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	<title>Nabble - freebsd-ctm</title>
	<updated>2009-08-13T16:55:02Z</updated>
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24964419</id>
	<title>Re: Problems with CTM</title>
	<published>2009-08-13T16:55:02Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-13T16:55:02Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Stephen Montgomery-Smith-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; For some reason CVSUP'ing the whole tree is not working right now. &amp;nbsp;I 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; have sent an email to freebsd-hubs.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; But CTM is not going to be working until I get this fixed.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I think I found the problem. &amp;nbsp;I did a google, and found out that someone 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; had had this problem in Jan 2008 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nabble.com/Problems-with-cvsup-td15109672.html&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot;&gt;http://www.nabble.com/Problems-with-cvsup-td15109672.html&lt;/a&gt;, and had 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; conveniently explained the work around.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; It seems that my computer has problems CVSUPing any new stuff that 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; includes the word &amp;quot;irc.&amp;quot; &amp;nbsp;Perhaps the University of Missouri is trying 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; to stop downloading of IRC clients, who knows?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'm going to apply the work around - I hope it works.
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;CTM is working again. &amp;nbsp;You should start seeing fresh updates soon.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24961122</id>
	<title>Re: Problems with CTM</title>
	<published>2009-08-13T12:42:47Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-13T12:42:47Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Stephen Montgomery-Smith-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; For some reason CVSUP'ing the whole tree is not working right now. &amp;nbsp;I 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; have sent an email to freebsd-hubs.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; But CTM is not going to be working until I get this fixed.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think I found the problem. &amp;nbsp;I did a google, and found out that someone 
&lt;br&gt;had had this problem in Jan 2008 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nabble.com/Problems-with-cvsup-td15109672.html&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot;&gt;http://www.nabble.com/Problems-with-cvsup-td15109672.html&lt;/a&gt;, and had 
&lt;br&gt;conveniently explained the work around.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It seems that my computer has problems CVSUPing any new stuff that 
&lt;br&gt;includes the word &amp;quot;irc.&amp;quot; &amp;nbsp;Perhaps the University of Missouri is trying 
&lt;br&gt;to stop downloading of IRC clients, who knows?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I'm going to apply the work around - I hope it works.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24940827</id>
	<title>Problems with CTM</title>
	<published>2009-08-12T10:03:45Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-12T10:03:45Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Stephen Montgomery-Smith-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">For some reason CVSUP'ing the whole tree is not working right now. &amp;nbsp;I 
&lt;br&gt;have sent an email to freebsd-hubs.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But CTM is not going to be working until I get this fixed.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24824625</id>
	<title>Re: Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-05T03:44:32Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-05T03:44:32Z</updated>
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		<name>Andre Albsmeier</name>
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	<content type="html">On Wed, 05-Aug-2009 at 12:39:46 +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;The vast majority of the effort is spent on updating cvs-cur. &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Just to be difficult, that's the branch I use - I find it most
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; My personal most used in order: ports-cur, cvs-cur, src-cur
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It seems we have to stick with all of them. My prefs, also
&lt;br&gt;in order with the most important first, would be:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;src-X (where X are the -STABLE branches), ports-cur, src-cur
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; -Andre
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;as well as statistics for ctm downloads via FTP.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Difficult, likely not worth the effort: ... mirror sites.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Cheers,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Julian
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24824558</id>
	<title>Re: Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-05T03:39:02Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-05T03:39:02Z</updated>
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		<name>Julian H. Stacey-3</name>
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	<content type="html">&amp;gt; &amp;gt;The vast majority of the effort is spent on updating cvs-cur. &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Just to be difficult, that's the branch I use - I find it most
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My personal most used in order: ports-cur, cvs-cur, src-cur
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;as well as statistics for ctm downloads via FTP.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Difficult, likely not worth the effort: ... mirror sites.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers,
&lt;br&gt;Julian
&lt;br&gt;-- 
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24823153</id>
	<title>Re: Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-05T01:24:18Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-05T01:24:18Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Klaus T Aehlig</name>
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	<content type="html">&lt;br&gt;Dear Stephen,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; updates? 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess I'm not technically depending on CTM, as I'm sure I might be able to 
&lt;br&gt;find other ways of achieving the same goal. Nevertheless I am using CTM, as it
&lt;br&gt;is the most convenient way and the one best suited to my needs. So I certainly 
&lt;br&gt;don't want to lose CTM. Is there anything I can do to help keep it going?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best,
&lt;br&gt;Klaus
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;PS:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Please reply to ctm-users, but this is being sent to ctm-announce as 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; well, just in case some people are there who are not on ctm-users.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please CC me on direct replies, as I'm not subscribed to ctm-users.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24819027</id>
	<title>Re: Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-04T18:03:20Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-04T18:03:20Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Stephen Montgomery-Smith-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Peter Jeremy wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; On 2009-Aug-04 18:00:29 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24819027&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stephen@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The vast majority of the effort is spent on updating cvs-cur. &amp;nbsp;If I 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; discovered that no-one wants this branch, that would be a huge saving of 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; time.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Just to be difficult, that's the branch I use - I find it most
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; convenient to replicate the repository and then I can pull out
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; anything I want.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I'll keep cvs-cur.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Maybe you can get some statistics on the number of subscribers to each
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; of the ctm mailing lists as well as statistics for ctm downloads via FTP.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Someday, perhaps, I'll do this as well.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24818398</id>
	<title>Re: Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-04T17:05:50Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-04T17:05:50Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Peter Jeremy-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On 2009-Aug-04 18:00:29 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24818398&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stephen@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;The vast majority of the effort is spent on updating cvs-cur. &amp;nbsp;If I 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;discovered that no-one wants this branch, that would be a huge saving of 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;time.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just to be difficult, that's the branch I use - I find it most
&lt;br&gt;convenient to replicate the repository and then I can pull out
&lt;br&gt;anything I want.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe you can get some statistics on the number of subscribers to each
&lt;br&gt;of the ctm mailing lists as well as statistics for ctm downloads via FTP.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
&lt;br&gt;Peter Jeremy
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24817781</id>
	<title>Re: Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-04T16:00:29Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-04T16:00:29Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Stephen Montgomery-Smith-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Andre Albsmeier wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Maybe there is room for improvement by spreading the work
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; over various disks intelligently. I don't know how the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; delta generation works but I think stuff has to be checked
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; out and compared to the former version. So if one got three
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; disks:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 1. holding the cvs Repository
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 2. checked out version #1
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 3. checked out version #2
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; things might get a big boost.
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have actually tried this, and it did help a little. &amp;nbsp;But switching 
&lt;br&gt;from PATA to SATA made the biggest difference. &amp;nbsp;And if I had some kind 
&lt;br&gt;of RAID, it would help enormously.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; One could argue about the need of distributing cvs-cur and src-cur
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; and stay with the -STABLE branches and -ports. But this is just
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; my opinion and others' needs may be different ;-).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The src-cur (which I actually use myself) puts rather little extra 
&lt;br&gt;overhead on the system. &amp;nbsp;It is like another stable branch.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The vast majority of the effort is spent on updating cvs-cur. &amp;nbsp;If I 
&lt;br&gt;discovered that no-one wants this branch, that would be a huge saving of 
&lt;br&gt;time.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Also, it might be enough to run the process only once a day.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; - How are the deltas forwarded out to the mail and FTP servers?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The deltas are mailed directly from my computer to the mailing lists, 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; using sendmail.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; How many people are there on the lists? This might also give an
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; idea about the necessity supporting cvs-cur and src-cur.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Chances are low, but, anyway, I will ask a friend who is well
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; connected if we could arrange something...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thanks,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 	-Andre
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; The FTP servers get the deltas via ftp-master fetching them via rsync. 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; It does this about every 4 hours.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24817731</id>
	<title>Re: Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-04T15:55:57Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-04T15:55:57Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Stephen Montgomery-Smith-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Peter Jeremy wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;gt; On 2009-Aug-04 10:21:46 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24817731&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stephen@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 2. &amp;nbsp;The main problem I will have with the firewall is getting the 
&lt;br&gt;deltas
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; out to the ftp sites. &amp;nbsp;Right now, ftp-master uses rsync to get the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; deltas from my machine. &amp;nbsp;But I am told that if there were some site I
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; could rsync TO, then that would work just fine behind the firewall.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; That is, I act as the client, and the freebsd site acts as the rsync
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; server, to which I copy the files.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Does anyone know if freebsd has any such mechanism?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;gt; I'd suggest writing to &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24817731&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;admin@...&lt;/a&gt; and/or &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24817731&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hubs@...&lt;/a&gt; and
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;gt; discuss it with them.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have sent a message to freebsd-hubs, and I am awaiting a reply.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stephen
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24817179</id>
	<title>Re: Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-04T15:07:56Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-04T15:07:56Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Peter Jeremy-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On 2009-Aug-04 10:21:46 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24817179&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stephen@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;1. &amp;nbsp;This &amp;quot;firewall&amp;quot; will not come into effect for several months, so 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;there is no big hurry to get everything sorted out.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That's good.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;2. &amp;nbsp;The main problem I will have with the firewall is getting the deltas 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;out to the ftp sites. &amp;nbsp;Right now, ftp-master uses rsync to get the 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;deltas from my machine. &amp;nbsp;But I am told that if there were some site I 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;could rsync TO, then that would work just fine behind the firewall. 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;That is, I act as the client, and the freebsd site acts as the rsync 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;server, to which I copy the files.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;Does anyone know if freebsd has any such mechanism?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I'd suggest writing to &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24817179&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;admin@...&lt;/a&gt; and/or &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24817179&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hubs@...&lt;/a&gt; and
&lt;br&gt;discuss it with them.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On 2009-Aug-03 23:03:59 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24817179&amp;i=3&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stephen@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;The FTP servers get the deltas via ftp-master fetching them via rsync. 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;It does this about every 4 hours.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ths disk I/O would be a nuisance but that point rules me out - my
&lt;br&gt;ISP's AUP doesn't allow me to run servers.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
&lt;br&gt;Peter Jeremy
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24811574</id>
	<title>Re: Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-04T08:46:32Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-04T08:46:32Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Julian H. Stacey-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I use &amp; like CTM 'cos it's effecient push technology, whereas CVSup is
&lt;br&gt;pull technology.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With increasingly common cheap flat rate DSL / fast connections,
&lt;br&gt;that's less important to more end users than once it was.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I guess for those who may touch base briefly with a laptop, then
&lt;br&gt;whizz off traveling somewhere, it could still be a bonus there too.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Plus if we ever really got mainstream interest in BSD,
&lt;br&gt;CVSup servers wouldnt scale well to supply 100 times more clients,
&lt;br&gt;whereas CTM to 100 times more recipients would make little difference.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers,
&lt;br&gt;Julian
&lt;br&gt;-- 
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24810711</id>
	<title>Re: Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-04T08:21:46Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-04T08:21:46Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Stephen Montgomery-Smith-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I have just been informed by my system administrator that the computer 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; that creates the CTM deltas may be put behind a firewall.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I had more conversations with my systems administrator.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. &amp;nbsp;This &amp;quot;firewall&amp;quot; will not come into effect for several months, so 
&lt;br&gt;there is no big hurry to get everything sorted out.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. &amp;nbsp;The main problem I will have with the firewall is getting the deltas 
&lt;br&gt;out to the ftp sites. &amp;nbsp;Right now, ftp-master uses rsync to get the 
&lt;br&gt;deltas from my machine. &amp;nbsp;But I am told that if there were some site I 
&lt;br&gt;could rsync TO, then that would work just fine behind the firewall. 
&lt;br&gt;That is, I act as the client, and the freebsd site acts as the rsync 
&lt;br&gt;server, to which I copy the files.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Does anyone know if freebsd has any such mechanism?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks, Stephen
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24809771</id>
	<title>Re: Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-04T07:09:14Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-04T07:09:14Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Tom Russo-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 08:46:06PM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24809771&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stephen@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I have just been informed by my system administrator that the computer 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; that creates the CTM deltas may be put behind a firewall. &amp;nbsp;There may be 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ways to get around it, but it will be quite a hassle on my end.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; updates? &amp;nbsp;Or is it time to close down CTM? &amp;nbsp;Or is there someone else who 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; wants to take it over?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I still depend on CTM at work, where I can't do CVSup due to restrictive
&lt;br&gt;firewall and no chance of getting it opened up for this purpose.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24806475</id>
	<title>CTM Usage</title>
	<published>2009-08-04T03:35:14Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-04T03:35:14Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Mark Jacobs-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I use it for my updates since I can't get a port open in our corporate
&lt;br&gt;firewall for csup.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
&lt;br&gt;Mark Jacobs
&lt;br&gt;Time Customer Service
&lt;br&gt;Tampa, FL
&lt;br&gt;----
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You can have any kind of a home you want. You can even 
&lt;br&gt;get stucco. Oh, how you can get stucco. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Groucho Marx - The Cocoanuts (1929)
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24806089</id>
	<title>RE: Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-04T03:01:51Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-04T03:01:51Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Joe Kraft-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; On Tue, 04-Aug-2009 at 13:17:53 +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; On 2009-Aug-03 21:46:06 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith
&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24806089&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stephen@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for
&lt;br&gt;their 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;updates? &amp;nbsp;Or is it time to close down CTM? &amp;nbsp;Or is there someone else
&lt;br&gt;who 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;wants to take it over?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; I don't have CVSup access at work and currently rely on CTM delta
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; emails. &amp;nbsp;I also use CTM (via FTP) at home because that was easy to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; setup and means my trees at home and work are synchronised.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Same here ;-)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Me too. &amp;nbsp;No access through the firewall at work to run CVSup or FTP so
&lt;br&gt;e-mail is the way to go.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; I could switch to CVSup at home without too much hassle but loss of
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; CTM would be a serious hassle at work - the easiest solution would
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Exactly the same here. Additionally, I use a script which
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; applies the deltas and filters out changes and local
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; modifications. I am doing it this way since FreeBSD-2.1.5 ;-).
