. For instance such a document can contain all 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; affiliates of a company. People can easily bookmark those URLs.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Augmented reality (AR) specific data is defined in an own KML 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; extension namespace.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Examples
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Very Simple ARML Document
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The simplest ARML documents are just plain KML. Any ARML compliant 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; browser must support these documents. Only the elements &amp;lt;kml&amp;gt;, 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;Document&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;Placemark&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;name&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;description&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;Point&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; are required.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; simple.kml:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; view source
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; print?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 01.&amp;lt;?xml version=&amp;quot;1.0&amp;quot; encoding=&amp;quot;UTF-8&amp;quot;?&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 02.&amp;lt;kml xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 03. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Document&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;04. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Placemark id=&amp;quot;153630&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 05. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;name&amp;gt;Getreidegasse&amp;lt;/name&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 06. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;description&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 07. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Getreidegasse (also known as Grain Lane) is a busy 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; shopping street in the Old Town section of Salzburg.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 08. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;The house at no. 9 Getreidegasse is where the famed 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was born and lived ...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 09. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/description&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 10. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Point id=&amp;quot;153630&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 11. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt;13.048056,47.797222,432.0&amp;lt;/coordinates&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 12. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 13. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Placemark&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 14. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Document&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 15.&amp;lt;/kml&amp;gt; &amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; [snip] &amp;nbsp;. . .
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25774907</id>
	<title>Re: openARML augmented Reality Markup language ~ extended KML?</title>
	<published>2009-10-06T12:09:53Z</published>
	<updated>2009-10-06T12:09:53Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Carl Reed</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Thought this might be interesting.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://social.thewherebusiness.com/content/commercial-reality-ar&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://social.thewherebusiness.com/content/commercial-reality-ar&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Carl
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;----- Original Message ----- 
&lt;br&gt;From: &amp;quot;Mike Liebhold&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25774907&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mnl@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
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&lt;br&gt;Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:29 PM
&lt;br&gt;Subject: [georss] openARML augmented Reality Markup language ~ extended KML?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; H'mmm.... Since no-one here is directly engaged with these people, I'm
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; wondering how to channel experienced contributions to this process...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I've tried, but have been rebuffed. Was told that &amp;nbsp;data interchange is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; too &amp;quot;researchy&amp;quot; for the &amp;quot; AR industry&amp;quot; And here they are running off,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; missing some pretty important issues.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Talking to ourselves about this is somewhat silly. &amp;nbsp;Somehow the key
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; players need to be &amp;nbsp;engaged here. Mobilzy - the proponents of this
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; inititive are already shovelling in 2d KML into their service, oblivious
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; of some of the issues we've thrashed to death here re, CRSs, epsg
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; pointers etc....
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; See: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.openarml.org/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.openarml.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Workgroup:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Markus Tripp, Mobilizy GmbH
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Robert Rice, Neogence Enterprise
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot; Since mid 2009 companies started to develop augmented reality (AR)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; applications for the latest generation of smart phones (iPhone, Android,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ...). Many of those applications overlay the phone's cam view with
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; interesting location aware data. Such information can be points of
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; interest from travel or tourist services or real time data for instance
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; from Twitter.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; There is already a standard available to describe geo data. KML is an
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; open standard officially named the OpenGIS KML Encoding Standard (OGC
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; KML). It is maintained by the Open Geospatial Consortium, Inc. (OGC).
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The complete specification for OGC KML can be found at
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/kml/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/kml/&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Many companies and organizations have their geo data already available
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; in KML. Therefore it makes perfect sense to base the AR data on KML and
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; enrich it with custom extensions.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The basic idea behind this specification is that data that is prepared
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; using this specification can be viewed on augmented reality browsers
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; like Wikitude but also in Google Earth. Augmented reality browsers can
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; include an open URL dialog where the user can enter an URL pointing to a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; valid ARML document. For instance such a document can contain all
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; affiliates of a company. People can easily bookmark those URLs.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Augmented reality (AR) specific data is defined in an own KML extension
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; namespace.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Examples
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Very Simple ARML Document
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The simplest ARML documents are just plain KML. Any ARML compliant
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; browser must support these documents. Only the elements &amp;lt;kml&amp;gt;,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;Document&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;Placemark&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;name&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;description&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;Point&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; are required.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; simple.kml:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; view source
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; print?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 01.&amp;lt;?xml version=&amp;quot;1.0&amp;quot; encoding=&amp;quot;UTF-8&amp;quot;?&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 02.&amp;lt;kml xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 03. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Document&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 04. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Placemark id=&amp;quot;153630&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 05. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;name&amp;gt;Getreidegasse&amp;lt;/name&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 06. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;description&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 07. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Getreidegasse (also known as Grain Lane) is a busy
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; shopping street in the Old Town section of Salzburg.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 08. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;The house at no. 9 Getreidegasse is where the famed
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was born and lived ...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 09. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/description&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 10. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Point id=&amp;quot;153630&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 11. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt;13.048056,47.797222,432.0&amp;lt;/coordinates&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 12. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 13. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Placemark&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 14. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Document&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 15.&amp;lt;/kml&amp;gt; &amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25567757</id>
	<title>openARML augmented Reality Markup language ~ extended KML?</title>
	<published>2009-09-22T14:29:10Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-22T14:29:10Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Mike Liebhold</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">H'mmm.... Since no-one here is directly engaged with these people, I'm 
&lt;br&gt;wondering how to channel experienced contributions to this process... &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;I've tried, but have been rebuffed. Was told that &amp;nbsp;data interchange is 
&lt;br&gt;too &amp;quot;researchy&amp;quot; for the &amp;quot; AR industry&amp;quot; And here they are running off, 
&lt;br&gt;missing some pretty important issues.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Talking to ourselves about this is somewhat silly. &amp;nbsp;Somehow the key 
&lt;br&gt;players need to be &amp;nbsp;engaged here. Mobilzy - the proponents of this 
&lt;br&gt;inititive are already shovelling in 2d KML into their service, oblivious 
&lt;br&gt;of some of the issues we've thrashed to death here re, CRSs, epsg 
&lt;br&gt;pointers etc....
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;See: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.openarml.org/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.openarml.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;Workgroup:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; Markus Tripp, Mobilizy GmbH
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; Robert Rice, Neogence Enterprise
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;quot; Since mid 2009 companies started to develop augmented reality (AR) 
&lt;br&gt;applications for the latest generation of smart phones (iPhone, Android, 
&lt;br&gt;...). Many of those applications overlay the phone's cam view with 
&lt;br&gt;interesting location aware data. Such information can be points of 
&lt;br&gt;interest from travel or tourist services or real time data for instance 
&lt;br&gt;from Twitter.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is already a standard available to describe geo data. KML is an 
&lt;br&gt;open standard officially named the OpenGIS KML Encoding Standard (OGC 
&lt;br&gt;KML). It is maintained by the Open Geospatial Consortium, Inc. (OGC). 
&lt;br&gt;The complete specification for OGC KML can be found at 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/kml/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/kml/&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Many companies and organizations have their geo data already available 
&lt;br&gt;in KML. Therefore it makes perfect sense to base the AR data on KML and 
&lt;br&gt;enrich it with custom extensions.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The basic idea behind this specification is that data that is prepared 
&lt;br&gt;using this specification can be viewed on augmented reality browsers 
&lt;br&gt;like Wikitude but also in Google Earth. Augmented reality browsers can 
&lt;br&gt;include an open URL dialog where the user can enter an URL pointing to a 
&lt;br&gt;valid ARML document. For instance such a document can contain all 
&lt;br&gt;affiliates of a company. People can easily bookmark those URLs.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Augmented reality (AR) specific data is defined in an own KML extension 
&lt;br&gt;namespace.
