finally... a press page!

[Jos Poortvliet-4]

Hi all!

So. It's been almost 2 years now, that I've been talking about making a press
page on kde.org - finally, I got to trow the stuff I wrote over the course of
the last year online ;-)

Have a look. I'm sure it is pretty far from complete and might need major
changes (after all, I wrote it 1.5 years ago, just added a little bit. And the
first part of the 'writing about KDE' page was contributed by Troy for the KDE
4.0 release event).

If you have svn and php fu, please feel free to edit ;-)

Cheers,

Jos

What, where is it? http://www.kde.org/presspage/ of course! Not linked from
front page, first because I have no idea how to do that (me and php...) and
second because it's far from ready.


 
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Hello,

Looking good as a page :)

I don't have any svn fu but I do do PHP - taking a look at the websvn (just
very, very briefly so if I'm wrong don't shoot me :)) and I think this is the
file you want if you want to link it from the front page navigation:

http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/www/sites/www/menu.inc?view=markup&pathrev=976847

Adding it should be self explanatory.

On Thursday 22 October 2009 20:08:34 Jos Poortvliet wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> So. It's been almost 2 years now, that I've been talking about making a
>  press page on kde.org - finally, I got to trow the stuff I wrote over the
>  course of the last year online ;-)
>
> Have a look. I'm sure it is pretty far from complete and might need major
> changes (after all, I wrote it 1.5 years ago, just added a little bit. And
>  the first part of the 'writing about KDE' page was contributed by Troy for
>  the KDE 4.0 release event).
>
> If you have svn and php fu, please feel free to edit ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jos
>
> What, where is it? http://www.kde.org/presspage/ of course! Not linked from
> front page, first because I have no idea how to do that (me and php...) and
> second because it's far from ready.
>

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[Troy Unrau]

You're hired.

2009/10/22 Dion Moult <dion@...>:

> Hello,
>
> Looking good as a page :)
>
> I don't have any svn fu but I do do PHP - taking a look at the websvn (just
> very, very briefly so if I'm wrong don't shoot me :)) and I think this is the
> file you want if you want to link it from the front page navigation:
>
> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/www/sites/www/menu.inc?view=markup&pathrev=976847
>
> Adding it should be self explanatory.
>
> On Thursday 22 October 2009 20:08:34 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
>> Hi all!
>>
>> So. It's been almost 2 years now, that I've been talking about making a
>>  press page on kde.org - finally, I got to trow the stuff I wrote over the
>>  course of the last year online ;-)
>>
>> Have a look. I'm sure it is pretty far from complete and might need major
>> changes (after all, I wrote it 1.5 years ago, just added a little bit. And
>>  the first part of the 'writing about KDE' page was contributed by Troy for
>>  the KDE 4.0 release event).
>>
>> If you have svn and php fu, please feel free to edit ;-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jos
>>
>> What, where is it? http://www.kde.org/presspage/ of course! Not linked from
>> front page, first because I have no idea how to do that (me and php...) and
>> second because it's far from ready.
>>
> --
> Dion Moult :-)
>
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On Thursday 22 October 2009 14:08:34 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
>
> What, where is it? http://www.kde.org/presspage/ of course! Not linked from
> front page, first because I have no idea how to do that (me and php...) and
> second because it's far from ready.

Great page.

I think I would reverse the order in the general information section, so that
KDE comes first.

Facts & Numbers are an interesting topic. Two comments:
- Gigabytes of data downloaded are actually not that impressive.
- How do you measure the size of free software communities?

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[Jos Poortvliet-4]

On Saturday 24 October 2009 00:41:11 Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> On Thursday 22 October 2009 14:08:34 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > What, where is it? http://www.kde.org/presspage/ of course! Not linked
> > from front page, first because I have no idea how to do that (me and
> > php...) and second because it's far from ready.
>
> Great page.
>
> I think I would reverse the order in the general information section, so
>  that KDE comes first.

Good point. Done.

> Facts & Numbers are an interesting topic. Two comments:
> - Gigabytes of data downloaded are actually not that impressive.

Tens to hundreds is ;-)
The latter is an exaggeration for now but at least it'll last a while :D

> - How do you measure the size of free software communities?