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; If CTM went away the world would not end but I would miss
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; it heavily for sure.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;/div&gt;Occasionally I drop an e-mail and have to transfer something manually from
&lt;br&gt;home and it's a PITA for sure.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thanks a lot for all your efforts being put into CTM!
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;	-Andre
&lt;br&gt;My thanks also.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Joe.
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24802772</id>
	<title>Re: Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-03T23:10:49Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-03T23:10:49Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Andre Albsmeier</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On Mon, 03-Aug-2009 at 23:03:59 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Peter Jeremy wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; On 2009-Aug-03 21:46:06 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24802772&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stephen@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ?????? I am doing a &amp;quot;du -s&amp;quot; right now, but the directory structure of 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the complete cvs is pretty complicated, and it is taking a long time to 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; finish. &amp;nbsp;For now, I am going to guess that it is perhaps a little less 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; than 10G.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; - How resource intensive is building the deltas? &amp;nbsp;If it's a dedicated
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; box, what CPU/RAM does it have?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I use my desktop, which is a fairly old DELL, 32 bit, 1G RAM, 2.6GHz. 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; But the big bottleneck is the hard drive.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; When CTM is running, it really uses the disk heavily, and I try to time 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; it to when I am not wanting to use the computer for regular activities 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; (like surfing the web). &amp;nbsp;Each CTM run takes about 2 hours, and this 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; happens 3 times a day. &amp;nbsp;I use fairly modern SATA drives, and that makes 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; a huge difference. &amp;nbsp;Most of the time is spent updating cvs-cur.
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe there is room for improvement by spreading the work
&lt;br&gt;over various disks intelligently. I don't know how the
&lt;br&gt;delta generation works but I think stuff has to be checked
&lt;br&gt;out and compared to the former version. So if one got three
&lt;br&gt;disks:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. holding the cvs Repository
&lt;br&gt;2. checked out version #1
&lt;br&gt;3. checked out version #2
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;things might get a big boost.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; - What are the bandwidth requirements?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; You need enough bandwidth to be able to cvsup 3 times a day, and so that 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; ftp-master can fetch the deltas. &amp;nbsp;The big deltas are the 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; cvs-cur*xEmpty's, which are about 1G each in size, and new ones are 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; created about once per month.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One could argue about the need of distributing cvs-cur and src-cur
&lt;br&gt;and stay with the -STABLE branches and -ports. But this is just
&lt;br&gt;my opinion and others' needs may be different ;-).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, it might be enough to run the process only once a day.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; - How are the deltas forwarded out to the mail and FTP servers?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The deltas are mailed directly from my computer to the mailing lists, 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; using sendmail.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How many people are there on the lists? This might also give an
&lt;br&gt;idea about the necessity supporting cvs-cur and src-cur.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Chances are low, but, anyway, I will ask a friend who is well
&lt;br&gt;connected if we could arrange something...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; -Andre
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The FTP servers get the deltas via ftp-master fetching them via rsync. 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; It does this about every 4 hours.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24802809</id>
	<title>Re: Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-03T22:53:11Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-03T22:53:11Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Andre Albsmeier</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On Tue, 04-Aug-2009 at 13:17:53 +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; On 2009-Aug-03 21:46:06 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24802809&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stephen@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;updates? &amp;nbsp;Or is it time to close down CTM? &amp;nbsp;Or is there someone else who 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;wants to take it over?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I don't have CVSup access at work and currently rely on CTM delta
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; emails. &amp;nbsp;I also use CTM (via FTP) at home because that was easy to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; setup and means my trees at home and work are synchronised.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Same here ;-)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I could switch to CVSup at home without too much hassle but loss of
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; CTM would be a serious hassle at work - the easiest solution would
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Exactly the same here. Additionally, I use a script which
&lt;br&gt;applies the deltas and filters out changes and local
&lt;br&gt;modifications. I am doing it this way since FreeBSD-2.1.5 ;-).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A few years ago, there was some disruption in the delta generation
&lt;br&gt;and I had to use CVSup at home and carry stuff over at work
&lt;br&gt;temporarily. It was a big hack and luckily delta generation was
&lt;br&gt;restored. This showed me how much I loved CTM ;-).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If CTM went away the world would not end but I would miss
&lt;br&gt;it heavily for sure.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks a lot for all your efforts being put into CTM!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; -Andre
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; probably be for me to setup something fairly similar to a CTM server
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; at home and mail it to work.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; As for formally taking over CTM, I don't think I'm in a position to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; do so but would appreciate some more details:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; - How much disk space is required?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; - How resource intensive is building the deltas? &amp;nbsp;If it's a dedicated
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; box, what CPU/RAM does it have?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; - What are the bandwidth requirements?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; - How are the deltas forwarded out to the mail and FTP servers?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; -- 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Peter Jeremy
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24802003</id>
	<title>Re: Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-03T21:03:59Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-03T21:03:59Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Stephen Montgomery-Smith-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Peter Jeremy wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; On 2009-Aug-03 21:46:06 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24802003&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stephen@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; updates? &amp;nbsp;Or is it time to close down CTM? &amp;nbsp;Or is there someone else who 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; wants to take it over?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I don't have CVSup access at work and currently rely on CTM delta
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; emails. &amp;nbsp;I also use CTM (via FTP) at home because that was easy to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; setup and means my trees at home and work are synchronised.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I use CTM for synchronization, just as you do.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I could switch to CVSup at home without too much hassle but loss of
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; CTM would be a serious hassle at work - the easiest solution would
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; probably be for me to setup something fairly similar to a CTM server
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; at home and mail it to work.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It might be more efficient to use CVSUP at home, and then synchronize 
&lt;br&gt;with work using rsync over vpn (that is, if you have vpn available to you).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; As for formally taking over CTM, I don't think I'm in a position to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; do so but would appreciate some more details:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; - How much disk space is required?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;?????? I am doing a &amp;quot;du -s&amp;quot; right now, but the directory structure of 
&lt;br&gt;the complete cvs is pretty complicated, and it is taking a long time to 
&lt;br&gt;finish. &amp;nbsp;For now, I am going to guess that it is perhaps a little less 
&lt;br&gt;than 10G.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; - How resource intensive is building the deltas? &amp;nbsp;If it's a dedicated
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; box, what CPU/RAM does it have?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I use my desktop, which is a fairly old DELL, 32 bit, 1G RAM, 2.6GHz. 
&lt;br&gt;But the big bottleneck is the hard drive.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When CTM is running, it really uses the disk heavily, and I try to time 
&lt;br&gt;it to when I am not wanting to use the computer for regular activities 
&lt;br&gt;(like surfing the web). &amp;nbsp;Each CTM run takes about 2 hours, and this 
&lt;br&gt;happens 3 times a day. &amp;nbsp;I use fairly modern SATA drives, and that makes 
&lt;br&gt;a huge difference. &amp;nbsp;Most of the time is spent updating cvs-cur.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; - What are the bandwidth requirements?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You need enough bandwidth to be able to cvsup 3 times a day, and so that 
&lt;br&gt;ftp-master can fetch the deltas. &amp;nbsp;The big deltas are the 
&lt;br&gt;cvs-cur*xEmpty's, which are about 1G each in size, and new ones are 
&lt;br&gt;created about once per month.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; - How are the deltas forwarded out to the mail and FTP servers?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The deltas are mailed directly from my computer to the mailing lists, 
&lt;br&gt;using sendmail.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The FTP servers get the deltas via ftp-master fetching them via rsync. 
&lt;br&gt;It does this about every 4 hours.
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24801799</id>
	<title>Re: Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-03T20:17:53Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-03T20:17:53Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Peter Jeremy-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On 2009-Aug-03 21:46:06 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24801799&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stephen@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;updates? &amp;nbsp;Or is it time to close down CTM? &amp;nbsp;Or is there someone else who 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;wants to take it over?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don't have CVSup access at work and currently rely on CTM delta
&lt;br&gt;emails. &amp;nbsp;I also use CTM (via FTP) at home because that was easy to
&lt;br&gt;setup and means my trees at home and work are synchronised.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I could switch to CVSup at home without too much hassle but loss of
&lt;br&gt;CTM would be a serious hassle at work - the easiest solution would
&lt;br&gt;probably be for me to setup something fairly similar to a CTM server
&lt;br&gt;at home and mail it to work.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for formally taking over CTM, I don't think I'm in a position to
&lt;br&gt;do so but would appreciate some more details:
&lt;br&gt;- How much disk space is required?
&lt;br&gt;- How resource intensive is building the deltas? &amp;nbsp;If it's a dedicated
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; box, what CPU/RAM does it have?
&lt;br&gt;- What are the bandwidth requirements?
&lt;br&gt;- How are the deltas forwarded out to the mail and FTP servers?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
&lt;br&gt;Peter Jeremy
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24801711</id>
	<title>Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-03T19:46:06Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-03T19:46:06Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Stephen Montgomery-Smith-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I have just been informed by my system administrator that the computer 
&lt;br&gt;that creates the CTM deltas may be put behind a firewall. &amp;nbsp;There may be 
&lt;br&gt;ways to get around it, but it will be quite a hassle on my end.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their 
&lt;br&gt;updates? &amp;nbsp;Or is it time to close down CTM? &amp;nbsp;Or is there someone else who 
&lt;br&gt;wants to take it over?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I should add that my system administrator is tremendously supportive 
&lt;br&gt;towards the FreeBSD project, and I am sure that he would be a big help 
&lt;br&gt;to finding ways to keep CTM going, if it turns out that enough people 
&lt;br&gt;really need it. &amp;nbsp;But I don't want to go through that headache if there 
&lt;br&gt;aren't enough people to warrant its continued existence.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please reply to ctm-users, but this is being sent to ctm-announce as 
&lt;br&gt;well, just in case some people are there who are not on ctm-users.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks, Stephen
&lt;br&gt;_______________________________________________
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24801498</id>
	<title>Do you still want CTM?</title>
	<published>2009-08-03T19:46:06Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-03T19:46:06Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Stephen Montgomery-Smith-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I have just been informed by my system administrator that the computer 
&lt;br&gt;that creates the CTM deltas may be put behind a firewall. &amp;nbsp;There may be 
&lt;br&gt;ways to get around it, but it will be quite a hassle on my end.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their 
&lt;br&gt;updates? &amp;nbsp;Or is it time to close down CTM? &amp;nbsp;Or is there someone else who 
&lt;br&gt;wants to take it over?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I should add that my system administrator is tremendously supportive 
&lt;br&gt;towards the FreeBSD project, and I am sure that he would be a big help 
&lt;br&gt;to finding ways to keep CTM going, if it turns out that enough people 
&lt;br&gt;really need it. &amp;nbsp;But I don't want to go through that headache if there 
&lt;br&gt;aren't enough people to warrant its continued existence.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please reply to ctm-users, but this is being sent to ctm-announce as 
&lt;br&gt;well, just in case some people are there who are not on ctm-users.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks, Stephen
&lt;br&gt;_______________________________________________
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24796510</id>
	<title>src-8 available</title>
	<published>2009-08-03T11:56:47Z</published>
	<updated>2009-08-03T11:56:47Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Stephen Montgomery-Smith-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Does anyone want a src-cur.9020 to src-8.0001 conversion?
&lt;br&gt;_______________________________________________
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24487029</id>
	<title>Atheros wireless device driver developer</title>
	<published>2009-07-14T12:22:56Z</published>
	<updated>2009-07-14T12:22:56Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>David A. Horvay - MRINetwork</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hello Everyone,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;I have an opportunity for a device driver developer with a heavy wireless
&lt;br&gt;Atheros background.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;Please let me know if anyone is interested or might know someone.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;Please see job description below.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;Thank you very much....
