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by maxupixu :: Rate this Message:

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The font settings for all components are

family=Segoe UI,name=Segoe UI,style=plain,size=12

but visually the text in a tree/textfield/titledborders are different from labels/buttons/menus.
In the tree/textfield/titledborders the text looks sharper and distorced becoming less pleasing to read
than in labels/buttons/menus.

its suppossed to be like that?

Re: font its the same but visually are different deppending on component

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Screenshot?


From: maxupixu <maxupixu@...>
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Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 4:25:55 AM
Subject: font its the same but visually are different deppending on component



The font settings for all components are

family=Segoe UI,name=Segoe UI,style=plain,size=12

but visually the text in a tree/textfield/titledborders are different from
labels/buttons/menus.
In the tree/textfield/titledborders the text looks sharper and distorced
becoming less pleasing to read
than in labels/buttons/menus.

its suppossed to be like that?

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Re: font its the same but visually are different deppending on component

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i just get your font policy example and added a jtextfield:



Kirill Grouchnikov wrote:
Screenshot?




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Subject: font its the same but visually are different deppending on component



The font settings for all components are

family=Segoe UI,name=Segoe UI,style=plain,size=12

but visually the text in a tree/textfield/titledborders are different from
labels/buttons/menus.
In the tree/textfield/titledborders the text looks sharper and distorced
becoming less pleasing to read
than in labels/buttons/menus.

its suppossed to be like that?

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Re: font its the same but visually are different deppending on component

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with extra font scale:



Kirill Grouchnikov wrote:
Screenshot?




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Subject: font its the same but visually are different deppending on component



The font settings for all components are

family=Segoe UI,name=Segoe UI,style=plain,size=12

but visually the text in a tree/textfield/titledborders are different from
labels/buttons/menus.
In the tree/textfield/titledborders the text looks sharper and distorced
becoming less pleasing to read
than in labels/buttons/menus.

its suppossed to be like that?

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Re: font its the same but visually are different deppending on component

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Looks like the text field is not using the desktop anti-alias settings. Are you running the unmodified latest version (6.1) of Substance?

Thanks
Kirill


From: maxupixu <maxupixu@...>
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Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 12:06:54 PM
Subject: Re: font its the same but visually are different deppending on component



i just get your font policy example and added a jtextfield:

http://old.nabble.com/file/p30458320/textfield.png


Kirill Grouchnikov wrote:

>
> Screenshot?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: maxupixu <maxupixu@...>
> To: users@...
> Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 4:25:55 AM
> Subject: font its the same but visually are different deppending on
> component
>
>
>
> The font settings for all components are
>
> family=Segoe UI,name=Segoe UI,style=plain,size=12
>
> but visually the text in a tree/textfield/titledborders are different from
> labels/buttons/menus.
> In the tree/textfield/titledborders the text looks sharper and distorced
> becoming less pleasing to read
> than in labels/buttons/menus.
>
> its suppossed to be like that?
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Re: font its the same but visually are different deppending on component

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Ok,

seams that substance.jar lib and substance-all.zip src code are not sync, they both came from 6.1 download link - https://substance.dev.java.net/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?collapseFolder=6320&folderID=12185)

When i compile with the src code from substance-all.zip i get this:



But when  i compile with substance.jar lib i get this:



Notice that even with substance.jar lib (that seams to have antialising in all components) the text in titleborder 1 is wrong and in titleborder 2 is ok, the only difference betwen them is:

TitledBorder tb1 = new TitledBorder(new LineBorder(Color.RED),"titleborder 1");
TitledBorder tb2 = new TitledBorder("titleborder 2");

In my app i use costumized sources SubtanceTextFieldUI.java (to remove the round borders) and SubstanceTreeUI.java (to remove striping and use a background image in trees) from substance-all.zip and the rest is from the lib, so thats why only the components originated from substance-all.zip are not being antialised. Nevertheless the text in TitledBorder is ok depending on how is intanciated.



Kirill Grouchnikov wrote:
Looks like the text field is not using the desktop anti-alias settings. Are you
running the unmodified latest version (6.1) of Substance?

