fonts feature for josm and potlach

[Kenneth Gonsalves-2]

hi,

apart from the supported languages, there is no way at present to see what is
entered when using, for example, Indian scripts to enter names of features in
JOSM. All we can see is little boxes. I have tried out other java
applications, and by selecting the correct font, I am able to see the output.
If JOSM had a feature whereby one can select the font for input, it would be a
great help. I am also translating JOSM into indian languages, but given that
there are 4000 strings and highly technical ones too, this is going to take
some time. Of course one can always open the osm file in a text editor and
check the input - but that is very roundabout. (The same feature would be nice
in potlatch too where we face the same problem)
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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[Andrew Errington-2]

On Tue, November 3, 2009 12:38, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> hi,
>
> apart from the supported languages, there is no way at present to see
> what is entered when using, for example, Indian scripts to enter names of
> features in JOSM. All we can see is little boxes. I have tried out other
> java applications, and by selecting the correct font, I am able to see the
> output. If JOSM had a feature whereby one can select the font for input,
> it would be a great help.
<snip>

It sounds like there is something not quite right on your machine, or
perhaps the way Java is set up.  I run JOSM on Linux and I have Korean
fonts and a Korean text input method.  I can view Korean strings, and
enter and edit them with no problem whatsoever.  I can enter English and
Korean on the same line, even.

I suggest you look at what fonts you have installed.  Clearly you have one
that includes Indian characters.  Perhaps JOSM's font selector is using a
font that does not have Indian characters.

Since I haven't had this problem I'm not sure what causes it, or the
solution, but that's where I would start.

HTH,

Andrew


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[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Andrew Errington
<a.errington@...> wrote:

> On Tue, November 3, 2009 12:38, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> apart from the supported languages, there is no way at present to see
>> what is entered when using, for example, Indian scripts to enter names of
>> features in JOSM. All we can see is little boxes. I have tried out other
>> java applications, and by selecting the correct font, I am able to see the
>> output. If JOSM had a feature whereby one can select the font for input,
>> it would be a great help.
> <snip>
>
> It sounds like there is something not quite right on your machine, or
> perhaps the way Java is set up.  I run JOSM on Linux and I have Korean
> fonts and a Korean text input method.  I can view Korean strings, and
> enter and edit them with no problem whatsoever.  I can enter English and
> Korean on the same line, even.
>
> I suggest you look at what fonts you have installed.  Clearly you have one
> that includes Indian characters.  Perhaps JOSM's font selector is using a
> font that does not have Indian characters.

Yes, this is clearly a problem with Kenneth Gonsalves's computer and
not with any of the software mentioned. I can use Potlatch, JOSM and
the OSM website just fine with languages like Japanase, Korean and
Telugu.

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[Andrew Errington-2]

On Wed, November 4, 2009 22:10, �var Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Andrew Errington
> <a.errington@...> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, November 3, 2009 12:38, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> apart from the supported languages, there is no way at present to see
>>>  what is entered when using, for example, Indian scripts to enter
>>> names of features in JOSM. All we can see is little boxes. I have
>>> tried out other java applications, and by selecting the correct font,
>>> I am able to see the
>>> output. If JOSM had a feature whereby one can select the font for
>>> input, it would be a great help.
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>> It sounds like there is something not quite right on your machine, or
>> perhaps the way Java is set up.  I run JOSM on Linux and I have Korean
>> fonts and a Korean text input method.  I can view Korean strings, and
>> enter and edit them with no problem whatsoever.  I can enter English
>> and Korean on the same line, even.
>>
>>
>> I suggest you look at what fonts you have installed.  Clearly you have
>> one that includes Indian characters.  Perhaps JOSM's font selector is
>> using a font that does not have Indian characters.
>
> Yes, this is clearly a problem with Kenneth Gonsalves's computer and
> not with any of the software mentioned. I can use Potlatch, JOSM and the
> OSM website just fine with languages like Japanase, Korean and
> Telugu.
>

It's not quite as simple as that.  Here I have two computers.  One running
Korean Windows XP, the other running Linux.  On the XP machine the Indian
names are properly rendered as text in Firefox when viewing the data layer
at OSM.  Potlatch will also show Indian script for the tags of selected
objects, and I can cut and paste Indian text to a new tag (I can't type
it, because I don't have an Indian input method).  JOSM however will not
display Indian text in the vector area, nor for object tags or in the
input boxes.

On the Linux machine, Indian tags are rendered properly in my browser when
viewing the data layer, but neither Potlatch or JOSM will display them
properly.  Potlatch shows dots for each Indian character, JOSM shows
squares.

What is needed IMHO is a description of *how* JOSM and Potlatch renders
other languages, so that an individual can set up their own machine with
the correct fonts and settings to make it work.  It's all very well to say
"It works for me" (as I did with my Korean anecdotal evidence), but
without knowing *why* it works we can't say why it doesn't work for
someone else.

Best wishes,

Andrew


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[Richard Fairhurst]

Andrew Errington wrote:
> What is needed IMHO is a description of *how* JOSM and Potlatch
> renders other languages

Potlatch uses Flash Player's keyboard input, Flash Player's text rendering, Flash Player's Unicode handling. That is all.

There is absolutely no language-specific code in there, it leaves it all up to the Flash Player runtime. The only extra code in that general area is the workaround I coded to fix the long-standing Linux Flash Player bug with entering non-ASCII text (aka Adobe bug FP-40).

cheers
Richard

[Kenneth Gonsalves-2]

On Thursday 05 Nov 2009 5:30:31 am Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Andrew Errington wrote:
> > What is needed IMHO is a description of how JOSM and Potlatch
> > renders other languages
>
> Potlatch uses Flash Player's keyboard input, Flash Player's text rendering,
> Flash Player's Unicode handling. That is all.
>
so I need to investigate whether flash player has indic support
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Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
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http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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