fixes and changes in 2.0.1_RC0.5.16

[Thomas Eckardt/eck]

Hi all,

fixed:


- filenames of reportfiles could be wrong
- complete report section (show/add/remove) changed (adapted from V1 -
maintent by Fritz)

changed :

'GreedyWhitelistAdditions','How add Greedy Senders to
Whitelist','0:none:1:envelope only|2:all senders',
  'Defines what sender addresses are added to the whitelist if a message
is considered to be from a whitelisted sender. NotGreedyWhitelist is
considered in determining if a message is from a whitelisted sender.'

MaillogTail - Loglines in separate <div> with separate scrollbar


added:

'EmailErrorsModifyNoP','Combined Spam Report and NoProcessing
Deletion','0:disabled|1:modify noprocessing|2:show noprocessing'
  'If set to \'modify noProcessing\' Spam Reports will remove addresses
from noProcessing list. If set to \'show noProcessing\' Spam Reports will
show if addresses are on noProcessing list.','Basic'


Fritz's webpage will be unmaintent for a week!!!

The download is available at:
http://assp.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/assp/assp2/assp.pl


Thomas

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[K Post]

First, holy cow!  Thanks for all of those changes in 2.0.1 rc 0.5.16.

1) Whitelisting emails are now working.  That's huge.

2) I found the issue with the embedded analyze info in the ham/spam
reports.  If "Spam and Ham Reports will trigger an additional Analyze
Report (DoAdditionalAnalyze)" is set to send a report, doesn't matter
to whom, then a report is generated AND in the ham/spam reply there's
an analysis too.  This is true in 0.5.16.

Like this:

Thank you for your not-spam report.
Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.


Subject: The message subject
Feature Matching:

Whitelist: 'externaluser@...'

Bayesian Analysis:
Bad Words:Bad Prob Good Words:Good Prob

Totals:


Spam/Ham Probabilities:


Spam Probability:
 probability 0.5000


If I set DoAdditionalAnalyze to none, then this report doesn't appear
in the reply.  I want a report to go to the sender and an analyze to
me, but i don't want the analyze in the user reply.


3) On occasion, it appears that there are duplicate whitelist status
lines like this:

webmaster@... is not on Whitelist
webmaster@... is not on Whitelist

In this example original email that address was the to and reply-to.


4) While we're on this topic, I think it would be better if in the
ham/spam report replies if we changed it so the original subject
appears in parentethis.  So instead of
Spam Report Received Original Subject
it would be
Spam Report Received (Original Subject)

It's just easier to read that way.  "Spam Report Received" is what we
have the subject configured as fyi.


5) Last, with Outlook 2007, with the report emails (and other emails
from ASSP, like rebuild reports), I'm getting "Extra line breaks in
this message were removed."  In #3 above, those two whitelist report
lines were actually on the same line.  The message that we put for
not-spam reports:

Thank you for your not-spam report.
Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.

which is on 2 lines in the editor (lines 2 and 3, with 1 being the
subject), shows as one line.

In the rebuild reports most lines start on their own line, but those
that are supposed printed on 2 lines like
Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address: Enabled
**Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the corpus!**

Which appears on 2 lines in the admin editor, but as

Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address:
Enabled **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the
corpus!**

in outlook 2007.


(ok, one more thing, unrelated)  in the rebuild log, it would be nice
when printing the corpus norm, if we indicated that, 1 is perfect,
less indicates that the corpus is ham heavy, more indicates that the
corpus is spam heavy.  between .6 and 1.4 is an acceptable range.  How
about doing something like:

Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm: 1.1248 (slightly spam heavy)
Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm: 0.9000 (slightly ham heavy)
Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm: 0.0548 (very ham heavy)  - and print
the existing warning
Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm: 1.9548 (very spam heavy)  - and print
the existing warning

I may actually have the ham/spam ratio backwards, which emphasises my
point.  Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.

Thanks for keeping these revisions coming out so frequently and for
implementing so many of my suggestions.  ASSP just keeps getting
better and better.

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[Thomas Eckardt/eck]

>Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.

No - this is a professional version !

Thomas




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First, holy cow!  Thanks for all of those changes in 2.0.1 rc 0.5.16.

1) Whitelisting emails are now working.  That's huge.

2) I found the issue with the embedded analyze info in the ham/spam
reports.  If "Spam and Ham Reports will trigger an additional Analyze
Report (DoAdditionalAnalyze)" is set to send a report, doesn't matter
to whom, then a report is generated AND in the ham/spam reply there's
an analysis too.  This is true in 0.5.16.

Like this:

Thank you for your not-spam report.
Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.


Subject: The message subject
Feature Matching:

Whitelist: 'externaluser@...'

Bayesian Analysis:
Bad Words:Bad Prob                                               Good
Words:Good Prob

Totals:


Spam/Ham Probabilities:


Spam Probability:
 probability 0.5000


If I set DoAdditionalAnalyze to none, then this report doesn't appear
in the reply.  I want a report to go to the sender and an analyze to
me, but i don't want the analyze in the user reply.


3) On occasion, it appears that there are duplicate whitelist status
lines like this:

webmaster@... is not on Whitelist
webmaster@... is not on Whitelist

In this example original email that address was the to and reply-to.


4) While we're on this topic, I think it would be better if in the
ham/spam report replies if we changed it so the original subject
appears in parentethis.  So instead of
Spam Report Received Original Subject
it would be
Spam Report Received (Original Subject)

It's just easier to read that way.  "Spam Report Received" is what we
have the subject configured as fyi.


5) Last, with Outlook 2007, with the report emails (and other emails
from ASSP, like rebuild reports), I'm getting "Extra line breaks in
this message were removed."  In #3 above, those two whitelist report
lines were actually on the same line.  The message that we put for
not-spam reports:

Thank you for your not-spam report.
Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.

which is on 2 lines in the editor (lines 2 and 3, with 1 being the
subject), shows as one line.

