freebsd java

[matthew sporleder]

I know a lot of people in here probably already knew this, but freebsd
seems to be pretty on-the-ball with java these days:
http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml

Does netbsd have contacts on the freebsd team for their patches or
other things to get this level of support into netbsd?

Matt

[Kees Jan Koster]

Dear Matt,

> I know a lot of people in here probably already knew this, but freebsd
> seems to be pretty on-the-ball with java these days:
> http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml
>
> Does netbsd have contacts on the freebsd team for their patches or
> other things to get this level of support into netbsd?


I don't know how it developed, but when I was involved with the  
FreeBSD Java porting effort back in 2001, there was pretty good  
contact between the NetBSD, OpenBSD and FreeBSD JVM hackers. I have  
seen a lot of #ifdef NETBSD and #ifdef OPENBSD go into the patch sets.

I have lost sight of the details of the porting effort in the past few  
years, so I don't know if the contact is still as good.

Perhaps you can contact Greg Lewis about this. He is the binding  
factor. His mail address is glewis at his domain: http://www.eyesbeyond.com/

--
Kees Jan

http://java-monitor.com/forum/
kjkoster@...
06-51838192

The secret of success lies in the stability of the goal. -- Benjamin  
Disraeli

[Martin Husemann]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 03:56:46PM -0400, matthew sporleder wrote:
> Does netbsd have contacts on the freebsd team for their patches or
> other things to get this level of support into netbsd?

My subjective impression is that from a technical point of view we are
mostly done. There might be minor tweaks needed - and TNF is even willing
to pay someone completing the work. BUT: our experience working with Sun's
lawyers is ... suboptimal.

Maybe we should try to trigger some insider contacts at Sun and see if we
can get things rolling again.

Martin

[Scott Bartram-2]

The OpenJDK project is now the project where all the *BSD and Linux  
activity is happening.  Recently (within the past 3 weeks), the *BSD  
port was approved as a project and the initial patches have been  
brought in.  There are no more licensing issues to resolve (that I  
know of).

You can read more about it here:  http://openjdk.java.net/projects/bsd-port/



On Aug 29, 2008, at 4:05 PM, Martin Husemann wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 03:56:46PM -0400, matthew sporleder wrote:
>> Does netbsd have contacts on the freebsd team for their patches or
>> other things to get this level of support into netbsd?
>
> My subjective impression is that from a technical point of view we are
> mostly done. There might be minor tweaks needed - and TNF is even  
> willing
> to pay someone completing the work. BUT: our experience working with  
> Sun's
> lawyers is ... suboptimal.
>
> Maybe we should try to trigger some insider contacts at Sun and see  
> if we
> can get things rolling again.
>
> Martin

[Martin Husemann]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 04:32:11PM -0400, Scott Bartram wrote:
> You can read more about it here:  http://openjdk.java.net/projects/bsd-port/

Thats great to hear!

Sorry I haven't been able to digest all the legal stuff yet - does this mean
we now can create a binary OpenJDK pkg and redistribute it?

We have a source-only pkg for quite some time, but bootstrapping is a
bit involved, and it was our understanding that we could not publish binaries
previously, making this a bit useless.

Martin

[matthew sporleder]

On 8/29/08, Martin Husemann <martin@...> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 04:32:11PM -0400, Scott Bartram wrote:
>  > You can read more about it here:  http://openjdk.java.net/projects/bsd-port/
>
>
> Thats great to hear!
>
>  Sorry I haven't been able to digest all the legal stuff yet - does this mean
>  we now can create a binary OpenJDK pkg and redistribute it?
>
>  We have a source-only pkg for quite some time, but bootstrapping is a
>  bit involved, and it was our understanding that we could not publish binaries
>  previously, making this a bit useless.
>

The two most relevant Q/A from the faq for that question:
(which is why I was impressed that freebsd was using the logo and
calling their package "Java")

