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Re: Not able to reach the freebsdfoundation

2009-12-11T02:59:00Z

2009/12/11 Leslie Jensen <leslie@...>:

>
>
> I'm trying to contact the email address displayed on the freebsdfoundation's
> homepage but I get the error below:
>
>
> The mail system
>
> <board@...>: host foundation.freebsd.org[69.147.83.42]
> said:
> 452 4.3.1 Insufficient system storage (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
>
>
> Can anyone on this list help me?
>
>
>
> PS: it's about the java download page.
> -----------------------------------------
> On the page
>
> http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml
>
> There's no links for packages or tarballs for FreeBSD version 8.0.

Given 8.0 was released only two weeks ago, you may find it takes a
little while for the testing and certification process.

Tony
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Not able to reach the freebsdfoundation

2009-12-11T00:31:32Z

I'm trying to contact the email address displayed on the
freebsdfoundation's homepage but I get the error below:

The mail system

<board@...>: host foundation.freebsd.org[69.147.83.42]
said:
452 4.3.1 Insufficient system storage (in reply to MAIL FROM command)

Can anyone on this list help me?

PS: it's about the java download page.
-----------------------------------------
On the page

http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml

There's no links for packages or tarballs for FreeBSD version 8.0.
---------------------------------------------

Thanks

/Leslie
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Re: FreeNAS moves from FreeBSD to Debian Linux ?

2009-12-07T07:16:01Z

On 07/12/09 14:06 +0100, Rodrigo OSORIO (ros) wrote:

>
> Bad news,
>
> According with Slashdot[1] the freeNAS project plans to disconinue the FreeBSD based system
> and moves to Debian Linux. A concurent project called coreNAS was started by the FreeNAS main
> developer Volker Theile.
>
> - rodrigo
>
> [1] http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/06/152205
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Hi,

Looks like people on Slashdot post a little bit faster, news comming from the FreeBSD
world are more pleasant.
http://www.freebsdnews.net/2009/12/05/freenas-ready-step/

regards,

Rodrigo
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FreeNAS moves from FreeBSD to Debian Linux ?

2009-12-07T05:06:58Z

Bad news,

According with Slashdot[1] the freeNAS project plans to disconinue the FreeBSD based system
and moves to Debian Linux. A concurent project called coreNAS was started by the FreeNAS main
developer Volker Theile.

- rodrigo

[1] http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/06/152205
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Re: Future of comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce Newsgroup

2009-12-05T11:10:00Z

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, David Wolfskill wrote:

> It would, however, make sense from my perspective if a unidirectional
> gateway were set up (mail => news -- note direction!), and the newsgroup
> were to become merely a reflector of the mailing list.

In case it is needed, I do run a news server, and would be most willing to
put a uni-directional posting filter onto that mailing list, so that mail
gets there ... just let me know if this is what is decided / needed ...

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Re: Future of comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce Newsgroup

2009-12-04T14:29:29Z

On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 09:25:11AM +1100, John Marshall wrote:

> ...
> Thank you for your responses. Jordan subsequently replied to my email
> and CC'd the FreeBSD Core Team. Core has nominated philip@ to succeed
> jhk@ as moderator of the .announce newsgroup.
>
> Philip intends to funnel messages from -announce@ into the .announce
> newsgroup. I think that liaison between philip@ and postmaster@ on the
> mechanics of this process would be good.
>
> Thank you for helping (re)establish an official presence for FreeBSD on
> USENET.

Glad to help; that's why I'm here.

I'm pretty sure Philip knows how to reach postmaster@. :-}

Thanks again for taking the initiative to address the matter.

Peace,
david (postmaster@... hat lying about somewhere near here)
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Re: Future of comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce Newsgroup

2009-12-04T14:25:11Z

On Fri, 04 Dec 2009, 14:46 +0100, Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav wrote:
> David Wolfskill <david@...> writes:
> > It would, however, make sense from my perspective if a unidirectional
> > gateway were set up (mail => news -- note direction!), and the newsgroup
> > were to become merely a reflector of the mailing list.
>
> ...and that would be sufficient for -announce.

