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Re: TeXlive2009 binaries for FreeBSD 6,7,8 (i386/AMD64)

2009-11-26T14:30:48Z

acheron wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just got the news of someone who build binaries of TeXlive 2009.
>
> http://tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2009-November/023783.html
>
>

This is great news, thanks for sharing. I was looking forward to get
TexLive 2009 running on FreeBSD.
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TeXlive2009 binaries for FreeBSD 6,7,8 (i386/AMD64)

2009-11-26T13:19:54Z

Hi,

I just got the news of someone who build binaries of TeXlive 2009.

http://tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2009-November/023783.html

>Dear TeXLive team,

>I created 6 sets of FreeBSD binaries of TeXLive2009, for FreeBSD 6, 7
>and 8, each for i386 and amd64:

> http://anthesphoria.net/FreeBSD/TeXLive-2009/bin/

>As an active FreeBSD contributor/porter -- and a user of TeXLive on
>FreeBSD myself -- I offer to maintain all these sets and do test
>builds
>from now on. This maintenance might include producing new sets of
>binaries if significant changes occur in software provided by ports
>system that TL binaries are linked to.

>Besides, I will be glad to cover more FreeBSD versions for these two
>archs if a need arises, although this in unlikely at the moment.

>I am aware that you received offers for FreeBSD maintainership
>earlier,
>but I hope that my offer will suit you better because of "all-in-one"
>approach.

Cheers Oliver
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Re: ifconfig - GUI interface available?

2009-11-26T13:12:36Z

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 01:46:01PM -0700, Warren Block wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009, Andreas Rudisch wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:35:55 +0100
> > herbert langhans <herbert.raimund@...> wrote:
> >
> >> Its merely a matter of comfort. Like on OSX or the infamous MS-thing, there is a simple window. It shows all the ssid, you click on one (maybe the password is already assigned) and you get the certain wifi net.
> >>
> >> I use the laptop in different networks, often its auto selecting the wrong one. It would be great to point and click and get the connection..
> >
> > Hence the link and the keyword wpa_supplicant. Any way, here is another link:
> > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=wpa_supplicant.conf&sektion=5
> >
> > Take a look at the example section. You can define multiple networks.
>
> Yes, but wpa_supplicant wants to autoselect. Is there a way to make it
> choose a specific network?
>
> As far as GUI goes, there's good news and bad news. The good news is
> that a couple GUI network managers are around:

Have a look at net-mgmt/wifimgr; http://opal.com/freebsd/ports/net-mgmt/wifimgr/

Maybe that is what you're looking for?

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Re: 7.2-STABLE to 8-R

2009-11-26T13:03:43Z

On Tue 24 Nov 2009 at 13:29:44 PST Rolf G Nielsen wrote:

>Charlie Kester wrote:
>>Can someone remind me once again, when rebuilding all of my ports,
>>what is the trick for avoiding the options dialogs? I'd like to have
>>this run largely unattended. I seem to recall someone describing a
>>method to go through all of them upfront, rather than having the build
>>process interrupted each time a port wants that input.
>>
>>I know that portupgrade has a batch build option, but unless I'm
>>mistaken, that skips any ports that need interaction to build.
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>With portupgrade give -C to run make "make config" or -c to run "make
>config-conditional" for all tasks before everything else.
>
>To skip the config dialogs altogether, specify -DBATCH on the make
>commandline (-m "-DBATCH" or -M "-DBATCH" to portupgrade to append or
>prepend the -DBATCH to the make commandline).

Thanks for your replies!

To do the complete reinstall of my ports after upgrading to 8.0, I've
elected to use the method documented on the manpage for portmaster.
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Re: ifconfig - GUI interface available?

2009-11-26T12:46:01Z

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009, Andreas Rudisch wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:35:55 +0100
> herbert langhans <herbert.raimund@...> wrote:
>
>> Its merely a matter of comfort. Like on OSX or the infamous MS-thing, there is a simple window. It shows all the ssid, you click on one (maybe the password is already assigned) and you get the certain wifi net.
>>
>> I use the laptop in different networks, often its auto selecting the wrong one. It would be great to point and click and get the connection..
>
> Hence the link and the keyword wpa_supplicant. Any way, here is another link:
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=wpa_supplicant.conf&sektion=5
>
> Take a look at the example section. You can define multiple networks.

Yes, but wpa_supplicant wants to autoselect. Is there a way to make it
choose a specific network?

