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fractalsHi all.
Just found: http://nsac.ca/envsci/staff/vnams/Fractal.htm Does anybody know of a similar implementation with free software? All the best. pc -- Paolo Cavallini, see: * http://www.faunalia.it/pc * _______________________________________________ AniMov mailing list AniMov@... http://www.faunalia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animov |
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Re: fractalsIn un messaggio del Friday 30 January 2009, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto:
> Hi all. > Just found: http://nsac.ca/envsci/staff/vnams/Fractal.htm > Does anybody know of a similar implementation with free software? > All the best. > pc Nope :( Vilis Nams produced _lots_ of software (even for the Palm V!) but none of them free, or based on something different from Windows... Anyway, here at my research group, we're facing a similar "Nams-originated" problem. since the most used triangulation software (Locate III) is grom the same author and suffers the same problem. I use Fractal, and the algorithms are rather well clear, both in the documentation and in the related papers... since Clément _has_ several movement ecology tools in adehabitat (the traj class and all trajectory-rerlated stuff IMHO are a good base to start with), a further AniMov project could be to add fractal movement analysis estimators... ...lots of stuff to do! a nice week to all the list. -- L'inutilita' del primo Diluvio dissuase Dio dal mandarne un secondo. -- Nicolas de Chamfort ----------------------------------------------------------- Damiano G. Preatoni, PhD Unità di Analisi e Gestione delle Risorse Ambientali Dipartimento Ambiente-Salute-Sicurezza Università degli Studi dell'Insubria Via J.H. Dunant, 3 - 21100 Varese (ITALY) tel +39 0332421538 fax +39 0332421446 http://biocenosi.dipbsf.uninsubria.it/ ICQ: 78690321 jabber: prea@... skype: prea.net ----------------------------------------------------------- Please consider the environment before printing this email Please do not send attachments in proprietary formats http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Use the UNI CEI Standard ISO/IEC 26300:2006 ----------------------------------------------------------- O< stop html mail - http://www.asciiribbon.org _______________________________________________ AniMov mailing list AniMov@... http://www.faunalia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animov |
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Re: fractalsHi all,
> I use Fractal, and the algorithms are rather well clear, both in the > documentation and in the related papers... since Clément _has_ several > movement ecology tools in adehabitat (the traj class and all > trajectory-rerlated stuff IMHO are a good base to start with), a further > AniMov project could be to add fractal movement analysis estimators... When we added tools to analyse animal trajectories in adehabitat, we considered whether we had to include estimators of fractal dimension. Indeed, fractal dimension seems at first sight to be an interesting measure of the tortuosity of animal movements. In addition, the papers of Nams are very interesting in that respect, in that they provide examples of how this measure could possibly be used. However, it is not that clear what fractal dimension represents biologically, and a clear theoretical framework underlying its use in practical analysis is lacking (research is still needed here, IMHO). The fractal dimension corresponds to the ability of fractal objects to fill Euclidean spaces in which they are embedded (Halley et al., 2004). In our case, it measures the ability of fractal trajectories to fill the plane. Thus, a trajectory with a fractal dimension equal to 2 should fill the plane. However, fractal dimension only have a clear meaning when calculated on fractal objects, i.e. self-similar objects (objects that "look the same" whatever the scale at which we look at them). Benhamou (2004) notes that measuring the fractal dimension of a non-fractal object has no meaning and is therefore only liable to generate artifactual results. However, Nams (2005) proposes a use of the fractal D which does not assume that the studied object is fractal; in other words, D is no longer the fractal dimension (since D is a fractal dimension only when objects are fractal) , but simply a measure of the tortuosity of animal movements. However, as noted by Benhamou (2004): "a strong mathematical argument against the use of the apparent fractal dimension F (as computed from the local slope of the log–log relation) to measure the path tortuosity was provided