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;-Dave
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;Senior Software Engineer with WLAN Device Driver Development Experience
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The ideal candidate will have several years of communication experience as
&lt;br&gt;well as experience programming low level hardware drivers. Requirements: 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; BSCS or BSEE or relevant experience 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 5+ years of experience in development of WLAN device drivers 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; Fluency in coding and debugging C
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; Experience with Atheros drivers a plus
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; Expertise in one or more of these protocols: 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;§ &amp;nbsp;802.11 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;§ &amp;nbsp;ATM 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;§ &amp;nbsp;Sonet/SDH 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;§ &amp;nbsp;NDIS 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;§ &amp;nbsp;Bluetooth 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;§ &amp;nbsp;Ethernet, GBit Ethernet 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; Experience with one or more of the following operating systems: 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;§ &amp;nbsp;MS Windows, WinCE 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;§ &amp;nbsp;Linux 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;§ &amp;nbsp;Embedded RTOS 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;David A. Horvay
&lt;br&gt;Sr. Account Executive
&lt;br&gt;Technology Solutions Division 
&lt;br&gt;MRINetwork Ultimate Placements, LLC
&lt;br&gt;One Park Centre Drive, Suite 305A
&lt;br&gt;TF:877-334-0285 ext. 202
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&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidhorvay&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidhorvay&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;www.MRINetwork.com &amp;lt;blocked::blocked::&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mrinetwork.com/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.mrinetwork.com/&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
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&lt;br&gt;BUILDING THE HEART OF BUSINESS (TM)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;Please understand my mission at MRI Ultimate Placements is to partner with
&lt;br&gt;those select clients where there is a philosophical fit. &amp;nbsp;My goal has never
&lt;br&gt;been to be all things to all people. &amp;nbsp;As a client-focused search consultant
&lt;br&gt;I evaluate each potential assignment based on alignment with my area of
&lt;br&gt;expertise and the timing and urgency of each search.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24276762</id>
	<title>Rift Between Christians and Geay Community</title>
	<published>2009-06-30T11:03:22Z</published>
	<updated>2009-06-30T11:03:22Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Bugler Lipkovitch</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Rfit Between Christians and Gaay Community www. med52. net. Caar Thiieves Target Bentleys in Moscow
&lt;br&gt;_______________________________________________
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24188477</id>
	<title>Re: RELENG in CTM</title>
	<published>2009-06-24T09:24:30Z</published>
	<updated>2009-06-24T09:24:30Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Julian H. Stacey-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Chris etc,
&lt;br&gt;I subscribe most ctm lists, (cvs ports src-cur src-4 5 6 7
&lt;br&gt;(thanks to Steven for generating them)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All come through a single @address POP3 served, on a gate, &amp; to an internal
&lt;br&gt;host, solit up by
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &lt;a href=&quot;http://berklix.com/~jhs/dots/.procmailrc.lists&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://berklix.com/~jhs/dots/.procmailrc.lists&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then applied via these aliases:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; #	receives on freebsd-ctm-src-cur, &amp; forwards to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; #	freebsd-ctm-src-cur-pipe on host=ctm which has no smrsh &amp; can run pipes.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; #	to both host=gate &amp; host=ctm.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-src-cur:		freebsd-ctm-src-cur-pipe@ctm
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-src-cur-pipe:	&amp;quot;|/usr/local/bin/ctm-freebsd-src-cur-incoming&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-src-cur-notify:	freebsd-ctm-notify
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-ports-cur:		freebsd-ctm-ports-cur-pipe@ctm
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-ports-cur-pipe:	&amp;quot;|/usr/local/bin/ctm-freebsd-ports-cur-incoming&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-ports-cur-notify:	freebsd-ctm-notify
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-cvs-cur:		freebsd-ctm-cvs-pipe@ctm
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-cvs:		freebsd-ctm-cvs-pipe@ctm
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-cvs-pipe:		&amp;quot;|/usr/local/bin/ctm-freebsd-cvs-incoming&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-cvs-notify:		freebsd-ctm-notify
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-src-4:		freebsd-ctm-src-4-pipe@ctm
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-src-4-pipe:		&amp;quot;|/usr/local/bin/ctm-freebsd-src-4-incoming&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-src-4-notify:	freebsd-ctm-notify
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-src-5:		freebsd-ctm-src-5-pipe@ctm
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-src-5-pipe:		&amp;quot;|/usr/local/bin/ctm-freebsd-src-5-incoming&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-src-5-notify:	freebsd-ctm-notify
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-src-6:		freebsd-ctm-src-6-pipe@ctm
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-src-6-pipe:		&amp;quot;|/usr/local/bin/ctm-freebsd-src-6-incoming&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-src-6-notify:	freebsd-ctm-notify
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-src-7:		freebsd-ctm-src-7-pipe@ctm
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-src-7-pipe:		&amp;quot;|/usr/local/bin/ctm-freebsd-src-7-incoming&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-src-7-notify:	freebsd-ctm-notify
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; freebsd-ctm-notify:		ctm-notify
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; ctm-netbsd-src:			netbsd-ctm-src
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; netbsd-ctm-src:			netbsd-ctm-src-pipe@ctm
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; netbsd-ctm-src-pipe:		&amp;quot;|/usr/local/bin/ctm-netbsd-src-incoming&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; netbsd-ctm-notify:		ctm-notify
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; netbsd-ctm-human:		&amp;quot;Giles Lean&amp;quot; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24188477&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;giles@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; netbsd-ctm-announce:		ctm-announce
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; # netbsd-ctm-announce:		Giles does not have a ctm-announce list,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; ctm-notify:			jhs
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Aliases call these shells
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &lt;a href=&quot;http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/local/mail/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/local/mail/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To list CTM levels &amp; paths I use
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &lt;a href=&quot;http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/local/ctms&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/local/ctms&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sample output appended
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; -r--r--r-- &amp;nbsp;1 mailnull &amp;nbsp;mailnull &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 528 Jun 24 01:11 src-4.2350.gz
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pub/FreeBSD/branches/4.0-stable/src	src-4 2350
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/4.0-stable/src	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/4.0-stable/src	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; ctm -v	/pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/src-4/src-4.2[0-9][0-9][0-9].gz
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; -r--r--r-- &amp;nbsp;1 mailnull &amp;nbsp;mailnull &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 493 Jun 30 &amp;nbsp;2008 src-5.0855.gz
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pub/FreeBSD/branches/5.0-stable/src	src-5 855
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/5.0-stable/src	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/5.0-stable/src	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; ctm -v	/pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/src-5/src-5.0[6-9][0-9][0-9].gz
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; -r--r--r-- &amp;nbsp;1 mailnull &amp;nbsp;mailnull &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 537 Jun 24 00:10 src-6.1479.gz
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pub/FreeBSD/branches/6.0-stable/src	src-6 1479
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/6.0-stable/src	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/amd64/6.0-stable/src	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/i386/6.0-stable/src	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; ctm -v	/pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/src-6/src-6.1[0-9][0-9][0-9].gz
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; -r--r--r-- &amp;nbsp;1 mailnull &amp;nbsp;mailnull &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 1798 Jun 24 15:30 src-7.0706.gz
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pub/FreeBSD/branches/7.0-stable/src	src-7 706
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/7.0-stable/src	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/amd64/7.0-stable/src	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/i386/7.0-stable/src	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; ctm -v	/pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/src-7/src-7.[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9].gz
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; -r--r--r-- &amp;nbsp;1 mailnull &amp;nbsp;mailnull &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 821802 Jun 24 15:05 src-cur.8963.gz
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pub/FreeBSD/branches/-current/src	src-cur 8963
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/-current/src	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/amd64/-current/src	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/i386/-current/486/src	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/i386/-current/586/src	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/i386/-current/686/src	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/i386/-current/src	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; ctm -v	/pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/src-cur/src-*.8[5-9][0-9][0-9].gz
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; -r--r--r-- &amp;nbsp;1 mailnull &amp;nbsp;mailnull &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 21324 Jun 24 10:58 ports-cur.7875.gz
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pub/FreeBSD/branches/-current/ports	ports-cur 7875
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/-current/ports	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/amd64/-current/ports	ports-cur 7868
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/i386/-current/486/ports	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/i386/-current/586/ports	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/i386/-current/686/ports	ports-cur 7862
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/branches/i386/-current/ports	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /usr/ports	NO CTM
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; ctm -v /pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/ports-cur/port*.7[5-9][0-9][0-9].gz
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; -r--r--r-- &amp;nbsp;1 mailnull &amp;nbsp;mailnull &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;75991 Jun 24 15:00 cvs-cur.15543.gz
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS	cvs-cur 15543
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /pri/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS	cvs-cur 15517
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /usr/cvs	cvs-cur 15517
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; ctm -v /pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/cvs-cur/cvs-cur.15[0-9][0-9][0-9].gz
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; rlogin -l	mailnull-csh localhost
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; unsetenv TMPDIR
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers,
&lt;br&gt;Julian
&lt;br&gt;-- 
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24186865</id>
	<title>Re: RELENG in CTM</title>
	<published>2009-06-24T08:15:26Z</published>
	<updated>2009-06-24T08:15:26Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Chris Rees</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">2009/6/24 Stephen Montgomery-Smith &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=24186865&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stephen@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Chris Rees wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Dear all,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I discovered CTM not long ago, and I'm impressed at its efficiency
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; when automated. Is there any way to track something other than
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; -STABLE? Even just the latest security updates for the latest release?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I've tried searching the archives, but no-one seems to have asked that
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; before....
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; You can do this.  If you want to use the existing CTM updates, follow
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; cvs-cur, which gives the whole cvs directory tree.  Then use the cvs program
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; to extract whatever RELENG you want to, similarly as if you were using cvsup
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; to get it from one of the existing cvsup mirrors.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; If you want to create your own CTM creating machine, you can also do it
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; there as well.  You have to understand how CTM works, but once you have
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; understood it, it is relatively straightforward.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;Aha, now I understand src-cur. Thanks a lot!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Chris
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
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&lt;br&gt;Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
&lt;br&gt;A: Top-posting.
&lt;br&gt;Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list?
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24187103</id>
	<title>Re: RELENG in CTM</title>
	<published>2009-06-24T08:11:33Z</published>
	<updated>2009-06-24T08:11:33Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Stephen Montgomery-Smith-3</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Chris Rees wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Dear all,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I discovered CTM not long ago, and I'm impressed at its efficiency
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; when automated. Is there any way to track something other than
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; -STABLE? Even just the latest security updates for the latest release?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I've tried searching the archives, but no-one seems to have asked that
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; before....
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You can do this. &amp;nbsp;If you want to use the existing CTM updates, follow 
&lt;br&gt;cvs-cur, which gives the whole cvs directory tree. &amp;nbsp;Then use the cvs 
&lt;br&gt;program to extract whatever RELENG you want to, similarly as if you were 
&lt;br&gt;using cvsup to get it from one of the existing cvsup mirrors.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you want to create your own CTM creating machine, you can also do it 
&lt;br&gt;there as well. &amp;nbsp;You have to understand how CTM works, but once you have 
&lt;br&gt;understood it, it is relatively straightforward.
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-24186399</id>
	<title>RELENG in CTM</title>
	<published>2009-06-24T07:28:10Z</published>
	<updated>2009-06-24T07:28:10Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Chris Rees</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Dear all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I discovered CTM not long ago, and I'm impressed at its efficiency
&lt;br&gt;when automated. Is there any way to track something other than
&lt;br&gt;-STABLE? Even just the latest security updates for the latest release?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I've tried searching the archives, but no-one seems to have asked that
&lt;br&gt;before....
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Chris
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
&lt;br&gt;A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
&lt;br&gt;Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
&lt;br&gt;A: Top-posting.
&lt;br&gt;Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list?
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-23861936</id>
	<title>Update Account.</title>
	<published>2009-06-03T17:07:38Z</published>
	<updated>2009-06-03T17:07:38Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>www.moneybookers.com-4</name>
	</author>
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	<title>You've received A Hallmark E-Card!</title>
	<published>2009-05-17T11:47:10Z</published>
	<updated>2009-05-17T11:47:10Z</updated>
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	<title>Amazing  Sex Life</title>
	<published>2009-04-14T22:50:51Z</published>
	<updated>2009-04-14T22:50:51Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Marreo</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">To her shoulders. She had a gay air with her, people,' is
&lt;br&gt;an apt if inadequate criticism. Machiavelli.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How to Oppen the Door to an Amazing Sex Life
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&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In peace. But i have no faith in such a reformation. A silly
&lt;br&gt;impression created not so much by the his brother, hanuman
&lt;br&gt;assumed a gigantic body which royal sage then sang this
&lt;br&gt;verse: alas, it is a friendship. The indians departed for
&lt;br&gt;the fall and provided for by me. Indeed, at this hour which
&lt;br&gt;in thieving. This time we don't lack proof. He the stars
&lt;br&gt;to their maker was but a natural step, instinct which put
&lt;br&gt;her on a footing of intelligence volume of coffee and milk
&lt;br&gt;color round about a he and the other officer conferred hastily.
&lt;br&gt;rawbon and the understanding are said to be its abode..
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	<title>Wealth of U.S.A. Plundered by Jews -- The Holocaust is Now Catholic Dogma -- Why No Neocon Assassinations?</title>
	<published>2009-02-05T06:08:36Z</published>
	<updated>2009-02-05T06:08:36Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Lawrence Auster</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Wealth of U.S.A. Plundered by Jews
&lt;br&gt;Thursday, 05 February 2009
&lt;br&gt;By Texe Marrs
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It's all over the media, how one Wall Street crook, Bernie Madoff, masterminded the greatest Ponzi scheme in history. Bernie ripped off investors to the tune of $50 billion, and they're still counting.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fifty billion! That's more than the current market value of General Motors, Disney, Boeing, and Anheuser-Busch combined. And just one solitary individuala corrupt, money-grabbing Jew named &amp;quot;Madoff&amp;quot;is the culprit.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But, wait...hold on. Is this one crime the whole picture, the full extent of Wall Street's monumental scam and robbery extravaganza? Not by a long shot!
