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Re: Changes to OpenAFS to support FreeBSD 8-CURRENT

2008-12-17T11:51:23Z

On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Matt Benjamin <matt@...> wrote:

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> Hi Ben,
>
> I got your previous email, but wasn't sure I could get to this. I
> haven't in fact been focused on 8-CURRENT, but on vnode locking and
> refcounting correctness across 7.0 to 8-CURRENT. (Making headway...)
>
> Anyway, I set that aside and whacked through a similar effort. The
> things you got sound right to me, though I'm surprised krx and
> afs_server.c compiled, but, it might have to do with whether you have
> network stack virtualization enabled. The module doesn't load
> presumably because of unresolved externals--here either the
> aforementioned (like in_ifaddrhead), and probably "suser(thread)" which
> is gone, replaced with "priv_check(thread)" (what makes me think that
> one won't be around long).
>
> Openafs-1.4.8 (openafs.org) with RT # 123933 compiles and loads, as
> above, but I have not run the code, it's just to block something in, ATM.
>

It's possible that I'm doing something wrong, but I'm getting panics with
returning from a syscall with a lock held. I have a project that I need to
finish up for my classes, here, so I shouldn't spend more time on this for
a few days. If anyone really wants a core before then, let me know, but
I'm pretty sure that my libafs.ko doesn't have debugging symbols,
so it's probably not worth it.

Just FYI,

Ben Kaduk
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Re: binary mtree for openafs port(s)

2008-12-17T06:29:57Z

"Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:

> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:49 AM, Boris Samorodov <bsam@...> wrote:
>> ElBarto <elbarto@...> writes:
>>
>>> Well,
>>> For the client you only need all the binaries for mounting an afs
>>> server (don't know exactly which ones).
>>> This is the list I suggest :
>> [list was here]
>>>
>>> $PREFIX/sbin/fstrace
>>> $PREFIX/sbin/kpwvalid
>>> $PREFIX/sbin/rxdebug
>>
>> I'm not sure either but it seems to me that those might belong to
>> a server part.
>
> fstrace is client only, it debugs the client itself. rxdebug is
> universal. it can debug any rx service, client or server. kpwvalid is
> server only.
> fstrace, unlike cmdebug, must be run on the client. cmdebug, like
> rxdebug, can be *run* anywhere as it's a network probe.

OK, thank you for your help!

So far I've written a script which installs all files to apropriate
locations. There are some minor questions left, but this part of a port
(binary mtree) seems to be done soon.

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Re: openafs server executables

2008-12-17T06:17:20Z

"Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:

>> bin/
>> asetkey
>
> asetkey is server-only. it exists to create KeyFiles, which for
> security purposes you should *only* do on a server.

Got it, thanks!

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Re: binary mtree for openafs port(s)

2008-12-17T06:16:22Z

Matt Benjamin <matt@...> writes:

> Boris Samorodov wrote:
>>> $PREFIX/sbin/kpwvalid
>>> $PREFIX/sbin/rxdebug
>>
>> I'm not sure either but it seems to me that those might belong to
>> a server part.
>>
>>
>> WBR
>
> My impression is
>
> rxdebug -- used everywhere for troubleshooting, valuable to have on any
> afs host (both/base)

Added to common_sbin_file_list.

> fstrace -- like cmdebug, is used (infrequently, afaik) to debug client
> problems (client)
>
> kpwvalid -- support utility for kas kpasswd (KPWVALID(8)). Perhaps not
> critical what is done with this, but is part of kas/kaserver client
> infrastructure. (client)

Both added to client_sbin_file_list.

Thanks! All files were added to sbin directory since by default those
files are installed to sbin directory.

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Re: binary mtree for openafs port(s)

2008-12-17T05:59:31Z

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I shouldn't have commented on that one. I've never run a kaserver.

Matt

Derrick Brashear wrote:
kpwvalid is
> server only

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Re: binary mtree for openafs port(s)

2008-12-17T05:57:06Z

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:49 AM, Boris Samorodov <bsam@...> wrote:

> ElBarto <elbarto@...> writes:
>
>> Well,
>> For the client you only need all the binaries for mounting an afs
>> server (don't know exactly which ones).
>> This is the list I suggest :
> [list was here]
>>
>> $PREFIX/sbin/fstrace
>> $PREFIX/sbin/kpwvalid
>> $PREFIX/sbin/rxdebug
>
> I'm not sure either but it seems to me that those might belong to
> a server part.

fstrace is client only, it debugs the client itself. rxdebug is
universal. it can debug any rx service, client or server. kpwvalid is
server only.
fstrace, unlike cmdebug, must be run on the client. cmdebug, like
rxdebug, can be *run* anywhere as it's a network probe.
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Re: openafs server executables

2008-12-17T05:49:20Z

>> I thought aklog was a client utility, but everything else looks okay
>> to my (limited) experience.
>
> Ben, Matt, I've got it, thanks. Here is the fixed list.
> =====
> Common binaries (should be installed always):
> -----
> bin/
> asetkey

asetkey is server-only. it exists to create KeyFiles, which for
security purposes you should *only* do on a server.