Gentlemen,

Thank you for your responses. Jordan subsequently replied to my email
and CC'd the FreeBSD Core Team. Core has nominated philip@ to succeed
jhk@ as moderator of the .announce newsgroup.

Philip intends to funnel messages from -announce@ into the .announce
newsgroup. I think that liaison between philip@ and postmaster@ on the
mechanics of this process would be good.

Thank you for helping (re)establish an official presence for FreeBSD on
USENET.

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Re: Future of comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce Newsgroup

2009-12-04T05:46:17Z

David Wolfskill <david@...> writes:
> But my recollection is that *bidirectional* gateways (news <=> mail) are
> rather difficult to "get right" and the consequences of misconfiguration
> tend toward "cascade failure."

They're not trivial to get right "from first principles", but they're
very common, and I'm sure someone who's done it before can lend a hand.

> It would, however, make sense from my perspective if a unidirectional
> gateway were set up (mail => news -- note direction!), and the newsgroup
> were to become merely a reflector of the mailing list.

...and that would be sufficient for -announce.

DES
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Re: Future of comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce Newsgroup

2009-12-04T05:04:43Z

On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 04:41:56PM +1100, John Marshall wrote:
> ...
> I suggest that the FreeBSD Project:
> 1. Respond to the MVI proposing a new moderator for the newsgroup;
> 2. Arrange for the freebsd-announce mailing list to be gated to
> the newsgroup (since that fits the newsgroup's charter).

I haven't paid attention to netnews in several years, so my perspective
may well be biased.

And I haven't actually paid attention to the issues involved in running
a news site for most of the last couple of decades.

But my recollection is that *bidirectional* gateways (news <=> mail) are
rather difficult to "get right" and the consequences of misconfiguration
tend toward "cascade failure."

It would, however, make sense from my perspective if a unidirectional
gateway were set up (mail => news -- note direction!), and the newsgroup
were to become merely a reflector of the mailing list.

In that scenario, it would not be possible to "post" directly the
newsgroup -- and I believe that would be appropriate.

> ...
> I am happy to help if necessary but somebody like the -announce mailing
> list moderator is probably more appropriate. I have never done any
> mail-to-news stuff but I could learn.
>
> - I mailed jkh@ on 30-Nov and got no response.
> - I mailed freebsd-www@ on 01-Dec and got no response.
> ....

Thank you for your efforts so far.

Peace,
david (postmaster@... hat lying about nearby)
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Future of comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce Newsgroup

2009-12-03T21:41:56Z

Gentlemen,

Sorry if this topic is inappropriate for this mailing list - please
point me in the right direction if so, or pass this on to the
appropriate hat.

Readers of the FreeBSD web site and handbook are directed to the the
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce newsgroup. This newsgroup, created in
1995 and moderated by Jordan Hubbard, is inactive and under threat of
extinction.

The newsgroup folks have started their "Moderator Vacancy Investigation"
(MVI) process for this newsgroup and unless a replacement moderator is
appointed the group will probably be removed.

I suggest that the FreeBSD Project:
1. Respond to the MVI proposing a new moderator for the newsgroup;
2. Arrange for the freebsd-announce mailing list to be gated to
the newsgroup (since that fits the newsgroup's charter).

Extract from the MVI...

----------------------------------------------------------------
CHARTER OF COMP.UNIX.BSD.FREEBSD.ANNOUNCE

Moderated by Jordan Hubbard <jkh@...>

This newsgroup is for announcements relating to the
FreeBSD operating system. Things appropriate for the
.announce group would include announcements of new
versions of FreeBSD, announcements of major software
releases (both commercial and freely redistributable)
for FreeBSD (e.g. new version of X11 for FreeBSD),
announcements of fixes for major bugs, and the like.
FAQs relating to FreeBSD should also be cross-posted to
this group.