&lt;br&gt;Examples
&lt;br&gt;Very Simple ARML Document
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The simplest ARML documents are just plain KML. Any ARML compliant 
&lt;br&gt;browser must support these documents. Only the elements &amp;lt;kml&amp;gt;, 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;Document&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;Placemark&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;name&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;description&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;Point&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;are required.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;simple.kml:
&lt;br&gt;view source
&lt;br&gt;print?
&lt;br&gt;01.&amp;lt;?xml version=&amp;quot;1.0&amp;quot; encoding=&amp;quot;UTF-8&amp;quot;?&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;02.&amp;lt;kml xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;03. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Document&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;04. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Placemark id=&amp;quot;153630&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;05. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;name&amp;gt;Getreidegasse&amp;lt;/name&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;06. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;description&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;07. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Getreidegasse (also known as Grain Lane) is a busy 
&lt;br&gt;shopping street in the Old Town section of Salzburg.
&lt;br&gt;08. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;The house at no. 9 Getreidegasse is where the famed 
&lt;br&gt;Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was born and lived ...
&lt;br&gt;09. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/description&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;10. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Point id=&amp;quot;153630&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;11. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt;13.048056,47.797222,432.0&amp;lt;/coordinates&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;12. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;13. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Placemark&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;14. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Document&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;15.&amp;lt;/kml&amp;gt; &amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;[snip] &amp;nbsp;. . .
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25380072</id>
	<title>Re: Yet another flavor of GeoRSS?</title>
	<published>2009-09-10T02:26:07Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-10T02:26:07Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Sean Gillies-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Carl,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The premise of GeoRSS + Atom (in my mind, at least) is that we can &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;apply &amp;quot;feature&amp;quot; semantics to resources like an Atom entry that exist &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;only on the web, and &amp;quot;feature collection&amp;quot; semantics likewise to Atom &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;feeds.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the architecture of the web, semantics are conveyed by links, not &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;by formal schemas. If I write
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;link rel=&amp;quot;search&amp;quot; href=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://sgillies.net/blog/find&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://sgillies.net/blog/find&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;This is how an HTML processor knows (in theory) that &lt;a href=&quot;http://sgillies.net/blog/find&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://sgillies.net/blog/find&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; has &amp;quot;search&amp;quot; semantics. We're not practicing this yet for GeoRSS, &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;but I have been trying to promote the practice with a &amp;quot;where&amp;quot; link &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;relation. Something like
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;link rel=&amp;quot;where&amp;quot; href=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://example.com/geo/feed&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://example.com/geo/feed&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;could tell Atom processors that feature collection semantics should be &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;applied to the feed.
&lt;br&gt;Cheers,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Sep 9, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Carl Reed wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I concur -
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Just some additional input to consider: GML is grounded in the &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; abstract model ISO 19107 spatial schema (as well as other ISO &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; standards) and has the abstraction &amp;quot;feature&amp;quot;. GML defines features &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; distinct from geometry objects. A feature is an application object &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; that represents a physical entity. Geometry is a property of a &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; feature. While GeoRSS does not explicitly utilize &amp;quot;feature&amp;quot;, KML has &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; no concept of &amp;quot;feature&amp;quot; (I suspect some would argue this . . .). KML &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; is a grammar for expressing geographic annotation and visualization &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; in Earth Browser apps. As such, remember that GML and KML evolved &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; from a different set of requirements and use cases. Hence, stating &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;equivalence&amp;quot; can be difficult at best.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Regards
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Carl
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ----- Original Message ----- From: &amp;quot;Barry Hunter&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25380072&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;barry@...&lt;/a&gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; To: &amp;quot;Sean Gillies&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25380072&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sean.gillies@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Cc: &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25380072&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:51 AM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: [georss] Yet another flavor of GeoRSS?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Expecting RSS parsers to also be able to parse KML content and use &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; GeoData as it would a more standard GeoRSS feed just seems wrong to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; me.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; So I say no that not really a 'flavor' of GeoRSS, but just KML
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; encapsulated in a RSS feed, and should be treated differently.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On 09/09/2009, Sean Gillies &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25380072&amp;i=3&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sean.gillies@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I'm having a discussion in an OpenLayers ticket about whether users
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; ought to be able to expect the following two feeds to be treated
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; equivalently:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 1) Atom feed with GeoRSS location metadata:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;feed
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;xmlns:georss=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.georss.org/georss&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.georss.org/georss&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;xmlns:gml=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/gml&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/gml&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;/&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;summary&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/summary&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;gml:pos&amp;gt;0.0 51.0&amp;lt;/gml:pos&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 2) Google Maps Data API feature feed:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;feed xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;content type=&amp;quot;application/vnd.google-earth.kml+xml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Placemark xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;name&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/name&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;description&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/description&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt;51.0,0.0,0.0&amp;lt;/coordinates&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Placemark&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/content&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Thoughts?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; --
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sean
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25379600</id>
	<title>Re: Yet another flavor of GeoRSS?</title>
	<published>2009-09-10T01:49:28Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-10T01:49:28Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Sean Gillies-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I agree, Peter, and it would be nice to see georss:where elements in &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;the Google feature feeds. I think there's inevitable dissonance when &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;syndicating XML-based geographic data. As Andrew said, it's like &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;embedding OOXML chapters in an ODF book.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for the comments, everyone.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers,
&lt;br&gt;Sean
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Sep 9, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Rushforth, Peter wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi Sean,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I don't think they are the same thing, although perhaps the effect
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; should be the same.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; In my view, the georss is metadata about the content, whereas the &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; KML is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the content.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The gdata feed is just one organization's implementation of content.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Other organizations
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; are going to have different content, geospatial or otherwise. &amp;nbsp;The
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; georss should
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; be at a conceptual level above content, allowing any content to be
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; mapped/located.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Then an individual organization can implement how to handle their own
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; content appropriately, based
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; on the mime type.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; My $0.02
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Cheers,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Peter
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; -----Original Message-----
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sent: September 9, 2009 8:00 AM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; To: GeoRss &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25379600&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Subject: [georss] Yet another flavor of GeoRSS?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I'm having a discussion in an OpenLayers ticket about whether
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; users ought to be able to expect the following two feeds to be &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; treated
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; equivalently:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 1) Atom feed with GeoRSS location metadata:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;feed
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;xmlns:georss=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.georss.org/georss&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.georss.org/georss&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;xmlns:gml=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/gml&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/gml&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;/&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;summary&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/summary&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;gml:pos&amp;gt;0.0 51.0&amp;lt;/gml:pos&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 2) Google Maps Data API feature feed:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;feed xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;content type=&amp;quot;application/vnd.google-earth.kml+xml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Placemark xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;name&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/name&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;description&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/description&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt;51.0,0.0,0.0&amp;lt;/coordinates&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Placemark&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/content&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Thoughts?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; --
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sean
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25370423</id>
	<title>Re: simple 3D geocode for AR</title>
	<published>2009-09-09T11:07:08Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-09T11:07:08Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Mike Liebhold</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Stefan Keller wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;From what I realized there is X3D (inc. a geocoding service spec.?)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; and there is for sure also an OGC spec. or discussion paper around for
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; geocoding (OpenLS, Geocoder, WPS profile?).