In the rebuild reports most lines start on their own line, but those
that are supposed printed on 2 lines like
Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address: Enabled
**Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the corpus!**

Which appears on 2 lines in the admin editor, but as

Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address:
Enabled **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the
corpus!**

in outlook 2007.


(ok, one more thing, unrelated)  in the rebuild log, it would be nice
when printing the corpus norm, if we indicated that, 1 is perfect,
less indicates that the corpus is ham heavy, more indicates that the
corpus is spam heavy.  between .6 and 1.4 is an acceptable range.  How
about doing something like:

Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          1.1248 (slightly spam heavy)
Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          0.9000 (slightly ham heavy)
Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          0.0548 (very ham heavy)  - and
print
the existing warning
Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          1.9548 (very spam heavy)  - and
print
the existing warning

I may actually have the ham/spam ratio backwards, which emphasises my
point.  Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.

Thanks for keeping these revisions coming out so frequently and for
implementing so many of my suggestions.  ASSP just keeps getting
better and better.

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[K Post]

Also, could we get the Apply Changes and logout button that appears on
top of the left menu to be instead moved to the right of
ASSP (as service) - Configuration (root)
(right above the settings).

This would let more of the left menu fit on the screen, which would be
helpful for those of us doing admin work on low resolution laptops.

Putting "manage users" at the bottom of the list, by show rebuild log,
would also move everything up a line and help out.

Once that's done, we could move Expand All, Collapse All, and sorted
on the same line as "Main", maybe smaller font or using icons or
shorthand instead (+ all, - all, sorted) and that would save even more
space.

Last, I clicked on "sorted" and found a small problem in IE at least..
 The window flew out, but its left edge was not aligned with the left
edge of the window, instead it was just to the right of the ASSP logo.

Clicking on the menu on "Sorted config" (the vertical lettering) to
remove the menu, has it fly to the left, but not all the way off the
screen.  Its right edge is just to the left of the P in the assp logo.
 i had to reload the admin page for it to be totally gone.  no biggie
here, I don't know that i've ever used that function before.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:15 AM, K Post <nntp.post@...> wrote:

> First, holy cow!  Thanks for all of those changes in 2.0.1 rc 0.5.16.
>
> 1) Whitelisting emails are now working.  That's huge.
>
> 2) I found the issue with the embedded analyze info in the ham/spam
> reports.  If "Spam and Ham Reports will trigger an additional Analyze
> Report (DoAdditionalAnalyze)" is set to send a report, doesn't matter
> to whom, then a report is generated AND in the ham/spam reply there's
> an analysis too.  This is true in 0.5.16.
>
> Like this:
>
> Thank you for your not-spam report.
> Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.
>
>
> Subject: The message subject
> Feature Matching:
>
> Whitelist: 'externaluser@...'
>
> Bayesian Analysis:
> Bad Words:Bad Prob                      Good Words:Good Prob
>
> Totals:
>
>
> Spam/Ham Probabilities:
>
>
> Spam Probability:
>  probability 0.5000
>
>
> If I set DoAdditionalAnalyze to none, then this report doesn't appear
> in the reply.  I want a report to go to the sender and an analyze to
> me, but i don't want the analyze in the user reply.
>
>
> 3) On occasion, it appears that there are duplicate whitelist status
> lines like this:
>
> webmaster@... is not on Whitelist
> webmaster@... is not on Whitelist
>
> In this example original email that address was the to and reply-to.
>
>
> 4) While we're on this topic, I think it would be better if in the
> ham/spam report replies if we changed it so the original subject
> appears in parentethis.  So instead of
> Spam Report Received Original Subject
> it would be
> Spam Report Received (Original Subject)
>
> It's just easier to read that way.  "Spam Report Received" is what we
> have the subject configured as fyi.
>
>
> 5) Last, with Outlook 2007, with the report emails (and other emails
> from ASSP, like rebuild reports), I'm getting "Extra line breaks in
> this message were removed."  In #3 above, those two whitelist report
> lines were actually on the same line.  The message that we put for
> not-spam reports:
>
> Thank you for your not-spam report.
> Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.
>
> which is on 2 lines in the editor (lines 2 and 3, with 1 being the
> subject), shows as one line.
>
> In the rebuild reports most lines start on their own line, but those
> that are supposed printed on 2 lines like
> Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address: Enabled
> **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the corpus!**
>
> Which appears on 2 lines in the admin editor, but as
>
> Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address:
> Enabled **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the
> corpus!**
>
> in outlook 2007.
>
>
> (ok, one more thing, unrelated)  in the rebuild log, it would be nice
> when printing the corpus norm, if we indicated that, 1 is perfect,
> less indicates that the corpus is ham heavy, more indicates that the
> corpus is spam heavy.  between .6 and 1.4 is an acceptable range.  How
> about doing something like:
>
> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm: 1.1248 (slightly spam heavy)
> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm: 0.9000 (slightly ham heavy)
> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm: 0.0548 (very ham heavy)  - and print
> the existing warning
> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm: 1.9548 (very spam heavy)  - and print
> the existing warning
>
> I may actually have the ham/spam ratio backwards, which emphasises my
> point.  Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>
> Thanks for keeping these revisions coming out so frequently and for
> implementing so many of my suggestions.  ASSP just keeps getting
> better and better.
>

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[K Post]

>>Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>No - this is a professional version !

I can't tell if you're being serious or not, but how are we supposed
to have known, short of looking at the code, what that norm number
means?

I don't mean to argue, just discuss.  I'll write the code and provide
it here, if you don't want to use it, that's fine (always) - no hard
feelings.

You seem to agree with me at least in part - if there's a problem with
the norm, you already give a great pointer like this:

Corpus norm:    0.1074
Corpus norm should be between 0.6 and 1.4

Recommendation: You need more spam messages in the corpus.

