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2009-11-30T03:06:53Z

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f conf/109367 i18n [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating ac
f conf/91106 i18n [locale] date definitions in pl_PL locale are wrong

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Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org

2009-11-23T03:06:54Z

Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org

2009-11-16T03:06:53Z

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2009-11-09T03:06:52Z

New method to handle locale database

2009-11-02T15:39:47Z

See http://wiki.freebsd.org/LocaleNewApproach.
I am planning of doing this at the end of November 2009.

If there is anybody any objections, questions or remarks, please
speak up now!

Edwin

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2009-11-02T03:06:55Z

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2009-10-26T04:06:59Z

Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed

2009-10-21T03:35:59Z

Synopsis: [locale] en_DK needed

State-Changed-From-To: open->closed
State-Changed-By: edwin
State-Changed-When: Wed Oct 21 10:35:28 UTC 2009
State-Changed-Why:
This would better fit as a port than in the base system.

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=137870
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Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org

2009-10-19T04:06:53Z

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o conf/137870 i18n [locale] en_DK needed
f conf/109367 i18n [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating ac
f conf/91106 i18n [locale] date definitions in pl_PL locale are wrong

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Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org

2009-10-12T04:06:53Z

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o conf/137870 i18n [locale] en_DK needed
f conf/109367 i18n [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating ac
f conf/91106 i18n [locale] date definitions in pl_PL locale are wrong

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Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org

2009-10-05T04:06:52Z

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o conf/137870 i18n [locale] en_DK needed
f conf/109367 i18n [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating ac
f conf/91106 i18n [locale] date definitions in pl_PL locale are wrong

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WIP - Locale New Approach

2009-10-03T06:20:05Z

I have done a write up on the work I've done so far on a new approach
to maintain the locale database in the FreeBSD base system, it is
available at http://wiki.freebsd.org/LocaleNewApproach.

Comments etc are greatly appreciated.
Also references to other lists where this could / should be discussed
on.

Edwin

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Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org

2009-09-28T04:06:55Z

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o conf/137870 i18n [locale] en_DK needed
f conf/109367 i18n [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating ac
f conf/91106 i18n [locale] date definitions in pl_PL locale are wrong

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Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org

2009-09-21T04:06:55Z

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o conf/137870 i18n [locale] en_DK needed
f conf/109367 i18n [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating ac
f conf/91106 i18n [locale] date definitions in pl_PL locale are wrong

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Re: WIP - share/{monet,msg,numeric,time}def

2009-09-18T13:23:05Z

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 07:49:56AM +1000, Edwin Groothuis wrote:
> > Once this part is working properly (and to others people satisfaction)
> So if somebody smart wants to give his 2cents on this, please do now.
> And not after I merged the data into head please :-)

Please don't forget about recently added lt_LT.

> Is there somebody here who understands the hi_IN language (.ISCII-DEV
> charactermap) and the ru_RU language (CP866 charactermap) for some
> questions?

ru_RU.CP866 yes.

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Re: WIP - share/{monet,msg,numeric,time}def

2009-09-16T19:41:12Z

Edwin Groothuis <edwin@...> writes:

> Is there somebody here who understands the hi_IN language (.ISCII-DEV
> charactermap) and the ru_RU language (CP866 charactermap) for some
> questions?

Yes for ru_RU. Not quite familiar with locale infrastructure though.

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Re: WIP - share/{monet,msg,numeric,time}def

2009-09-16T14:49:56Z

> Once this part is working properly (and to others people satisfaction)

Tumbleweed all over the place!

Right now the output of this WIP matches the FreeBSD datafiles.

So if somebody smart wants to give his 2cents on this, please do now.
And not after I merged the data into head please :-)

Is there somebody here who understands the hi_IN language (.ISCII-DEV
charactermap) and the ru_RU language (CP866 charactermap) for some
questions?

Edwin

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Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org

2009-09-14T04:07:00Z

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o conf/137870 i18n [locale] en_DK needed
f conf/109367 i18n [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating ac
f conf/91106 i18n [locale] date definitions in pl_PL locale are wrong

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WIP - share/{monet,msg,numeric,time}def

2009-09-07T22:34:51Z

In the last couple of months I've spend some time with the data in
the share/{monet,msg,numeric,time}def directories and the data from
the CLDR (Common Locale Data Repository) project.

The biggest issues with the way the current data in the *def directories
is maintained is that it is partly high-ascii (specially for the
non-US-ASCII and non-ISO8859-{1,2,15} character maps) and partly
un-synchronized between the different character maps for the same
locale.

The first approach was to see if I could transform the data from
the CLDR project into the format the FreeBSD project wanted to have
it. It taught me a lot about the data stored in the CLDR project,
but also that it isn't compatible enough to do it automatic.