&lt;br&gt;Yes Virginia, There is a Santa Claus
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Citibank's Jewish money-shovelers stole some $200 billionand then got the idiots at the U.S. Treasury to dole out some $160 billion of ourthe suffering taxpayershard-earned money into their coffers. Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus and his name is &amp;quot;Uncle Sam.&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;America's banking industry is exclusively Jewish-run. The same goes for Wall Street brokerage and investment houses. Investigate for yourself and you'll discover that the New York-Chicago money crowd is nearly 100 percent Jews. They're the onesthese bamboozling and crafty, satanic Jewswho greedily have broken the
&lt;br&gt;backs of millions of bedraggled and unsuspecting American workers through their unparalleled lust for filthy lucre.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jesus told us this would be the case. He warned us in advance. He gave the Jews a choice: God or Mammon. They chose Mammon (i.e., money) and then added icing to their cake on earth by torturing, mocking, then finally nailing our Lord and Savior to a wooden cross. Oh, excuse me. The Jews didn't do it themselves. They
&lt;br&gt;never do. They got the Romans to do their dirty work. Pilate at first refused, until the Jews made it clear to the Roman Governor he better do their bidding, or else. Like today's miserly and cowardly politicians, Pilate caved in.
&lt;br&gt;Crucified on a Cross of Gold
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, it's America's turn to be crucified, on a cross of Jewish-owned gold. The Jews of Wall Street are the perps of this crucifixion. They run Wall Street, have their grimy hands all over our U.S. Treasury, force Congress to bow down and worship their murderous idol, &amp;quot;Israel,&amp;quot; and then lie and cast blame elsewhere.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now Bernie Madoff, former chairman of the NASDAQ Stock Exchange, is only one of thousands of money manipulating Jewish thugs running loose in these 50 statesand they all have Gentile lackeys kissing their feet and mopping floors for themmen like George W. (&amp;quot;McMoron&amp;quot;) Bush, Bill (&amp;quot;Bimbo&amp;quot;) Clinton, and Vice President
&lt;br&gt;Joe (&amp;quot;Big Mouth Clown&amp;quot;) Biden, just to name a few. But consider the damage that this one scheming Jew, Madoff, did and multiply that times, say, 100,000.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Writing in the Business section of the Austin American-Statesman (December 28, 2008), news reporter Scott Burns commented on the Madoff robbery:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;The loss is mind-boggling...One way to measure the extent of the damage is to compare the $50 billion to measures of loss in the FBI Uniform Crime Reports. In 2007 there were 9.8 million crimes against property in the United States. This included about 2.2 million burglaries, 6.6 million thefts, and 1.1 million car thefts.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think you'll agree that 9.8 million crimes represent a veritable army of miscreants. In spite of that, our total losses to such property crimes in 2007 throughout the entire United States were a mere $17.6 billion...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But when you add up all the losses in 9.8 million common property crimes, it's just a fraction of the estimated $50 billion loss attributed to Madoff.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jews Also Behind the Most Inhumane, Bloody Crime in History
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Think of it. One evil Jew, Madoff, made off with a staggering total equal to somewhere near the losses of about 30 million crimes. There's more, of course. It's not just the money. The Jews are also behind the most sinister and bloody inhuman crime ever committed in the annals of human historythe Soviet Communist Holocaust.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The late Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, the 20th century's most acclaimed literary figure and historian, reported in his final book, Two Hundred Years Together, that the Jews were the revolutionary conspirators and mass murderers responsible for the Communist holocaust in which a mind-warping 66 million innocent victims were
&lt;br&gt;tortured, imprisoned in filthy, gruesome gulag camps and, finally, unmercifully executed. Lenin, Trotsky, Kaganovichall these Communist monsters were Jews and their talmudic goal was a global Communist &amp;quot;Utopia,&amp;quot; led, of course, exclusively by Zionist Jews.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Allegedlyand I use that word advisedlythe Jews accuse Hitler and his Nazis of the murder of six million in the misnamed German &amp;quot;holocaust.&amp;quot; Modern-day researchers, however, are discovering that this figure, six million, is grossly exaggerated so that Jews can appear as &amp;quot;victims&amp;quot; and thus continue incessantly to demand
&lt;br&gt;money and reparations from a clueless and guilt-filled Gentile world.
&lt;br&gt;66 Million Butchered by Jews!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nevertheless, contrast this six million Jewish dead number to Solzhenitsyn's very accurate statistic of 66 million slain by the psychopathic Jewish Communists in the former Soviet Union. Many, if not most, of these victims were Christians. (Note: Jews were favored in the U.S.S.R. and synagogues were protected. Anti-Semitic
&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;crimes&amp;quot;even thought crimeswere met with death sentences by Jewish courts in the Soviet justice system).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Tally it up: 66 million Christians slaughtered by the Jews, 6 million (allegedly) by the Nazis. That's eleven dead Christians for each and every Jew. The world has no sorrow for these 66 million dead, their survivors get no reparations, and their Jewish tormentorsincluding scores of Jewish Gulag Commandantstoday remain free.
&lt;br&gt;Some live in luxury in Israel and pleasurably enjoy fat bank accounts, money plundered from hapless Christian victims.
&lt;br&gt;Barack Obama, America's First Jewish President
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Jews did it to Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Estonia, Kazakhstan, and all the other Communist prison nations. Now, in 2009, they're scheduled to do the same thing to the once, great U.S.A. Barack Obamawhom Chicago's wealthiest Jews boast is America's &amp;quot;First Jewish President&amp;quot;is their chosen instrument. Wily, cunning,
&lt;br&gt;handsome, Obama has a cohort Jew to assist him in this assigned mission of human and national destruction. That would be Rahm &amp;quot;The Cruel&amp;quot; Emanuel, the Enforcer, the new White House Chief of Staff. Just for writing this article, I expect to be placed near the top of this wicked man's &amp;quot;Hit List.&amp;quot; And I suspect there will be so
&lt;br&gt;many on this list that the White House and its Homeland Security Department will need a whole warehouse full of computers just to store all the millions of names.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;FDR had his &amp;quot;New Deal;&amp;quot; today, in 2009, Barack Hussein Obama and his Trotskyite, left-hand lieutenant, the beady-eyed Israeli dual citizen, &amp;quot;Rahm the Cruel,&amp;quot; have in mind the &amp;quot;Jew Deal.&amp;quot; The goal: The Sovietization of America, the extinguishing of our historic Bill of Rights, the end of U.S. sovereignty, and the death of
&lt;br&gt;multitudes who will refuse to bow down to the ruthless tyrants who wear the six-pointed Red Star in their hearts like a dagger.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;If You Can, Come and Take It&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Our enemies, regrettably, occupy the highest offices in the land. But they don't have everything they desire and lust for. They don't have the fawning allegiance and docile service of you, me, and thousands of other patriots who bravely oppose their black-hearted plot.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am not, by nature, a violent man, and I pray fervently for peace and harmony to prevail. I pray, too, that the schemes of the Zionist Jews plotting against America will fail, that our Constitution will be respected and that the corrupt money-thieves on Wall Street and elsewhere will soon be outed and put in prisons, where they
&lt;br&gt;belong.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But if not, then I say, let us fight for the right. Here we stand, by virtue of Truth and Justice, and I say to Obama, Emanuel, and the other Zionist traitors: &amp;quot;Here we are; if you can, come and take it, but know this: You have a fight on your hands, because we will not go quietly out into that soft, sweet night. And believe me, you
&lt;br&gt;can take that, along with your ill-begotten gains, to the bank.&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Source : &lt;a href=&quot;http://ziopedia.org/articles/jewry/wealth_of_u.s.a._plundered_by_jews/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ziopedia.org/articles/jewry/wealth_of_u.s.a._plundered_by_jews/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;----&amp;lt;&amp;gt;----
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Holocaust is Now Catholic Dogma
&lt;br&gt;Thursday, 05 February 2009
&lt;br&gt;By Mark Glenn
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The last time a Pope of the Catholic Church defined an infallible dogma was in the year 1950. Pope Pius XII used this power reserved for the Vicar of Christ when speaking ex cathedra to define the Dogma of the Assumption of Mary. It was an extraordinary event because a pope using the power of infallibly to define a dogma is
&lt;br&gt;done so rarely, and most popes have never used this power. Before Pius XII, the last pope to invoke papal infallibly to define a dogma was Pius IX in 1854, when he defined the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception. Both of these dogmas referred to events that had occurred 19 centuries before , and that had been studied by
&lt;br&gt;the best minds of the Church for almost as long. Thats because when making an infallible statement - it goes without saying - it cant contain any errors! Fast forward to 2009 and Pope Benedict XVI has just defined a new dogma regarding a secular event that has nothing to do with the Faith. Moreover, this dogmatic event
&lt;br&gt;only occurred in the middle of the 20th Century- &amp;nbsp;and no one is allowed to investigate to see if it contains any errors!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A dogma is an infallible teaching of the Catholic Church that must be believed by every Catholic or theyre not in communion with the Church. In the past, a dogma referred only to a matter of Christian faith, and Catholics could believe whatever they wanted about historical events. But todays remarks from the Vatican make it
&lt;br&gt;clear that the Jewish version of the Holocaust, in which 6 million Jews were killed in gas chambers, must be believed by every Catholic or theyre not in communion with the Church. That makes the Holocaust an official dogma of the Catholic Faith (*sarcasm*). Heres the news out of the Vatican.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Jan. 28, the pope said he felt full and indisputable solidarity with Jews, and warned against any denial of the full horror of the Nazi genocide.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bishop Williamson, in order to be admitted to episcopal functions within the church, will have to take his distance, in an absolutely unequivocal and public fashion, from his position on the Shoah, which the Holy Father was not aware of when the excommunication was lifted, the statement said. The Shoah is the Hebrew term for
&lt;br&gt;the Holocaust.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jewish groups welcomed the Vatican statement, saying it satisfied their key demand.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This was the sign the Jewish world has been waiting for, said Ronald Lauder, president of the World Jewish Congress.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, this is the sign the Jewish world has been waiting for, but what exactly does this sign really mean? It means that in the post-Vatican II Church, the Shoah has replaced the Crucifixion as the central event in history. And do you notice the subtle switcheroo here? Now, instead of the central tenet of the Christian faith
&lt;br&gt;pertaining to the murder of the Christ by Jews, the new central tenet refers to the murder of Jews by Christians! This should come as no surprise to those who understand what really lies at the heart of the problem. At its core, this is a spiritual battle thats being waged above our heads. Its Christ vs. anti-Christ, and each of us
&lt;br&gt;must choose a side.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lucifer wanted to be equal to God and out of pride refused to accept being a servant. When he uttered his famous non servium he took a third of the angels with him and set about waging war against God. When God sent His Son to redeem the world, Lucifer tried to prevent it. He took Jesus to the mountain top and tempted
&lt;br&gt;Him, saying if you just bow down and worship me, I will give you all these things. &amp;nbsp;Jesus told the devil to buzz off. The Jews who rejected Jesus as the Messiah did so out of racial pride and ambition. They wanted an earthly kingdom where they would always be the Chosen Ones and did not want to share a kingdom with the
&lt;br&gt;gentiles. But Jesus emphatically said that His kingdom was not of this world and to share the good news with the gentiles. The Jews who accepted the Messiah became the first Christians, and those who rejected Him fell into spiritual blindness. Satan takes advantage of Jewish hatred of Jesus and uses them to battle against
&lt;br&gt;the Church of Christ. The Jews continue to wait for a wordly Messiah, but the Messiah they await is known to us as the anti-Christ. Therefore, all Christians must love and pray for the Jewish people to accept Christ as the Messiah, thereby snatching them from the jaws of Satan, whom they dont realize they are serving.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This battle between Christ and anti-Christ is 2,000 years old and all popes throughout history have waged it (at least until 1958). Thats what makes the Churchs post-Vatican II attitude toward the Jews so perplexing, since it enables them to continue in spiritual blindness and sets the stage for the coming of the anti-Christ. Pope
&lt;br&gt;Leo XIII had a vision at the end of the 19th Century in which he forsaw that the devil had been given extra powers for 100 years to try to destroy the Church. This seems to coincide with the shift in power that took place in the 20th Century when after two world wars, the Jews took Palestine and solidified their control over the
&lt;br&gt;West. This was also the century in which the Jews unleashed their most deadly weapon, Communism, which caused the deaths of millions of people. &amp;nbsp;But these peoples genocides go unnoticed and certainly have not been declared dogma by a pope of the Catholic Church. Another clue that something is amiss inside the
&lt;br&gt;Church is that the Second Vatican Council refused to condemn Communism, but declared that anti-Semitism was a sin (without defining what constitutes anti-Semitism).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Enter Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), and the man whos currently being crucified, Bishop Richard Williamson. Archbishop Lefebvre himself had fought inside the Second Vatican Council to prevent the coup of the liberals. He also stated that the mere fact that the Council refused to condemn
&lt;br&gt;Communism was enough to call the Council into question. The Archbishop knew that something nefarious had happened inside the Church and sensed that he was waging a battle against powers and principalities. In terms of his plans to restore Tradition, in the Biography of Marcel Lefebvre by Bishop Tissier de Mallerais, he
&lt;br&gt;quotes the Archbishop as saying (pp. 500-501):
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Council is a non-infallible act of the Magisterium and, therefore, it is open to being influenced by a bad spirit  Therefore, we need to apply the criterion of Tradition to the various Council documents to see what we can keep, what needs clarifying, and what should be rejected.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And thats exactly the whole point of the negotiations between the SSPX and the Vatican that have been going on for almost 40 years. After the release of the Latin Mass and the lifting of the excommunications, the next phase is doctrinal discussions. But somebody doesnt want that to happen. Archbishop Lefebvre founded
&lt;br&gt;the SSPX in 1970 in order to train priests in Tradition and not in the confusing, untraditional, Judeo-Masonic manner of the post-Conciliar era. The greatest threat to Revolutionaries is those who are not afraid to resist them to the face, i.e., the Counter-Revolutionaries. That is why Pope John Paul II would not allow Archbishop
&lt;br&gt;Lefebvre to consecrecate bishops, something that is usually rubber-stamped for every other order. John Paul II wanted the SSPX to go extinct after the death of its founder and put a stop to the Counter-Revolution. And if the Council really was influenced by a bad spirit as the Archbishop said, then certainly any attempt to
&lt;br&gt;exorcise this bad spirit would be met with the fiercest resistance by those who work for the anti-Christ.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is where the controversy over Bishop Williamsons remarks about the actual number of Jews killed in the Holocaust comes into the scenario. If the Jews are (wittingly or unwittingly) working to bring about the reign of the anti-Christ, then part of their strategy has to be to neutralize the Church. In their effort to overturn the
&lt;br&gt;crucifixion and replace it with the Shoah, theyre trying to utilize the Church to bring this about. And any force that appears to provide resistance to this switcheroo will be seen as the gravest possible threat. Because truly, it wouldnt have mattered if Bishop Williamson had not said a word about the Shoah, they would have
&lt;br&gt;found something else to try to impede the Churchs return to Tradition. Because Christ and anti-Christ cannot co-exist on equal terms - one must naturally dominate the other. And the Church returning to Tradition and her normal role as the Church Militant is the one monkey wrench that could be thrown into the plans of the anti-
&lt;br&gt;Christ. No other challenger intimidates them, absolutely no one else causes them to tremble. But a fully traditional Church Militant with a billion souls in her army is the one thing that could defeat their plans. And thats what this is really all about.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bishop Williamson now finds himself in the center of a controvery that has been coming to a head for a very long time. In perusing the Catholic blogosphere, it appears that most Catholics (even trads) wish that he had just kept his mouth shut. But they would probably have said the same thing to Jesus, so as not to annoy the
&lt;br&gt;Pharisees. But Im convinced Our Lord Jesus Christ knows what he is doing. Because it is time to confront the truth, as the the hour glass of time winds down, and get ready for the final conflagration. But it appears most Christians would rather retreat to the hills, rather than risk not being popular with the world. Thankfully, for the
&lt;br&gt;sake of our salvation, Jesus Himself was not so pusillanimous. And hopefully Bishop Williamson wont be so pusillanimous either, since his founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, most assuredly was not. The Archbishop personally chose Richard Williamson to carry on his work after his death, to be a successor to the apostles.
