epicycle of Moon -- where is zero?

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epicycle of Moon -- where is zero?

by Irv Bromberg :: Rate this Message:

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Dear Calendarists:

In the Ptolemaic model of lunar motion there is an epicycle upon which Moon revolves at nearly the same rate that the center of the epicycle revolves around Earth.

Was the epicycle considered to be going counterclockwise or clockwise, as viewed from the north?
(The mean lunar orbit goes counterclockwise as viewed from the north.)

It seems possible to closely approximate the nearly elliptical motion of Moon, with an appropriately advancing perigee, using an epicycle going in either direction.

When quoting an angle for the position of Moon upon that epicycle, where is the zero degrees point of origin?


-- Irv Bromberg, Toronto, Canada


Re: epicycle of Moon -- where is zero?

by Tom Peters-6 :: Rate this Message:

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Op 4-mei-2009, om 19:13 heeft Irv Bromberg het volgende geschreven:

> Dear Calendarists:
>
> In the Ptolemaic model of lunar motion there is an epicycle upon  
> which Moon revolves at nearly the same rate that the center of the  
> epicycle revolves around Earth.
>
> Was the epicycle considered to be going counterclockwise or  
> clockwise, as viewed from the north?
> (The mean lunar orbit goes counterclockwise as viewed from the north.)
>
> It seems possible to closely approximate the nearly elliptical  
> motion of Moon, with an appropriately advancing perigee, using an  
> epicycle going in either direction.
>
> When quoting an angle for the position of Moon upon that epicycle,  
> where is the zero degrees point of origin?

Ptolemy's model for the Moon's motion was actually more complex.  If  
I understand correctly, there was an eccentric circle moving  
counterclockwise, on which an epicycle moved clockwise, on which the  
Moon moved counter-clockwise ("moving in advance over its apogee  
arc").  Almagest V.2 through V.6; Ptolemy treats the derivation of  
the direction of the Moon's mean apogee in V.5 , but I can't identify  
the value of the parameter you are asking for.

Maybe ask Rob van gent, who occasionally is on this list or otherwise  
on HASTRO-L: he implemented the Almagest in computer programs.

--
Tom Peters