Various ways. I went and tried to do that a couple of months ago, using
several metrics, mostly development centric. Things like number of different
contributors/month, number of commits/month, lines of code changed/month, size
of codebase, etc. Generally the numbers paint a rather similar picture, a bit
like:

- Linux kernel. About 800-1000 contributors
- KDE. About 400-600 contributors
- Gnome. About 300-400 contributors.

(above typical statistics: straight from my head based on an impression of
various sites' numbers on this from at least 4-6 months ago. Don't dare
quoting me on it).

Most interesting finding was how small most other projects are. OpenOffice?
about 60-80 contributors! Firefox? about 50-70. Etc etc...


 
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On Saturday 24 October 2009 23:45:36 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> On Saturday 24 October 2009 00:41:11 Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
>
> > Facts & Numbers are an interesting topic. Two comments:
> > - Gigabytes of data downloaded are actually not that impressive.
>
> Tens to hundreds is ;-)
> The latter is an exaggeration for now but at least it'll last a while :D

Well, Firefox is 5 Terabytes per day, according to their download counter and
a bit of estimating, and that's only one application. Sure it's probably the
most downloaded one, but still, it's the bar.

> > - How do you measure the size of free software communities?
>
> Various ways. I went and tried to do that a couple of months ago, using
> several metrics, mostly development centric. Things like number of
> different contributors/month, number of commits/month, lines of code
> changed/month, size of codebase, etc. Generally the numbers paint a rather
> similar picture, a bit like:
>
> - Linux kernel. About 800-1000 contributors
> - KDE. About 400-600 contributors
> - Gnome. About 300-400 contributors.

What about apache, eclipse, openoffice, mozilla? I know that we are big, and I
don't want to make KDE smaller than it is. But if we talk numbers, we have to
get our numbers straight.

> Most interesting finding was how small most other projects are. OpenOffice?
> about 60-80 contributors! Firefox? about 50-70. Etc etc...

Is this small in contributors or small in contributions? 50 paid developers
might outweigh 500 non-paid ones. Or not.

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[Jos Poortvliet-4]

On Sunday 25 October 2009 02:05:00 Cornelius Schumacher wrote:

> On Saturday 24 October 2009 23:45:36 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > On Saturday 24 October 2009 00:41:11 Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> > > Facts & Numbers are an interesting topic. Two comments:
> > > - Gigabytes of data downloaded are actually not that impressive.
> >
> > Tens to hundreds is ;-)
> > The latter is an exaggeration for now but at least it'll last a while :D
>
> Well, Firefox is 5 Terabytes per day, according to their download counter
>  and a bit of estimating, and that's only one application. Sure it's
>  probably the most downloaded one, but still, it's the bar.
>
> > > - How do you measure the size of free software communities?
> >
> > Various ways. I went and tried to do that a couple of months ago, using
> > several metrics, mostly development centric. Things like number of
> > different contributors/month, number of commits/month, lines of code
> > changed/month, size of codebase, etc. Generally the numbers paint a
> > rather similar picture, a bit like:
> >
> > - Linux kernel. About 800-1000 contributors
> > - KDE. About 400-600 contributors
> > - Gnome. About 300-400 contributors.
>
> What about apache, eclipse, openoffice, mozilla? I know that we are big,
>  and I don't want to make KDE smaller than it is. But if we talk numbers,
>  we have to get our numbers straight.

Oh, I'd love hard numbers, but where/how to find them?

> > Most interesting finding was how small most other projects are.
> > OpenOffice? about 60-80 contributors! Firefox? about 50-70. Etc etc...
>
> Is this small in contributors or small in contributions? 50 paid developers
> might outweigh 500 non-paid ones. Or not.

Contributors. Sure, the 50 might be paid to work on it full time. Then again,
we all know 10 good programmers can write a better application than 10.000 bad
ones. So any number is useless ;-)


 
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On Sunday 25 October 2009 02:05:00 Cornelius Schumacher wrote:

> On Saturday 24 October 2009 23:45:36 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > On Saturday 24 October 2009 00:41:11 Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> > > Facts & Numbers are an interesting topic. Two comments:
> > > - Gigabytes of data downloaded are actually not that impressive.
> >
> > Tens to hundreds is ;-)
> > The latter is an exaggeration for now but at least it'll last a while :D
>
> Well, Firefox is 5 Terabytes per day, according to their download counter
>  and a bit of estimating, and that's only one application. Sure it's
>  probably the most downloaded one, but still, it's the bar.