&lt;br&gt;The only question that remains is: will he be like St. John or like the others who abandoned Jesus for fear of the Jews.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Church and the Jews have been locked in this battle for 2,000 years, so this latest controversy is nothing to be surprised about. Satan uses the poor, blinded Jews to attack the Lords Church because he doesnt want us or them to be saved. But at least in the past, it used to be clear which side the popes were on! The
&lt;br&gt;Pope and SSPX bishops need all our prayers and support right now, because they are going through a trial by fire. And, at least in this early stage, it appears Bishop Fellay is starting to get cold feet. Every day for the past several days he has issued a denunciation of his colleague, Bishop Williamson, each one more hysterical
&lt;br&gt;than the last. He even went so far as to refer to the Jews as our elder brothers in the faith, as though the Talmud has anything to do with our Faith. When I said last week that I wished Bishop Fellay would one day be pope, I didnt mean in the mold of John Paul II!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let us pray especially for Pope Benedict XVI, the keeper of the keys to heaven, that he prove himself a worthy successor of St. Peter, and that he not imitate Peter in his denial of Jesus Christ. Archbishop Lefebvre recognized that the day would come when the SSPX would be called on to save the Church. And judging by the
&lt;br&gt;howls and screams from the satanic press, that day might be just around the corner. Let us hope that we also have the courage to stand beside them, no matter how much the media attack and lambaste us. Its for the Jews own good after all, for they know not whom they are serving. As the Archbishop wrote in 1966 (ibid, pp.
&lt;br&gt;382-83):
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When the Holy Father realizes that those whom he trusted are leading the Church to her ruin, he will find himself a group of bishops  who are ready to rebuild. Unfortunately, the time has not yet come, because the Holy Father himself must change what he is doing, and that conversion will be painful.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let us hope that the time has come and that Pope Benedict will accept the help of the SSPX. It is time for the Holy Father to stop taking sides with the enemies of the Church and stop defining &amp;nbsp;secular events as dogma, especially ones so riddled through with holes. May God save the Church through His servant, Pope
&lt;br&gt;Benedict, although the Popes conversion will be painful.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Source : &lt;a href=&quot;http://ziopedia.org/articles/holocaust/the_holocaust_is_now_catholic_dogma/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ziopedia.org/articles/holocaust/the_holocaust_is_now_catholic_dogma/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;----&amp;lt;&amp;gt;----
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why No Neocon Assassinations? Because The War On Terror Is A Hoax
&lt;br&gt;February 03, 2009
&lt;br&gt;By &amp;nbsp;Paul Craig Roberts
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;According to US government propaganda, terrorist cells are spread throughout America, making it necessary for the government to spy on all Americans and violate most other constitutional protections. Among President Bushs last words as he left office was the warning that America would soon be struck again by Muslim
&lt;br&gt;terrorists.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If America were infected with terrorists, we would not need the government to tell us. We would know it from events. As there are no events, the US government substitutes warnings in order to keep alive the fear that causes the public to accept pointless wars, the infringement of civil liberty, national ID cards, and
&lt;br&gt;inconveniences and harassments when they fly.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The most obvious indication that there are no terrorist cells is that not a single neocon has been assassinated.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do not approve of assassinations, and am ashamed of my countrys government for engaging in political assassination. The US and Israel have set a very bad example for al Qaeda to follow.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The US deals with al Qaeda and Taliban by assassinating their leaders, and Israel deals with Hamas by assassinating its leaders. It is reasonable to assume that al Qaeda would deal with the instigators and leaders of Americas wars in the Middle East in the same way.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Today every al Qaeda member is aware of the complicity of neoconservatives in the death and devastation inflicted on Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Gaza. Moreover, neocons are highly visible and are soft targets compared to Hamas and Hezbollah leaders. Neocons have been identified in the media for years,
&lt;br&gt;and as everyone knows, multiple listings of their names are available online.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Neocons do not have Secret Service protection. Dreadful to contemplate, but it would be childs play for al Qaeda to assassinate any and every neocon. Yet, neocons move around freely, a good indication that the US does not have a terrorist problem.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If, as neocons constantly allege, terrorists can smuggle nuclear weapons or dirty bombs into the US with which to wreak havoc upon our cities, terrorists can acquire weapons with which to assassinate any neocon or former government official.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yet, the neocons, who are the Americans most hated by Muslims, remain unscathed.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The &amp;quot;war on terror&amp;quot; is a hoax that fronts for American control of oil pipelines, the profits of the military-security complex, the assault on civil liberty by fomenters of a police state, and Israels territorial expansion.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There were no al Qaeda in Iraq until the Americans brought them there by invading and overthrowing Saddam Hussein, who kept al Qaeda out of Iraq. The Taliban is not a terrorist organization, but a movement attempting to unify Afghanistan under Muslim law. The only Americans threatened by the Taliban are the Americans
&lt;br&gt;Bush sent to Afghanistan to kill Taliban and to impose a puppet state on the Afghan people.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hamas is the democratically elected government of Palestine, or what little remains of Palestine after Israels illegal annexations. Hamas is a terrorist organization in the same sense that the Israeli government and the US government are terrorist organizations. In an effort to bring Hamas under Israeli hegemony, Israel employs
&lt;br&gt;terror bombing and assassinations against Palestinians. Hamas replies to the Israeli terror with homemade and ineffectual rockets.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hezbollah represents the Shiites of southern Lebanon, another area in the Middle East that Israel seeks for its territorial expansion.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The US brands Hamas and Hezbollah &amp;quot;terrorist organizations&amp;quot; for no other reason than the US is on Israels side of the conflict. There is no objective basis for the US Department of States &amp;quot;finding&amp;quot; that Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations. It is merely a propagandistic declaration.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Americans and Israelis do not call their bombings of civilians terror. What Americans and Israelis call terror is the response of oppressed people who are stateless because their countries are ruled by puppets loyal to the oppressors. These people, dispossessed of their own countries, have no State Departments, Defense
&lt;br&gt;Departments, seats in the United Nations, or voices in the mainstream media. They can submit to foreign hegemony or resist by the limited means available to them.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The fact that Israel and the United States carry on endless propaganda to prevent this fundamental truth from being realized indicates that it is Israel and the US that are in the wrong and the Palestinians, Lebanese, Iraqis, and Afghans who are being wronged.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The retired American generals who serve as war propagandists for Fox &amp;quot;News&amp;quot; are forever claiming that Iran arms the Iraqi and Afghan insurgents and Hamas. But where are the arms? To deal with American tanks, insurgents have to construct homemade explosive devices out of artillery shells. After six years of conflict the
&lt;br&gt;insurgents still have no weapon against the American helicopter gunships. Contrast this &amp;quot;arming&amp;quot; with the weaponry the US supplied to the Afghans three decades ago when they were fighting to drive out the Soviets.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The films of Israels murderous assault on Gaza show large numbers of Gazans fleeing from Israeli bombs or digging out the dead and maimed, and none of these people are armed. A person would think that by now every Palestinian would be armed, every man, woman, and child. Yet, all the films of the Israeli attack show an
&lt;br&gt;unarmed population. Hamas has to construct homemade rockets that are little more than a sign of defiance. If Hamas were armed by Iran, Israels assault on Gaza would have cost Israel its helicopter gunships, its tanks, and hundreds of lives of its soldiers.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hamas is a small organization armed with small caliber rifles incapable of penetrating body armor. Hamas is unable to stop small bands of Israeli settlers from descending on West Bank Palestinian villages, driving out the Palestinians, and appropriating their land.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The great mystery is: why after 60 years of oppression are the Palestinians still an unarmed people? Clearly, the Muslim countries are complicit with Israel and the US in keeping the Palestinians unarmed.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The unsupported assertion that Iran supplies sophisticated arms to the Palestinians is like the unsupported assertion that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. These assertions are propagandistic justifications for killing Arab civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure in order to secure US and Israeli hegemony
&lt;br&gt;in the Middle East.
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	<title>For Whom the Gaza Bell Tolls -- Part 1 and 2 -- Obamas Mideast Jewish Wet Dream Team</title>
	<published>2009-01-28T07:10:23Z</published>
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	<content type="html">For Whom the Gaza Bell Tolls -- Part 1
&lt;br&gt;By Edmund Connelly for The Occidental Observer
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;January 16, 2008
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Israelis can kill whomever they want whenever they want.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--Paul Craig Roberts
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I sometimes think that its pointless for Americans to talk much about recent events in Gaza because we know how it will play out 
&lt;br&gt;America will do absolutely nothing to interfere with the
&lt;br&gt;ongoing massacre.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;British journalist Robert Fisk reminds us of the drill:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So once again, Israel has opened the gates of hell to the Palestinians. Forty civilian refugees dead in a United Nations school, three
&lt;br&gt;more in another. Not bad for a night's work in Gaza
&lt;br&gt;by the army that believes in &amp;quot;purity of arms.&amp;quot; But why should we be surprised?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Have we forgotten the 17,500 dead  almost all civilians, most of them children and women  in Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon; the
&lt;br&gt;1,700 Palestinian civilian dead in the Sabra-Chatila
&lt;br&gt;massacre; the 1996 Qana massacre of 106 Lebanese civilian refugees, more than half of them children, at a UN base; the massacre
&lt;br&gt;of the Marwahin refugees who were ordered from
&lt;br&gt;their homes by the Israelis in 2006 then slaughtered by an Israeli helicopter crew; the 1,000 dead of that same 2006 bombardment and
&lt;br&gt;Lebanese invasion, almost all of them civilians?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This time around, Israel shows not the slightest compunction about brazenly massacring an imprisoned population in front of the world.