As far as GUI goes, there's good news and bad news. The good news is
that a couple GUI network managers are around:

http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/
http://wicd.sourceforge.net/screenshot.php

The bad news is that neither seem to have been ported to FreeBSD.

This Debian page suggests using logical interface names for each network
which could probably be used with FreeBSD. It also mentions ifscheme
(which also doesn't seem to have been ported):

http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#SwitchingConnections

And then my memory suggests there is or was some type of network profile
setting through /etc/rc.conf, but I can't find more details.

Finally, there's this:

http://www.kts.org/hm/download/setnetparm/

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Re : freebsd-update with MYKERNEL kernel configuration

2009-11-26T10:48:07Z

Hi,

I paste this link where Colin Percival explain who to use the tool freebsd-update with custom kernel. But I think that same thing as been written in the handbook.
http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=30920&postcount=9

--- En date de : Jeu 26.11.09, S4mmael <s4mmael@...> a écrit :

> De: S4mmael <s4mmael@...>
> Objet: freebsd-update with MYKERNEL kernel configuration
> À: freebsd-questions@...
> Date: Jeudi 26 Novembre 2009, 13h32
> Hi all!
>
> I've got a problem while upgrading FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p3
> -> FreeBSD
> 8.0-RELESE with freebsd-update(8).
>
> First of all I made a copy of the most configuration files.
> Then I made:
> # freebsd-update -r 8.0-RELEASE upgrade
> All went good, except the message, that because of MYKERNEL
> kernel
> configuration I should upgrade my kernel before
> "freebsd-upgrade
> install". Then I was looking for the way of kernel upgrade,
> but found
> nothing. How could I build 8.0 kernel in FreeBSD 7.2? Of
> course, there
> were 7.2 sources in /usr/src and I didn't find any sources
> in
> /var/db/freebsd-update/. It's the first my question.
>
> Thus I decided to upgrade all except the kernel and then
> rebuild the
> kernel (that worked good while upgrading 7.1 -> 7.2). I
> made as
> mentioned in hanbook:
> # freebsd-upgrade install
> # shutdown -r now
> # freebsd-upgrade install
> There were many errors "bad sistem call" on th last
> command. After all
> I discovered that much files from / were lost (I didn't
> find any grep,
> bzcat and so on). On boot kernel can't find fsck_ufs, so
> automatic
> mounting fails. If mounted by hand, there is no way to
> login because
> of some init error. Single user mode works. "freebsd-update
> roolback"
> can't find any backup. Shell scripts can't find "test" (it
> really
> doesn't exists in /bin/[ ) and fails.
>
> How can I restore the system? I've FreeBSD 7.1 CD.
>
> Thank's in advance for your help.
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Re: ifconfig - GUI interface available?

2009-11-26T09:54:59Z

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:11:38 +0100
Andreas Rudisch <"cyb."@gmx.net> replied:

>On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:35:55 +0100
>herbert langhans <herbert.raimund@...> wrote:
>
>> Its merely a matter of comfort. Like on OSX or the infamous
>> MS-thing, there is a simple window. It shows all the ssid, you click
>> on one (maybe the password is already assigned) and you get the
>> certain wifi net.
>>
>> I use the laptop in different networks, often its auto selecting the
>> wrong one. It would be great to point and click and get the
>> connection..
>
>Hence the link and the keyword wpa_supplicant. Any way, here is
>another link:
>http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=wpa_supplicant.conf&sektion=5
>
>Take a look at the example section. You can define multiple networks.
>

I think it is pretty obvious that the OP is searching for a GUI to
facilitate configuration of his device. I had actually thought about
attempting to write one. At some future date, assuming I have the time
and can assimilate all the info I need, I might attempt to do so.

<rant>
Personally, I have always felt that one of the major stumbling blocks
to getting users to switch to a non-Windows based system is the degree
of difficulty in configuring devices. The majority of users do not have
the time or inclination to read through "how-to" documentation,
assuming it even exists, gather scads of information, and then attempt,
usually unsuccessful on the first attempt, to get a simple wireless
device working when they can accomplish the same feat with little or no
user intervention on a Windows machine. Even OSX greatly simplifies the
installation process. Virtually every device that cannot be configured
and activated by Windows comes with its own installation program. I
really believe that it is fundamentally possible to accomplish the
same feat in a non-Windows environment.

Just my own 2¢.
<\rant>

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Re: ifconfig - GUI interface available?