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce is a moderated newsgroup which
passed its vote for creation by 338:69 as reported in
news.announce.newgroups on 22 Feb 1995.
----------------------------------------------------------------

I am happy to help if necessary but somebody like the -announce mailing
list moderator is probably more appropriate. I have never done any
mail-to-news stuff but I could learn.

- I mailed jkh@ on 30-Nov and got no response.
- I mailed freebsd-www@ on 01-Dec and got no response.

Thank you.

Regards,

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Re: advocacy/141064: jhtaoppk

2009-12-01T10:52:57Z

Synopsis: jhtaoppk

State-Changed-From-To: open->closed
State-Changed-By: ehaupt
State-Changed-When: Tue Dec 1 19:52:48 CET 2009
State-Changed-Why:
SPAM

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=141064
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advocacy/141064: jhtaoppk

2009-12-01T10:32:24Z

>Number: 141064
>Category: advocacy
>Synopsis: jhtaoppk
>Confidential: no
>Severity: serious
>Priority: high
>Responsible: freebsd-advocacy
>State: open
>Quarter:
>Keywords:
>Date-Required:
>Class: sw-bug
>Submitter-Id: current-users
>Arrival-Date: Tue Dec 01 18:40:02 UTC 2009
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator: jhtaoppk
>Release: jhtaoppk
>Organization:

jhtaoppk
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BSDCan 2010

2009-11-30T18:04:46Z

Hello folks,

BSDCan 2010 will be held 13-14 May, 2010 in Ottawa at the University of
Ottawa. It will be preceded by two days of tutorials on 11-12 May.

We are now accepting proposals for talks.

The talks should be designed with a very strong technical content bias.
Proposals of a business development or marketing nature are not
appropriate for this venue.

If you are doing something interesting with a BSD operating system,
please submit a proposal. Whether you are developing a very complex
system using BSD as the foundation, or helping others and have a story
to tell about how BSD played a role, we want to hear about your
experience. People using BSD as a platform for research are also
encouraged to submit a proposal. Possible topics include:

* How we manage a giant installation with respect to handling spam.
* and/or sysadmin.
* and/or networking.

From the BSDCan website, the Archives section will allow you to review
the wide variety of past BSDCan presentations as further examples.

Both users and developers are encouraged to share their experiences.

The schedule is:

19 Dec 2009 Proposal acceptance begins
19 Jan 2010 Proposal acceptance ends
19 Feb 2010 Confirmation of accepted proposals

See also <http://www.bsdcan.org/2010/papers.php>

Instructions for submitting a proposal to BSDCan 2010 are available
from: <http://www.bsdcan.org/2010/submissions.php>

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Re: FreeBSD events : two new events in 2010

2009-11-16T23:29:35Z

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:55:44PM +0100, Rodrigo (ros) wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I didn't remember if there is a formal way to do this (maybe an xml),
> but here are the up-to-date
> informations for two majors events who takes place in France in 2010 .
>
> I add some extra links for each one (upcomming and website) just like
> the other events listed
> in the website.
>
> If I do a mistake or an error, please notify me.
>

Added to the events page, thanks!

- Christian

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FreeBSD events : two new events in 2010

2009-11-16T14:55:44Z

Hi all,

I didn't remember if there is a formal way to do this (maybe an xml),
but here are the up-to-date
informations for two majors events who takes place in France in 2010 .

I add some extra links for each one (upcomming and website) just like
the other events listed
in the website.