The second approach, still happening now, is going much better:
Instead of storing the high-ascii and multiple charactermap
translations in the SCM, we have per locale one file with a proper
definition of the words and syntax used, which gets converted into
UTF-8 and which then gets transformed to the required charactermaps.

For example, the file share/msgdef/nl_NL.unicode:

# yesexpr
^[<LATIN SMALL LETTER J><LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J><LATIN SMALL LETTER Y><LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y>].*
# noexpr
^[<LATIN SMALL LETTER N><LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N>].*
# EOF

gets converted into nl_NL.UTF-8:

# yesexpr
^[jJyY].*
# noexpr
^[nN].*
# EOF

and gets transformed into its ISO8859-1 and ISO8859-15 equivalents.
Since this is low-ascii it is a boring example, but the idea is
there.

What are currently show-stoppers?

- The conversion between .unicode and .UTF-8 is done via a Perl
script and the CLDR database, which means that it won't be in the
base system for now. So we need both the .unicode source files
and the .UTF-8 files in the SCM system.

- There is no iconv in the base operating system yet. Gabor@ is in
the process of porting citrus-iconv from NetBSD, but it isn't
available yet. So we also need the converted charactermaps in the
SCM for now. I have access to his iconv and will feed the current
issues back to him.

These two show-stoppers right now cause that we will get a lot more
data in the SCM system than what we have right now until they are
resolved. The first one should not be difficult, the second one is
with somebody who understands it :-)

So the advantages, when everything is ready:

- Human readable source files with Unicode style encoding.
- All locales with the different character maps are generated from
one source and thus up-to-date with each other.

Once this part is working properly (and to others people satisfaction)
we can update the contents with information from third party sources
like the CLDR. But that is still a long time away for now.

Edwin
svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/user/edwin/locale

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Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org

2009-09-07T04:06:59Z

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o conf/137870 i18n [locale] en_DK needed
f conf/109367 i18n [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating ac
f conf/91106 i18n [locale] date definitions in pl_PL locale are wrong

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Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org

2009-08-31T04:07:06Z

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o conf/137870 i18n [locale] en_DK needed
f conf/109367 i18n [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating ac
f conf/91106 i18n [locale] date definitions in pl_PL locale are wrong

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Re: conf/109367: [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating accents

2009-08-24T13:20:04Z

The following reply was made to PR conf/109367; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: "konrad.jankowski@..." <konrad.jankowski@...>
To: bug-followup@...,
salsafresh@...
Cc:
Subject: Re: conf/109367: [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating accents
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:53:42 +0200

This is actually my task, I will take over from this point on.

It is and will be broken until I finally merge back my patches. Sorry
for the long delay, I had got really heavy personal stuff going on.
This is all about this work: http://wiki.freebsd.org/KonradJankowski/Collation
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2009-08-24T04:06:55Z

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o conf/137870 i18n [locale] en_DK needed
f conf/109367 i18n [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating ac
f conf/91106 i18n [locale] date definitions in pl_PL locale are wrong

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Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed

2009-08-20T06:11:00Z

On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:20:23 +1000, Edwin Groothuis <edwin@...> wrote:
>
> RFC4646.
>

Thanks for finding RFC4646.

I would also refer to this document:

http://www.openi18n.org/docs/text/LocNameGuide-V10.txt

The format of locale names is defined there. In short:

LANGUAGE_TERRITORY.CODESET@MODIFIERS

Based on this, and since we're modifying LC_TIME, I would now
propose the base name for the proposed modification be:

en@ISOtime

The port should define modifiers for all base system "en_"
territories:
en_AU@ISOtime
en_CA@ISOtime
en_GB@ISOtime
en_IE@ISOtime
en_NZ@ISOtime
en_US@ISOtime

and also the various base system codesets:

en_AU.ISO8859-1@ISOtime
en_AU.ISO8859-15@ISOtime
en_AU.US-ASCII@ISOtime
en_AU.UTF-8@ISOtime
etc

-jr

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Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed

2009-08-20T04:20:23Z

> You are right about the part after the period being reserved, although
> it seems it's a character set rather than a font family.
>
> The format appears to be:

RFC4646.

You are right, it's not a font family but a Language Tag.

Edwin

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Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed

2009-08-19T07:40:04Z

The following reply was made to PR conf/137870; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: "J.R. Oldroyd" <fbsd@...>
To: Edwin Groothuis <edwin@...>
Cc: freebsd-i18n@..., bug-followup@...
Subject: Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:30:30 +0200

On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:23:37 +1000, Edwin Groothuis <edwin@...> wrote:
>
>
> > I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and
> > en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable.
>
> The optional part behind the country is reserved for the font family.
> Latn or Cyrl etc.
>
> What you are more looking at is a unused language string (like "xx"
> to make it "xx_DK") which has the right definitions in it.
>
> I don't think that the right place for this non-standard thing is
> in the base system, a port would be a much cleaner solution.
>
> Edwin
>

You are right about the part after the period being reserved, although
it seems it's a character set rather than a font family.