> bos
> fs
> pts
> udebug
> sbin/
> vos
> -----
>
> Server binaries:
> -----
> libexec/openafs/
> buserver
> fileserver
> kaserver
> ptserver
> salvager
> upclient
> upserver
> vlserver
> volserver
> sbin/
> bosserver
> ka-forwarder
> kadb_check
> kdb
> kpwvalid
> prdb_check
> pt_util
> rmtsysd
> vldb_check
> vldb_convert
> voldump
> volinfo
> vsys
> -----
>
> Client binaries:
> -----
> bin/
> afsmonitor
> aklog
> cmdebug
> dlog
> dpass
> klog
> klog.krb
> knfs
> kpasswd
> livesys
> pagsh
> pagsh.krb
> scout
> sys
> tokens
> tokens.krb
> unlog
> up
> xstat_cm_test
> xstat_fs_test
> sbin/
> afsd
> -----
> =====
>
>
> WBR
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Re: binary mtree for openafs port(s)

2008-12-17T05:47:06Z

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Hi,

Boris Samorodov wrote:
>> $PREFIX/sbin/kpwvalid
>> $PREFIX/sbin/rxdebug
>
> I'm not sure either but it seems to me that those might belong to
> a server part.
>
>
> WBR

My impression is

rxdebug -- used everywhere for troubleshooting, valuable to have on any
afs host (both/base)

fstrace -- like cmdebug, is used (infrequently, afaik) to debug client
problems (client)

kpwvalid -- support utility for kas kpasswd (KPWVALID(8)). Perhaps not
critical what is done with this, but is part of kas/kaserver client
infrastructure. (client)

Matt

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Re: binary mtree for openafs port(s)

2008-12-17T01:49:35Z

ElBarto <elbarto@...> writes:

> Well,
> For the client you only need all the binaries for mounting an afs
> server (don't know exactly which ones).
> This is the list I suggest :
[list was here]
>
> $PREFIX/sbin/fstrace
> $PREFIX/sbin/kpwvalid
> $PREFIX/sbin/rxdebug

I'm not sure either but it seems to me that those might belong to
a server part.

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Re: openafs server executables

2008-12-17T00:02:52Z

"Ben Kaduk" <minimarmot@...> writes:

> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Boris Samorodov <bsam@...> wrote:
>> Hello Derrick and All,
>>
>> "Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:
>>
>>> Two copies of fs, vos, pts, bos, kas, asetkey, tokens, udebug, klog get
>>> installed normally. you want copies of at least fs, vos, bos, asetkey,
>>> udebug, pts (maybe not klog, tokens) in server, even if they are installed
>>> elsewhere in client.
>>
>> I've taken the second list as a rule. Let me show what I managed to
>> get. This is a list of executables.

[the list was here]
>> Changes/fixes/else?
>
> I thought aklog was a client utility, but everything else looks okay
> to my (limited) experience.

Ben, Matt, I've got it, thanks. Here is the fixed list.
=====
Common binaries (should be installed always):
-----
bin/
asetkey
bos
fs
pts
udebug
sbin/
vos
-----

Server binaries:
-----
libexec/openafs/
buserver
fileserver
kaserver
ptserver
salvager
upclient
upserver
vlserver
volserver
sbin/
bosserver
ka-forwarder
kadb_check
kdb
kpwvalid
prdb_check
pt_util
rmtsysd
vldb_check
vldb_convert
voldump
volinfo
vsys
-----

Client binaries:
-----
bin/
afsmonitor
aklog
cmdebug
dlog
dpass
klog
klog.krb
knfs
kpasswd
livesys
pagsh
pagsh.krb
scout
sys
tokens
tokens.krb
unlog
up
xstat_cm_test
xstat_fs_test
sbin/
afsd
-----
=====

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Re: [solved] Re: asetkey (and aklog) is not build

2008-12-16T15:48:48Z

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I'm sorry, Ben, Boris was listening to me, probably, and I had these two
reversed, below.