If I do a mistake or an error, please notify me.

regards,
- Rodrigo

--------
Solutions Linux 2010, Paris Expo, Paris, France
16 March - 18 March, 2010
A 3 days event to promote GNU/Linux and Open Source Software to
companies. As usual, a French FreeBSD User Group will be there to
promote FreeBSD. The access to the event is free of charge.

http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/4884543/
http://www.solutionslinux.fr/
-------
11th Libre Software Meeting, Bordeaux, France
6 - 11 July, 2010
The Libre Software Meeting has occurred each year since July 2000. This
year there will again be a FreeBSD boot camp to introduce new users to
the Operating System.

http://2010.rmll.info/
-------

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Re: Nov 7 TODAY & Nov 22 - Join Global FreeSW BSD GNU(Linux) HW Culture meeting via VOIP - BerkeleyTIP GlobalTIP - For Forwarding

2009-11-08T05:10:37Z

what do you want?
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Nov 7 TODAY & Nov 22 - Join Global FreeSW BSD GNU(Linux) HW Culture meeting via VOIP - BerkeleyTIP GlobalTIP - For Forwarding

2009-11-07T04:07:45Z

CONTENTS: Meeting days/times & Howto - Mark your calendar's dates;
Videos; Hot topics; Opportunities; Announcement Flyers; New webpages

=====
Come join in with the Global Free SW HW & Culture community at the
BerkeleyTIP/GlobalTIP meeting, via VOIP.

Two meetings this month:
Sat Nov 7, 12Noon - 3PM Pacific Time (=UTC-8)
Sun Nov 22, 12Noon - 3PM Pacific Time (=UTC-8)
Mark your calendars, 1st Sat, 3rd Sun every month.
{Note: 4th Sunday this November, to give 2 week spacing.}

Join online #berkeleytip on irc.freenode.net
& we'll help you get your voip HW & SW working:
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/remote-attendance
Or come to the FreeSpeech Cafe at UC Berkeley in person meeting.

Join the global mailing list
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

I hope to see you there. :)

===== Talk Videos for November 2009:
Django Development - Richard Kiss, Eddy Mulyono, Glen Jarvis, Simeon
Franklin; BayPiggies
Python for scientific research, discussion with Guido van Rossum;
UCBSciPy
Netbooks - Michael Gorven, Dave Mackie, and Jonathan Carter; CLUG
Japan Linux Symposium Keynote, Linus Torvalds & Jim Zemlin; Linux
Foundation

http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/talk-videos
Download & watch them before the meetings, discuss at the meetings.

Thanks to all the Speakers, Videographers, & Groups! :)
[Record your local meeting! Put the video online, & email me for
inclusion for next month. :) ]

===== Hot topics: Ubuntu 9.10 - Problems? Fixes? Upgrade? Install?
Freeswitch VOIP server - setup for BTIP
Flyers & outreach to UCBerkeley.
Outreach to other UC campuses next semester.

===== Opportunities - Learn new, or increase your job skills, &/or
volunteer & help the community: Set up any of: a BTIP Mailing List, web
server/site, Freeswitch VOIP server, or Virtual Private Network & SSL

===== Announcement Flyers: Print & Post them in your community. 4/5
available - Freedom, Karmic Koala, Free Culture, SciPy, OLPC. See bottom
of page: http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

===== New BTIP Webpages @ http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/
UC Campus local groups; Free Hardware; System Administration;
Announcement Flyers; Opportunities

For Forwarding - You are invited to forward this announcement wherever
it would be appreciated.
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Re: Jan Husar wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn

2009-11-05T11:16:37Z

Jan Husar wrote:
> sorry, somebody hijacked my linkedin account and sending invitations ;/
>
> Jan
>

Hi Jan,

np, already noticed it.

Best regards, Daniel

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Re: Jan Husar wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn

2009-11-05T11:14:55Z

sorry, somebody hijacked my linkedin account and sending invitations ;/

Jan

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On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Jan Husar <jan.husar@...> wrote:

> LinkedIn
> ------------
>
> Jan Husar requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn:
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Johnny,
>
> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.
>
> - Jan Husar
>
> Accept invitation from Jan Husar
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/Ajt62mGBQsM_TP34W8VnJ-qbbjjR7xPEAD7tpgxaXUi/blk/I1561909230_2/pmpxnSRJrSdvj4R5fnhv9ClRsDgZp6lQs6lzoQ5AomZIpn8_cBYMcP8Vc3ANdzkNiiZmoRB4iQ98qiYMejgPe3AOd3wLrCBxbOYWrSlI/EML_comm_afe/
>
> View invitation from Jan Husar
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/Ajt62mGBQsM_TP34W8VnJ-qbbjjR7xPEAD7tpgxaXUi/blk/I1561909230_2/39vc3cOej0VcjoRckALqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/
> ------------------------------------------
>
> DID YOU KNOW that LinkedIn can find the answers to your most difficult
> questions? Post those vexing questions on LinkedIn Answers to tap into the
> knowledge of the world's foremost business experts:
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/ask/inv-23/
>
>
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Jan Husar wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn

2009-11-05T10:37:54Z

LinkedIn
------------

Jan Husar requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn:
------------------------------------------

Johnny,

I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.

- Jan Husar

Accept invitation from Jan Husar
http://www.linkedin.com/e/Ajt62mGBQsM_TP34W8VnJ-qbbjjR7xPEAD7tpgxaXUi/blk/I1561909230_2/pmpxnSRJrSdvj4R5fnhv9ClRsDgZp6lQs6lzoQ5AomZIpn8_cBYMcP8Vc3ANdzkNiiZmoRB4iQ98qiYMejgPe3AOd3wLrCBxbOYWrSlI/EML_comm_afe/

View invitation from Jan Husar
http://www.linkedin.com/e/Ajt62mGBQsM_TP34W8VnJ-qbbjjR7xPEAD7tpgxaXUi/blk/I1561909230_2/39vc3cOej0VcjoRckALqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/
------------------------------------------

DID YOU KNOW that LinkedIn can find the answers to your most difficult questions? Post those vexing questions on LinkedIn Answers to tap into the knowledge of the world's foremost business experts:
http://www.linkedin.com/e/ask/inv-23/

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BSDCan 2010 - dates

2009-11-02T20:36:33Z

Hello folks,

BSDCan 2010 will be held 13-14 May, 2010 in Ottawa, at the University of
Ottawa. It will be preceded by two days of tutorials on 11-12 May.

NOTE: the conference is Tue-Fri with social events planned for Saturday.
This differs from previous years when it was Wed-Sat.

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Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

2009-10-26T21:16:14Z

LinkedIn
------------

I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.

- Siju

Confirm that you know Siju George
https://www.linkedin.com/e/isd/822150553/QO08xjIj/

Every day, millions of professionals like Siju George use LinkedIn to connect with colleagues, find experts, and explore opportunities.

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Sunday 18th 12N-3P PDST Global BSD Mtg - BerkeleyTIP - for forwarding

2009-10-18T01:34:46Z

Join the global Free SW HW & Culture meeting online via VOIP & IRC.
Sunday Oct 18, 12N-3P Pacific Daylight Savings Time (UTC-8),
3P-6P Eastern, (7P-10P UTC?)
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/remote-attendance
Or, come to the UCBerkeley Free Speech Cafe.

Discuss the videos, work on your own projects & share them with others,
& help work on the group projects.

Get a VOIP headset, & join the #berkeleytip channel on irc.freenode.net
We'll help you install VOIP client SW, & join the global meeting.

Join with the meeting from your home via VOIP,
or create a local meeting at your local college wifi cafe.

http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/schedule

I finally got some posters up around campus. :)

===== Talk/Video October: Open Source-and-Mac Other OSs
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/OpenSource-and-Mac-Alternatives-to-Windows-7-649233/
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/talk-videos

===== Some Topics for discussion:
How get better WiFi at FSC - talk to UCB net services?
FreeSwitch install on UCB box
KUbuntu 9.10 out this month
Plan for a UCB installfest - leaders, helpers, announcements
Flyers post throughout campus beginning November?
SSL & OpenVPN on UCB box

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Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD

2009-09-30T15:51:11Z

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 08:11:39PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
>
> I found the phrase "everything developed before 1970" particularly
> amusing, as it translates to approximately zero, plus or minus zero.