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Aren't they enough? Are there more existing standards around? Do you,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Mike, suggest to propose an own spec.?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; . 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;Interesting that aside from these lists, there is no other forum for 
&lt;br&gt;augmented reality practitioners to debate the relative merits of these &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;(beyond the twitter #AR hashtag search channel, which is quite 
&lt;br&gt;inadequate to sort through the tradeoffs. )And it's a bit odd to me that 
&lt;br&gt;so few people here are even experimenting, on what is clearly a major 
&lt;br&gt;new usage model for creating and viewing geo information.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The core problem is that some AR guys are either rolling their own data 
&lt;br&gt;formats, simply shovelling 2D KML information into their apps, although 
&lt;br&gt;a few are using &amp;nbsp;X3D. It's not clear if any of these will gain enough 
&lt;br&gt;traction to inspire web-wide adoption. So, As far as I can see, no one 
&lt;br&gt;is yet thinking very deeply yet, of AR as a web-like medium.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We'll clearly need to launch some discussions on these issues at the 
&lt;br&gt;upcoming geoAR camp we are starting to organize here in the SF bay area 
&lt;br&gt;sometime in October. &amp;nbsp; Stay tuned for time and place. We've got a venue 
&lt;br&gt;that will support 50 attendees, but we optimistically hoping for more. 
&lt;br&gt;and so are talking to people at Stanford University, and elsewhere.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If anyone wants to jump in to help with the meeting, &amp;nbsp;please join us. 
&lt;br&gt;Gene Becker has kindly set up a wiki here;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://geoAR.org&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://geoAR.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hope enough geo types show-up to help developing some consensus 
&lt;br&gt;directions for coding location based AR.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;~Mike Liebhold
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 2009/8/28 David Colleen &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25370423&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dcolleen@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Hi Mike
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; This is easy in X3D (web3d.org). Geo-referencing support is native to X3D
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; and one of the reasons that it is the foundation of CityGML.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; BTW... Fraunhofer should have their iPhone X3D viewer out shortly. I would
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; expect Java based Android clients out soon as well.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; David Colleen
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Planet 9
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; A friend wrote me with a request for clarification on a topic we've
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; discussed many times here, &amp;nbsp;but every time we've approached a consensus
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; the answer seems elusive.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Many devleopers are starting to create applications for iPhones and
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Android phones to view location specific data &amp;nbsp;through the viewfinder
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; using the -imprecise- capabilities of the built in gps and compass and
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; applications platforms like Layar.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The question:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; What is the -simplest- way to geocode a geoannotation in 3D using
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; geoRSS/Atom, geojson, KML ....?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; (Is there a practical reason why WGS '84 shouldn't be implicit, and a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; CRS &amp;nbsp;lookup NOT be required?)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25368799</id>
	<title>Re: Yet another flavor of GeoRSS?</title>
	<published>2009-09-09T09:36:31Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-09T09:36:31Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Carl Reed</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I concur -
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just some additional input to consider: GML is grounded in the abstract 
&lt;br&gt;model ISO 19107 spatial schema (as well as other ISO standards) and has the 
&lt;br&gt;abstraction &amp;quot;feature&amp;quot;. GML defines features distinct from geometry objects. 
&lt;br&gt;A feature is an application object that represents a physical entity. 
&lt;br&gt;Geometry is a property of a feature. While GeoRSS does not explicitly 
&lt;br&gt;utilize &amp;quot;feature&amp;quot;, KML has no concept of &amp;quot;feature&amp;quot; (I suspect some would 
&lt;br&gt;argue this . . .). KML is a grammar for expressing geographic annotation and 
&lt;br&gt;visualization in Earth Browser apps. As such, remember that GML and KML 
&lt;br&gt;evolved from a different set of requirements and use cases. Hence, stating 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;equivalence&amp;quot; can be difficult at best.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regards
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Carl
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;----- Original Message ----- 
&lt;br&gt;From: &amp;quot;Barry Hunter&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25368799&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;barry@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;To: &amp;quot;Sean Gillies&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25368799&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sean.gillies@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
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&lt;br&gt;Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:51 AM
&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: [georss] Yet another flavor of GeoRSS?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Expecting RSS parsers to also be able to parse KML content and use the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; GeoData as it would a more standard GeoRSS feed just seems wrong to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; me.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; So I say no that not really a 'flavor' of GeoRSS, but just KML
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; encapsulated in a RSS feed, and should be treated differently.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; On 09/09/2009, Sean Gillies &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25368799&amp;i=3&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sean.gillies@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I'm having a discussion in an OpenLayers ticket about whether users
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;ought to be able to expect the following two feeds to be treated
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;equivalently:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;1) Atom feed with GeoRSS location metadata:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;feed
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; xmlns:georss=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.georss.org/georss&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.georss.org/georss&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; xmlns:gml=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/gml&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/gml&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;summary&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/summary&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;gml:pos&amp;gt;0.0 51.0&amp;lt;/gml:pos&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;2) Google Maps Data API feature feed:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;feed xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;content type=&amp;quot;application/vnd.google-earth.kml+xml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;Placemark xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;name&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/name&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;description&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/description&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt;51.0,0.0,0.0&amp;lt;/coordinates&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/Placemark&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/content&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;Thoughts?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;--
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;Sean
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25365466</id>
	<title>Re: Yet another flavor of GeoRSS?</title>
	<published>2009-09-09T06:51:40Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-09T06:51:40Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Barry Hunter</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Expecting RSS parsers to also be able to parse KML content and use the
&lt;br&gt;GeoData as it would a more standard GeoRSS feed just seems wrong to
&lt;br&gt;me.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So I say no that not really a 'flavor' of GeoRSS, but just KML
&lt;br&gt;encapsulated in a RSS feed, and should be treated differently.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On 09/09/2009, Sean Gillies &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25365466&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sean.gillies@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'm having a discussion in an OpenLayers ticket about whether users
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;ought to be able to expect the following two feeds to be treated
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;equivalently:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;1) Atom feed with GeoRSS location metadata:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;feed
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; xmlns:georss=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.georss.org/georss&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.georss.org/georss&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; xmlns:gml=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/gml&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/gml&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;summary&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/summary&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;gml:pos&amp;gt;0.0 51.0&amp;lt;/gml:pos&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;2) Google Maps Data API feature feed:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;feed xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;content type=&amp;quot;application/vnd.google-earth.kml+xml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;Placemark xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;name&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/name&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;description&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/description&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt;51.0,0.0,0.0&amp;lt;/coordinates&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/Placemark&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/content&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;Thoughts?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;--
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;Sean
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;_______________________________________________
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25365271</id>
	<title>Re: Yet another flavor of GeoRSS?</title>
	<published>2009-09-09T06:25:14Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-09T06:25:14Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Rushforth, Peter-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi Sean,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don't think they are the same thing, although perhaps the effect
&lt;br&gt;should be the same. &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;In my view, the georss is metadata about the content, whereas the KML is
&lt;br&gt;the content.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The gdata feed is just one organization's implementation of content.