Q: But I've created an implementation based almost entirely on
OpenJDK, and packaged it for my GNU/Linux distribution. Surely you
want me to call this implementation "OpenJDK", otherwise how will
people know that they are getting a build of the project's code?
A:
Indeed, this is where the requirements of trademark law run head-on
into the needs of the community, and developers. Sun is trying out a
new approach to trademarks associated with F/OSS projects with
OpenJDK. If you have created an implementation based on OpenJDK code,
which is a substantially complete implementation in which the vast
majority of the code in your implementation is identical to the
OpenJDK code base, then Sun will give you permission to use the
"OpenJDK" trademark for package names and version strings. This means
that when you package an implementation based on OpenJDK, you can use
"OpenJDK" or "openjdk" as part of the package name. It can appear in
your package manager's list of available packages as well, and other
packages can name it as a dependency. You can also mention your
package on a website as part of a list of packages included in your
distribution.

Sun is not granting you the right to use the "OpenJDK" trademark in
any other way. So you cannot, based on this limited permission, make
statements on your web site or in other marketing materials such as:

"Blattodistro Linux features OpenJDK, Sun's open source Java SE
implementation."

You could only use the trademarked term "OpenJDK" under "fair use"
guidelines, as described in this section of the FAQ, and also as part
of Sun's trademark policy.

This limited trademark permission is found within the code itself, and
you can also read the details at
http://openjdk.java.net/legal/openjdk-trademark-notice.html.

-----

Q: Can I call products I create from code I download from your
open-source site "Java"?
A:
If your product meets one of several program requirements for using
the Java brand, including the applicable testing, (see
http://www.java.com/en/about/brand/) then you can use the appropriate
Java cup and steam logo, according to the guidelines of the brand.

For example:
"My product, Foo Sneakers is Java Compatible."
"This derivative of the OpenJDK project source code is Java Compatible."
"created my application using a Java Compatible implementation and it
is Java Powered"
For Java SE, the Java Powered logo requires that you be a member of
the Sun Partner Advantage Program and ship a Java-based application
for Java SE 1.4 or later. The Java Compatible logo program for Java SE
requires that your implementation passes the relevant TCKs for Java
SE, and that you apply for the logo. If however, you choose not to
pursue and meet the requirements of a Java brand program, then you are
not granted rights to use the Java name or its logo. Instead, your use
of the word Java is limited only to what is legally referred to as
"fair use." (See question below). Please note that under US law, and
other jurisdictions, there is no "fair use" of a logo, and you must
have a license.

For example, you can say:
My product uses code I downloaded from the openjdk.java.net website.
My product, JammaLamma, is based on code from the OpenJDK project.
My product, JCool for Java Technology, can be used with Java SE 6.

[Hubert Feyrer-4]

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Martin Husemann wrote:
> My subjective impression is that from a technical point of view we are
> mostly done. There might be minor tweaks needed - and TNF is even willing
> to pay someone completing the work.

I'd love to see someone working to get Java working on NetBSD, paid or not.
Any takers?

Martin, can you outline what's left? IIRC it's
  - fix a (very) few failed tests in the tests
  - offer a Sun-compliant way to download binaries, i.e. make sure people
    have to agree to some license prior to download.
  - what else?

I'm not even sure these two things are needed if we call it OpenJDK (as
opposed to "Java".

  - Hubert

[matthew sporleder]

On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 4:16 AM, Hubert Feyrer <hubert@...> wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Martin Husemann wrote:
>>
>> My subjective impression is that from a technical point of view we are
>> mostly done. There might be minor tweaks needed - and TNF is even willing
>> to pay someone completing the work.
>
> I'd love to see someone working to get Java working on NetBSD, paid or not.
> Any takers?
>
> Martin, can you outline what's left? IIRC it's
>  - fix a (very) few failed tests in the tests
>  - offer a Sun-compliant way to download binaries, i.e. make sure people
>   have to agree to some license prior to download.
>  - what else?
>
> I'm not even sure these two things are needed if we call it OpenJDK (as
> opposed to "Java".

Also interesting:
http://openports.se/devel/jdk/1.7

It seems that OpenBSD has some sort of java path documented as well.
(although it looks similar to what's happening in pkgsrc-wip)