Wait . . . that wasn't a typo?

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Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-30T07:20:18Z

> The reality is that Oracle is meant to be a very expensive solution
> for companies that don't know what to do. This makes Red Hat etc an
> ideal contender for this situation as it promises full enterprise
> support.
> Whether it is the truth or if its even a good solution is completely
> irreverent to these 2 tech companies because at the end of the day
> they are just trying to make money and please the stock holders.
> <snip>
>

Huh? Last I remember reading, Oracle hasn't put a native version
together for FreeBSD because running it through the linuxlator works
well enough to justify not spending engineering resources on it.
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Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD

2009-09-28T23:09:29Z

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Don Wilde <dwilde1@...> wrote:

> What is incorrect, Julian? I interviewed both Kirk McK and Berkeley's
> chief legal beagle several years ago. If I'm incorrect, I'd prefer to
> get it right.
>
> I even bought Kirk's video after a FBSD convention a long time back.
> He was drinking beer by the pitcher, so I'm sure he was more
> forthcoming than usual.
>
> I also was the one who orchestrated the Darwin press release when
> working as a stringer with Bob Bruce's WC-CDROM, so I do have a little
> history here.
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Julian H. Stacey <jhs@...>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >> From: Don Wilde <dwilde1@...>
> >
> > Don Wilde wrote:
> >>
> http://www.engineeringjobfuture.com/articles/leverage/open-source-software
> >
> > Article contains
> > "The lawsuit was bitterly contested, but finally resolved.
> > Everything developed before 1970 was declared by a judge
> > to be open forever more, and everything developed after
> > that was AT&T's property."
> >
> > False. I stopped reading at that point, after all, the journalist
> > was probably just winging it, after a few emails to people who read
> > the activity at the time (inc many of us doubtless).
> >
> > The people who know Most about the UCB Lite agreement, won't speak much
> > anyway - they signed non disclosures.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Julian
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Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD

2009-09-28T12:00:31Z

Don Wilde <dwilde1@...> writes:
> Dag-Erling, I remember you quite well as a core developer, so I don't
> doubt that your knowledge of history is better than mine.

Never been on core. My knowledge of this matter comes from researching
it (thoroughly) for the history section of a presentation on open source
licensing.

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Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 295, Issue 1

2009-09-28T11:59:26Z

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:20 -0000, andrea wrote:

> Il 28/09/2009 14.38, Kevin Hatfield ha scritto:
>> The simplest most effective way to grow the FreeBSD userbase is
>> indemnification. Large companies that purchase RHEL/SuSE, etc. It's
>> not because they "don't know what they're doing" as someone mentioned
>> above. Most of the large Enterprise RHEL/SUSE contracts come down to
>> indemnification with support being a bonus.
>>
>>
>
> I strongly agree and also share my personal experience in deploying a massive
> system (3600 distributed boxes) in which Red Hat was adopted and FreeBSD
> (even if the project would actually work better under FreeBSD) just becase
> "if we run out of ideas we can always call red hat italy".
>
> This is a huge problem.....
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So basically... Bottom line is we need a stronger commercial support base than
what is already implemented. Building upon that maybe more attention should be
posed at getting certified BSD professionals into commercial support
infrastructure sites that can influence small changes that impact future growth
and funding.

Personally I am working on a company that is not even 1 city block away from me
and at this time they support all forms of Linux and they are a remote IT
support type entity that is handling database technologies and VoIP. I am
looking at coming on as a BSD advocate to broaden their range of support.

If there is any suggestions that I could make as a selling point for a career at
a company that does not offer any type of BSD support yet, I would certainly
appreciate any feedback and ideas.

Best regards

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Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD

2009-09-28T11:29:21Z

Dag-Erling, I remember you quite well as a core developer, so I don't
doubt that your knowledge of history is better than mine. Thank you
both for the corrections.