I'm just saying that if it is 0.67 that we should have
corpus norm: 0.6700 (sightly ham heavy)

You're already putting things in each and every rebuild log like:

Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address: Enabled
**Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the corpus!**

I'm not sure why you'd feel that this 2 line reminder is needed in
every log, but a good reminder of what the corpus norm number means
(which is very important IMHO) isn't a good idea.


On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Thomas Eckardt/eck
<Thomas.Eckardt@...> wrote:

>>Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>
> No - this is a professional version !
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> K Post <nntp.post@...>
> 08.11.2009 16:16
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> ASSP development mailing list <assp-test@...>
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>
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>
> Thema
> Re: [Assp-test] fixes and changes in 2.0.1_RC0.5.16
>
>
>
>
>
>
> First, holy cow!  Thanks for all of those changes in 2.0.1 rc 0.5.16.
>
> 1) Whitelisting emails are now working.  That's huge.
>
> 2) I found the issue with the embedded analyze info in the ham/spam
> reports.  If "Spam and Ham Reports will trigger an additional Analyze
> Report (DoAdditionalAnalyze)" is set to send a report, doesn't matter
> to whom, then a report is generated AND in the ham/spam reply there's
> an analysis too.  This is true in 0.5.16.
>
> Like this:
>
> Thank you for your not-spam report.
> Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.
>
>
> Subject: The message subject
> Feature Matching:
>
> Whitelist: 'externaluser@...'
>
> Bayesian Analysis:
> Bad Words:Bad Prob                                               Good
> Words:Good Prob
>
> Totals:
>
>
> Spam/Ham Probabilities:
>
>
> Spam Probability:
>  probability 0.5000
>
>
> If I set DoAdditionalAnalyze to none, then this report doesn't appear
> in the reply.  I want a report to go to the sender and an analyze to
> me, but i don't want the analyze in the user reply.
>
>
> 3) On occasion, it appears that there are duplicate whitelist status
> lines like this:
>
> webmaster@... is not on Whitelist
> webmaster@... is not on Whitelist
>
> In this example original email that address was the to and reply-to.
>
>
> 4) While we're on this topic, I think it would be better if in the
> ham/spam report replies if we changed it so the original subject
> appears in parentethis.  So instead of
> Spam Report Received Original Subject
> it would be
> Spam Report Received (Original Subject)
>
> It's just easier to read that way.  "Spam Report Received" is what we
> have the subject configured as fyi.
>
>
> 5) Last, with Outlook 2007, with the report emails (and other emails
> from ASSP, like rebuild reports), I'm getting "Extra line breaks in
> this message were removed."  In #3 above, those two whitelist report
> lines were actually on the same line.  The message that we put for
> not-spam reports:
>
> Thank you for your not-spam report.
> Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.
>
> which is on 2 lines in the editor (lines 2 and 3, with 1 being the
> subject), shows as one line.
>
> In the rebuild reports most lines start on their own line, but those
> that are supposed printed on 2 lines like
> Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address: Enabled
> **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the corpus!**
>
> Which appears on 2 lines in the admin editor, but as
>
> Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address:
> Enabled **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the
> corpus!**
>
> in outlook 2007.
>
>
> (ok, one more thing, unrelated)  in the rebuild log, it would be nice
> when printing the corpus norm, if we indicated that, 1 is perfect,
> less indicates that the corpus is ham heavy, more indicates that the
> corpus is spam heavy.  between .6 and 1.4 is an acceptable range.  How
> about doing something like:
>
> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          1.1248 (slightly spam heavy)
> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          0.9000 (slightly ham heavy)
> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          0.0548 (very ham heavy)  - and
> print
> the existing warning
> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          1.9548 (very spam heavy)  - and
> print
> the existing warning
>
> I may actually have the ham/spam ratio backwards, which emphasises my
> point.  Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>
> Thanks for keeping these revisions coming out so frequently and for
> implementing so many of my suggestions.  ASSP just keeps getting
> better and better.
>
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[Thomas Eckardt/eck]

>If I set DoAdditionalAnalyze to none, then this report doesn't appear
>in the reply.  I want a report to go to the sender and an analyze to
>me, but i don't want the analyze in the user reply.

Set   'DoAdditionalAnalyze '     to 'SEND TO EmailAnalyzeTo'

Thomas




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First, holy cow!  Thanks for all of those changes in 2.0.1 rc 0.5.16.

1) Whitelisting emails are now working.  That's huge.

2) I found the issue with the embedded analyze info in the ham/spam
reports.  If "Spam and Ham Reports will trigger an additional Analyze
Report (DoAdditionalAnalyze)" is set to send a report, doesn't matter
to whom, then a report is generated AND in the ham/spam reply there's
an analysis too.  This is true in 0.5.16.

Like this:

Thank you for your not-spam report.
Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.


Subject: The message subject
Feature Matching:

Whitelist: 'externaluser@...'

Bayesian Analysis:
Bad Words:Bad Prob                                               Good
Words:Good Prob

Totals:


Spam/Ham Probabilities:


Spam Probability:
 probability 0.5000


If I set DoAdditionalAnalyze to none, then this report doesn't appear
in the reply.  I want a report to go to the sender and an analyze to
me, but i don't want the analyze in the user reply.


3) On occasion, it appears that there are duplicate whitelist status
lines like this:

webmaster@... is not on Whitelist
webmaster@... is not on Whitelist

In this example original email that address was the to and reply-to.


4) While we're on this topic, I think it would be better if in the
ham/spam report replies if we changed it so the original subject
appears in parentethis.  So instead of
Spam Report Received Original Subject
it would be
Spam Report Received (Original Subject)

It's just easier to read that way.  "Spam Report Received" is what we
have the subject configured as fyi.


5) Last, with Outlook 2007, with the report emails (and other emails
from ASSP, like rebuild reports), I'm getting "Extra line breaks in
this message were removed."  In #3 above, those two whitelist report
lines were actually on the same line.  The message that we put for
not-spam reports:

Thank you for your not-spam report.
Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.

which is on 2 lines in the editor (lines 2 and 3, with 1 being the
subject), shows as one line.