I bet this is over 95% for windows installations.  KDE runs on unix systems
today and little more, and almost everybody gets KDE through their OS
distribution.

Also, we don't distribute binaries, just source code which makes us have a
much smaller target group -- like distributions for instance.

These two things together, especially the last one, will prevent us from ever
getting the big traffic that mozilla and openoffice have.
 
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[Cornelius Schumacher]

On Sunday 25 October 2009 13:30:49 Inge Wallin wrote:

> On Sunday 25 October 2009 02:05:00 Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> > On Saturday 24 October 2009 23:45:36 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > > On Saturday 24 October 2009 00:41:11 Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> > > > Facts & Numbers are an interesting topic. Two comments:
> > > > - Gigabytes of data downloaded are actually not that impressive.
> > >
> > > Tens to hundreds is ;-)
> > > The latter is an exaggeration for now but at least it'll last a while
> > > :D
> >
> > Well, Firefox is 5 Terabytes per day, according to their download counter
> >  and a bit of estimating, and that's only one application. Sure it's
> >  probably the most downloaded one, but still, it's the bar.
>
> I bet this is over 95% for windows installations.  KDE runs on unix systems
> today and little more, and almost everybody gets KDE through their OS
> distribution.

The download numbers we talk about are actually the KDE on Windows download
numbers. So it actually is comparable.

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[Cornelius Schumacher]

On Sunday 25 October 2009 04:00:26 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
>
> Oh, I'd love hard numbers, but where/how to find them?

Even just documenting where the numbers which are on the page came from, could
be helpful.

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[Jos Poortvliet-4]

On Sunday 25 October 2009 23:55:01 Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> On Sunday 25 October 2009 04:00:26 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > Oh, I'd love hard numbers, but where/how to find them?
>
> Even just documenting where the numbers which are on the page came from,
>  could be helpful.
>
Commit digest (gnome and KDE one), Ohloh, cia.vc, markmail (# of emails/day),
more like that. Don't remember exactly. The commit digests from end of last
year showed on KDE reaching up to 400 ppl contributing/week and Gnome came to
about 300/week max. Dunno what it is now, would love to see such numbers
again.

Interesting one I just found:
http://kde.mcamen.de/statistics.html

Maybe something for a future statistics article? How's the upcoming one going,
btw, Justin?

Cheers,
Jos


 
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On Monday 26 Oct 2009 12:43:24 Jos Poortvliet wrote:

> On Sunday 25 October 2009 23:55:01 Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> > On Sunday 25 October 2009 04:00:26 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > > Oh, I'd love hard numbers, but where/how to find them?
> >
> > Even just documenting where the numbers which are on the page came from,
> >  could be helpful.
>
> Commit digest (gnome and KDE one), Ohloh, cia.vc, markmail (# of
>  emails/day), more like that. Don't remember exactly. The commit digests
>  from end of last year showed on KDE reaching up to 400 ppl
>  contributing/week and Gnome came to about 300/week max. Dunno what it is
>  now, would love to see such numbers again.
>

not very webby but a footnote type thingy would be good on the presspage for
the stats saying where they come from, not sure if that was what cornelius
ment as well
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[Jos Poortvliet-4]

On Monday 26 October 2009 23:37:42 Kenny Duffus wrote:

> On Monday 26 Oct 2009 12:43:24 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > On Sunday 25 October 2009 23:55:01 Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> > > On Sunday 25 October 2009 04:00:26 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > > > Oh, I'd love hard numbers, but where/how to find them?
> > >
> > > Even just documenting where the numbers which are on the page came
> > > from, could be helpful.
> >
> > Commit digest (gnome and KDE one), Ohloh, cia.vc, markmail (# of
> >  emails/day), more like that. Don't remember exactly. The commit digests
> >  from end of last year showed on KDE reaching up to 400 ppl
> >  contributing/week and Gnome came to about 300/week max. Dunno what it is
> >  now, would love to see such numbers again.
>
> not very webby but a footnote type thingy would be good on the presspage
>  for the stats saying where they come from, not sure if that was what
>  cornelius ment as well
>

why not ;-)