AFA pitchers of beer, it was meant as a friendly dig on an insider's
list and not meant as disrespect for Kirk's achievements, which have
far more to do with all of us being here today than I do. :D

2009/9/28 Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@...>:

> Don Wilde <dwilde1@...> writes:
>> What is incorrect, Julian?
>
> Pretty much everything about the lawsuit.
>
> http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html
> http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/USLsettlement.pdf
>
> I found the phrase "everything developed before 1970" particularly
> amusing, as it translates to approximately zero, plus or minus zero.
>
> Oh, and pretty much everything else as well.
>
> The practice of sharing source code without compensation (and the term
> "copyleft") can be traced to a hobbyist magazine that later developed
> into Dr Dobb's, and predates 3BSD (1BSD and 2BSD were only add-ons, not
> OS distributions) by about five years. The first explicit discussion of
> free software as such was in an article published in the July 1976 issue
> of SIGPLAN in reaction to Bill Gate's (in)famous "open letter". The
> first organized F/OSS movement was, like it or not, the GNU Project
> started by Richard Stallman in 1983. At that time, BSD was distributed
> only to institutions that already held an AT&T source code license. The
> network stack was "open sourced" in the late eighties, the rest of the
> system in the early-to-mid nineties.
>
>> He was drinking beer by the pitcher, so I'm sure he was more
>> forthcoming than usual.
>
> I neither know nor care whether that statement is true, but it's not a
> particularly nice thing to say about anyone.
>
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Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD

2009-09-28T11:11:39Z

Don Wilde <dwilde1@...> writes:
> What is incorrect, Julian?

Pretty much everything about the lawsuit.

http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html
http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/USLsettlement.pdf

I found the phrase "everything developed before 1970" particularly
amusing, as it translates to approximately zero, plus or minus zero.

Oh, and pretty much everything else as well.

The practice of sharing source code without compensation (and the term
"copyleft") can be traced to a hobbyist magazine that later developed
into Dr Dobb's, and predates 3BSD (1BSD and 2BSD were only add-ons, not
OS distributions) by about five years. The first explicit discussion of
free software as such was in an article published in the July 1976 issue
of SIGPLAN in reaction to Bill Gate's (in)famous "open letter". The
first organized F/OSS movement was, like it or not, the GNU Project
started by Richard Stallman in 1983. At that time, BSD was distributed
only to institutions that already held an AT&T source code license. The
network stack was "open sourced" in the late eighties, the rest of the
system in the early-to-mid nineties.

> He was drinking beer by the pitcher, so I'm sure he was more
> forthcoming than usual.

I neither know nor care whether that statement is true, but it's not a
particularly nice thing to say about anyone.

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Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD

2009-09-28T11:02:01Z

Thank you, Julian -

Me bits be scrambled, methinks. Apologies all, correcting it I am now.,

For the record, the agreement was made in 1994. Here is the complete text.

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20041126130302760 -- :D

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Julian H. Stacey <jhs@...> wrote:

> Don Wilde wrote:
>> What is incorrect, Julian?
> .. etc.
>
> In 1977 I started learning Unix V6 as a Unix newbie. There were
> no UCB bits I heard of till csh & job control & vi floated in to
> my Uni. a few years on, maybe 1980 +/- a year or 2, I'd guess about
> 82. Can't remember when I heard of first complete BSD releases for
> PDP/VAX but after the individual bits.
>
> man 3 ctime
> "The functions ctime(), gmtime() and localtime() all take
> as an argument a time value representing the time in seconds
> since the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see time(3))."
>
> 1970 in context quoted below ? No.
>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Julian H. Stacey <jhs@...> wrote:
>> >> From: Don Wilde <dwilde1@...>
>> > Don Wilde wrote:
>> >> http://www.engineeringjobfuture.com/articles/leverage/open-source-software
>> > Article contains
>> > "The lawsuit was bitterly contested, but finally resolved.
>> > Everything developed before 1970 was declared by a judge
>> > to be open forever more, and everything developed after
>> > that was AT&T's property."
>> >
>> > False. I stopped reading at that point, after all, the journalist
>> > was probably just winging it, after a few emails to people who read
>> > the activity at the time (inc many of us doubtless).
>> >
>> > The people who know Most about the UCB Lite agreement, won't speak much
>> > anyway - they signed non disclosures.
>>
>> --
>> -- Don Wilde
>> " Engineering the Future "
>> http://www.EngineeringJobFuture.com
>
> Cheers,
> Julian
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Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD

2009-09-28T10:50:05Z

Don Wilde wrote:
> What is incorrect, Julian?
.. etc.