Thanks
Kirill




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From: maxupixu <maxupixu@gmail.com>
To: users@substance.dev.java.net
Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 12:06:54 PM
Subject: Re: font its the same but visually are different deppending on
component



i just get your font policy example and added a jtextfield:

http://old.nabble.com/file/p30458320/textfield.png 


Kirill Grouchnikov wrote:
>
> Screenshot?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: maxupixu <maxupixu@gmail.com>
> To: users@substance.dev.java.net
> Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 4:25:55 AM
> Subject: font its the same but visually are different deppending on
> component
>
>
>
> The font settings for all components are
>
> family=Segoe UI,name=Segoe UI,style=plain,size=12
>
> but visually the text in a tree/textfield/titledborders are different from
> labels/buttons/menus.
> In the tree/textfield/titledborders the text looks sharper and distorced
> becoming less pleasing to read
> than in labels/buttons/menus.
>
> its suppossed to be like that?
>
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Re: font its the same but visually are different deppending on component

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There are custom build steps in the build.xml of Substance that inject common painting code into all UI delegates. One of the things that is injected is getting the desktop AA settings and adding those to the Graphics object before everything is painted. If you're not doing this in your own UI delegates, you will see aliased text rendering - which is expected.

You can either change your build script to follow the same route or explicitly install the AA setings using the RenderingUtils class.

Thanks
Kirill



From: maxupixu <maxupixu@...>
To: users@...
Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 4:42:05 AM
Subject: Re: font its the same but visually are different deppending on component


Ok,

seams that substance.jar lib and substance-all.zip src code are not sync,
they both came from 6.1 download link -
https://substance.dev.java.net/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?collapseFolder=6320&folderID=12185)

When i compile with the src code from substance-all.zip i get this:

http://old.nabble.com/file/p30463451/from_sub61src.png

But when  i compile with substance.jar lib i get this:

http://old.nabble.com/file/p30463451/from_sub61lib.png

Notice that even with substance.jar lib (that seams to have antialising in
all components) the text in titleborder 1 is wrong and in titleborder 2 is
ok, the only difference betwen them is:

TitledBorder tb1 = new TitledBorder(new LineBorder(Color.RED),"titleborder
1");
TitledBorder tb2 = new TitledBorder("titleborder 2");

In my app i use costumized sources SubtanceTextFieldUI.java (to remove the
round borders) and SubstanceTreeUI.java (to remove striping and use a
background image in trees) from substance-all.zip and the rest is from the
lib, so thats why only the components originated from substance-all.zip are
not being antialised. Nevertheless the text in TitledBorder is ok depending
on how is intanciated.




Kirill Grouchnikov wrote:

>
> Looks like the text field is not using the desktop anti-alias settings.
> Are you
> running the unmodified latest version (6.1) of Substance?
>
> Thanks
> Kirill
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: maxupixu <maxupixu@...>
> To: users@...
> Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 12:06:54 PM
> Subject: Re: font its the same but visually are different deppending on
> component
>
>
>
> i just get your font policy example and added a jtextfield:
>
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p30458320/textfield.png

>
>
> Kirill Grouchnikov wrote:
>>
>> Screenshot?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: maxupixu <maxupixu@...>
>> To: users@...
>> Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 4:25:55 AM
>> Subject: font its the same but visually are different deppending on
>> component
>>
>>
>>
>> The font settings for all components are
>>
>> family=Segoe UI,name=Segoe UI,style=plain,size=12
>>
>> but visually the text in a tree/textfield/titledborders are different
>> from
>> labels/buttons/menus.
>> In the tree/textfield/titledborders the text looks sharper and distorced
>> becoming less pleasing to read
>> than in labels/buttons/menus.
>>
>> its suppossed to be like that?
>>
>> --
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>>http://old.nabble.com/font-its-the-same-but-visually-are-different-deppending-on-component-tp30454172p30454172.html

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Re: font its the same but visually are different deppending on component

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Inject code in the build process is completely new to me...whats the plus of this?