2009-11-26T09:51:09Z

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 04:09:26PM +0100, herbert langhans wrote:
> Hi Daemons,
> I use my laptop in different wifi networks. To choose the ssid, passwords and such necessities I have to use the all-knowing and confusing 'ifconfig'.
>
> Question: Is there a GUI replacement for ifconfig? Where I can scan, choose the ssid and do other basic things? I havent found anything in the ports collection..
>

There's no GUI for ifconfig that I know of, but there *is* a GUI for
managing wi-fi networks in the ports:

http://www.freshports.org/net-mgmt/wifimgr/

See if it helps.
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Re: ifconfig - GUI interface available?

2009-11-26T08:11:38Z

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:35:55 +0100
herbert langhans <herbert.raimund@...> wrote:

> Its merely a matter of comfort. Like on OSX or the infamous MS-thing, there is a simple window. It shows all the ssid, you click on one (maybe the password is already assigned) and you get the certain wifi net.
>
> I use the laptop in different networks, often its auto selecting the wrong one. It would be great to point and click and get the connection..

Hence the link and the keyword wpa_supplicant. Any way, here is another link:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=wpa_supplicant.conf&sektion=5

Take a look at the example section. You can define multiple networks.

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cvs authentication

2009-11-26T07:39:05Z

Should the CVS/SVN mirrors really require authentication?

--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Running /usr/bin/csup
--------------------------------------------------------------
Parsing supfile "/etc/csup/sources"
Connecting to cvsup8.de.freebsd.org
Connected to 212.118.165.142
Server software version: SNAP_16_1h
Authentication required by the server and not supported by client
*** Error code 1
1 error
*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/src.

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Re: ifconfig - GUI interface available?

2009-11-26T07:35:55Z

Hi Andreas,
yes - I have studied the handbook, it was necessary to set all up.

Its merely a matter of comfort. Like on OSX or the infamous MS-thing, there is a simple window. It shows all the ssid, you click on one (maybe the password is already assigned) and you get the certain wifi net.

I use the laptop in different networks, often its auto selecting the wrong one. It would be great to point and click and get the connection..

Cheers
herb langhans

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 04:14:23PM +0100, Andreas Rudisch wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:09:26 +0100
> herbert langhans <herbert.raimund@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi Daemons,
> > I use my laptop in different wifi networks. To choose the ssid, passwords and such necessities I have to use the all-knowing and confusing 'ifconfig'.
> >
> > Question: Is there a GUI replacement for ifconfig? Where I can scan, choose the ssid and do other basic things? I havent found anything in the ports collection..
>
> No idea, but what about using wpa_supplicant.
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-wireless.html
>
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Re: FreeBSD 8.0 and Atheros AzureWave wireless chipset

2009-11-26T07:28:22Z

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009, Brett Glass wrote:

>> Dead as in doesn't show in dmesg/pciconf
>
> Yep, that's correct. The only hint of it is the following message:
>
> pci3: <network> at device 0.0 (no driver attached)

Hard to tell. Is it possible it's just disabled? I thought the
wireless on/off switches were soft switches, but maybe not on that
model. If you can get Linux to identify the exact model of card, along
with the model of computer, that would be helpful.

http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee

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Re: ifconfig - GUI interface available?

2009-11-26T07:14:23Z

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:09:26 +0100
herbert langhans <herbert.raimund@...> wrote:

> Hi Daemons,
> I use my laptop in different wifi networks. To choose the ssid, passwords and such necessities I have to use the all-knowing and confusing 'ifconfig'.
>
> Question: Is there a GUI replacement for ifconfig? Where I can scan, choose the ssid and do other basic things? I havent found anything in the ports collection..

No idea, but what about using wpa_supplicant.
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-wireless.html

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ifconfig - GUI interface available?

2009-11-26T07:09:26Z

Hi Daemons,
I use my laptop in different wifi networks. To choose the ssid, passwords and such necessities I have to use the all-knowing and confusing 'ifconfig'.

Question: Is there a GUI replacement for ifconfig? Where I can scan, choose the ssid and do other basic things? I havent found anything in the ports collection..