In the rebuild reports most lines start on their own line, but those
that are supposed printed on 2 lines like
Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address: Enabled
**Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the corpus!**

Which appears on 2 lines in the admin editor, but as

Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address:
Enabled **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the
corpus!**

in outlook 2007.


(ok, one more thing, unrelated)  in the rebuild log, it would be nice
when printing the corpus norm, if we indicated that, 1 is perfect,
less indicates that the corpus is ham heavy, more indicates that the
corpus is spam heavy.  between .6 and 1.4 is an acceptable range.  How
about doing something like:

Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          1.1248 (slightly spam heavy)
Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          0.9000 (slightly ham heavy)
Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          0.0548 (very ham heavy)  - and
print
the existing warning
Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          1.9548 (very spam heavy)  - and
print
the existing warning

I may actually have the ham/spam ratio backwards, which emphasises my
point.  Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.

Thanks for keeping these revisions coming out so frequently and for
implementing so many of my suggestions.  ASSP just keeps getting
better and better.

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[Thomas Eckardt/eck]

>>>Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.

I will never do any think for dummies - just give the child an other name!

Thomas




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>>Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>No - this is a professional version !

I can't tell if you're being serious or not, but how are we supposed
to have known, short of looking at the code, what that norm number
means?

I don't mean to argue, just discuss.  I'll write the code and provide
it here, if you don't want to use it, that's fine (always) - no hard
feelings.

You seem to agree with me at least in part - if there's a problem with
the norm, you already give a great pointer like this:

Corpus norm:    0.1074
Corpus norm should be between 0.6 and 1.4

Recommendation: You need more spam messages in the corpus.

I'm just saying that if it is 0.67 that we should have
corpus norm: 0.6700 (sightly ham heavy)

You're already putting things in each and every rebuild log like:

Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address: Enabled
**Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the corpus!**

I'm not sure why you'd feel that this 2 line reminder is needed in
every log, but a good reminder of what the corpus norm number means
(which is very important IMHO) isn't a good idea.


On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Thomas Eckardt/eck
<Thomas.Eckardt@...> wrote:

>>Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>
> No - this is a professional version !
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> K Post <nntp.post@...>
> 08.11.2009 16:16
> Bitte antworten an
> ASSP development mailing list <assp-test@...>
>
>
> An
> ASSP development mailing list <assp-test@...>
> Kopie
>
> Thema
> Re: [Assp-test] fixes and changes in 2.0.1_RC0.5.16
>
>
>
>
>
>
> First, holy cow!  Thanks for all of those changes in 2.0.1 rc 0.5.16.
>
> 1) Whitelisting emails are now working.  That's huge.
>
> 2) I found the issue with the embedded analyze info in the ham/spam
> reports.  If "Spam and Ham Reports will trigger an additional Analyze
> Report (DoAdditionalAnalyze)" is set to send a report, doesn't matter
> to whom, then a report is generated AND in the ham/spam reply there's
> an analysis too.  This is true in 0.5.16.
>
> Like this:
>
> Thank you for your not-spam report.
> Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.
>
>
> Subject: The message subject
> Feature Matching:
>
> Whitelist: 'externaluser@...'
>
> Bayesian Analysis:
> Bad Words:Bad Prob                                               Good
> Words:Good Prob
>
> Totals:
>
>
> Spam/Ham Probabilities:
>
>
> Spam Probability:
>  probability 0.5000
>
>
> If I set DoAdditionalAnalyze to none, then this report doesn't appear
> in the reply.  I want a report to go to the sender and an analyze to
> me, but i don't want the analyze in the user reply.
>
>
> 3) On occasion, it appears that there are duplicate whitelist status
> lines like this:
>
> webmaster@... is not on Whitelist
> webmaster@... is not on Whitelist
>
> In this example original email that address was the to and reply-to.
>
>
> 4) While we're on this topic, I think it would be better if in the
> ham/spam report replies if we changed it so the original subject
> appears in parentethis.  So instead of
> Spam Report Received Original Subject
> it would be
> Spam Report Received (Original Subject)
>
> It's just easier to read that way.  "Spam Report Received" is what we
> have the subject configured as fyi.
>
>
> 5) Last, with Outlook 2007, with the report emails (and other emails
> from ASSP, like rebuild reports), I'm getting "Extra line breaks in
> this message were removed."  In #3 above, those two whitelist report
> lines were actually on the same line.  The message that we put for
> not-spam reports:
>
> Thank you for your not-spam report.
> Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.
>
> which is on 2 lines in the editor (lines 2 and 3, with 1 being the
> subject), shows as one line.
>
> In the rebuild reports most lines start on their own line, but those
> that are supposed printed on 2 lines like
> Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address:

Enabled

> **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the corpus!**
>
> Which appears on 2 lines in the admin editor, but as
>
> Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address:
> Enabled **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the
> corpus!**
>
> in outlook 2007.
>
>
> (ok, one more thing, unrelated)  in the rebuild log, it would be nice
> when printing the corpus norm, if we indicated that, 1 is perfect,
> less indicates that the corpus is ham heavy, more indicates that the
> corpus is spam heavy.  between .6 and 1.4 is an acceptable range.  How
> about doing something like:
>
> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          1.1248 (slightly spam heavy)
> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          0.9000 (slightly ham heavy)
> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          0.0548 (very ham heavy)  - and
> print
> the existing warning
> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          1.9548 (very spam heavy)  - and
> print
> the existing warning
>
> I may actually have the ham/spam ratio backwards, which emphasises my
> point.  Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>
> Thanks for keeping these revisions coming out so frequently and for
> implementing so many of my suggestions.  ASSP just keeps getting
> better and better.
>
>

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[K Post]

OK, you're just taking me too literally.  I was saying "us dummies"
trying (unsuccessful) to be funny by jabbing myself in the gut.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Eckardt/eck
<Thomas.Eckardt@...> wrote:

>>>>Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>
> I will never do any think for dummies - just give the child an other name!
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> K Post <nntp.post@...>
> 08.11.2009 19:34
> Bitte antworten an
> ASSP development mailing list <assp-test@...>
>
>
> An
> ASSP development mailing list <assp-test@...>
> Kopie
>
> Thema
> Re: [Assp-test] Antwort: Re: fixes and changes in 2.0.1_RC0.5.16
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>>No - this is a professional version !
>
> I can't tell if you're being serious or not, but how are we supposed
> to have known, short of looking at the code, what that norm number
> means?
>
> I don't mean to argue, just discuss.  I'll write the code and provide
> it here, if you don't want to use it, that's fine (always) - no hard
> feelings.
>
> You seem to agree with me at least in part - if there's a problem with
> the norm, you already give a great pointer like this:
>
> Corpus norm:    0.1074
> Corpus norm should be between 0.6 and 1.4
>
> Recommendation: You need more spam messages in the corpus.
>
> I'm just saying that if it is 0.67 that we should have
> corpus norm: 0.6700 (sightly ham heavy)
>
> You're already putting things in each and every rebuild log like:
>
> Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address: Enabled
> **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the corpus!**
>
> I'm not sure why you'd feel that this 2 line reminder is needed in
> every log, but a good reminder of what the corpus norm number means
> (which is very important IMHO) isn't a good idea.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Thomas Eckardt/eck
> <Thomas.Eckardt@...> wrote:
>>>Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>>
>> No - this is a professional version !
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> K Post <nntp.post@...>
>> 08.11.2009 16:16
>> Bitte antworten an
>> ASSP development mailing list <assp-test@...>
>>
>>
>> An
>> ASSP development mailing list <assp-test@...>
>> Kopie
>>
>> Thema
>> Re: [Assp-test] fixes and changes in 2.0.1_RC0.5.16
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> First, holy cow!  Thanks for all of those changes in 2.0.1 rc 0.5.16.
>>
>> 1) Whitelisting emails are now working.  That's huge.
>>
>> 2) I found the issue with the embedded analyze info in the ham/spam
>> reports.  If "Spam and Ham Reports will trigger an additional Analyze
>> Report (DoAdditionalAnalyze)" is set to send a report, doesn't matter
>> to whom, then a report is generated AND in the ham/spam reply there's
>> an analysis too.  This is true in 0.5.16.
>>
>> Like this:
>>
>> Thank you for your not-spam report.
>> Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.
>>
>>
>> Subject: The message subject
>> Feature Matching:
>>
>> Whitelist: 'externaluser@...'
>>
>> Bayesian Analysis:
>> Bad Words:Bad Prob                                               Good
>> Words:Good Prob
>>
>> Totals:
>>
>>
>> Spam/Ham Probabilities:
>>
>>
>> Spam Probability:
>>  probability 0.5000
>>
>>
>> If I set DoAdditionalAnalyze to none, then this report doesn't appear
>> in the reply.  I want a report to go to the sender and an analyze to
>> me, but i don't want the analyze in the user reply.
>>
>>
>> 3) On occasion, it appears that there are duplicate whitelist status
>> lines like this:
>>
>> webmaster@... is not on Whitelist
>> webmaster@... is not on Whitelist
>>
>> In this example original email that address was the to and reply-to.
>>
>>
>> 4) While we're on this topic, I think it would be better if in the
>> ham/spam report replies if we changed it so the original subject
>> appears in parentethis.  So instead of
>> Spam Report Received Original Subject
>> it would be
>> Spam Report Received (Original Subject)
>>
>> It's just easier to read that way.  "Spam Report Received" is what we
>> have the subject configured as fyi.
>>
>>
>> 5) Last, with Outlook 2007, with the report emails (and other emails
>> from ASSP, like rebuild reports), I'm getting "Extra line breaks in
>> this message were removed."  In #3 above, those two whitelist report
>> lines were actually on the same line.  The message that we put for
>> not-spam reports:
>>
>> Thank you for your not-spam report.
>> Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.
>>
>> which is on 2 lines in the editor (lines 2 and 3, with 1 being the
>> subject), shows as one line.
>>
>> In the rebuild reports most lines start on their own line, but those
>> that are supposed printed on 2 lines like
>> Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address:
> Enabled
>> **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the corpus!**
>>
>> Which appears on 2 lines in the admin editor, but as
>>
>> Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address:
>> Enabled **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the
>> corpus!**
>>
>> in outlook 2007.
>>
>>
>> (ok, one more thing, unrelated)  in the rebuild log, it would be nice
>> when printing the corpus norm, if we indicated that, 1 is perfect,
>> less indicates that the corpus is ham heavy, more indicates that the
>> corpus is spam heavy.  between .6 and 1.4 is an acceptable range.  How
>> about doing something like:
>>
>> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          1.1248 (slightly spam heavy)
>> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          0.9000 (slightly ham heavy)
>> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          0.0548 (very ham heavy)  - and
>> print
>> the existing warning
>> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          1.9548 (very spam heavy)  - and
>> print
>> the existing warning
>>
>> I may actually have the ham/spam ratio backwards, which emphasises my
>> point.  Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>>
>> Thanks for keeping these revisions coming out so frequently and for
>> implementing so many of my suggestions.  ASSP just keeps getting
>> better and better.
>>
>>
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[Thomas Eckardt/eck]

Just send me the code changes.

Thomas




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Re: [Assp-test] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: fixes and changes in
2.0.1_RC0.5.16






OK, you're just taking me too literally.  I was saying "us dummies"
trying (unsuccessful) to be funny by jabbing myself in the gut.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Eckardt/eck
<Thomas.Eckardt@...> wrote:
>>>>Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>
> I will never do any think for dummies - just give the child an other
name!