In your build.xml and found this:

<target name="augmentation" description="inject additional behavior in UI delegates">

Injection for substanceTreeUI.java its done here? :

        <!-- Delegate augmentation -->
                <delegate-update-augment verbose="true" pattern=".*UI\u002Eclass">
                        <classpathset dir="${substance.output.dir}" />
                </delegate-update-augment>

                <delegate-augment verbose="true" pattern=".*UI\u002Eclass">
                        <classpathset dir="${substance.output.dir}" />
                </delegate-augment>

I dont understand what is being injected, could you make a brief explain how it is processed? or give an example?

install the AA settings using the RenderingUtils class
I believe anti-aliased text in 4.3 wasn't build.xml dependent as i did never had probelms before. It was using RenderingUtils.class? Should i look into 4.3 sources to see how it is installed?




Kirill Grouchnikov wrote:
There are custom build steps in the build.xml of Substance that inject common
painting code into all UI delegates. One of the things that is injected is
getting the desktop AA settings and adding those to the Graphics object before
everything is painted. If you're not doing this in your own UI delegates, you
will see aliased text rendering - which is expected.

You can either change your build script to follow the same route or explicitly
install the AA setings using the RenderingUtils class.

Thanks
Kirill





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From: maxupixu <maxupixu@gmail.com>
To: users@substance.dev.java.net
Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 4:42:05 AM
Subject: Re: font its the same but visually are different deppending on
component


Ok,

seams that substance.jar lib and substance-all.zip src code are not sync,
they both came from 6.1 download link -
https://substance.dev.java.net/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?collapseFolder=6320&folderID=12185)
 

When i compile with the src code from substance-all.zip i get this:

http://old.nabble.com/file/p30463451/from_sub61src.png 

But when  i compile with substance.jar lib i get this:

http://old.nabble.com/file/p30463451/from_sub61lib.png 

Notice that even with substance.jar lib (that seams to have antialising in
all components) the text in titleborder 1 is wrong and in titleborder 2 is
ok, the only difference betwen them is:

TitledBorder tb1 = new TitledBorder(new LineBorder(Color.RED),"titleborder
1");
TitledBorder tb2 = new TitledBorder("titleborder 2");

In my app i use costumized sources SubtanceTextFieldUI.java (to remove the
round borders) and SubstanceTreeUI.java (to remove striping and use a
background image in trees) from substance-all.zip and the rest is from the
lib, so thats why only the components originated from substance-all.zip are
not being antialised. Nevertheless the text in TitledBorder is ok depending
on how is intanciated.




Kirill Grouchnikov wrote:
>
> Looks like the text field is not using the desktop anti-alias settings.
> Are you
> running the unmodified latest version (6.1) of Substance?
>
> Thanks
> Kirill
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: maxupixu <maxupixu@gmail.com>
> To: users@substance.dev.java.net
> Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 12:06:54 PM
> Subject: Re: font its the same but visually are different deppending on
> component
>
>
>
> i just get your font policy example and added a jtextfield:
>
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p30458320/textfield.png 
>
>
> Kirill Grouchnikov wrote:
>>
>> Screenshot?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: maxupixu <maxupixu@gmail.com>
>> To: users@substance.dev.java.net
>> Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 4:25:55 AM
>> Subject: font its the same but visually are different deppending on
>> component
>>
>>
>>
>> The font settings for all components are
>>
>> family=Segoe UI,name=Segoe UI,style=plain,size=12
>>
>> but visually the text in a tree/textfield/titledborders are different
>> from
>> labels/buttons/menus.
>> In the tree/textfield/titledborders the text looks sharper and distorced
>> becoming less pleasing to read
>> than in labels/buttons/menus.
>>
>> its suppossed to be like that?
>>
>> --
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>>http://old.nabble.com/font-its-the-same-but-visually-are-different-deppending-on-component-tp30454172p30454172.html
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https://laf-widget.dev.java.net/docs/how-to-change-existing-laf.html and https://laf-widget.dev.java.net/docs/how-it-works.html should be a starting point. I did this at build time to save myself from copy-pasting the same exact code in all the UI delegates.

Version 4.3 was too long ago, and i cannot really say how it worked.