 
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Hi all,

On Tuesday 27 October 2009 08:40:32 Jos Poortvliet wrote:

> On Monday 26 October 2009 23:37:42 Kenny Duffus wrote:
> > On Monday 26 Oct 2009 12:43:24 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > > On Sunday 25 October 2009 23:55:01 Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 25 October 2009 04:00:26 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > > > > Oh, I'd love hard numbers, but where/how to find them?
> > > >
> > > > Even just documenting where the numbers which are on the page came
> > > > from, could be helpful.
> > >
> > > Commit digest (gnome and KDE one), Ohloh, cia.vc, markmail (# of
> > >  emails/day), more like that. Don't remember exactly. The commit
> > > digests from end of last year showed on KDE reaching up to 400 ppl
> > >  contributing/week and Gnome came to about 300/week max. Dunno what it
> > > is now, would love to see such numbers again.
> >

6 months or so ago (before GNOME switched to git? I'm not sure what the
catalyst was) I would have broadly agreed with most of the stats, but now I'm
not really convinced: GNOME have had a huge upsurge in the number of
contributors and the amount of contributions starting around April or so.

For weekly contributors, see

http://etotheipiplusone.com/kde-weekly.txt

The recent (~6 months or so) differences between this and the number of weekly
contributors to GNOME according to http://blogs.gnome.org/commitdigest/ is
very small - definitely not enough to justify a statement like:

"KDE. About 400-600 contributors
Gnome. About 300-400 contributors."

The statistic:

"over 3500 commits (code drops) weekly"

doesn't ring true to me: this would amount to over 15000 commits per month
which, even including automated contributions from scripty (which shouldn't
be included, IMO), has never been achieved, as far as I can tell:

http://etotheipiplusone.com/kde-monthly-commits-no-scripty.txt


Best Wishes,
Si
 
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Hi again all,

Re: "We do know about 50 million school children use KDE in Brazil, for
example", I would also double-check what the status of the Big KDE Deployment
in Brazil is, especially in light of comments such as:

http://liveblue.wordpress.com/2009/10/23/kde-booth-presenter-at-latinoware-2009/#comment-339

Oh, and on a more positive note: the statistic that (on average) 20+ people
make their first commit to KDE every month is a very impressive (and
verifiable!) one, so you might want to include mention of this :)

Si.
 
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[Jos Poortvliet-4]

On Tuesday 27 October 2009 10:08:28 Simon St James wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On Tuesday 27 October 2009 08:40:32 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > On Monday 26 October 2009 23:37:42 Kenny Duffus wrote:
> > > On Monday 26 Oct 2009 12:43:24 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 25 October 2009 23:55:01 Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday 25 October 2009 04:00:26 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > > > > > Oh, I'd love hard numbers, but where/how to find them?
> > > > >
> > > > > Even just documenting where the numbers which are on the page came
> > > > > from, could be helpful.
> > > >
> > > > Commit digest (gnome and KDE one), Ohloh, cia.vc, markmail (# of
> > > >  emails/day), more like that. Don't remember exactly. The commit
> > > > digests from end of last year showed on KDE reaching up to 400 ppl
> > > >  contributing/week and Gnome came to about 300/week max. Dunno what
> > > > it is now, would love to see such numbers again.
>
> 6 months or so ago (before GNOME switched to git? I'm not sure what the
> catalyst was) I would have broadly agreed with most of the stats, but now
>  I'm not really convinced: GNOME have had a huge upsurge in the number of
>  contributors and the amount of contributions starting around April or so.

Heh, we need to move to Git, then ;-)

> For weekly contributors, see
>
> http://etotheipiplusone.com/kde-weekly.txt

Hmmm, seems our numbers are going down, theirs are going up... Besides the
number game, what will we do about that... And what would be the reason?
 