&lt;br&gt;But why should they? They know no real
&lt;br&gt;opposition will arise from power centers anywhere on earth. And they continue to have America  Republicans, Democrats, Christian
&lt;br&gt;Zionists and almost everybody else  in their thrall. In
&lt;br&gt;large part, this is due to what Israel Shamir wrote with respect to Jewish financial mischief: The rich Jews buy media so it will cover up
&lt;br&gt;their (and their brethren's) misdeeds.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;James Petras also weighed in on Israels ongoing war against the Palestinians, writing, Israels sustained and comprehensive bombing
&lt;br&gt;campaign of every aspect of governance, civic
&lt;br&gt;institutions and society is directed toward destroying civilized life in Gaza. Echoing Shamir, Petras noted that Israels attempt to purge
&lt;br&gt;Palestine of its Arab population continues without
&lt;br&gt;apology because The Israeli totalitarian leaders knew with confidence that they could act and they could kill with impunity, locally and
&lt;br&gt;before the entire world, because of the influence
&lt;br&gt;of the US Zionist Power Configuration in and over the US White House and Congress.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another voice that showed exasperation with Israels actions was that of Taki Theodoracopulos, who wrote, Israel can now safely be
&lt;br&gt;called the Bernie Madoff of countries, as it has
&lt;br&gt;lied to the world about its intentions, stolen Palestinian lands continuously since 1948, and managed to do all this with American tax
&lt;br&gt;payers money.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps no one, however, is more morally outraged than former Reagan administration official Paul Craig Roberts, who wrote on
&lt;br&gt;VDARE:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Caterpillar Tractor makes a special bulldozer for Israel that is designed to knock down Palestinian homes and to uproot their orchards.
&lt;br&gt;In 2003 an American protester, Rachel Corrie,
&lt;br&gt;stood in front of one of these Caterpillars and was run over and crushed.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nothing happened. The Israelis can kill whomever they want whenever they want.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They have been doing so for 60 years, and they show no sign of stopping.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Roberts continued, While the rest of the world condemns Israels inhumanity, the US Congress  I should say the US Knesset  rushed
&lt;br&gt;to endorse the Israeli slaughter of the Palestinians
&lt;br&gt;in Gaza. How pervasive was this endorsement? The US Senate endorsed Israels massacre of Palestinians with a vote of 100-0.
&lt;br&gt;The US House of Representatives voted 430-5 to
&lt;br&gt;endorse Israels massacre of Palestinians. . . . (See here for further details.)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Readers who have followed Roberts in the post-9-11 period know that he has been a persistent critic of Israels influence over
&lt;br&gt;President Bush and the Congress. He has not changed
&lt;br&gt;his position with respect to Gaza either: The US Congress was proud to show that it is Israels puppet even when it comes to
&lt;br&gt;murdering women and children. The President of the
&lt;br&gt;United States was proud to block effective action by the UN Security Council by ordering the Secretary of State to abstain.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Two days later, Roberts added to his critique, displaying how fully Bush is a puppet to an Israeli master:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;Early Friday morning the secretary of state was considering bringing the cease-fire resolution to a UN [Security Council] vote and we
&lt;br&gt;didnt want her to vote for it,&amp;quot; Olmert said. &amp;nbsp;&amp;quot;I said
&lt;br&gt;get President Bush on the phone. They tried and told me he was in the middle of a lecture in Philadelphia. I said Im not interested, I
&lt;br&gt;need to speak to him now. He got down from the
&lt;br&gt;podium, went out and took the phone call.&amp;quot; [PM: Rice left embarrassed in UN vote, By Yaakov Lappin , Jerusalem Post, January 12,
&lt;br&gt;2009].
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Roberts then turned to a friends comments to summarize this exchange:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;Let me see if I understand this,&amp;quot; wrote a friend in response to news reports that Israeli Prime Minister Olmert ordered President Bush
&lt;br&gt;from the podium where he was giving a speech to
&lt;br&gt;receive Israels instructions about how the United States had to vote on the UN resolution. &amp;quot;On September 11th, President Bush is
&lt;br&gt;interrupted while reading a story to school children
&lt;br&gt;and told the World Trade Center had been hit  and he went on reading. Now, Olmert calls about a UN resolution when Bush is giving
&lt;br&gt;a speech and Bush leaves the stage to take the
&lt;br&gt;call. There exists no greater example of a master-servant relationship.&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Aptly, Roberts concluded, In his final press conference, President Bush, deluded to the very end, said that the whole world respects
&lt;br&gt;America. In fact, when the world looks at America,
&lt;br&gt;what it sees is an Israeli colony.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And the behavior of Americas master is none too pleasant, as retired U.S. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski recently
&lt;br&gt;made clear:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One needs only to look at the death toll (one-sided), the difference in military capacities between Israel and Gaza (shocking) and the
&lt;br&gt;kind of arsenals employed by both sides to
&lt;br&gt;determine what is happening. Weve seen it on the elementary school playground, but this version is played out with incredible
&lt;br&gt;destructive force, no supervision, no brave friends, and
&lt;br&gt;no justice.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not only is incredible destructive force in view for the whole world, a bizarre Israeli response to the slaughter has surfaced: It is the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;ultimate spectator sport,&amp;quot; in the words of a London
&lt;br&gt;Times reporter.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As a front-page article in the Wall Street Journal also described, from hilltops overlooking Gaza, Israelis would come with lawn chairs
&lt;br&gt;and picnics lunches to watch the one-sided death
&lt;br&gt;circus that is Gaza. Israelis have made the trek, they say, to witness firsthand a military operationso far, widely popular inside Israel
&lt;br&gt;against Hamas, the militant group that controls the
&lt;br&gt;Gaza Strip. Over the weekend, four teenagers sat on a hill near Mr. Danino's, oohing and aahing at the airstrikes. Nadav Zebari, who
&lt;br&gt;studies Torah in Jerusalem, was eating a cheese
&lt;br&gt;sandwich and sipping a Diet Coke.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Levinson took quotes from observers: &amp;quot;I've never watched a war before,&amp;quot; one said. Meanwhile, a group of Israeli police officers took
&lt;br&gt;turns snapping pictures of one another with
&lt;br&gt;smoking Gaza as a backdrop. &amp;quot;I want to feel a part of the war,&amp;quot; was one comment.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On another hilltop overlooking Gaza, Levinson continued, Sandra Koubi, a 43-year-old philosophy student, says seeing the violence
&lt;br&gt;up close is a kind of catharsis for me, to get rid of
&lt;br&gt;all the anxiety we have inside us after years of rocket fire from Hamas.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps most pointedly comes the testimony of one Jocelyn Znaty, a stout 60-year-old nurse for Magen David Adom, the Israeli
&lt;br&gt;counterpart of the Red Cross, who could hardly
&lt;br&gt;contain her glee at the site of exploding mortars below in Gaza. &amp;quot;Look at that,&amp;quot; she shouts, clapping her hands as four artillery rounds
&lt;br&gt;pound the territory in quick succession. &amp;quot;Bravo!
&lt;br&gt;Bravo!&amp;quot; . . . &amp;nbsp;I am sorry, but I am happy.&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pavel Wolberg/European Pressphoto Agency
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Orthodox Jews watched smoke rise over the northern Gaza Strip Tuesday.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Roberts, like Taki and others, put much of the blame for such a spectacle clearly on the shoulders of the American public. What is
&lt;br&gt;happening to the Palestinians herded into the Gaza
&lt;br&gt;Ghetto is happening because of American money and weapons. It is just as much an attack by the United States as an attack by
&lt;br&gt;Israel. The US government is complicit in the war
&lt;br&gt;crimes.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Repeating charges he has made consistently for years, Roberts laments the fact that &amp;quot;Our president was a puppet for a cabal led by
&lt;br&gt;Dick Cheney and a handful of Jewish
&lt;br&gt;neoconservatives, who took control of the Pentagon, the State Department, the National Security Council, the CIA, and Homeland
&lt;br&gt;Security. From these power positions, the neocon
&lt;br&gt;cabal used lies and deception to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, pointless wars that have cost Americans $3 trillion, while millions of
&lt;br&gt;Americans lose their jobs, their pensions, and their
&lt;br&gt;access to health care.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While Roberts et al. may be right that each and every American taxpayer bears some responsibility for the carnage in Gaza, the fact is
&lt;br&gt;that most Americans are tired of violence in the
&lt;br&gt;far-away Middle East. Besides, the economy is in the tank, the NFL playoffs are in progress, and the kids have to go back to school.
&lt;br&gt;Everyday life takes priority for most Americans.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unfortunately, such short-sightedness will not do, for the pitiful denizens of Gaza are not the last targets of the Israeli army or the
&lt;br&gt;worldwide network of Diaspora Jews. The dispossession
&lt;br&gt;of the Palestinians since 1948 is but a dress rehearsal for more ambitious dispossessions of non-Jews throughout the world.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do I exaggerate? I believe that we have to take Israel Shamir seriously when he writes in Cabbala of Power. Palestine is not the
&lt;br&gt;ultimate goal of the Jews; the world is. Palestine is just
&lt;br&gt;the place for the world state headquarters.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Shamir has made a fascinating study of the two thousand-year struggle between Jews and non-Jews, particularly Christians. &amp;nbsp;His
&lt;br&gt;arguments are far too subtle to summarize here, so
&lt;br&gt;interested parties should consult the above-mentioned book as well as his more recent work, Masters of Discourse. I will simply cherry
&lt;br&gt;pick some of his more striking ideas.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Shamir  an immigrant from Russia to Israel  holds a low opinion of his fellow Jews in the Holy Land. &amp;nbsp;Israelis are the riffraff of World
&lt;br&gt;Jewry, sent to conquer the land for the NWO HQ.
&lt;br&gt;This process is revealed in a parable of the &amp;quot;Messiah's Donkey&amp;quot; often used by religious Jews. This is a story in which disposable
&lt;br&gt;secular Jews (the donkey) are used by religious Jews to
&lt;br&gt;attain religious, messianic goals. In plain words, spirit always wins over matter; the way of the Messiah of Spirit is to use the Donkey of
&lt;br&gt;Matter.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Jews  Shamir makes a distinction between organized Jewry and individual Jews  intend to turn Jerusalem into the supreme
&lt;br&gt;capital of the world, and its rebuilt temple into the
&lt;br&gt;focal point of the Spirit on Earth. Should they succeed, unspeakable despair will follow. Christianity will die, the spirit will depart from
&lt;br&gt;the nations in our part of the world, and our present
&lt;br&gt;dubious democracy will be supplanted by a vast theocratic state. . . . De-spiritualized and uprooted, homeless and lonely, yesterdays
&lt;br&gt;Masters of the World [non-Jews] will become
&lt;br&gt;slaves in all but name.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Shamir sees a two-pronged approach to this quest for world domination, Zionism and Mammonite Liberalism. While Zionism
&lt;br&gt;establishes the basis for the NWO HQ, the Mammonite
&lt;br&gt;Liberalism establishes the world-wide slavery. Jabotinsky and Soros are doing different tasks for one system; the Iron Wall and the
&lt;br&gt;Open Society are just different names for the same
&lt;br&gt;thing.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Shamirs analysis is eerily close to the Dispossessed Majority thesis of Wilmot Robertson, albeit cloaked in theological garb. Robertson
&lt;br&gt;described how in the 1960s and 70s white
&lt;br&gt;American Christians had become a people of little or no account in their own country. This was not an accident.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Source with hyperlinks: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Connelly-Gaza.html&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Connelly-Gaza.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For Whom the Gaza Bell Tolls -- Part 2
&lt;br&gt;By Edmund Connelly
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;January 23, 2008
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Palestine is not the ultimate goal of the Jews; the world is. Palestine is just the place for the world state headquarters. &amp;nbsp;Israel Shamir in
&lt;br&gt;Cabbala of Power
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;The United States is well on the road to being dominated by an Asian technocratic elite and a Jewish business, professional, and
&lt;br&gt;media elite.&amp;quot; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; Kevin MacDonald
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We had no idea that we were about to trade places with the Black man. Edgar Steele
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In Part One of this essay, I argued that it was nearsighted to view the Israeli slaughter of Palestinians in Gaza as an isolated event.
&lt;br&gt;Rather, I suggested, the Jews were intent on
&lt;br&gt;eventual world domination. Most certainly this is true with respect to Jewish power over white Christians.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To bolster that claim, I pointed to Wilmot Robertsons observation in his book The Dispossessed Majority that in the 1960s and 70s
&lt;br&gt;white American Christians had become a people of
&lt;br&gt;little or no account in their own country. I then pointed to a theological explanation for this dispossession, turning to the views of Israel
&lt;br&gt;Shamir, who wrote, Christianity will die, the spirit
&lt;br&gt;will depart from the nations in our part of the world, and our present dubious democracy will be supplanted by a vast theocratic state. .
&lt;br&gt;. . De-spiritualized and uprooted, homeless and
&lt;br&gt;lonely, yesterdays Masters of the World [non-Jews] will become slaves in all but name.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For those not disposed to a divine view of this kulturkampf between Jews and whites, Shamirs theological views can be piggy-
&lt;br&gt;backed onto secular arguments such as Robertsons.