paradoxally by Nams (1996) in a paper advocating the opposite point of view. (...) F is no more than a monotonously decreasing function of the mean cosine of turning angles c (...) The decrease of the local slope (equal to 1 - F ; from 0 to -1) is eventually the simple reflect of the decrease (from 1 to 0) of the mean cosine of turning angles". The fractal dimension eventually turns out to be a measure of the tortuosity related to the mean cosine of turning angles, which is easier to compute (especially given that the turning angles are automatically computed when objects of class "ltraj" are created), and easier to interpret (see Benhamou 2004). In addition, there is a much larger literature on the mathematical properties of the mean cosine and related measures (all the literature on circular statistics, e.g. Batschelet 1981 or Jammalamadaka and SenGupta 2001), which render the mean cosine more practical to use in all days analysis. Because of (i) all the drawbacks described by Halley et al. (2004) and Turchin (1996) when we suppose that the studied trajectories are fractal, and (ii) the more abundant literature documenting the properties of closely related measures or tortuosity with a clearer biological meaning, we decided not to include the fractal dimension as a measure of tortuosity in adehabitat. Of course, that is not to say that I think that the fractal dimension is useless, but rather that I do not clearly see how it can be used presently (I would of course appreciate pointers). However, if you think that fractal dimension can bring more than "classical" measures of tortuosity, it should be quite easily computed in R: the function redisltraj in adehabitat can be used to rediscretize the trajectory with different step sizes (returning objects of class "ltraj", see ?redisltraj), and because objects of class "ltraj" store the lengths of the steps, fractal dimension could be easily computed... For additional details on the class "ltraj" and its use, see: Calenge, C., Dray, S. and Royer-Carenzi, M. 2009. The concept of animals' trajectories from a data analysis perspective. Ecological informatics, in press. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B7W63-4V28T4D-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=1a4a3e6e0ad0be0d8e81f8f2bbf2209d Literature cited: Batschelet, E. 1981. Circular statistics in biology. Academic Press, London. Benhamou, S. 2004. How to reliably estimate the tortuosity of an animal's path: straightness, sinuosity, or fractal dimension? Journal of Theoretical Biology, 229, 209-220. Halley, J.M. and Hartley, S. and Kallimanis, A.S. and Kunin, W.E. and Lennon, J.J. and Sgardelis, S.P. 2004. Uses and abuses of fractal methodology in ecology. Ecology Letters, 7, 254-271. Jammalamadaka, S.R. and SenGupta, A. 2001. Topics in circular statistics. Series on Multivariate analysis. World scientific, London, Nams, V.O. 2005. Using animal movements paths to measure response to spatial scale. Oecologia,143, 179-188. Nams, V.O. 1996. The VFractal: a new estimator for fractal dimension of animal movement path, Landscape Ecology, 11, 289-297. Turchin, P. 1996. Fractal analyses of animal movement: a critique. Ecology, 77, 2086-2090. Hope this helps, Clément Calenge. -- Clément CALENGE Office national de la chasse et de la faune sauvage Saint Benoist - 78610 Auffargis tel. 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Re: fractalsClément Calenge ha scritto:
> Hi all, ... > Hope this helps, Clément: extremely interesting, as always! Would you mind to add these considerations to the AniMove wiki for future reference? All the best. pc -- Paolo Cavallini, see: * http://www.faunalia.it/pc * _______________________________________________ AniMov mailing list AniMov@... http://www.faunalia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animov |
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Re: fractalsIn un messaggio del Wednesday 04 February 2009, Clément Calenge ha scritto:
First, thank you Clément for the concise review! Some comments follow... [snip] > However, Nams (2005) proposes a use of the fractal D which does not > assume that the studied object is fractal; in other words, D is no > longer the fractal dimension (since D is a fractal dimension only when > objects are fractal) , but simply a measure of the tortuosity of animal > movements. However, as noted by Benhamou (2004): > "a strong mathematical argument against the use of the apparent fractal > dimension F (as computed from the local slope of the log–log relation) > to measure the path tortuosity was provided paradoxally by Nams (1996) > in a paper advocating the opposite point of view. (...) F is no more > than a monotonously decreasing function of the mean cosine of turning > angles c (...) The decrease of the local slope (equal to 1 - F ; from 0 > to -1) is eventually the simple reflect of the decrease (from 1 to 0) of > the mean cosine of turning angles". > Of course, that is not to say that I think that the fractal dimension is > useless, but rather that I do not clearly see how it can be used > presently (I would of course appreciate pointers). This is a first point: I've used Nams' FRACTAL on several species up to now, that is Brown bear, the Alpine Ibex, Leisler's noctule and a putativa invasive bird species (Paradoxornis webbianus). I found the vFractal estimator rather useful to have an idea not just of the 'path tortuosity', but of the scale level at which 'search patterns' occur. The results achieved are quite interesting, i.e. Brown bears released in NE Italy showed significant differences in D calculated in the release year and in subsequent years, Ibexes showed a 'random walk peak' in the D-vs-scale diagram ad about 1 km (which does make perfect sense for an Ibex) and P. webbianus, already known as a short distamce mover, showed a 300 to 500 m search range. I found this very useful to have an idea of the scale of habitat perceprtion by a species, and since I run all my analyses in R (what else? :) I'm annoyed to go back and forth from FRACTAL to adehabitat. This could be an example of fractal dimension use (...hope so...) > The fractal dimension eventually turns out to be a measure of the > tortuosity related to the mean cosine of turning angles, which is easier > to compute (especially given that the turning angles are automatically > computed when objects of class "ltraj" are created), and easier to > interpret (see Benhamou 2004). In addition, there is a much larger > literature on the mathematical properties of the mean cosine and related > measures (all the literature on circular statistics, e.g. Batschelet > 1981 or Jammalamadaka and SenGupta 2001), which render the mean cosine > more practical to use in all days analysis. This is definitely true. I have some (yet) unpublished data on NE Italy brovn bears where the correlation between mean cosines showed an interesting pattern when comparing autochtonous Slovenian bears (n=49) with the 9 reintroduced in Trentino: in this case D wasn't enough, since the 'radius pr habitat perception' was not significantly different... but from a certain scale level (something like 20 km, I'd have to recheck my data), in the Slovenian population the correlation coefficients started to be negative, whereas in Trentino they stayed > 0, i.e. over a certain distance, slovenian bears "did turn back", and reintroduced italian bears still showed an exploratory pattern. IMHO, both D and r(cosine) are useful tools, and maybe worth to be offered as a tool (volounteers needed? :) in adehabitat... I missed Turchin paper and I'll give it a read... I love "countering" papers :) -- It is almost impossible to make something "idiot-proof". Idiots are so resourceful... ----------------------------------------------------------- Damiano G. Preatoni, PhD Unità di Analisi e Gestione delle Risorse Ambientali Dipartimento Ambiente-Salute-Sicurezza Università degli Studi dell'Insubria Via J.H. Dunant, 3 - 21100 Varese (ITALY) tel +39 0332421538 fax +39 0332421446 http://biocenosi.dipbsf.uninsubria.it/ ICQ: 78690321 jabber: prea@... skype: prea.net ----------------------------------------------------------- Please consider the environment before printing this email Please do not send attachments in proprietary formats http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Use the UNI CEI Standard ISO/IEC 26300:2006 ----------------------------------------------------------- O< stop html mail - http://www.asciiribbon.org _______________________________________________ AniMov mailing list AniMov@... http://www.faunalia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animov |
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Re: fractalsPaolo Cavallini wrote:
> Clément Calenge ha scritto: > >> Hi all, >> > ... > >> Hope this helps, >> > > Clément: extremely interesting, as always! > Would you mind to add these considerations to the AniMove wiki for > future reference? > All the best. > pc > No problem! I will wait until this week-end before adding these elements to the wiki (in addition, this will let some time to potential contradictors to reply to the mail). All the best, Clément -- Clément CALENGE Office national de la chasse et de la faune sauvage Saint Benoist - 78610 Auffargis tel. (33) 01.30.46.54.14 _______________________________________________ AniMov mailing list AniMov@... http://www.faunalia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animov |