> The recent (~6 months or so) differences between this and the number of
>  weekly contributors to GNOME according to
>  http://blogs.gnome.org/commitdigest/ is very small - definitely not enough
>  to justify a statement like:
>
> "KDE. About 400-600 contributors
> Gnome. About 300-400 contributors."

I don't say that, I say the KDE community is about a third larger than the
third in line. Which of course also can't be true seeing the latest numbers
but at least is harder to refute ;-)



> The statistic:
>
> "over 3500 commits (code drops) weekly"
>
> doesn't ring true to me: this would amount to over 15000 commits per month
> which, even including automated contributions from scripty (which shouldn't
> be included, IMO), has never been achieved, as far as I can tell:
>
> http://etotheipiplusone.com/kde-monthly-commits-no-scripty.txt

Hmmm, it's taken from the last commit digest from commit-digest.org. And an
all-time high when I see your numbers ;-)
Should I lower it to 3000 or say 'up to' before 3500?

>
> Best Wishes,
> Si
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On Tuesday 27 October 2009 10:21:51 Simon St James wrote:

> Hi again all,

>

> Re: "We do know about 50 million school children use KDE in Brazil, for

> example", I would also double-check what the status of the Big KDE

> Deployment in Brazil is, especially in light of comments such as:

>

> http://liveblue.wordpress.com/2009/10/23/kde-booth-presenter-at-latinoware-

> 2009/#comment-339

>

> Oh, and on a more positive note: the statistic that (on average) 20+ people

> make their first commit to KDE every month is a very impressive (and

> verifiable!) one, so you might want to include mention of this :)

Added.

Current text:

• KDE was conceived on October 14th, 1996 with an email by Matthias Ettrich, founder of the LyX project and currently employed by Nokia
• Currently has approximately 1800 SVN Accounts used for up to 3500 commits (code drops) weekly. About 20 new developers make their first commit per month, underlining the fast growth of the KDE community.
• over 6 million lines of code (this does not include Qt, which is a major part of our infrastructure and is even larger than the KDE codebase)
• KDE is translated in over 65 languages
• millions of users around the globe. It is incredibly hard to say something concrete about the number of users for a Free Software product in general, and KDE is no exception. We do know about tens of millions of school children using KDE in Brazil, but most even large deployments we don't know about. Since KDE has been made available on Windows, we have gained many users there - tens to hundreds of gigabytes of data are downloaded from the KDE-on-windows servers on a daily basis, but again, we don't have verifiable numbers.
• By most measures the KDE community is the second largest Free Software community*. The Linux kernel development community comes in first, being about twice as big as the KDE community. The third community in line is about 2/3 the size of KDE

* 'most measures' being, amongst others, the KDE and Gnome Commit digests, Ohloh, cia.vc and markmail.

> Si.

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On Tuesday 27 October 2009 10:25:46 Jos Poortvliet wrote:

> > The recent (~6 months or so) differences between this and the number of
> >  weekly contributors to GNOME according to
> >  http://blogs.gnome.org/commitdigest/ is very small - definitely not
> > enough to justify a statement like:
> >
> > "KDE. About 400-600 contributors
> > Gnome. About 300-400 contributors."
>
> I don't say that, I say the KDE community is about a third larger than the
> third in line. Which of course also can't be true seeing the latest
>  numbers  but at least is harder to refute ;-)

Please don't mention GNOME in these stats, it looks a lot like "See, we're doing more
than them!". We're competing against Microsoft, Apple and probably soon Google.

What I'm often missing in the press is the following:

"""
KDE consists of 3 distinct parts (4 if you count the community as well):

- The <strong>KDE Development Platform</strong>: A set of high-level libraries for UI
  development and system integration, including hardware, multimedia, and others
- The <strong>KDE Workspace</strong>: A shell for a desktop, providing application
  launchers, a composited window manager an a "UI for the system". There's a separate
  shell for Netbooks coming up
- <strong>Applications</strong>: Applications using the KDE development platform.
  Those integrate well into KDE, but also run just fine on other systems (Windows,
  Mac OS, GNOME, ...), independent of the workspace used
"""

Copy this part verbatim, if you want :)
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[Jos Poortvliet-4]