Matt

Boris Samorodov wrote:
> Matt Benjamin <matt@...> writes:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The asetkey and aklog programs are part of the openafs client and server
>> suite, respectively, which should be available.

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Re: openafs server executables

2008-12-16T15:47:29Z

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aklog is a client utility. as far as I know, too, asetkey is only
useful on server machines (add keys to KeyFile)

Ben Kaduk wrote:
u>
>
> I thought aklog was a client utility, but everything else looks okay
> to my (limited) experience.
>
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Re: openafs server executables

2008-12-16T15:35:22Z

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Boris Samorodov <bsam@...> wrote:

> Hello Derrick and All,
>
> "Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:
>
>> Two copies of fs, vos, pts, bos, kas, asetkey, tokens, udebug, klog get
>> installed normally. you want copies of at least fs, vos, bos, asetkey,
>> udebug, pts (maybe not klog, tokens) in server, even if they are installed
>> elsewhere in client.
>
> I've taken the second list as a rule. Let me show what I managed to
> get. This is a list of executables.
> =====
> Common binaries (should be installed always):
> -----
> bin/
> asetkey
> bos
> fs
> pts
> udebug
> sbin/
> vos
> -----
>
> Server binaries:
> -----
> libexec/openafs/
> buserver
> fileserver
> kaserver
> ptserver
> salvager
> upclient
> upserver
> vlserver
> volserver
> sbin/
> aklog
> bosserver
> ka-forwarder
> kadb_check
> kdb
> kpwvalid
> prdb_check
> pt_util
> rmtsysd
> vldb_check
> vldb_convert
> voldump
> volinfo
> vsys
> -----
>
> Client binaries:
> -----
> bin/
> afsmonitor
> cmdebug
> dlog
> dpass
> klog
> klog.krb
> knfs
> kpasswd
> livesys
> pagsh
> pagsh.krb
> scout
> sys
> tokens
> tokens.krb
> unlog
> up
> xstat_cm_test
> xstat_fs_test
> sbin/
> afsd
> -----
> =====
>
> Changes/fixes/else?

I thought aklog was a client utility, but everything else looks okay
to my (limited) experience.

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Re: openafs server executables

2008-12-16T15:26:37Z

Hello Derrick and All,

"Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:

> Two copies of fs, vos, pts, bos, kas, asetkey, tokens, udebug, klog get
> installed normally. you want copies of at least fs, vos, bos, asetkey,
> udebug, pts (maybe not klog, tokens) in server, even if they are installed
> elsewhere in client.

I've taken the second list as a rule. Let me show what I managed to
get. This is a list of executables.
=====
Common binaries (should be installed always):
-----
bin/
asetkey
bos
fs
pts
udebug
sbin/
vos
-----

Server binaries:
-----
libexec/openafs/
buserver
fileserver
kaserver
ptserver
salvager
upclient
upserver
vlserver
volserver
sbin/
aklog
bosserver
ka-forwarder
kadb_check
kdb
kpwvalid
prdb_check
pt_util
rmtsysd
vldb_check
vldb_convert
voldump
volinfo
vsys
-----

Client binaries:
-----
bin/
afsmonitor
cmdebug
dlog
dpass
klog
klog.krb
knfs
kpasswd
livesys
pagsh
pagsh.krb
scout
sys
tokens
tokens.krb
unlog
up
xstat_cm_test
xstat_fs_test
sbin/
afsd
-----
=====

Changes/fixes/else?

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[solved] Re: asetkey (and aklog) is not build

2008-12-16T14:49:22Z

Matt Benjamin <matt@...> writes:

> Hi,
>
> The asetkey and aklog programs are part of the openafs client and server
> suite, respectively, which should be available.
>
> FWIW, one reason for these not building in ordinary openafs compiles (if
> that's an issue?)

Matt, you were right once more. That was the issue.

> is failure to identify a working kerberos build
> environment (configure that includes
> --with-krb5-config=/usr/bin/krb5-config would help, in that case). I

--with-krb5-conf=/usr/bin/krb5-config helped (mind option name).

Great, thanks!

> apologize if that no longer makes sense in the port build framework,
> which I haven't experimented with, yet.

Seems just fine imho.