Thanks
Kirill


From: maxupixu <maxupixu@...>
To: users@...
Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:29:14 AM
Subject: Re: font its the same but visually are different deppending on component



Inject code in the build process is completely new to me...whats the plus of
this?

In your build.xml and found this:

<target name="augmentation" description="inject additional behavior in UI
delegates">

Injection for substanceTreeUI.java its done here? :

    <!-- Delegate augmentation -->
        <delegate-update-augment verbose="true" pattern=".*UI\u002Eclass">
            <classpathset dir="${substance.output.dir}" />
        </delegate-update-augment>

        <delegate-augment verbose="true" pattern=".*UI\u002Eclass">
            <classpathset dir="${substance.output.dir}" />
        </delegate-augment>

I dont understand what is being injected, could you make a brief explain how
it is processed? or give an example?

install the AA settings using the RenderingUtils class
I believe anti-aliased text in 4.3 wasn't build.xml dependent as i did never
had probelms before. It was using RenderingUtils.class? Should i look into
4.3 sources to see how it is installed?





Kirill Grouchnikov wrote:

>
> There are custom build steps in the build.xml of Substance that inject
> common
> painting code into all UI delegates. One of the things that is injected is
> getting the desktop AA settings and adding those to the Graphics object
> before
> everything is painted. If you're not doing this in your own UI delegates,
> you
> will see aliased text rendering - which is expected.
>
> You can either change your build script to follow the same route or
> explicitly
> install the AA setings using the RenderingUtils class.
>
> Thanks
> Kirill
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: maxupixu <maxupixu@...>
> To: users@...
> Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 4:42:05 AM
> Subject: Re: font its the same but visually are different deppending on
> component
>
>
> Ok,
>
> seams that substance.jar lib and substance-all.zip src code are not sync,
> they both came from 6.1 download link -
> https://substance.dev.java.net/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?collapseFolder=6320&folderID=12185)

>
> When i compile with the src code from substance-all.zip i get this:
>
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p30463451/from_sub61src.png
>
> But when  i compile with substance.jar lib i get this:
>
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p30463451/from_sub61lib.png

>
> Notice that even with substance.jar lib (that seams to have antialising in
> all components) the text in titleborder 1 is wrong and in titleborder 2 is
> ok, the only difference betwen them is:
>
> TitledBorder tb1 = new TitledBorder(new LineBorder(Color.RED),"titleborder
> 1");
> TitledBorder tb2 = new TitledBorder("titleborder 2");
>
> In my app i use costumized sources SubtanceTextFieldUI.java (to remove the
> round borders) and SubstanceTreeUI.java (to remove striping and use a
> background image in trees) from substance-all.zip and the rest is from the
> lib, so thats why only the components originated from substance-all.zip
> are
> not being antialised. Nevertheless the text in TitledBorder is ok
> depending
> on how is intanciated.
>
>
>
>
> Kirill Grouchnikov wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the text field is not using the desktop anti-alias settings.
>> Are you
>> running the unmodified latest version (6.1) of Substance?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Kirill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: maxupixu <maxupixu@...>
>> To: users@...
>> Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 12:06:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: font its the same but visually are different deppending on
>> component
>>
>>
>>
>> i just get your font policy example and added a jtextfield:
>>
>> http://old.nabble.com/file/p30458320/textfield.png

>>
>>
>> Kirill Grouchnikov wrote:
>>>
>>> Screenshot?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: maxupixu <maxupixu@...>
>>> To: users@...
>>> Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 4:25:55 AM
>>> Subject: font its the same but visually are different deppending on
>>> component
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The font settings for all components are
>>>
>>> family=Segoe UI,name=Segoe UI,style=plain,size=12
>>>
>>> but visually the text in a tree/textfield/titledborders are different
>>> from
>>> labels/buttons/menus.
>>> In the tree/textfield/titledborders the text looks sharper and distorced
>>> becoming less pleasing to read
>>> than in labels/buttons/menus.
>>>
>>> its suppossed to be like that?
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>>http://old.nabble.com/font-its-the-same-but-visually-are-different-deppending-on-component-tp30454172p30454172.html

>>>
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