On Tuesday 27 October 2009 12:22:32 Sebastian Kügler wrote:

> On Tuesday 27 October 2009 10:25:46 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > > The recent (~6 months or so) differences between this and the number of
> > >  weekly contributors to GNOME according to
> > >  http://blogs.gnome.org/commitdigest/ is very small - definitely not
> > > enough to justify a statement like:
> > >
> > > "KDE. About 400-600 contributors
> > > Gnome. About 300-400 contributors."
> >
> > I don't say that, I say the KDE community is about a third larger than
> > the third in line. Which of course also can't be true seeing the latest
> > numbers  but at least is harder to refute ;-)
>
> Please don't mention GNOME in these stats, it looks a lot like "See, we're
>  doing more than them!". We're competing against Microsoft, Apple and
>  probably soon Google.

I don't.
 

> What I'm often missing in the press is the following:
>
> """
> KDE consists of 3 distinct parts (4 if you count the community as well):
>
> - The <strong>KDE Development Platform</strong>: A set of high-level
>  libraries for UI development and system integration, including hardware,
>  multimedia, and others - The <strong>KDE Workspace</strong>: A shell for a
>  desktop, providing application launchers, a composited window manager an a
>  "UI for the system". There's a separate shell for Netbooks coming up
> - <strong>Applications</strong>: Applications using the KDE development
>  platform. Those integrate well into KDE, but also run just fine on other
>  systems (Windows, Mac OS, GNOME, ...), independent of the workspace used
> """
>
> Copy this part verbatim, if you want :)

Done, good point (although of course visiting kde.org/whatiskde should also
convey this).

I added one piece below:

It is important to make the distinction described above. An application
written on the KDE Development Platform is is independent of the KDE
Workspace, and thus can run anywhere - fitting in on a Windows, Mac or Gnome
Desktop. Likewise, the KDE Workspace has no problem with applications not
written specifically for KDE. The workspace can integrate notifications and
various other functions thanks to extensive efforts to support standardization
on the Free Desktop.



 
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[Stuart Jarvis]

On Tuesday 27 October 2009 11:22:31 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> Current text:

Sorry, I'm coming to this a bit late, which can be annoying. No SVN access so
I'll make comments below:
>
> KDE was conceived on October 14th, 1996 with an email by Matthias Ettrich,
> founder of the LyX project and currently employed by Nokia

I'd change the link texts in the webpage so it's:

link to the email, link text: email by Matthia Ettrich
link to Lyx, link text: Lyx project

(looks odd at present where the email link includes 'founder of' bit before
Lyx


> Currently has approximately 1800 SVN Accounts used for up to 3500 commits
> (code drops) weekly. About 20 new developers make their first commit per
> month, underlining the fast growth of the KDE community.

I prefer 'each' or 'every' rather than 'per' here. I can't really explain why
;-)

> over 6 million lines of code (this does not include Qt, which is a major
>  part of our infrastructure and is even larger than the KDE codebase)
> KDE is translated in over 65 languages

Make each bullet start with a capital letter I think

> millions of users around the globe. It is incredibly hard to say something
> concrete about the number of users for a Free Software product in general,
>  and KDE is no exception. We do know about tens of millions of school
>  children using KDE in Brazil, but most even large deployments we don't

most even -> even most (again, I struggle to explain why this sounds better -
I thin because the emphasis is on 'even' so that should come first0

As an aside: how do we know that we don't know about most large deployments,
if we don't know about them? Sorry :-)

>  know about. Since KDE has been made available on Windows, we have gained
>  many users there - tens to hundreds of gigabytes of data are downloaded
>  from the KDE-on-windows servers on a daily basis, but again, we don't have
>  verifiable numbers.

How about adding another bullet point saying 'Multiplatform', mention the
Windows and Mac ports and put the numbers about KDE on Windows there?

>  By most measures the KDE community is the second
>  largest Free Software community*. The Linux kernel development community
>  comes in first, being about twice as big as the KDE community. The third
>  community in line is about 2/3 the size of KDE
> * 'most measures' being, amongst others, the KDE and Gnome Commit digests,
> Ohloh, cia.vc and markmail.
>
Cheers,
stu
 
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