>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> K Post <nntp.post@...>
> 08.11.2009 19:34
> Bitte antworten an
> ASSP development mailing list <assp-test@...>
>
>
> An
> ASSP development mailing list <assp-test@...>
> Kopie
>
> Thema
> Re: [Assp-test] Antwort: Re: fixes and changes in 2.0.1_RC0.5.16
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>>No - this is a professional version !
>
> I can't tell if you're being serious or not, but how are we supposed
> to have known, short of looking at the code, what that norm number
> means?
>
> I don't mean to argue, just discuss.  I'll write the code and provide
> it here, if you don't want to use it, that's fine (always) - no hard
> feelings.
>
> You seem to agree with me at least in part - if there's a problem with
> the norm, you already give a great pointer like this:
>
> Corpus norm:    0.1074
> Corpus norm should be between 0.6 and 1.4
>
> Recommendation: You need more spam messages in the corpus.
>
> I'm just saying that if it is 0.67 that we should have
> corpus norm: 0.6700 (sightly ham heavy)
>
> You're already putting things in each and every rebuild log like:
>
> Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address:

Enabled

> **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the corpus!**
>
> I'm not sure why you'd feel that this 2 line reminder is needed in
> every log, but a good reminder of what the corpus norm number means
> (which is very important IMHO) isn't a good idea.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Thomas Eckardt/eck
> <Thomas.Eckardt@...> wrote:
>>>Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>>
>> No - this is a professional version !
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> K Post <nntp.post@...>
>> 08.11.2009 16:16
>> Bitte antworten an
>> ASSP development mailing list <assp-test@...>
>>
>>
>> An
>> ASSP development mailing list <assp-test@...>
>> Kopie
>>
>> Thema
>> Re: [Assp-test] fixes and changes in 2.0.1_RC0.5.16
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> First, holy cow!  Thanks for all of those changes in 2.0.1 rc 0.5.16.
>>
>> 1) Whitelisting emails are now working.  That's huge.
>>
>> 2) I found the issue with the embedded analyze info in the ham/spam
>> reports.  If "Spam and Ham Reports will trigger an additional Analyze
>> Report (DoAdditionalAnalyze)" is set to send a report, doesn't matter
>> to whom, then a report is generated AND in the ham/spam reply there's
>> an analysis too.  This is true in 0.5.16.
>>
>> Like this:
>>
>> Thank you for your not-spam report.
>> Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.
>>
>>
>> Subject: The message subject
>> Feature Matching:
>>
>> Whitelist: 'externaluser@...'
>>
>> Bayesian Analysis:
>> Bad Words:Bad Prob                                               Good
>> Words:Good Prob
>>
>> Totals:
>>
>>
>> Spam/Ham Probabilities:
>>
>>
>> Spam Probability:
>>  probability 0.5000
>>
>>
>> If I set DoAdditionalAnalyze to none, then this report doesn't appear
>> in the reply.  I want a report to go to the sender and an analyze to
>> me, but i don't want the analyze in the user reply.
>>
>>
>> 3) On occasion, it appears that there are duplicate whitelist status
>> lines like this:
>>
>> webmaster@... is not on Whitelist
>> webmaster@... is not on Whitelist
>>
>> In this example original email that address was the to and reply-to.
>>
>>
>> 4) While we're on this topic, I think it would be better if in the
>> ham/spam report replies if we changed it so the original subject
>> appears in parentethis.  So instead of
>> Spam Report Received Original Subject
>> it would be
>> Spam Report Received (Original Subject)
>>
>> It's just easier to read that way.  "Spam Report Received" is what we
>> have the subject configured as fyi.
>>
>>
>> 5) Last, with Outlook 2007, with the report emails (and other emails
>> from ASSP, like rebuild reports), I'm getting "Extra line breaks in
>> this message were removed."  In #3 above, those two whitelist report
>> lines were actually on the same line.  The message that we put for
>> not-spam reports:
>>
>> Thank you for your not-spam report.
>> Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.
>>
>> which is on 2 lines in the editor (lines 2 and 3, with 1 being the
>> subject), shows as one line.
>>
>> In the rebuild reports most lines start on their own line, but those
>> that are supposed printed on 2 lines like
>> Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address:
> Enabled
>> **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the corpus!**
>>
>> Which appears on 2 lines in the admin editor, but as
>>
>> Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address:
>> Enabled **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the
>> corpus!**
>>
>> in outlook 2007.
>>
>>
>> (ok, one more thing, unrelated)  in the rebuild log, it would be nice
>> when printing the corpus norm, if we indicated that, 1 is perfect,
>> less indicates that the corpus is ham heavy, more indicates that the
>> corpus is spam heavy.  between .6 and 1.4 is an acceptable range.  How
>> about doing something like:
>>
>> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          1.1248 (slightly spam heavy)
>> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          0.9000 (slightly ham heavy)
>> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          0.0548 (very ham heavy)  - and
>> print
>> the existing warning
>> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          1.9548 (very spam heavy)  -

and

>> print
>> the existing warning
>>
>> I may actually have the ham/spam ratio backwards, which emphasises my
>> point.  Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>>
>> Thanks for keeping these revisions coming out so frequently and for
>> implementing so many of my suggestions.  ASSP just keeps getting
>> better and better.
>>
>>
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[K Post]

>>If I set DoAdditionalAnalyze to none, then this report doesn't appear
>>in the reply.  I want a report to go to the sender and an analyze to
>>me, but i don't want the analyze in the user reply.
>
> Set   'DoAdditionalAnalyze '     to 'SEND TO EmailAnalyzeTo'

Right.  That's how I have it.  I get the analyze report just fine.
BUT the sender also gets analysis, not as a separate email like I get
(and want), but right int he body of the report reply.  The only way I
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OK - now I know what you meen. AnalyseText sets $this->{report} and we use
this to send the analyse report - but it is not reset to empty after that.

Will change it.