&lt;br&gt;Other organizations
&lt;br&gt;are going to have different content, geospatial or otherwise. &amp;nbsp;The
&lt;br&gt;georss should
&lt;br&gt;be at a conceptual level above content, allowing any content to be
&lt;br&gt;mapped/located.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then an individual organization can implement how to handle their own
&lt;br&gt;content appropriately, based
&lt;br&gt;on the mime type.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My $0.02 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers,
&lt;br&gt;Peter 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; -----Original Message-----
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; From: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25365271&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss-bounces@...&lt;/a&gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; [mailto:&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25365271&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss-bounces@...&lt;/a&gt;] On Behalf Of Sean Gillies
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Sent: September 9, 2009 8:00 AM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; To: GeoRss &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25365271&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Subject: [georss] Yet another flavor of GeoRSS?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'm having a discussion in an OpenLayers ticket about whether 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; users ought to be able to expect the following two feeds to be treated
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; equivalently:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 1) Atom feed with GeoRSS location metadata:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;feed
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; xmlns:georss=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.georss.org/georss&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.georss.org/georss&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; xmlns:gml=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/gml&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/gml&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;summary&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/summary&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;gml:pos&amp;gt;0.0 51.0&amp;lt;/gml:pos&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 2) Google Maps Data API feature feed:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;feed xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;content type=&amp;quot;application/vnd.google-earth.kml+xml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;Placemark xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;name&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/name&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;description&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/description&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt;51.0,0.0,0.0&amp;lt;/coordinates&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/Placemark&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/content&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thoughts?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; --
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Sean
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25364694</id>
	<title>Re: Yet another flavor of GeoRSS?</title>
	<published>2009-09-09T06:10:50Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-09T06:10:50Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Marten Hogeweg</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">There are likely also differences to be expected in the expressiveness of georss and placemark geometries. Meaning that this specific example may be equivalent, but in general that may not be the case.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Marten
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sent from my Windows Mobile® phone.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-----Original Message-----
&lt;br&gt;From: Pat Cappelaere &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25364694&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pat@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:20 AM
&lt;br&gt;To: Sean Gillies &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25364694&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sean.gillies@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;Cc: GeoRss &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25364694&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss@...&lt;/a&gt; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25364694&amp;i=3&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: [georss] Yet another flavor of GeoRSS?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don't think so.
&lt;br&gt;You need to specify a new namespace for the Atom extension (georss).
&lt;br&gt;Now, the difference between pos and coordinates tags is beyond me.
&lt;br&gt;Pat.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:00 AM, Sean Gillies wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'm having a discussion in an OpenLayers ticket about whether users
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ought to be able to expect the following two feeds to be treated
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; equivalently:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 1) Atom feed with GeoRSS location metadata:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;feed
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;xmlns:georss=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.georss.org/georss&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.georss.org/georss&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;xmlns:gml=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/gml&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/gml&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;/&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;summary&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/summary&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;gml:pos&amp;gt;0.0 51.0&amp;lt;/gml:pos&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 2) Google Maps Data API feature feed:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;feed xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;content type=&amp;quot;application/vnd.google-earth.kml+xml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Placemark xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;name&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/name&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;description&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/description&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt;51.0,0.0,0.0&amp;lt;/coordinates&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Placemark&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/content&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thoughts?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; --
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Sean
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25363814</id>
	<title>Re: Yet another flavor of GeoRSS?</title>
	<published>2009-09-09T05:19:30Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-09T05:19:30Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Pat Cappelaere</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Don't think so.
&lt;br&gt;You need to specify a new namespace for the Atom extension (georss).
&lt;br&gt;Now, the difference between pos and coordinates tags is beyond me.
&lt;br&gt;Pat.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:00 AM, Sean Gillies wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'm having a discussion in an OpenLayers ticket about whether users
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ought to be able to expect the following two feeds to be treated
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; equivalently:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 1) Atom feed with GeoRSS location metadata:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;feed
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;xmlns:georss=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.georss.org/georss&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.georss.org/georss&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;xmlns:gml=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/gml&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/gml&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;/&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;summary&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/summary&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;gml:pos&amp;gt;0.0 51.0&amp;lt;/gml:pos&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 2) Google Maps Data API feature feed:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;feed xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;content type=&amp;quot;application/vnd.google-earth.kml+xml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Placemark xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;name&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/name&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;description&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/description&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt;51.0,0.0,0.0&amp;lt;/coordinates&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/Placemark&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/content&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thoughts?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; --
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Sean
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25363720</id>
	<title>Re: Yet another flavor of GeoRSS?</title>
	<published>2009-09-09T05:13:26Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-09T05:13:26Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Shoaib Burq-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I think so. Title/Summary in Atom and Name/Description in KML are
&lt;br&gt;designed to serve the same purpose.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Sean Gillies&amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25363720&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sean.gillies@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'm having a discussion in an OpenLayers ticket about whether users
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ought to be able to expect the following two feeds to be treated
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; equivalently:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 1) Atom feed with GeoRSS location metadata:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;  &amp;lt;feed
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;    xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;    xmlns:georss=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.georss.org/georss&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.georss.org/georss&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;    xmlns:gml=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/gml&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/gml&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;    /&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;    &amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;      &amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;      &amp;lt;summary&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/summary&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;      &amp;lt;georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;        &amp;lt;gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;          &amp;lt;gml:pos&amp;gt;0.0 51.0&amp;lt;/gml:pos&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;        &amp;lt;/gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;      &amp;lt;/georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;    &amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;  &amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 2) Google Maps Data API feature feed:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;  &amp;lt;feed xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;    &amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;      &amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;      &amp;lt;content type=&amp;quot;application/vnd.google-earth.kml+xml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;        &amp;lt;Placemark xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;          &amp;lt;name&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/name&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;          &amp;lt;description&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/description&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;          &amp;lt;Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;            &amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt;51.0,0.0,0.0&amp;lt;/coordinates&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;          &amp;lt;/Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;        &amp;lt;/Placemark&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;      &amp;lt;/content&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;    &amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;  &amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thoughts?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; --
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Sean
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25363495</id>
	<title>Yet another flavor of GeoRSS?</title>
	<published>2009-09-09T05:00:26Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-09T05:00:26Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Sean Gillies-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I'm having a discussion in an OpenLayers ticket about whether users &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;ought to be able to expect the following two feeds to be treated &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;equivalently:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) Atom feed with GeoRSS location metadata:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;feed
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; xmlns:georss=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.georss.org/georss&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.georss.org/georss&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; xmlns:gml=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/gml&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/gml&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;summary&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/summary&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;gml:pos&amp;gt;0.0 51.0&amp;lt;/gml:pos&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/gml:Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/georss:where&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2) Google Maps Data API feature feed:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;feed xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;title&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;content type=&amp;quot;application/vnd.google-earth.kml+xml&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;Placemark xmlns=&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;name&amp;gt;Foo&amp;lt;/name&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;description&amp;gt;Yet another item about Foo&amp;lt;/description&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt;51.0,0.0,0.0&amp;lt;/coordinates&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/Placemark&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/content&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/entry&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/feed&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thoughts?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--
&lt;br&gt;Sean
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;_______________________________________________
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25363468</id>
	<title>GeoRSS in Twitter API</title>
	<published>2009-09-09T04:58:08Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-09T04:58:08Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Sean Gillies-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Details:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/browse_thread/thread/c1fd5f79cb6e62b5#&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/browse_thread/thread/c1fd5f79cb6e62b5#&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Twitter will enclose georss:point in a &amp;quot;geo&amp;quot; element. I think that's a &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;good practice (better than naked geoms), but wonder why not &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;georss:where? Why shouldn't georss:where be able to contain simple &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;geometry elements?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--
&lt;br&gt;Sean
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;_______________________________________________
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25246434</id>
	<title>Re: [Geowanking]  [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR</title>
	<published>2009-09-01T12:35:22Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-01T12:35:22Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>chris goad-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&amp;gt; It is not a question of just
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; differencing - since we will in fact know the local coordinates much
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; more accurately than the coordinates of the position of the object
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; relative to the earth.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, as Anselm mentioned, &amp;nbsp;another hugely &amp;nbsp;important case for AR is 
&lt;br&gt;multiple instancing. &amp;nbsp;The notion of &amp;nbsp;&amp;quot;global coordinates&amp;quot; of the features of 
&lt;br&gt;a manufactured item that has many instances makes no sense.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And an observation: For moving objects, &amp;nbsp;the underlying reason that local 
&lt;br&gt;representation is sensible is that the local coordinates of features are the 
&lt;br&gt;invariant facts - facts that will remain true over indeterminate motions in 
&lt;br&gt;the future, unlike global coordinates however well known at any particular 
&lt;br&gt;time.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- Chris
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;----- Original Message ----- 
&lt;br&gt;From: &amp;quot;Ron Lake&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25246434&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rlake@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;To: &amp;quot;Christian Willmes&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25246434&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;c.willmes@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;Cc: &amp;quot;geojson&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25246434&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geojson@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25246434&amp;i=3&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;GeoRSS&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25246434&amp;i=4&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:05 PM
&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: [georss] [Geowanking] [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; If precision, convenience are of no interest than yes a (x,y,z)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Geocentric CRS will work - but differences in typical large scale
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; applications will be very small. &amp;nbsp;If your application recognizes (e.g.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; image processing) some object in the environment - it would be normal to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; specify things relative to the object (e.g. labels, measures on the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; object etc) and these are more sensibly expressed in a local coordinate
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; system (typically rectilinear) - you may not know the accurate location
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; of the object itself (nor its orientation) - but you only care about its
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; approximate location (e.g. via GPS) and then the more precise location
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; of things relative to the object. &amp;nbsp;It is not a question of just
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; differencing - since we will in fact know the local coordinates much
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; more accurately than the coordinates of the position of the object
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; relative to the earth.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; R
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; -----Original Message-----
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; From: Christian Willmes [mailto:&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25246434&amp;i=5&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;c.willmes@...&lt;/a&gt;]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Sent: September 1, 2009 11:50 AM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; To: Ron Lake
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Cc: geojson; &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25246434&amp;i=6&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;; GeoRSS
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: [Geowanking] [georss] [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Christian Willmes schrieb:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; every single (not moving) point on earth
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; sorry, I don't know why I wrote that... You can surely also model moving
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; objects in a Geocentric Spatial Reference Frame...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; _______________________________________________
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25246016</id>
	<title>Re: [Geowanking]  [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR</title>
	<published>2009-09-01T12:05:17Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-01T12:05:17Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Ron Lake</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">If precision, convenience are of no interest than yes a (x,y,z)
&lt;br&gt;Geocentric CRS will work - but differences in typical large scale
&lt;br&gt;applications will be very small. &amp;nbsp;If your application recognizes (e.g.