The format appears to be:
xx_YY.charset
xx = ISO639 2-letter language code
YY = ISO3166 2-letter country code
charset = UTF-8, ISO8859-1, CP1131, etc

For years now I have used the name en_ISO.UTF-8 myself for exactly the
purpose that the poster is requesting, without anything apparently
breaking. While the string "ISO" is obviously not a 2-letter ISO3166
country code, it does not appear to break anything.

I agree that this should be done as a port, rather than added to the
base system.

-jr
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Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed

2009-08-19T07:30:30Z

On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:23:37 +1000, Edwin Groothuis <edwin@...> wrote:

>
>
> > I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and
> > en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable.
>
> The optional part behind the country is reserved for the font family.
> Latn or Cyrl etc.
>
> What you are more looking at is a unused language string (like "xx"
> to make it "xx_DK") which has the right definitions in it.
>
> I don't think that the right place for this non-standard thing is
> in the base system, a port would be a much cleaner solution.
>
> Edwin
>

You are right about the part after the period being reserved, although
it seems it's a character set rather than a font family.

The format appears to be:
xx_YY.charset
xx = ISO639 2-letter language code
YY = ISO3166 2-letter country code
charset = UTF-8, ISO8859-1, CP1131, etc

For years now I have used the name en_ISO.UTF-8 myself for exactly the
purpose that the poster is requesting, without anything apparently
breaking. While the string "ISO" is obviously not a 2-letter ISO3166
country code, it does not appear to break anything.

I agree that this should be done as a port, rather than added to the
base system.

-jr
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Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed

2009-08-19T05:30:03Z

The following reply was made to PR conf/137870; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Edwin Groothuis <edwin@...>
To: freebsd-i18n@..., bug-followup@...
Cc: "J. R. Oldroyd" <fbsd@...>
Subject: Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:23:37 +1000

> I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and
> en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable.

The optional part behind the country is reserved for the font family.
Latn or Cyrl etc.

What you are more looking at is a unused language string (like "xx"
to make it "xx_DK") which has the right definitions in it.

I don't think that the right place for this non-standard thing is
in the base system, a port would be a much cleaner solution.

Edwin

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Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed

2009-08-19T05:23:37Z

> I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and
> en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable.

The optional part behind the country is reserved for the font family.
Latn or Cyrl etc.

What you are more looking at is a unused language string (like "xx"
to make it "xx_DK") which has the right definitions in it.

I don't think that the right place for this non-standard thing is
in the base system, a port would be a much cleaner solution.

Edwin

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Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed

2009-08-18T07:50:04Z

The following reply was made to PR conf/137870; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: "J.R. Oldroyd" <fbsd@...>
To: bug-followup@...
Cc:
Subject: Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:16:40 +0200

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:28:09 GMT, gavin@... wrote:
>
> Old Synopsis: Locale en_DK needed
> New Synopsis: [locale] en_DK needed
>
> Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-i18n
> Responsible-Changed-By: gavin
> Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Aug 17 11:14:32 UTC 2009
> Responsible-Changed-Why:
> Over to maintainer(s). To submitter: if you have already created copies of the
> requested files, are you able to share them?
>
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I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and en_US.isodate
or something along those lines would be more suitable.

First, en_DK might one day be needed to describe how English is actually
used in Denmark.

Second, anyone looking for a locale description with English but ISO
date/time info is unlikely to find it if it is hidden under a local
country name.

-jr
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Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed

2009-08-18T03:31:21Z

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:28:09 GMT, gavin@... wrote:

>
> Old Synopsis: Locale en_DK needed
> New Synopsis: [locale] en_DK needed
>
> Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-i18n
> Responsible-Changed-By: gavin
> Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Aug 17 11:14:32 UTC 2009
> Responsible-Changed-Why:
> Over to maintainer(s). To submitter: if you have already created copies of the
> requested files, are you able to share them?
>
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I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and en_US.isodate
or something along those lines would be more suitable.

First, en_DK might one day be needed to describe how English is actually
used in Denmark.

Second, anyone looking for a locale description with English but ISO
date/time info is unlikely to find it if it is hidden under a local
country name.

-jr
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Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed

2009-08-17T04:28:09Z

Old Synopsis: Locale en_DK needed
New Synopsis: [locale] en_DK needed

Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-i18n
Responsible-Changed-By: gavin
Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Aug 17 11:14:32 UTC 2009
Responsible-Changed-Why:
Over to maintainer(s). To submitter: if you have already created copies of the
requested files, are you able to share them?

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