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>>If I set DoAdditionalAnalyze to none, then this report doesn't appear
>>in the reply.  I want a report to go to the sender and an analyze to
>>me, but i don't want the analyze in the user reply.
>
> Set   'DoAdditionalAnalyze '     to 'SEND TO EmailAnalyzeTo'

Right.  That's how I have it.  I get the analyze report just fine.
BUT the sender also gets analysis, not as a separate email like I get
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On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Thomas Eckardt/eck
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> OK - now I know what you meen. AnalyseText sets $this->{report} and we use
> this to send the analyse report - but it is not reset to empty after that.
>
> Will change it.
>

Thanks.  Obviously, not urgent.  Nor is this requested addition or
something like it-

    else {               #norm exists, print it

        my $normdesc = '';
        if    ( $norm < 0.6 ) { $normdesc = '(warning: extremely ham heavy)'; }
        elsif ( $norm < 0.9   ) { $normdesc = '(ok - slighly ham heavy)'; }
        elsif ( $norm < 1.1   ) { $normdesc = '(very good -
balanced)'; }  <-- I'm guessing between .9 and 1.1 is very good
        elsif ( $norm < 1.4 ) { $normdesc = '(ok - slighly spam heavy)'; }
        else                  { $normdesc = '(warning: extremely spam
heavy)'; }
        &rb_printlog( "Corpus norm:\t%.4f %s\n", $norm,  $normdesc );
    }


I think I've got that last line right with the printf syntax, but if
not, it's the normdesc variable that should be inserted after the norm
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[Thomas Eckardt/eck]

wrong syntax - does'nt matter -> done!

Thomas




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On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Thomas Eckardt/eck
<Thomas.Eckardt@...> wrote:
> OK - now I know what you meen. AnalyseText sets $this->{report} and we
use
> this to send the analyse report - but it is not reset to empty after
that.
>
> Will change it.
>

Thanks.  Obviously, not urgent.  Nor is this requested addition or
something like it-

    else {               #norm exists, print it

        my $normdesc = '';
        if    ( $norm < 0.6 ) { $normdesc = '(warning: extremely ham
heavy)'; }
        elsif ( $norm < 0.9   ) { $normdesc = '(ok - slighly ham heavy)';
}
        elsif ( $norm < 1.1   ) { $normdesc = '(very good -
balanced)'; }  <-- I'm guessing between .9 and 1.1 is very good
        elsif ( $norm < 1.4 ) { $normdesc = '(ok - slighly spam heavy)'; }
        else                  { $normdesc = '(warning: extremely spam
heavy)'; }
        &rb_printlog( "Corpus norm:\t%.4f %s\n", $norm,  $normdesc );
    }


I think I've got that last line right with the printf syntax, but if
not, it's the normdesc variable that should be inserted after the norm
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[K Post]

Thanks!

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Thomas Eckardt/eck
<Thomas.Eckardt@...> wrote:

> Just send me the code changes.
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> OK, you're just taking me too literally.  I was saying "us dummies"
> trying (unsuccessful) to be funny by jabbing myself in the gut.
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Eckardt/eck
> <Thomas.Eckardt@...> wrote:
>>>>>Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>>
>> I will never do any think for dummies - just give the child an other
> name!
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> K Post <nntp.post@...>
>> 08.11.2009 19:34
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>>>No - this is a professional version !
>>
>> I can't tell if you're being serious or not, but how are we supposed
>> to have known, short of looking at the code, what that norm number
>> means?
>>
>> I don't mean to argue, just discuss.  I'll write the code and provide
>> it here, if you don't want to use it, that's fine (always) - no hard
>> feelings.
>>
>> You seem to agree with me at least in part - if there's a problem with
>> the norm, you already give a great pointer like this:
>>
>> Corpus norm:    0.1074
>> Corpus norm should be between 0.6 and 1.4
>>
>> Recommendation: You need more spam messages in the corpus.
>>
>> I'm just saying that if it is 0.67 that we should have
>> corpus norm: 0.6700 (sightly ham heavy)
>>
>> You're already putting things in each and every rebuild log like:
>>
>> Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address:
> Enabled
>> **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the corpus!**
>>
>> I'm not sure why you'd feel that this 2 line reminder is needed in
>> every log, but a good reminder of what the corpus norm number means
>> (which is very important IMHO) isn't a good idea.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Thomas Eckardt/eck
>> <Thomas.Eckardt@...> wrote:
>>>>Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>>>
>>> No - this is a professional version !
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> K Post <nntp.post@...>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> First, holy cow!  Thanks for all of those changes in 2.0.1 rc 0.5.16.
>>>
>>> 1) Whitelisting emails are now working.  That's huge.
>>>
>>> 2) I found the issue with the embedded analyze info in the ham/spam
>>> reports.  If "Spam and Ham Reports will trigger an additional Analyze
>>> Report (DoAdditionalAnalyze)" is set to send a report, doesn't matter
>>> to whom, then a report is generated AND in the ham/spam reply there's
>>> an analysis too.  This is true in 0.5.16.
>>>
>>> Like this:
>>>
>>> Thank you for your not-spam report.
>>> Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: The message subject
>>> Feature Matching:
>>>
>>> Whitelist: 'externaluser@...'
>>>
>>> Bayesian Analysis:
>>> Bad Words:Bad Prob                                               Good
>>> Words:Good Prob
>>>
>>> Totals:
>>>
>>>
>>> Spam/Ham Probabilities:
>>>
>>>
>>> Spam Probability:
>>>  probability 0.5000
>>>
>>>
>>> If I set DoAdditionalAnalyze to none, then this report doesn't appear
>>> in the reply.  I want a report to go to the sender and an analyze to
>>> me, but i don't want the analyze in the user reply.
>>>
>>>
>>> 3) On occasion, it appears that there are duplicate whitelist status
>>> lines like this:
>>>
>>> webmaster@... is not on Whitelist
>>> webmaster@... is not on Whitelist
>>>
>>> In this example original email that address was the to and reply-to.
>>>
>>>
>>> 4) While we're on this topic, I think it would be better if in the
>>> ham/spam report replies if we changed it so the original subject
>>> appears in parentethis.  So instead of
>>> Spam Report Received Original Subject
>>> it would be
>>> Spam Report Received (Original Subject)
>>>
>>> It's just easier to read that way.  "Spam Report Received" is what we
>>> have the subject configured as fyi.
>>>
>>>
>>> 5) Last, with Outlook 2007, with the report emails (and other emails
>>> from ASSP, like rebuild reports), I'm getting "Extra line breaks in
>>> this message were removed."  In #3 above, those two whitelist report
>>> lines were actually on the same line.  The message that we put for
>>> not-spam reports:
>>>
>>> Thank you for your not-spam report.
>>> Your report will help ASSP better detect spam messages in the future.
>>>
>>> which is on 2 lines in the editor (lines 2 and 3, with 1 being the
>>> subject), shows as one line.
>>>
>>> In the rebuild reports most lines start on their own line, but those
>>> that are supposed printed on 2 lines like
>>> Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address:
>> Enabled
>>> **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the corpus!**
>>>
>>> Which appears on 2 lines in the admin editor, but as
>>>
>>> Nov-08-09 08:15:00 Do Not Collect Messages with RedListed address:
>>> Enabled **Messages with RedListed addresses will be removed from the
>>> corpus!**
>>>
>>> in outlook 2007.
>>>
>>>
>>> (ok, one more thing, unrelated)  in the rebuild log, it would be nice
>>> when printing the corpus norm, if we indicated that, 1 is perfect,
>>> less indicates that the corpus is ham heavy, more indicates that the
>>> corpus is spam heavy.  between .6 and 1.4 is an acceptable range.  How
>>> about doing something like:
>>>
>>> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          1.1248 (slightly spam heavy)
>>> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          0.9000 (slightly ham heavy)
>>> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          0.0548 (very ham heavy)  - and
>>> print
>>> the existing warning
>>> Nov-08-09 08:47:17 Corpus norm:          1.9548 (very spam heavy)  -
> and
>>> print
>>> the existing warning
>>>
>>> I may actually have the ham/spam ratio backwards, which emphasises my
>>> point.  Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>>>
>>> Thanks for keeping these revisions coming out so frequently and for
>>> implementing so many of my suggestions.  ASSP just keeps getting
>>> better and better.
>>>
>>>
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On Nov 8, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Thomas Eckardt/eck wrote:

>> Let's make it more clear for us dummies out there.
>
> No - this is a professional version !


Disagree, it can be professional, the goal of any software should be  
to be user friendly. The best software is professional software,  
whatever that means, but that empowers a new user to use the software  
as though they were a professional.

There is no excuse for user facing complex software. ( complex under  
the hood, elegant on the surface ) At the very least, the more easy  
you make it on the user, the less questions you have on the mailing  
list.
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On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:54 AM, K Post wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Thomas Eckardt/eck
> <Thomas.Eckardt@...> wrote:
>> OK - now I know what you meen. AnalyseText sets $this->{report} and  
>> we use
>> this to send the analyse report - but it is not reset to empty  
>> after that.
>>
>> Will change it.
>>
>
> Thanks.  Obviously, not urgent.  Nor is this requested addition or
> something like it-
>
>    else {               #norm exists, print it
>
>        my $normdesc = '';
>        if    ( $norm < 0.6 ) { $normdesc = '(warning: extremely ham  
> heavy)'; }
>        elsif ( $norm < 0.9   ) { $normdesc = '(ok - slighly ham  
> heavy)'; }
>        elsif ( $norm < 1.1   ) { $normdesc = '(very good -
> balanced)'; }  <-- I'm guessing between .9 and 1.1 is very good
>        elsif ( $norm < 1.4 ) { $normdesc = '(ok - slighly spam  
> heavy)'; }
>        else                  { $normdesc = '(warning: extremely spam
> heavy)'; }
>        &rb_printlog( "Corpus norm:\t%.4f %s\n", $norm,  $normdesc );
>    }
>
>
> I think I've got that last line right with the printf syntax, but if
> not, it's the normdesc variable that should be inserted after the norm
> for that little bit of extra explanation.

Nice.   Not to nitpick, but how about an effort to be case consistent.
warning: extremely ham heavy
   - instead use -
Warning: Extremely ham heavy.

And is it really a warning, or an alert? What does ASSP have as a  
standard for defining messages?
I would take from Apache, from whom many others have taken, and is  
widely understood:
emerg -  System is unstable
alert -  Immediate action required
crit -   Critical error
error -  Non-critical error
warn -   Warning
notice - Normal but significant
info -   Informational
debug -  Debug level

These log levels and cosmetic lines in the display the user sees  
should be consistent across the board. So in my opinion, if I see your  
messages, I think something is very wrong on the warning side.  All of  
those are simply "info" status.

Does ASSP have a messaging class, msg($status, 'the message', optional-
over-ride args)
this may or may not send to the log, or screen, but it is  
controllable, and provides consistency to all messages.

Probably a good idea to localize them with variable names as well.

I am not sure I agree with putting the perens in the string in the  
code.  If you want those, those should go into the warning class as  
well.  It is just one more area for someone to miss putting them in,  
and we have log lines an screen messages that take on all different  
forms of syntax.

Just food for thought.

--
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>2) I found the issue with the embedded analyze info in the ham/spam
>reports.  If "Spam and Ham Reports will trigger an additional Analyze
>Report (DoAdditionalAnalyze)" is set to send a report, doesn't matter
>to whom, then a report is generated AND in the ham/spam reply there's
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> &rb_printlog( "Corpus norm:\t%.4f %s\n", $norm,  $normdesc );

may be better:
&rb_ printlog( "Corpus norm:\t%.4f %s $normdesc \n", $norm  );


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