&lt;br&gt;image processing) some object in the environment - it would be normal to
&lt;br&gt;specify things relative to the object (e.g. labels, measures on the
&lt;br&gt;object etc) and these are more sensibly expressed in a local coordinate
&lt;br&gt;system (typically rectilinear) - you may not know the accurate location
&lt;br&gt;of the object itself (nor its orientation) - but you only care about its
&lt;br&gt;approximate location (e.g. via GPS) and then the more precise location
&lt;br&gt;of things relative to the object. &amp;nbsp;It is not a question of just
&lt;br&gt;differencing - since we will in fact know the local coordinates much
&lt;br&gt;more accurately than the coordinates of the position of the object
&lt;br&gt;relative to the earth.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;R
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-----Original Message-----
&lt;br&gt;From: Christian Willmes [mailto:&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25246016&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;c.willmes@...&lt;/a&gt;] 
&lt;br&gt;Sent: September 1, 2009 11:50 AM
&lt;br&gt;To: Ron Lake
&lt;br&gt;Cc: geojson; &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25246016&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;; GeoRSS
&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: [Geowanking] [georss] [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Christian Willmes schrieb:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; every single (not moving) point on earth
&lt;br&gt;sorry, I don't know why I wrote that... You can surely also model moving
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;objects in a Geocentric Spatial Reference Frame...
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	<title>Re: [Geowanking]  [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR</title>
	<published>2009-09-01T09:43:42Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-01T09:43:42Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Ron Lake</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">You will need other local coordinate systems.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;R
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-----Original Message-----
&lt;br&gt;From: Mike Liebhold [mailto:&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243808&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mnl@...&lt;/a&gt;] 
&lt;br&gt;Sent: August 31, 2009 5:13 PM
&lt;br&gt;To: Chris Goad
&lt;br&gt;Cc: Christian Willmes; Ron Lake; geojson; &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243808&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;;
&lt;br&gt;GeoRSS
&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: [Geowanking] [georss] [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;H'mm. all great thoughts, mostly about camera focal planes grids, 
&lt;br&gt;pattern matching and spatial query formulations,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I'm still thinking more about &amp;nbsp;the geocoded media, created for AR.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How will these sometimes sometimes huge, often, very small, data chunks
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;describe their precise 3D postion, for -- maximum discovery-- &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;by &amp;nbsp;the maximum number of crawlers, for yet to be invented fossgeo ar 
&lt;br&gt;clients , .com &amp;nbsp;ar clients like layar and mobilzy, and 1000 more to 
&lt;br&gt;follow shortly, &amp;nbsp;3D map clients like google earth and bing [cringe], VR 
&lt;br&gt;worlds, mmorpgs, the whole web, etc.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe it's just a URI including lat.lon.elev....crs... ?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;now wondering if the location semantics in the URI could be as plain 
&lt;br&gt;language simple as a delicious, facebook or twitter URL.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Chris Goad wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; There is a substantive issue here to do with local coordinate 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; systems. &amp;nbsp;When representing the features of a particular object it is 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; sometimes useful to employ coordinates local to that object, and 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; represent separately the position of the object in the world or 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; relative to its parent in a heirarchy. Reasons: The &amp;nbsp;coordinates of 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; features relative to the object may be known more accurately than 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; global position of the object, and an AR device's relative position to
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the object might also be known with greater precision than its global 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; position. &amp;nbsp;The object may not have a fixed position (eg AR on board a 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ship). The representation is more compact.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 3d modeling formalisms support this (and full GML does too), but &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; GeoRSS, GeoJSON, and KML do not. This is probably an argument for 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; going to represententations &amp;nbsp;built for 3d in the first place for AR 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; applications where local coordinates play a necessary role, but 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; concievably there is a niche for our lightweight geo standards 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; extended &amp;nbsp;by addition of a transformation node.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; -- Chris
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ----- Original Message ----- From: &amp;quot;Christian Willmes&amp;quot; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243808&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;c.willmes@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; To: &amp;quot;Mike Liebhold&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243808&amp;i=3&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mnl@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Cc: &amp;quot;Ron Lake&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243808&amp;i=4&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rlake@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;; &amp;quot;geojson&amp;quot; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243808&amp;i=5&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geojson@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243808&amp;i=6&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;; &amp;quot;GeoRSS&amp;quot; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243808&amp;i=7&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:00 PM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: [Geowanking] [georss] [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Hi,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; whats the problem here? Its simple coordiante transformation stuff...
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; or do I miss something?!
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The device gets the geocoordinates from the web, and computes those 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; using its own position and orientation to local camera
&lt;br&gt;coordinates....