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Re: fractalsOn Wednesday 04 February 2009 10:42:40 Damiano G. Preatoni wrote:
[heavy snip] > IMHO, both D and r(cosine) are useful tools, and maybe worth to be offered > as a tool (volounteers needed? :) in adehabitat... I'm going to submit this (re)implementation as Google Summer of Code [0] application [0,1]. best regards, Anne Ghisla [0] http://code.google.com/soc/2008 [1] https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-devel/2009-February/052020.html -- Please consider the environment before printing this email Please do not send attachments in proprietary formats http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Use the UNI CEI Standard ISO/IEC 26300:2006 ----------------------------------------------------------- O< stop html mail - http://www.asciiribbon.org _______________________________________________ AniMov mailing list AniMov@... http://www.faunalia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animov |
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Re: fractalsHi Damiano,
> This is a first point: I've used Nams' FRACTAL on several species up to now, > that is Brown bear, the Alpine Ibex, Leisler's noctule and a putativa > invasive bird species (Paradoxornis webbianus). > I found the vFractal estimator rather useful to have an idea not just of > the 'path tortuosity', but of the scale level at which 'search patterns' > occur. The results achieved are quite interesting, i.e. Brown bears released > in NE Italy showed significant differences in D calculated in the release > year and in subsequent years, Ibexes showed a 'random walk peak' in the > D-vs-scale diagram ad about 1 km (which does make perfect sense for an Ibex) > and P. webbianus, already known as a short distamce mover, showed a 300 to > 500 m search range. > I found this very useful to have an idea of the scale of habitat perceprtion > by a species, and since I run all my analyses in R (what else? :) I'm annoyed > to go back and forth from FRACTAL to adehabitat. > > This could be an example of fractal dimension use (...hope so...) > Many thanks for this answer, you made a very interesting point. Actually, my point of view is anchored in the field of statistical tools development for animal movement analysis, and I sometimes overlook the need of biologists in practical studies. I of course acknowledge that this approach could be used presently with benefits as a heuristic tool, to explore scale-related patterns in the trajectory. However, this leads to an interesting question from a theoretical point of view: the fractal D has a clear mathematical meaning only when objects are self-similar (same properties at large and small scale), and from an "applied studies" point of view, this measure is mainly used on objects which are not self-similar, precisely to study this deviation from self-similarity, and the scale at which this deviation occurs (but IMHO, we should not call it "fractal" D in this context). What I do not understand is why a parameter measuring a property on one category of objects would necessarily be a meaningful measure of the deviation of one object from this category? The main argument of Nams (2005; Oecologia 143: 179-188), a strong one actually, is an empirical observation: all the simulations he did seem to confirm that D changes continuously within domains, and that discontinuity occur at domain changes (under the hypothesis of spatial homogeneity of the trajectory). Both your successes in using this approach and this empirical argument make the approach interesting for multiscale analysis (together with the present lack of alternative approaches in the ecological literature). This is a bit off-topic, so I do not pursue further, but I think that more theoretical research may be needed here to establish clearly the theoretical foundations of this approach, which would define the context on which it relies (hypotheses on which it relies, required properties for the trajectories, etc.; but I may have missed such work in the literature)... Best wishes, Clément Calenge -- Clément CALENGE Office national de la chasse et de la faune sauvage Saint Benoist - 78610 Auffargis tel. (33) 01.30.46.54.14 _______________________________________________ AniMov mailing list AniMov@... http://www.faunalia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animov |
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Re: fractalsIn un messaggio del Thursday 05 February 2009, hai scritto:
> Hi Damiano, > > > This is a first point: I've used Nams' FRACTAL on several species up to > > now, that is Brown bear, the Alpine Ibex, Leisler's noctule and a > > putativa invasive bird species (Paradoxornis webbianus). > > I found the vFractal estimator rather useful to have an idea not just of > > the 'path tortuosity', but of the scale level at which 'search patterns' > > occur. The results achieved are quite interesting, i.e. Brown bears > > released in NE Italy showed significant differences in D calculated in > > the release year and in subsequent years, Ibexes showed a 'random walk > > peak' in the D-vs-scale diagram ad about 1 km (which does make perfect > > sense for an Ibex) and P. webbianus, already known as a short distamce > > mover, showed a 300 to 500 m search range. > > I found this very useful to have an idea of the scale of habitat > > perceprtion by a species, and since I run all my analyses in R (what > > else? :) I'm annoyed to go back and forth from FRACTAL to adehabitat. > > > > This could be an example of fractal dimension use (...hope so...) > > Many thanks for this answer, you made a very interesting point. > Actually, my point of view is anchored in the field of statistical tools > development for animal movement analysis, and I sometimes overlook the > need of biologists in practical studies. I of course acknowledge that > this approach could be used presently with benefits as a heuristic tool, > to explore scale-related patterns in the trajectory. person in a field-oriented reseach group... contamination is always friutful, isnt'it? :) We rely on people that 'just writes software tools', but this kind of feedback IMHO is necessary to have better and really usable tools! > However, this leads to an interesting question from a theoretical point > of view: the fractal D has a clear mathematical meaning only when > objects are self-similar (same properties at large and small scale), and > from an "applied studies" point of view, this measure is mainly used on > objects which are not self-similar, precisely to study this deviation > from self-similarity, and the scale at which this deviation occurs (but > IMHO, we should not call it "fractal" D in this context). What I do not > understand is why a parameter measuring a property on one category of > objects would necessarily be a meaningful measure of the deviation of > one object from this category? > > The main argument of Nams (2005; Oecologia 143: 179-188), a strong one > actually, is an empirical observation: all the simulations he did seem > to confirm that D changes continuously within domains, and that > discontinuity occur at domain changes (under the hypothesis of spatial > homogeneity of the trajectory). Both your successes in using this > approach and this empirical argument make the approach interesting for > multiscale analysis (together with the present lack of alternative > approaches in the ecological literature). already discused in Millspaugh & Marzluff 2001 (chap 6). As I wrote above, I'm half a theoretician (my, 25%?) and half an applied biologist, so I try to adapt the existing theoretical frameworks to our daily chores... > This is a bit off-topic, so I do not pursue further, but I think that > more theoretical research may be needed here to establish clearly the > theoretical foundations of this approach, which would define the context > on which it relies (hypotheses on which it relies, required properties > for the trajectories, etc.; but I may have missed such work in the > literature)... Not of topic at all, IMHO... just about off-topics, what about proposing a Google Summer of Code project either for a vFractal implementation in adehabitat? all the best -- Se i fatti e la teoria non concordano, cambia i fatti. -- Albert Einstein ----------------------------------------------------------- Damiano G. Preatoni, PhD Unità di Analisi e Gestione delle Risorse Ambientali Dipartimento Ambiente-Salute-Sicurezza Università degli Studi dell'Insubria Via J.H. Dunant, 3 - 21100 Varese (ITALY) tel +39 0332421538 fax +39 0332421446 http://biocenosi.dipbsf.uninsubria.it/ ICQ: 78690321 jabber: prea@... skype: prea.net ----------------------------------------------------------- Please consider the environment before printing this email Please do not send attachments in proprietary formats http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Use the UNI CEI Standard ISO/IEC 26300:2006 ----------------------------------------------------------- O< stop html mail - http://www.asciiribbon.org _______________________________________________ AniMov mailing list AniMov@... http://www.faunalia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animov |
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