In 1977 I started learning Unix V6 as a Unix newbie. There were
no UCB bits I heard of till csh & job control & vi floated in to
my Uni. a few years on, maybe 1980 +/- a year or 2, I'd guess about
82. Can't remember when I heard of first complete BSD releases for
PDP/VAX but after the individual bits.

man 3 ctime
"The functions ctime(), gmtime() and localtime() all take
as an argument a time value representing the time in seconds
since the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see time(3))."

1970 in context quoted below ? No.

> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Julian H. Stacey <jhs@...> wrote:
> >> From: Don Wilde <dwilde1@...>
> > Don Wilde wrote:
> >> http://www.engineeringjobfuture.com/articles/leverage/open-source-software
> > Article contains
> > "The lawsuit was bitterly contested, but finally resolved.
> > Everything developed before 1970 was declared by a judge
> > to be open forever more, and everything developed after
> > that was AT&T's property."
> >
> > False. I stopped reading at that point, after all, the journalist
> > was probably just winging it, after a few emails to people who read
> > the activity at the time (inc many of us doubtless).
> >
> > The people who know Most about the UCB Lite agreement, won't speak much
> > anyway - they signed non disclosures.
>
> --
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> http://www.EngineeringJobFuture.com

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Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD

2009-09-28T10:16:05Z

What is incorrect, Julian? I interviewed both Kirk McK and Berkeley's
chief legal beagle several years ago. If I'm incorrect, I'd prefer to
get it right.

I even bought Kirk's video after a FBSD convention a long time back.
He was drinking beer by the pitcher, so I'm sure he was more
forthcoming than usual.

I also was the one who orchestrated the Darwin press release when
working as a stringer with Bob Bruce's WC-CDROM, so I do have a little
history here.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Julian H. Stacey <jhs@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>> From: Don Wilde <dwilde1@...>
>
> Don Wilde wrote:
>> http://www.engineeringjobfuture.com/articles/leverage/open-source-software
>
> Article contains
> "The lawsuit was bitterly contested, but finally resolved.
> Everything developed before 1970 was declared by a judge
> to be open forever more, and everything developed after
> that was AT&T's property."
>
> False. I stopped reading at that point, after all, the journalist
> was probably just winging it, after a few emails to people who read
> the activity at the time (inc many of us doubtless).
>
> The people who know Most about the UCB Lite agreement, won't speak much
> anyway - they signed non disclosures.
>
> Cheers,
> Julian
> --
> Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com
> Mail ASCII plain text not HTML & Base64. http://asciiribbon.org
> Virused Microsoft PCs cause spam. http://berklix.com/free/
>

Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD

2009-09-28T10:06:57Z

Hi,
> From: Don Wilde <dwilde1@...>

Don Wilde wrote:
> http://www.engineeringjobfuture.com/articles/leverage/open-source-software

Article contains
"The lawsuit was bitterly contested, but finally resolved.
Everything developed before 1970 was declared by a judge
to be open forever more, and everything developed after
that was AT&T's property."

False. I stopped reading at that point, after all, the journalist
was probably just winging it, after a few emails to people who read
the activity at the time (inc many of us doubtless).

The people who know Most about the UCB Lite agreement, won't speak much
anyway - they signed non disclosures.

Cheers,
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FreeBSD 8.0 vs. Ubuntu 9.10 Benchmarks (also fbsd 7.2)

2009-09-28T09:13:50Z

check it out

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=freebsd8_ubuntu910&num=1

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