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; its that simple... I think. ;-)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; regards,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Christian
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Mike Liebhold schrieb:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ron Lake wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The most logical coordinate
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; system for locating such items is a rectilinear coordinate system 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; (x-y-z
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; frame) centered (origin) at the focal point of the camera.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; What's the use case?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; In most cases, we probably can assume that the geo-annotations exist
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; independent of the viewpoint; e.g. a viewer should be able to see 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; the note attached to a restaurant from any perspective as they pass 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; on a sidewalk, or drive by.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; In that case, we need absolute coordinates, not relative to the 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; camera perspective.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; imho
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Mike
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Cheers
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ron
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; -----Original Message-----
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; From: Mike Liebhold [mailto:&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243808&amp;i=8&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mnl@...&lt;/a&gt;] Sent: August 28, 2009 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 2:05 PM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; To: Ron Lake
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Cc: Joshua Lieberman; &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243808&amp;i=9&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;; geojson; GeoRSS
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: [georss] [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ron Lake wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The use of geographic coordinates for [location of things in the 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; field
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; of view relative to the camera] likely does not. [ make sense]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ron,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; This is really counter intuitive, Can you explain what you mean?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; - Mike
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; -----Original Message-----
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; From: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243808&amp;i=10&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss-bounces@...&lt;/a&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;Lieberman
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sent: August 28, 2009 11:03 AM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; To: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243808&amp;i=12&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Cc: geojson; GeoRSS
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: [georss] [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; In both GeoRSS GML and GeoJSON, some explicit CRS needs to be 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; specified to use 3-coordinate locations. The simplest one for 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; GeoRSS seems to be epsg:4979 ( urn:ogc:def:crs:EPSG:4979 ). It 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; would need a slight modification to support the GeoJSON long-lat 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; encoding. Otherwise use GeoRSS Simple and the elev property.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; e.g.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;georss:elev&amp;gt;346&amp;lt;/georss:elev&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;georss:point&amp;gt;42.3234 -173.234134&amp;lt;/georss:point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Well-known text description of 4979
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/4979/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/4979/&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; GEOGCS[&amp;quot;WGS 84&amp;quot;, DATUM[&amp;quot;World Geodetic System 1984&amp;quot;, SPHEROID[&amp;quot;WGS
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 84&amp;quot;,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 6378137.0,298.257223563, AUTHORITY[&amp;quot;EPSG&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;7030&amp;quot;]], 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; AUTHORITY[&amp;quot;EPSG&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;6326&amp;quot;]], PRIMEM[&amp;quot;Greenwich&amp;quot;,0.0, 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; AUTHORITY[&amp;quot;EPSG&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;8901&amp;quot;]], UNIT[&amp;quot;degree&amp;quot;,0.017453292519943295], 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; AXIS[&amp;quot;Geodetic latitude&amp;quot;,NORTH], AXIS[&amp;quot;Geodetic longitude&amp;quot;,EAST], 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; AXIS[&amp;quot;Ellipsoidal height&amp;quot;,UP], AUTHORITY[&amp;quot;EPSG&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;4979&amp;quot;]]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Josh
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Ron Lake wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sorry my example should have been
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;Point id = &amp;quot;P1&amp;quot; CRS = &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blah.bla/standardCRS.xml&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.blah.bla/standardCRS.xml&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt;100 200 150&amp;lt;/coordinates&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;/Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; But the argument is the same. Similar encodings can be made in
&lt;/div&gt;JSON
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; etc.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; R
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; -----Original Message-----
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; From: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243808&amp;i=13&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss-bounces@...&lt;/a&gt;
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&lt;br&gt;Turner
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sent: August 28, 2009 9:57 AM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; To: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243808&amp;i=15&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;; GeoRSS; geojson
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Simplest?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Just include a 3rd coordinate in GeoRSS-Simple point or GeoJSON
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; point.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; No, this is not explicitly valid. But you see where that
&lt;br&gt;discussion
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; gets us. Long windy roads of elusive semantic talk (arguably
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; necessary
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; in the lon term, but not simple or useable *now*, which is when
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; people
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; are building these tools).
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; If we lose interest without achieving a near term concensus,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; developers will just do arbitrary, different solutions. Give them
&lt;br&gt;a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; simple answer now, even if it makes your
&lt;br&gt;strict-validation-only-skin
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; crawl just a little bit. :)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; So I say just do it, and we'll catch up with documenting it as
&lt;br&gt;uses
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; emerge.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Also, KML already supports 3D points.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Andrew
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; (via mobile)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Mike Liebhold &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243808&amp;i=16&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mnl@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; A friend wrote me with a request for clarification on a topic
&lt;/div&gt;we've
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; discussed many times here, but every time we've approached a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; consensus the answer seems elusive.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Many devleopers are starting to create applications for iPhones
&lt;br&gt;and
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Android phones to view location specific data through the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; viewfinder using the -imprecise- capabilities of the built in
&lt;br&gt;gps
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; and compass and applications platforms like Layar.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The question:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; What is the -simplest- way to geocode a geoannotation in 3D
&lt;br&gt;using
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; geoRSS/Atom, geojson, KML ....?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; (Is there a practical reason why WGS '84 shouldn't be implicit,
&lt;br&gt;and
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; a CRS lookup NOT be required?)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25243276</id>
	<title>Re: [Geowanking]  [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR</title>
	<published>2009-09-01T08:58:19Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-01T08:58:19Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Carl Reed</name>
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&lt;DIV&gt;Anselm -&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;Interesting comment WRT GML. GML is grounded in&amp;nbsp;various ISO TC 211 
documents, such as 19107 (spatial schema). GML is an XML grammar for 
encoding/modeling geospatial content and is not meant to be a rendering 
language. Anyway, GML supports the ability to define multiple CRS (including 
local/engineering) and the transforms/conversions associated with them. All GML 
CS and CRS elements&amp;nbsp;are based on ISO 19111, spatial referencing by 
coordinates.&lt;/DIV&gt;
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&lt;DIV&gt;Regards&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Carl&lt;/DIV&gt;
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  &lt;DIV style=&quot;FONT: 10pt arial&quot;&gt;&lt;B&gt;Subject:&lt;/B&gt; Re: [georss] [Geowanking] 
  [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR&lt;/DIV&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&amp;gt; Chris Goad writes : &lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; 3d modeling formalisms 
  support this (and full GML does too), but &amp;nbsp;GeoRSS, GeoJSON, and KML do 
  not. This is probably an argument for going to represententations &amp;nbsp;built 
  for 3d in the first place for AR applications where local coordinates play a 
  necessary role, but concievably there is a niche for our lightweight geo 
  standards extended &amp;nbsp;by addition of a transformation node.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I 
  concur. It's convenient to have an idea of a local coordinate system. I've 
  always been slightly surprised by how the GML community ignored the work of 
  the VRML community. Convenience concepts such as transform nodes, multiple 
  instancing of geometry and behavior nodes make expressing ideas more 
  succinct.&lt;BR&gt;
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25243275</id>
	<title>Re: [Geowanking]  [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR</title>
	<published>2009-09-01T08:48:49Z</published>
	<updated>2009-09-01T08:48:49Z</updated>
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		<name>Carl Reed</name>
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	<content type="html">Mike et. al.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since URIs are mentioned, perhaps you might want to check out a document I 
&lt;br&gt;have been helping with: &amp;nbsp;A Uniform Resource Identifier for Geographic 
&lt;br&gt;Locations. The URL to this document is: 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-geopriv-geo-uri-02.txt&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-geopriv-geo-uri-02.txt&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This document is well on its way to becoming an internet RFC (standard)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regards
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Carl
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;----- Original Message ----- 
&lt;br&gt;From: &amp;quot;Mike Liebhold&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mnl@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;To: &amp;quot;Chris Goad&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chris@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;Cc: &amp;quot;Christian Willmes&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;c.willmes@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;; &amp;quot;geojson&amp;quot; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=3&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geojson@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=4&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;; &amp;quot;GeoRSS&amp;quot; 
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&lt;br&gt;Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 6:55 PM
&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: [georss] [Geowanking] [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Mike Liebhold wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;wondering if the location semantics in the URI could be as plain
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; language simple
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; also wondering, how much about rendering, viewing, and pov should be
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; included in a uri.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; probably none.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; ?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Chris Goad wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; There is a substantive issue here to do with local coordinate
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; systems. &amp;nbsp;When representing the features of a particular object it is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; sometimes useful to employ coordinates local to that object, and
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; represent separately the position of the object in the world or
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; relative to its parent in a heirarchy. Reasons: The &amp;nbsp;coordinates of
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; features relative to the object may be known more accurately than
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; global position of the object, and an AR device's relative position
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; to the object might also be known with greater precision than its
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; global position. &amp;nbsp;The object may not have a fixed position (eg AR on
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; board a ship). The representation is more compact.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 3d modeling formalisms support this (and full GML does too), but
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; GeoRSS, GeoJSON, and KML do not. This is probably an argument for
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; going to represententations &amp;nbsp;built for 3d in the first place for AR
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; applications where local coordinates play a necessary role, but
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; concievably there is a niche for our lightweight geo standards
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; extended &amp;nbsp;by addition of a transformation node.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; -- Chris
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; ----- Original Message ----- From: &amp;quot;Christian Willmes&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=6&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;c.willmes@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; To: &amp;quot;Mike Liebhold&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=7&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mnl@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Cc: &amp;quot;Ron Lake&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=8&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rlake@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;; &amp;quot;geojson&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=9&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geojson@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=10&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;; &amp;quot;GeoRSS&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=11&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:00 PM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: [Geowanking] [georss] [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Hi,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; whats the problem here? Its simple coordiante transformation
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; stuff... or do I miss something?!