Thanks
herb langhans

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Re: Spammer data mining and www.freebsd.org

2009-11-26T06:44:16Z

"Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg@...> wrote:

>
> I just got a spam from some numbnuts spammer who said (in the spam), and I
> quote:
>
>
> >Why would anyone still pay recruitment agency fees? Wouldn't you prefer to
> >RECRUIT AS MANY PEOPLE</strong> per campaign for $499?
> >
> >Your contact details were on
> > 'http://www.ca.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributors/article.html#STAFF-COMMITTERS'
> >and we thought you should know that, during Nove>mber, you can RECRUIT
> >AS MANY PEOPLE per campaign...
>
>
> Jeezze Louise!
>
> In the first place, I didn't even know that my name or e-mail address were
> listed on that page, and I was really rather surprised to find that they
> were. Why the bleep am _I_ on there? Yea, I've hacked free software
> from time to time in my career... more than just a little... but I really
> can't recall having ever ``contributed'' to FreeBSD in any significant or
> meaningful way. I mean I'm honored to be listed in with such illustrious
> company, but in all modesty, I don't deserve to be.
>
> But anyway, regardless of that, I have to ask: (1) Why the bleep are so
> many e-mail addresses listed on that page in plain text, and without any
> sort of spammer harvesting protection whatsoever? And (2) who should I
> gripe to about this sorry state of affairs? webmaster(at)freebsd.org?
>
> I don't expect the email addresses to be protected by captchas or anything
> that convoluted, but the webmaster certainly could have at least replaced
> `@' with `(at)' or some such thing.

You do realize that this email is being archived on any number of online
archives that the FreeBSD project has no control over, and that any of
them may list your email address unobfuscated.

While I can't speak for the project, I feel that obfuscating email
addresses is a weak and obsolete protection from harvesting. It's trivial
to make a screen-scraper translate "at" to "@", and even if the method
of obfuscating is more clever than that, if it's consistent and a larger
number of email addresses are available after breaking it, well ... you
get the idea.

Far better to complain to the ISP where the email originated. That's
someone who can actually do something about the problem.

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Re: freebsd-update with MYKERNEL kernel configuration

2009-11-26T06:40:07Z

On Thursday 26 November 2009 14:32:01 S4mmael wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> I've got a problem while upgrading FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p3 -> FreeBSD
> 8.0-RELESE with freebsd-update(8).
>
> First of all I made a copy of the most configuration files. Then I made:
> # freebsd-update -r 8.0-RELEASE upgrade
> All went good, except the message, that because of MYKERNEL kernel
> configuration I should upgrade my kernel before "freebsd-upgrade
> install".

That message should probably be more strongly worded. It is absolutely
*imperative* that the custom kernel is upgraded before continuing with
freebsd-upgrade install.

For more information about how to upgrade to freebsd 8 see
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-
freebsdupdate.html

> Then I was looking for the way of kernel upgrade, but found
> nothing. How could I build 8.0 kernel in FreeBSD 7.2? Of course, there
> were 7.2 sources in /usr/src and I didn't find any sources in
> /var/db/freebsd-update/. It's the first my question.

Use csup(1) to upgrade the sources to RELENG_8_0.

>
> Thus I decided to upgrade all except the kernel and then rebuild the
> kernel (that worked good while upgrading 7.1 -> 7.2).

As you found out, you should never do that. Always make sure the kernel is the
same or newer as world (userland) especially when upgrading to a new major
version.

> I made as
> mentioned in hanbook:
> # freebsd-upgrade install
> # shutdown -r now
> # freebsd-upgrade install

At this point most userland utilities (because they all use libc.so) depend on
features only available in the 8.0 kernel, while the installed kernel is still
at 7.1. Essentially the system is bricked.

> There were many errors "bad sistem call" on th last command. After all
> I discovered that much files from / were lost (I didn't find any grep,
> bzcat and so on). On boot kernel can't find fsck_ufs, so automatic
> mounting fails. If mounted by hand, there is no way to login because
> of some init error. Single user mode works. "freebsd-update roolback"
> can't find any backup. Shell scripts can't find "test" (it really
> doesn't exists in /bin/[ ) and fails.
>
> How can I restore the system? I've FreeBSD 7.1 CD.

You can try reinstalling 7.1 taking care not to repartition the HDD. If all
went well the system runs a GENERIC kernel, which is upgradeable by freebsd-
upgrade. You can then retry the upgrade process. This process (the reinstall
from cdrom) will revert any changes to /etc, so you will need to restore that
from backup. Perhaps others know a better/easier way.

>
> Thank's in advance for your help.

Good luck!

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freebsd-update with MYKERNEL kernel configuration

2009-11-26T05:32:01Z

Hi all!

I've got a problem while upgrading FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p3 -> FreeBSD
8.0-RELESE with freebsd-update(8).