> Boris Samorodov wrote:
>> Hello List,
>>
>>
>> I've just find out that asetkey (and aklog) is not build by the
>> port. That seems to be a result of ignoring src/aklog. While an
>> official package at OpenAFS site contains it at
>> atdest/root.server/usr/afs/bin directory (aklog is at dest/bin).
>>
>> README says that aklog is not needed because heimdal afslog does
>> (almost) the same thing. But nothing is said about asetkey.
>>
>> I'm not sure if I messed up my config. Can anybody confirm if the
>> problem exists? Or maybe this file may be skipped (since it uses
>> only kerberos v4)?

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Re: asetkey (and aklog) is not build

2008-12-16T14:14:27Z

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Hi,

The asetkey and aklog programs are part of the openafs client and server
suite, respectively, which should be available.

FWIW, one reason for these not building in ordinary openafs compiles (if
that's an issue?) is failure to identify a working kerberos build
environment (configure that includes
- --with-krb5-config=/usr/bin/krb5-config would help, in that case). I
apologize if that no longer makes sense in the port build framework,
which I haven't experimented with, yet.

Matt

Boris Samorodov wrote:

> Hello List,
>
>
> I've just find out that asetkey (and aklog) is not build by the
> port. That seems to be a result of ignoring src/aklog. While an
> official package at OpenAFS site contains it at
> atdest/root.server/usr/afs/bin directory (aklog is at dest/bin).
>
> README says that aklog is not needed because heimdal afslog does
> (almost) the same thing. But nothing is said about asetkey.
>
> I'm not sure if I messed up my config. Can anybody confirm if the
> problem exists? Or maybe this file may be skipped (since it uses
> only kerberos v4)?
>
>
> WBR

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asetkey (and aklog) is not build

2008-12-16T14:02:34Z

Hello List,

I've just find out that asetkey (and aklog) is not build by the
port. That seems to be a result of ignoring src/aklog. While an
official package at OpenAFS site contains it at
atdest/root.server/usr/afs/bin directory (aklog is at dest/bin).

README says that aklog is not needed because heimdal afslog does
(almost) the same thing. But nothing is said about asetkey.

I'm not sure if I messed up my config. Can anybody confirm if the
problem exists? Or maybe this file may be skipped (since it uses
only kerberos v4)?

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Re: openafs port(s) in general

2008-12-16T12:30:44Z

At 9:44 PM +0300 12/16/08, Boris Samorodov wrote:

>"Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:
>
>> Editing this web page
>> to put the same list in it is any better why?
>
>Your mail is your personal opinion. That site is (or am I mistaken?)
>an official place where to look for information.
>
>You know, I could have committed the (openafs) port since I got it
>build/install/deinstall succesfully. But I'd better don't do it.
>And discuss a better ways/decisions/etc. at this list. Because
>since the port gets committed it should reflect official position
>of those who *can* make decisions: developers, admins, power users.
>And because it will be (very) hard and/or painful to change the port
>(it's infrastructure, directory layout) later.
>
>One thing to say something while other to do it. Changes to that
>page (I think) should have been discussed and/or approved by some
>community. If those changes appear that may influence not only a
>FreeBSD port.

Note that Derrick's opinion is much Much more experienced than the
average "person on the street" when it comes to OpenAFS.

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Re: openafs port(s) in general

2008-12-16T12:30:02Z

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Boris Samorodov <bsam@...> wrote:

> "Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:
>
> > That page has nothing to do with what the commands are for. It reflects
> > which man pages are in man1 ("User commands") and which are in man8
> > ("Administrative commands")
> >
> > That's it. It's not policy, or any such other thing.
>
> Hm, OK. I hoped that man pages reflect something meaningful.

They do. Command usage.

Trying to read higher meaning from the location of them, less so.
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Re: openafs port(s) in general

2008-12-16T12:26:34Z

"Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:

> That page has nothing to do with what the commands are for. It reflects
> which man pages are in man1 ("User commands") and which are in man8
> ("Administrative commands")
>
> That's it. It's not policy, or any such other thing.

Hm, OK. I hoped that man pages reflect something meaningful.
Thanks.

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Re: openafs port(s) in general

2008-12-16T10:48:30Z

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Boris Samorodov <bsam@...> wrote:

> "Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:
> > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Boris Samorodov <bsam@...> wrote:
> >> "Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:
> >> > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Boris Samorodov <bsam@...>
> wrote:
> >> >> "Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:
> >> >>
> >> >> > i could edit the web page in question if it'd help ;)
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, please.
> >> >
> >> > Actually, it's the wrong solution to the problem.
> >> >
> >> > Why are you using *that* web page as the be-all-end-all division of
> >> > commands?
> >>
> >> Because there is no better solution. Do you have one?
> >
> > I gave you a list which got ignored, like 4 hours ago.
>
> Why do you think your list got ignored? ;-) I've been working with it.
> Then that was an opinion of one person. Nobody voted for it.
>
> > Editing this web page
> > to put the same list in it is any better why?
>
> Your mail is your personal opinion.