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The device gets the geocoordinates from the web, and computes those
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; using its own position and orientation to local camera coordinates....
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; its that simple... I think. ;-)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; regards,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Christian
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Mike Liebhold schrieb:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ron Lake wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The most logical coordinate
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; system for locating such items is a rectilinear coordinate system
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; (x-y-z
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; frame) centered (origin) at the focal point of the camera.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; What's the use case?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; In most cases, we probably can assume that the geo-annotations
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; exist independent of the viewpoint; e.g. a viewer should be able to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; see the note attached to a restaurant from any perspective as they
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; pass on a sidewalk, or drive by.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; In that case, we need absolute coordinates, not relative to the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; camera perspective.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; imho
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Mike
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Cheers
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ron
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; -----Original Message-----
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; From: Mike Liebhold [mailto:&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=12&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mnl@...&lt;/a&gt;] Sent: August 28, 2009
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 2:05 PM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; To: Ron Lake
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Cc: Joshua Lieberman; &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=13&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;; geojson; GeoRSS
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: [georss] [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ron Lake wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The use of geographic coordinates for [location of things in the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; field
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; of view relative to the camera] likely does not. [ make sense]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ron,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; This is really counter intuitive, Can you explain what you mean?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; - Mike
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; -----Original Message-----
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; From: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=14&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss-bounces@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; [mailto:&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=15&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss-bounces@...&lt;/a&gt;] On Behalf Of Joshua
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Lieberman
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sent: August 28, 2009 11:03 AM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; To: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=16&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Cc: geojson; GeoRSS
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: [georss] [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; In both GeoRSS GML and GeoJSON, some explicit CRS needs to be
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; specified to use 3-coordinate locations. The simplest one for
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; GeoRSS seems to be epsg:4979 ( urn:ogc:def:crs:EPSG:4979 ). It
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; would need a slight modification to support the GeoJSON long-lat
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; encoding. Otherwise use GeoRSS Simple and the elev property.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; e.g.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;georss:elev&amp;gt;346&amp;lt;/georss:elev&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;georss:point&amp;gt;42.3234 -173.234134&amp;lt;/georss:point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Well-known text description of 4979
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/4979/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/4979/&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; GEOGCS[&amp;quot;WGS 84&amp;quot;, DATUM[&amp;quot;World Geodetic System 1984&amp;quot;, SPHEROID[&amp;quot;WGS
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 84&amp;quot;,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 6378137.0,298.257223563, AUTHORITY[&amp;quot;EPSG&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;7030&amp;quot;]],
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; AUTHORITY[&amp;quot;EPSG&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;6326&amp;quot;]], PRIMEM[&amp;quot;Greenwich&amp;quot;,0.0,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; AUTHORITY[&amp;quot;EPSG&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;8901&amp;quot;]], UNIT[&amp;quot;degree&amp;quot;,0.017453292519943295],
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; AXIS[&amp;quot;Geodetic latitude&amp;quot;,NORTH], AXIS[&amp;quot;Geodetic longitude&amp;quot;,EAST],
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; AXIS[&amp;quot;Ellipsoidal height&amp;quot;,UP], AUTHORITY[&amp;quot;EPSG&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;4979&amp;quot;]]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Josh
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Ron Lake wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sorry my example should have been
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;Point id = &amp;quot;P1&amp;quot; CRS = &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blah.bla/standardCRS.xml&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.blah.bla/standardCRS.xml&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt;100 200 150&amp;lt;/coordinates&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;/Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; But the argument is the same. Similar encodings can be made in JSON
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; etc.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; R
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; -----Original Message-----
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; From: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=17&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss-bounces@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; [mailto:&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=18&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss-bounces@...&lt;/a&gt;] On Behalf Of Andrew Turner
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sent: August 28, 2009 9:57 AM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; To: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=19&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;; GeoRSS; geojson
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: [georss] [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Simplest?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Just include a 3rd coordinate in GeoRSS-Simple point or GeoJSON
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; point.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; No, this is not explicitly valid. But you see where that discussion
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; gets us. Long windy roads of elusive semantic talk (arguably
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; necessary
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; in the lon term, but not simple or useable *now*, which is when
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; people
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; are building these tools).
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; If we lose interest without achieving a near term concensus,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; developers will just do arbitrary, different solutions. Give them a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; simple answer now, even if it makes your
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; strict-validation-only-skin
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; crawl just a little bit. :)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; So I say just do it, and we'll catch up with documenting it as uses
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; emerge.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Also, KML already supports 3D points.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Andrew
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; (via mobile)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Mike Liebhold &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25243275&amp;i=20&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mnl@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; A friend wrote me with a request for clarification on a topic
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; we've
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; discussed many times here, but every time we've approached a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; consensus the answer seems elusive.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Many devleopers are starting to create applications for iPhones
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; and
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Android phones to view location specific data through the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; viewfinder using the -imprecise- capabilities of the built in gps
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; and compass and applications platforms like Layar.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The question:
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; What is the -simplest- way to geocode a geoannotation in 3D using
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; geoRSS/Atom, geojson, KML ....?
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; a CRS lookup NOT be required?)
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25234266</id>
	<title>Re: [Geowanking]  [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR</title>
	<published>2009-08-31T21:47:08Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-31T21:47:08Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Mike Liebhold</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Sorry Chris, my previous posts tonight &amp;nbsp;were in response to Ron Lake's 
&lt;br&gt;and others posts about relative coordinate systems.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I re-read your comments and see your suggestion of a local coordinate 
&lt;br&gt;system is &amp;nbsp;kinda what I was seeking. ( thoughts about URI semantics are 
&lt;br&gt;a digression)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anselm Hook wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Chris Goad writes :
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; 3d modeling formalisms support this (and full GML does too), but 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;GeoRSS, GeoJSON, and KML do not. This is probably an argument for 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; going to represententations &amp;nbsp;built for 3d in the first place for AR 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; applications where local coordinates play a necessary role, but 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; concievably there is a niche for our lightweight geo standards 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; extended &amp;nbsp;by addition of a transformation node.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I concur. It's convenient to have an idea of a local coordinate 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; system. I've always been slightly surprised by how the GML community 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ignored the work of the VRML community. Convenience concepts such as 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; transform nodes, multiple instancing of geometry and behavior nodes 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; make expressing ideas more succinct.