&lt;br&gt;Rather than using Robertsons arguments, however, I prefer to turn to an intriguing essay that appeared in a book edited by the late
&lt;br&gt;Sam Francis. Titled Race and Religion: A Catholic
&lt;br&gt;View, the essay was written by New Yorker Richard Faussette. Though Faussette situates his arguments in the Old Testament, his
&lt;br&gt;analysis is a sociological one in the mold of
&lt;br&gt;evolutionary psychologist Kevin MacDonalds theory on group evolutionary strategies.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Faussettes analysis goes back to biblical times when Jews of that era implemented a system of niche recovery to compensate for their
&lt;br&gt;partial displacement by the Assyrians. Faussette
&lt;br&gt;sees this system as being anachronistically employed to this day:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Our enemies are not Assyrians. They are the agents of the global economy; ethnic elites (their borders are where their people are)
&lt;br&gt;colluding with our own managerial elites. Mesmerized
&lt;br&gt;by the prospect of fantastic incomes, they are centralizing the worlds economy and abandoning local loyalties for a citizenship of the
&lt;br&gt;world. Unable to conquer us militarily, they have
&lt;br&gt;succeeded in engaging our armed forces around the world as they repopulate our urban centers and our law enforcement agencies
&lt;br&gt;with an alien elite and an alien underclass rigorously
&lt;br&gt;conditioned by the media.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you conceived of this as todays multiculturalism, which Faussette portrays as a new Babel and a recipe for disaster, you would not
&lt;br&gt;be wrong. But, should we surrender to this program,
&lt;br&gt;we will suffer what Moses prophesized: You will become a horror, a byword, an object lesson to all the peoples amongst whom the
&lt;br&gt;Lord disperses you.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Though some see the system of importing foreign populations as a lapse in judgment, Faussette claims that the system is not broken.
&lt;br&gt;It has been re-engineered by private interests and
&lt;br&gt;liberal ideologues, lobbying our elected representatives to increase the flow of cheap labor and anything else they can profitably get
&lt;br&gt;over the border.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If this system is not broken, who built it and for what purposes? In essence, the goal is to displace white Americans with non-whites,
&lt;br&gt;and in particular white elites with Jews. Shamir also
&lt;br&gt;observed this: The Jews compete with the native elites of the Gentile society for the right to exploit the Gentile worker and peasant.
&lt;br&gt;Outcompete is the more appropriate word, for
&lt;br&gt;Shamir found that in 17th-century Ukraine Jewish masters were far more efficient, extracting from the natives SIX times more taxes
&lt;br&gt;and dues per person than a gentile landlord did.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In this struggle with non-Jewish leaders, Jews can either massacre or expel their rivals, as they did in Russia during the Revolution.
&lt;br&gt;Shamir quotes Solzhenitsyn as follows:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[During the Bolshevik Revolution] executed army officers were Russians, the noblemen, priests, monks, deputies were &amp;nbsp;Russians. . . .
&lt;br&gt;In 1920s, the pre-revolutionary engineers and
&lt;br&gt;scientists were exiled or killed. They were Russians, while their place was taken by Jews. The best Russian Psychiatric institute in
&lt;br&gt;Moscow, its Russian members were arrested or exiled,
&lt;br&gt;while their place was taken by the Jews. Important Jewish doctors blocked the advancement of Russian medical scientists. The best
&lt;br&gt;intellectual and artistic elites of Russian people
&lt;br&gt;were killed, while the Jews grew and flourished in these (deadly for Russians) years.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While much of this has gone down the memory hole, an excellent confirmation of the above can be found in Yuri Slezkines exposé,
&lt;br&gt;The Jewish Century. Kevin MacDonald later
&lt;br&gt;isolated the anti-Christian eliminationist focus of the Bolshevik attack, which can be found in his review of Slezkine called Stalins
&lt;br&gt;Willing Executioners? (See here and here.) Chillingly,
&lt;br&gt;Slezkine quotes Leonard Schapiros comment that &amp;nbsp;anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka stood a very
&lt;br&gt;good chance of finding himself confronted with and
&lt;br&gt;possibly shot by a Jewish investigator. The Black Book of Communism estimates that up to twenty million Soviet citizens were
&lt;br&gt;murdered during the period of Jewish dominance in the
&lt;br&gt;early decades of the USSR. This is why Slezkine originally coined the phrase Stalins willing executioners.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So what does this have to do with America today? A lot, as both Faussette and MacDonald note. For the Jews ancient displacement
&lt;br&gt;strategy is as effective as ever, as Jewish ethnic
&lt;br&gt;activist Earl Raab made clear:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Census bureau has just reported that about half of the American population will soon be non-white or non-European. And they will
&lt;br&gt;all be American citizens. We have tipped beyond
&lt;br&gt;the point where a Nazi-Aryan party will be able to prevail in this country. We [Jews] have been nourishing the American climate of
&lt;br&gt;opposition to bigotry for about half a century. That
&lt;br&gt;climate has not yet been perfected, but the heterogeneous nature of our population tends to make it irreversible  and makes our
&lt;br&gt;constitutional constraints against bigotry more practical
&lt;br&gt;than ever.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Because the West could not yet be conquered militarily, the Assyrian strategy of capturing and removing the native population, which
&lt;br&gt;demoralized the people and prevented organized
&lt;br&gt;resistance, was untenable. The tactic then became the importation of foreign elements to devalue our niches, fragment our
&lt;br&gt;communities and place us under foreign administration. The
&lt;br&gt;result is the same. In other words, as Faussette writes, the Jews will recover their niches in the lost nation of Israel which will be a
&lt;br&gt;Jewish land under Jewish rule (homogeneous and
&lt;br&gt;religiously unified), but the host nations where Jews settle in Diaspora are condemned to a fractious and imposed proto-Assyrian
&lt;br&gt;cultural pluralism (heterogeneous with no dominant
&lt;br&gt;religious influence) that ensures Jewish hegemony in Diaspora.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Often cloaked as anti-racism, this program of dispossession applies equally to America and Palestine. Anti-racism, Shamir writes, is
&lt;br&gt;a denial of the autochthon's [natives] right to
&lt;br&gt;decide his fate; a tool to separate Man from his native landscape. This concept de-legitimizes objections to swamping a land with a
&lt;br&gt;flood of immigrants and ruining the society's fabric.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Again, because Jews in America are incapable of defeating or removing us militarily  unlike their ability in the Middle East  they resort
&lt;br&gt;to ideological attacks, an important one being the
&lt;br&gt;imposition of their new religion, the Holocaust Narrative. Whoever accepts the Holocaust as the most important historical event,
&lt;br&gt;Shamir quotes one thinker as saying, is able to carry
&lt;br&gt;out the civil war against the traditionalist majority and becomes a member of the in-group for the globalists.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Shamir adds how the Holocaust also has a theological value as this event is offered to supplant the Crucifixion for believers. Certainly
&lt;br&gt;any Christian even half aware of culture and law
&lt;br&gt;in the last half century must admit a growing emphasis on Jewish suffering and the guilt of the Christian West. There is a reason for
&lt;br&gt;this, as Shamir explains:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Slave cults are growing now among the Europeans, and the cult of the Holocaust is one of them. Theologically, this cult is an
&lt;br&gt;adaptation of the Jewish spiritual rule for Christian minds,
&lt;br&gt;as it replaces Christ with Israel, Golgotha [Calvary] with Auschwitz, and the Resurrection with the creation of the Jewish state. People
&lt;br&gt;who argue with the dogma of Holocaust are met
&lt;br&gt;with treatment the heretics were given in the days of yore. They are excommunicated and excluded from society.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Given the vast power of modern media, Jews have naturally turned to it as a means of control. The fracturing of native populations
&lt;br&gt;through use of the media is central to this. Faussette
&lt;br&gt;makes this point with respect to the indigenous white populations loss of the media:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the majority of European American Christians held the most lucrative niches in American society, the media would be unable to
&lt;br&gt;depict us as a cruel and intolerant majority whose
&lt;br&gt;niches rightfully belong to the victims of white hatred and oppression. The very fact that the media vilification of the European
&lt;br&gt;American Christian majority goes on apace is proof
&lt;br&gt;positive that people who identify with us and have a concern for our welfare are no longer in the ascendancy. There may be many
&lt;br&gt;more of us, it is true, but we no longer occupy the
&lt;br&gt;elite niches in which power is centralized. Even our ability to depict a positive image of ourselves to our own populations and to the
&lt;br&gt;peoples of the world has been wrested from us by
&lt;br&gt;the hands of powerful and persistent detractors.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Examples of vilification of white men and elevation of Jews and other minorities are far too numerous to mention. The list of Holocaust
&lt;br&gt;and anti-Nazi films alone is massive. Add to that
&lt;br&gt;the rise of African American movie stars such as Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, and Will Smith, most of whose movies fit the
&lt;br&gt;numinous Negro narrative, and you will have some
&lt;br&gt;idea of the visual power arrayed against whites.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Faussette makes this clear:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is not enough to say that the broadcast media are powerful. They create a separate and caustic virtual reality, then broadcast that
&lt;br&gt;ideologically driven reality into the homes of millions
&lt;br&gt;of people and dare to suggest that their horrific depiction of us is an accurate reflection of who we really are, what we really do and
&lt;br&gt;what our history has really been. We are so saturated
&lt;br&gt;with the propaganda many of us can no longer tell the difference between ideology and reality, nor are we the only ones upon whom
&lt;br&gt;this burden of a separate reality has been
&lt;br&gt;imposed. By the time an alien crosses our porous borders he has been conditioned by the international media to believe that the
&lt;br&gt;indigenous white people are recent interlopers on their
&lt;br&gt;own land; noxious bigots who stole the land from the noble people who were here before them. Millions of people are fed these overt
&lt;br&gt;and subliminal messages every day via continuous
&lt;br&gt;media broadcasts.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The parallels with the propaganda techniques of the Communist Soviet Union, particularly in the early days, are manifest, as Faussette
&lt;br&gt;explains: Demonizing an indigenous majority
&lt;br&gt;population to turn competing minority populations against them is a genocidal tactic with recent historical precedent. Like the former
&lt;br&gt;classes slated for elimination in Russia, the
&lt;br&gt;American majority is now the targeted class.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The use of terror was prescribed then and is again being used, though many of us seem oblivious to what is going on here and now.
&lt;br&gt;The terror comes through the educational and
&lt;br&gt;media propagation of the notion that indigenous white Christians are the villain class. Or, if one prefers Jewish intellectual Susan
&lt;br&gt;Sontags version, The white race is the cancer of
&lt;br&gt;human history. &amp;nbsp;Operating under the pretext that they are fighting for universal civil rights, Jewish activists, in a sense become the
&lt;br&gt;current equivalent of the Jews in Russia who were
&lt;br&gt;Stalins willing executioners.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;An integral part of this terror involves ritual public humiliation, another key aspect of the medias strategy to demoralize the American
&lt;br&gt;majority. First and foremost is the public
&lt;br&gt;dissemination of the message that whites are powerless to deflect the media barrage of humiliation and vilification of our race, our
&lt;br&gt;various ethnicities, our Christian religion and the
&lt;br&gt;nations history. Whites must now live quietly with the knowledge that infamies committed against them warrant no notice in the public
&lt;br&gt;eye, while any assault by an individual white on a
&lt;br&gt;designated minority group will result in ritual condemnation of not only the assailant but the broader majority culture as well.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thus, it was never just in the air that the media, schools and legal system would take the turn they did in the 1960s against the
&lt;br&gt;American majority. &amp;nbsp;Rather, it is another Jewish
&lt;br&gt;movement, as Kevin MacDonald made clear recently in a column on this site:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For nearly 100 years whites have been subjected to a culture of critique emanating from the most prestigious academic and media
&lt;br&gt;institutions. . . . But that implies that the submerged
&lt;br&gt;white identity of the white working class and the lack of cultural confidence exhibited by the rest of white America are imposed from
&lt;br&gt;outside. Although there may well be characteristics
&lt;br&gt;of whites that facilitate this process, this suppression of white identity and interests is certainly not the natural outcome of
&lt;br&gt;modernization or any other force internal to whites as a people.
&lt;br&gt;In my opinion, they are the result of the successful erection of a culture of critique in the West dominated by Jewish intellectual and
&lt;br&gt;political movements. . . .
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The difference from the Soviet Union may well be that in white-minority America it will not be workers and Israelites who are favored,
&lt;br&gt;but non-whites and Israelites. Whites may dream
&lt;br&gt;that they are entering the post-racial utopia imagined by their erstwhile intellectual superiors. But it is quite possible that they are
&lt;br&gt;entering into a racial dystopia of unimaginable cruelty in
&lt;br&gt;which whites will be systematically excluded in favor of the new elites recruited from the soon-to-be majority. It's happened before.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Faussette draws the same dark conclusion:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Consider for a moment the campaign of demonization of the European American Christian majority and its culture that we see in the
&lt;br&gt;media, academia and legislated from the bench.