No. My mail reflects how OpenAFS works when you type "make install", which
is at least as official as:

> That site is (or am I mistaken?)
> an official place where to look for information.

It is. That I can edit the page (which, again, has nothing to do with where
the commands get installed, but reflects only man subdirectories) suggests
either my opinion has some bearing, or that I am clever and apply the policy
OpenAFS has shaped to my work. I'd like to think it's the latter.

>
> You know, I could have committed the (openafs) port since I got it
> build/install/deinstall succesfully. But I'd better don't do it.
> And discuss a better ways/decisions/etc. at this list. Because
> since the port gets committed it should reflect official position
> of those who *can* make decisions: developers, admins, power users.
> And because it will be (very) hard and/or painful to change the port
> (it's infrastructure, directory layout) later.
>

I agree. Better to get it right, now, before people are depending on it.

>
> One thing to say something while other to do it. Changes to that page (I
> think) should have been discussed and/or approved by some community. If
> those changes appear that may influence not only a FreeBSD port.
>

See above. And let me try again to state what seems to be going over your
head.

That page has nothing to do with what the commands are for. It reflects
which man pages are in man1 ("User commands") and which are in man8
("Administrative commands")

That's it. It's not policy, or any such other thing.
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Re: openafs port(s) in general

2008-12-16T10:44:39Z

"Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:

> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Boris Samorodov <bsam@...> wrote:
>> "Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:
>> > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Boris Samorodov <bsam@...> wrote:
>> >> "Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:
>> >>
>> >> > i could edit the web page in question if it'd help ;)
>> >>
>> >> Yes, please.
>> >
>> > Actually, it's the wrong solution to the problem.
>> >
>> > Why are you using *that* web page as the be-all-end-all division of
>> > commands?
>>
>> Because there is no better solution. Do you have one?
>
> I gave you a list which got ignored, like 4 hours ago.

Why do you think your list got ignored? ;-) I've been working with it.
Then that was an opinion of one person. Nobody voted for it.

> Editing this web page
> to put the same list in it is any better why?

Your mail is your personal opinion. That site is (or am I mistaken?)
an official place where to look for information.

You know, I could have committed the (openafs) port since I got it
build/install/deinstall succesfully. But I'd better don't do it.
And discuss a better ways/decisions/etc. at this list. Because
since the port gets committed it should reflect official position
of those who *can* make decisions: developers, admins, power users.
And because it will be (very) hard and/or painful to change the port
(it's infrastructure, directory layout) later.

One thing to say something while other to do it. Changes to that page (I
think) should have been discussed and/or approved by some community. If
those changes appear that may influence not only a FreeBSD port.

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Re: openafs port(s) in general

2008-12-16T10:17:50Z

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Boris Samorodov <bsam@...> wrote:

> "Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:
> > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Boris Samorodov <bsam@...> wrote:
> >> "Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:
> >>
> >> > i could edit the web page in question if it'd help ;)
> >>
> >> Yes, please.
> >
> > Actually, it's the wrong solution to the problem.
> >
> > Why are you using *that* web page as the be-all-end-all division of
> > commands?
>
> Because there is no better solution. Do you have one?
>

I gave you a list which got ignored, like 4 hours ago. Editing this web page
to put the same list in it is any better why?
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Re: openafs port(s) in general

2008-12-16T10:06:51Z

"Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:

> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Boris Samorodov <bsam@...> wrote:
>> "Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:
>>
>> > i could edit the web page in question if it'd help ;)
>>
>> Yes, please.
>
> Actually, it's the wrong solution to the problem.
>
> Why are you using *that* web page as the be-all-end-all division of
> commands?

Because there is no better solution. Do you have one?

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Re: openafs port(s) in general

2008-12-16T09:56:42Z

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Boris Samorodov <bsam@...> wrote:

> "Derrick Brashear" <shadow@...> writes:
>
> > i could edit the web page in question if it'd help ;)
>
> Yes, please.
>

Actually, it's the wrong solution to the problem.

Why are you using *that* web page as the be-all-end-all division of
commands?

>
>
> WBR
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