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25233591</id>
	<title>Re: [Geowanking]  [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR</title>
	<published>2009-08-31T19:47:51Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-31T19:47:51Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Anselm Hook-2</name>
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	<content type="html">&amp;gt; Chris Goad writes : &lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 3d modeling formalisms support this (and full GML does too), but  GeoRSS, GeoJSON, and KML do not. This is probably an argument for going to represententations  built for 3d in the first place for AR applications where local coordinates play a necessary role, but concievably there is a niche for our lightweight geo standards extended  by addition of a transformation node.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;I concur. It&amp;#39;s convenient to have an idea of a local coordinate system. I&amp;#39;ve always been slightly surprised by how the GML community ignored the work of the VRML community. Convenience concepts such as transform nodes, multiple instancing of geometry and behavior nodes make expressing ideas more succinct.&lt;br&gt;

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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-25232766</id>
	<title>Re: [Geowanking]  [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR</title>
	<published>2009-08-31T17:55:50Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-31T17:55:50Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Mike Liebhold</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Mike Liebhold wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;wondering if the location semantics in the URI could be as plain 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; language simple
&lt;br&gt;also wondering, how much about rendering, viewing, and pov should be 
&lt;br&gt;included in a uri.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;probably none.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Chris Goad wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; There is a substantive issue here to do with local coordinate 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; systems. &amp;nbsp;When representing the features of a particular object it is 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; sometimes useful to employ coordinates local to that object, and 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; represent separately the position of the object in the world or 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; relative to its parent in a heirarchy. Reasons: The &amp;nbsp;coordinates of 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; features relative to the object may be known more accurately than 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; global position of the object, and an AR device's relative position 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; to the object might also be known with greater precision than its 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; global position. &amp;nbsp;The object may not have a fixed position (eg AR on 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; board a ship). The representation is more compact.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 3d modeling formalisms support this (and full GML does too), but &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; GeoRSS, GeoJSON, and KML do not. This is probably an argument for 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; going to represententations &amp;nbsp;built for 3d in the first place for AR 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; applications where local coordinates play a necessary role, but 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; concievably there is a niche for our lightweight geo standards 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; extended &amp;nbsp;by addition of a transformation node.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; -- Chris
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; ----- Original Message ----- From: &amp;quot;Christian Willmes&amp;quot; 
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: [Geowanking] [georss] [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Hi,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; whats the problem here? Its simple coordiante transformation 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; stuff... or do I miss something?!
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The device gets the geocoordinates from the web, and computes those 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; using its own position and orientation to local camera coordinates....
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; its that simple... I think. ;-)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; regards,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Christian
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Mike Liebhold schrieb:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ron Lake wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The most logical coordinate
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; system for locating such items is a rectilinear coordinate system 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; (x-y-z
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; frame) centered (origin) at the focal point of the camera.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; What's the use case?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; In most cases, we probably can assume that the geo-annotations 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; exist independent of the viewpoint; e.g. a viewer should be able to 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; see the note attached to a restaurant from any perspective as they 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; pass on a sidewalk, or drive by.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; In that case, we need absolute coordinates, not relative to the 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; camera perspective.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; imho
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Mike
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Cheers
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ron
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; -----Original Message-----
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; From: Mike Liebhold [mailto:&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25232766&amp;i=6&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mnl@...&lt;/a&gt;] Sent: August 28, 2009 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 2:05 PM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; To: Ron Lake
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Cc: Joshua Lieberman; &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25232766&amp;i=7&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;; geojson; GeoRSS
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: [georss] [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ron Lake wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The use of geographic coordinates for [location of things in the 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; field
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; of view relative to the camera] likely does not. [ make sense]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ron,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; This is really counter intuitive, Can you explain what you mean?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; - Mike
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; -----Original Message-----
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; From: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25232766&amp;i=8&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss-bounces@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; [mailto:&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25232766&amp;i=9&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss-bounces@...&lt;/a&gt;] On Behalf Of Joshua 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Lieberman
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sent: August 28, 2009 11:03 AM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; To: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25232766&amp;i=10&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Cc: geojson; GeoRSS
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: [georss] [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; In both GeoRSS GML and GeoJSON, some explicit CRS needs to be 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; specified to use 3-coordinate locations. The simplest one for 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; GeoRSS seems to be epsg:4979 ( urn:ogc:def:crs:EPSG:4979 ). It 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; would need a slight modification to support the GeoJSON long-lat 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; encoding. Otherwise use GeoRSS Simple and the elev property.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; e.g.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;georss:elev&amp;gt;346&amp;lt;/georss:elev&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;georss:point&amp;gt;42.3234 -173.234134&amp;lt;/georss:point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Well-known text description of 4979
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/4979/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/4979/&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; GEOGCS[&amp;quot;WGS 84&amp;quot;, DATUM[&amp;quot;World Geodetic System 1984&amp;quot;, SPHEROID[&amp;quot;WGS
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 84&amp;quot;,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 6378137.0,298.257223563, AUTHORITY[&amp;quot;EPSG&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;7030&amp;quot;]], 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; AUTHORITY[&amp;quot;EPSG&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;6326&amp;quot;]], PRIMEM[&amp;quot;Greenwich&amp;quot;,0.0, 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; AUTHORITY[&amp;quot;EPSG&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;8901&amp;quot;]], UNIT[&amp;quot;degree&amp;quot;,0.017453292519943295], 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; AXIS[&amp;quot;Geodetic latitude&amp;quot;,NORTH], AXIS[&amp;quot;Geodetic longitude&amp;quot;,EAST], 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; AXIS[&amp;quot;Ellipsoidal height&amp;quot;,UP], AUTHORITY[&amp;quot;EPSG&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;4979&amp;quot;]]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Josh
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Ron Lake wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sorry my example should have been
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;Point id = &amp;quot;P1&amp;quot; CRS = &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blah.bla/standardCRS.xml&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.blah.bla/standardCRS.xml&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;coordinates&amp;gt;100 200 150&amp;lt;/coordinates&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;/Point&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; But the argument is the same. Similar encodings can be made in JSON
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; etc.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; R
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; -----Original Message-----
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; From: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25232766&amp;i=11&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss-bounces@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; [mailto:&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25232766&amp;i=12&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;georss-bounces@...&lt;/a&gt;] On Behalf Of Andrew Turner
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sent: August 28, 2009 9:57 AM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; To: &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25232766&amp;i=13&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;geowanking@...&lt;/a&gt;; GeoRSS; geojson
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: [georss] [Geojson] simple 3D geocode for AR
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Simplest?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Just include a 3rd coordinate in GeoRSS-Simple point or GeoJSON
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; point.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; No, this is not explicitly valid. But you see where that discussion
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; gets us. Long windy roads of elusive semantic talk (arguably
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; necessary
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; in the lon term, but not simple or useable *now*, which is when
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; people
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; are building these tools).
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; If we lose interest without achieving a near term concensus,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; developers will just do arbitrary, different solutions. Give them a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; simple answer now, even if it makes your 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; strict-validation-only-skin
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; crawl just a little bit. :)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; So I say just do it, and we'll catch up with documenting it as uses
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; emerge.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Also, KML already supports 3D points.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Andrew
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
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&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; (via mobile)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Mike Liebhold &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=25232766&amp;i=14&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mnl@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; A friend wrote me with a request for clarification on a topic 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; we've
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; discussed many times here, but every time we've approached a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; consensus the answer seems elusive.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Many devleopers are starting to create applications for iPhones 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; and
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Android phones to view location specific data through the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; viewfinder using the -imprecise- capabilities of the built in gps
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; and compass and applications platforms like Layar.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The question:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; What is the -simplest- way to geocode a geoannotation in 3D using
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; geoRSS/Atom, geojson, KML ....?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; (Is there a practical reason why WGS '84 shouldn't be implicit, 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; and
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; a CRS lookup NOT be required?)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
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