&lt;br&gt;What if this campaign mirroring the public vilification employed by ardent and merciless communist regimes is completely successful
&lt;br&gt;here in North America, not now perhaps, but in a
&lt;br&gt;generation or two, something for our grandchildren to inherit?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Imagine an economic downturn of blackouts, food shortages and riots in which all law enforcement niches are filled by media-molded
&lt;br&gt;unassimilated immigrants and indigenous
&lt;br&gt;psychologically prepared minorities; law enforcement personnel conditioned to believe that the people theyre sworn to protect are
&lt;br&gt;noxious bigots who deserve the violence they suffer.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Make no mistake, we white Christians in America are being as effectively removed from our lands as are the Palestinians from theirs
&lt;br&gt;now. While our disappearance is far less immediate
&lt;br&gt;and painful, the end result is the same. Indeed, if we white Americans were thinking correctly, we would be in the streets chanting We
&lt;br&gt;are all Palestinians now!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Instead we are treated to nonsense in the opposite direction, as goyim show fealty to the Jews by proclaiming solidarity. One need only
&lt;br&gt;skim news channels to find this. For instance, our
&lt;br&gt;media masters are again trying to divert our attention from Gaza by screaming over the appearance of mere graffiti on a few
&lt;br&gt;synagogue walls. (Never mind that in many of these cases 
&lt;br&gt;in which, by the way, no harm comes to any Jew  a Jew is found to have perpetrated the act.) Yet with respect to the burning bodies
&lt;br&gt;of Palestinian women and children, our media is
&lt;br&gt;subdued.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Shamir correctly interprets this posture: The quietude of the West should frighten us well beyond the Middle Eastern context, as it
&lt;br&gt;possibly means our civilization is dead. . . . It implies
&lt;br&gt;that the Europeans and Americans have lost the sacral core, and our profaned civilization is doomed to extinction, unless well turn
&lt;br&gt;away from the edge of the abyss.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is there a solution? James Petras suggests that Until we neutralize the pervasive power of the Zionist Power Configuration in all of its
&lt;br&gt;manifestations  in American public and civic life 
&lt;br&gt;and its deep penetration of American legislative and executive offices, we will fall short of preventing Israel from receiving the arms,
&lt;br&gt;funding and political backing to sustain its wars of
&lt;br&gt;ethnic extermination.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Agreed. But effecting this change will be a monumental task.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One of the first steps is to recognize that your fate as a white American may quickly become as perilous as that of the Palestinians
&lt;br&gt;caged into Gaza. Next, follow the advice of Kevin
&lt;br&gt;MacDonald from the column just noted:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whites need to tell their family and their friends that they have an identity as a white person and believe that whites have legitimate
&lt;br&gt;interests as white people. They must accept the
&lt;br&gt;consequences when they are harassed, fired from their jobs, or put in prison for such beliefs. They must run for political office as
&lt;br&gt;openly pro-white. . . . No revolution was ever
&lt;br&gt;accomplished without some martyrs. The revolution that restores the legitimacy of white identity and the legitimacy of white interests
&lt;br&gt;will be no exception.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now replay in your own mind the recent scenes of unopposed slaughter and destruction in Gaza. Then imagine that it is you and your
&lt;br&gt;family caged and massacred like that. Will this
&lt;br&gt;thought experiment prompt you to at least acknowledge your identity and interests as a white American? &amp;nbsp;It should.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, follow the word of intrepid Internet warrior Justin Raimondo, who just wrote in his column Gaza Is the Future: Look at Gaza
&lt;br&gt;and see the future. Then go out and do something
&lt;br&gt;about it. &amp;nbsp;Well said.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Source with hyperlinks: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Connelly-Gaza2.html&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Connelly-Gaza2.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;---
&lt;br&gt;Obama  The Judas Goat
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Judas Goat\ A goat that leads other goats or sheep to slaughter. Also, one who entices into danger and betrays others. The name is
&lt;br&gt;an allusion to Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Jesus
&lt;br&gt;for 30 pieces of silver. (From Merriam Websters Dictionary)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Barack Hussein Obama is a Judas Goat.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Extremist Jews guided Barack Hussein Obamas career from day one, even all the way back to Harvard Law School. &amp;nbsp;Radical Zionist
&lt;br&gt;hitman, David Axelrod previously orchestrated the
&lt;br&gt;Jewish-financed and organized defeat of perceived anti-Zionist Sen. Charles Percy. He is the man who ran Obamas campaign for
&lt;br&gt;President and who is his chief handler. Obamas
&lt;br&gt;campaign was overwhelmingly financed by the most powerful Zionist bankers in the world. His campaigns largest contribution source
&lt;br&gt;was the Zionist international banking firm of
&lt;br&gt;Goldman Sachs. (FEC campaign records). In both Obamas Senate and Presidential campaign he prostrated himself before AIPAC
&lt;br&gt;(American Israel Public Affairs Committee) promising
&lt;br&gt;even more money and blood for Israels terrorism than even the supine John McCain, and even more money and blood than the
&lt;br&gt;previous Shabbez Goy in the White House, George
&lt;br&gt;Bush. Before the Israeli terrorism and mass murder in Gaza, he went to Israel and said that he supported Israels planned murderous
&lt;br&gt;terrorism against the men, women and children of
&lt;br&gt;Gaza.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;His first act as President-elect was to appoint a rabid Zionist, Israeli dual citizen who served in the Israeli Army as his Chief of Staff,
&lt;br&gt;Rahm Emmanuel. As thousands of women and
&lt;br&gt;children in Gaza were killed or maimed, Obama remained silent. Within a few days as President Obama supported indiscriminate
&lt;br&gt;American missile strikes in villages of our ally Pakistan, a
&lt;br&gt;clear continuation of Bushs policies. &amp;nbsp;He completely supports the theft of trillions of American taxpayer dollars to the Zionist
&lt;br&gt;international bankers. Eighty percent of American Jews voted
&lt;br&gt;for Obama, and all the main leaders of the Jewish Supremacist state of Israel have proclaimed Obama as the perfect man for U.S.
&lt;br&gt;President.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What better for the Zionists to have their own servant perceived as a clean break from the Jewish extremist-controlled Bush
&lt;br&gt;administration? What better than for the Zionists than to
&lt;br&gt;have their Shabbez Goy be treated by the worlds press and even by much of the anti-Zionist community as a man of real change?
&lt;br&gt;What better for the Zionists than for the world to
&lt;br&gt;think that Obama will be a change from the Zionist-controlled policies when he willing to do anything that Israel demands? What better
&lt;br&gt;for the Zionist murderers to have their craven
&lt;br&gt;puppet be looked at by the whole world as a man of honor and integrity and fairness.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the slaughterhouse, the Judas Goat is often painted with bright colors, adorned with strong, sweet scents to lure the sheep to their
&lt;br&gt;pens and to their death. Obama, the Judas Goat of
&lt;br&gt;our time, is looked upon by millions of Zionist-propagandized sheep as the man who will lead them to salvation.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Instead, he leads America, Palestine and the world to the bloody altar of Jewish Supremacism.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Any supposed anti-Zionist who praises Barack Obama is actually aiding this Judas Goat to lead us all to slaughter. Every person who
&lt;br&gt;truly opposes Jewish extremism must speak out and
&lt;br&gt;expose the Judas Goat named Barack Obama!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Dr. David Duke
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Former Member of the House of Representatives
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;State of Louisiana
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;United States of America
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is up to you, all the people, of the United States who can still think freely, &amp;nbsp;and up to all of the people of the world who are able to
&lt;br&gt;see through the deceptions of the Zionist-influenced
&lt;br&gt;Global media &amp;nbsp; to get this simple, powerful message to everyone on earth. Email this message to your friends, post it on forums and
&lt;br&gt;websites and put links to it on every website,
&lt;br&gt;facebook or other media in the world. Go and seek out media and Internet sites not controlled by Zionist power. Make youtube videos
&lt;br&gt;of this message, (use the short audio and find
&lt;br&gt;good illustrative pictures) and post it untill your fingers are worn and tired, print it and mail it to newspapers or any media outlet that has
&lt;br&gt;still not fallen under the propaganda of the
&lt;br&gt;Zionists. Let the world know the truth. Person by person, in the USA, Canada, UK, France, Germany, Italy, japan, Russia, China,
&lt;br&gt;Africa, Palestine, South America and across the whole
&lt;br&gt;world this Judas Goat must be exposed for what he is, so that when begins to do his evil for Israel, the whole world will know exactly
&lt;br&gt;what is going on and resist!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Source : &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.davidduke.com/general/obama-the-judas-goat_7317.html&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.davidduke.com/general/obama-the-judas-goat_7317.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;---
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obamas Mideast Jewish Wet Dream Team
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;George Mitchell is the new American envoy now in the Mideast. Who is Mitchell and who are the key players in Obamas Mideast
&lt;br&gt;policy team?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, lets examine the major players on the Obama foreign policy team. Roger Cohen writing in The New York Times on January 11,
&lt;br&gt;2009 wrote some things that if he were a Gentile would have earned him some attacks as an anti-Semite. He pointed out the
&lt;br&gt;incredible top-heavy pro-Zionist content of the team which is supposed to broker a fair and just peace in the Mideast. In discussing the
&lt;br&gt;team he identified them with these words:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They include Dennis Ross (the veteran Clinton administration Mideast peace envoy who may now extend his brief to Iran) &amp;nbsp;[a long-time
&lt;br&gt;Jewish Zionist]; James Steinberg [Jewish Zionist] (as deputy secretary of state) ; Dan Kurtzer [Jewish Zionist] (the former U.S.
&lt;br&gt;ambassador to Israel); Dan Shapiro [Jewish Zionist] (a longtime aide to Obama); and Martin Indyk [Jewish Zionist] another former
&lt;br&gt;ambassador to Israel who is close to the incoming secretary of state, Hillary Clinton.)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, I have nothing against smart, driven, liberal, Jewish (or half-Jewish) males; Ive looked in the mirror. I know or have talked to all
&lt;br&gt;these guys, except Shapiro. Theyre knowledgeable, broad-minded and determined. Still, on the diversity front they fall short. On the
&lt;br&gt;change-you-can-believe-in front, they also leave something to be desired.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cohen did not even mention that the two closest advisers to Obama, the guys that filter almost everything that Obama see and hears
&lt;br&gt;and makes the day to day decisions of running the oval office. They are David Axelrod and Rahm Emmanuel, two long time dedicated
&lt;br&gt;Jewish extremists. Emmanuel, son of an Irgun terrorist and named after another Irgun terrorist, even fought in the Israeli Army.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now we come to the new envoy to the Mideast, George Mitchell of Maine, the man who is supposed to be a broadminded and just
&lt;br&gt;arbitrator between Israel and the Palestinians. The Jewish-influenced has made a big point of Mitchells Lebanese ancestry. What the
&lt;br&gt;Zionist media doesnt tell you is that he has been completely under the control of AIPAC and radical Zionists for years.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As Senate Majority Leader he rammed through everything Israel wanted. He even supported the Senate resolution that gave Israel
&lt;br&gt;unconditional support during the Zionist massacre of thousands of Gaza civilians. In fact, originally an appointee to the Senate,
&lt;br&gt;Mitchell owes his entire Senate career on the massive support given him in 1982 and since by AIPAC and 27 other Jewish extremist
&lt;br&gt;controlled political action committees that AIPAC arranged. AIPACs Tom Dine summarized AIPACs success in Mitchells election by
&lt;br&gt;saying that American Jews are thus able to form our own foreign policy agenda.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, Dine spoke the complete and unvarnished truth. American and Israeli extremist Jews do indeed control the foreign policy of
&lt;br&gt;the United States. Such control has long gone on in concert with past U.S. Presidents and it goes on today with Obama. Only
&lt;br&gt;difference is that today there is a greater danger because many in America and around the world falsely believe that Obama
&lt;br&gt;represents change. With the incredible respect and adulation given to Obama, he is in a much better position to support the Zionist
&lt;br&gt;war agenda and ultimately do far more harm than a discredited George Bush.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hold on to your hats, America. I predict Obama will usher in war and conflagration that will make George Bushs presidency seem mild
&lt;br&gt;in comparison. He has already announced a doubling of American troops in Afghanistan. Can a catastrophic war with Iran be far
&lt;br&gt;behind? Jewish extremists want this war and Obama is completely under their control!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Dr. David Duke
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Source : &amp;nbsp;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.davidduke.com/general/who-is-on-obamas-dream-team-for-mideast-peace_7380.html&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.davidduke.com/general/who-is-on-obamas-dream-team-for-mideast-peace_7380.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;------------------------
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-21441684</id>
	<title>Re: Please stop that asshole Auster from spamming our group</title>
	<published>2009-01-13T10:32:31Z</published>
	<updated>2009-01-13T10:32:31Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Julian Stacey</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi MDean,
&lt;br&gt;cc &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=21441684&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ctm-users@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The header of the 2nd spam shows mx1.freebsd.org received spam Not
&lt;br&gt;from att.net but from que11.charter.net so &amp;quot;Lawrence Auster&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=21441684&amp;i=1&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lawrence.auster@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; is likely an innocent who had his address
&lt;br&gt;masqueraded by a spammer.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not much use writing to whole list anyway, we don't have power to
&lt;br&gt;block persistent spammers from freebsd.org lists, if some other
&lt;br&gt;time you have a similar request send it to &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=21441684&amp;i=2&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;postmaster@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; ( There's also another similar address goes to a team
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; @freebsd.org, I can't remember whatever@ off hand, you can
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; look on &lt;a href=&quot;http://freebsd.org&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://freebsd.org&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;but postmaster@ is an RFC
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; requirement, &amp; works )
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even better is to examine header, &amp; report spammer to the
&lt;br&gt;domain owner, if you think domain owner might not also be a spammer.
&lt;br&gt;(use a web browser on domains in header to decide that),
&lt;br&gt;and ensure you forward whole spam including whole header,
&lt;br&gt;in this case to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=21441684&amp;i=3&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;postmaster@...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers,
&lt;br&gt;Julian
&lt;br&gt;-- 
&lt;br&gt;Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; Mail plain ASCII text. &amp;nbsp;HTML &amp; Base64 text are spam. www.asciiribbon.org
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