First of all I made a copy of the most configuration files. Then I made:
# freebsd-update -r 8.0-RELEASE upgrade
All went good, except the message, that because of MYKERNEL kernel
configuration I should upgrade my kernel before "freebsd-upgrade
install". Then I was looking for the way of kernel upgrade, but found
nothing. How could I build 8.0 kernel in FreeBSD 7.2? Of course, there
were 7.2 sources in /usr/src and I didn't find any sources in
/var/db/freebsd-update/. It's the first my question.

Thus I decided to upgrade all except the kernel and then rebuild the
kernel (that worked good while upgrading 7.1 -> 7.2). I made as
mentioned in hanbook:
# freebsd-upgrade install
# shutdown -r now
# freebsd-upgrade install
There were many errors "bad sistem call" on th last command. After all
I discovered that much files from / were lost (I didn't find any grep,
bzcat and so on). On boot kernel can't find fsck_ufs, so automatic
mounting fails. If mounted by hand, there is no way to login because
of some init error. Single user mode works. "freebsd-update roolback"
can't find any backup. Shell scripts can't find "test" (it really
doesn't exists in /bin/[ ) and fails.

How can I restore the system? I've FreeBSD 7.1 CD.

Thank's in advance for your help.
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Re: mod_security & apache port

2009-11-26T04:43:00Z

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:05:44PM +0100, Alex Huth wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> When i use the ports to install mod_security on a fresh installed 8.0 system,
> it is installing apache 2.0.63_3. Are there any known problems why 2.2 isn't
> used together with mod_security?
>
> Thx
>

I think that 2.0 is just the default.

To build 2.2 instead put:

APACHE_VERSION=22

in /etc/make.conf or install 2.2 first and then mod_security.

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Re: mod_security & apache port

2009-11-26T04:40:57Z

2009/11/26 Alex Huth <a.huth@...>

> Hello!
>
> When i use the ports to install mod_security on a fresh installed 8.0
> system,
> it is installing apache 2.0.63_3. Are there any known problems why 2.2
> isn't
> used together with mod_security?
>
> Thx
>
>
> Alex
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have you csup your ports?
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Re: mysql60-server??

2009-11-26T04:03:14Z

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:41:06 -0500, Jerry <gesbbb@...> wrote:
> BTW, I totally disagree with your statement regarding "commercial
> product' vs "open source" and quality.

I beg to differ. Bad software exists everywhere - in open
source world as well as in the commercial sector.

> If that were really true then
> Open Office would be equal to or superior to MS Office. In actuality,
> it is at best equal to Office 97, and that is even stretching the
> point.

I've worked for a long time in a cross-platform (Mac, Linux,
BSD, Solaris, "Windows") environment where OpenOffice has
been used successfully. A MICROS~1 product couldn't work
that good when it's about interoperability.

There are many things "modern" MICROS~1 office products
lag behind open software, be it interface design, conforming
to standards, useful (!) functionality or operation speed.

On the other hand, I admit that there are often problems
in quality with open source programs, but not as you may
think: I'm talking about the lack of proper documentation
(try "man opera" and "man firefox" for a comparison) and
insufficient attention paid to internationalisation. KDE's
german language version is a good example. Sometimes, I
think it's just "quick quick, add more features, quick
quick, and release the whole thing" instead of having a
result that is acceptable in every way it claims to serve.

(Sidenote: I'm running all my programs in their native
language, which is english, with OpenOffice being the
only exception, simply because using the german variants
is so unpleasant.)

> Commercial software is written with the end-user in mind.

Haha! Very funny. :-)

You meant to say, and I may correct your statement: Commercial
software is written with the end-user's MONEY in mind. In order
to make him buy incompatible, slow and outdated software,
aggressive advertisement is used. This advertisement has taken
the place of good coding, or: The worse your program is, the
more money you put in advertising it's "greatness". This is
the way software is sold.

Free software, on the other hand, isn't sold per se. It
is used, and so it is created with the end-user in mind,
because he doesn't give money anyway.

That's quite generic, I know, but it can be summarized that
way without contradicting to reality.

> Commercial software that does not sell will not be around very long.

That's true, and a logical implication of what I said just
before.

> On
> the other hand, open-source software tends to be written with the
> developer as the focal point with the hope that others will share their
> point of view.

Maybe that has been the case, but it's not anymore. Maybe
you're true in regards of operating systems, their interfaces
and APIs, but that's logical again, because the end-user isn't
interested in how to program for a certain OS, but the application
developers who write the software for the end-users are - and
need to be. The change of this attitude isn't new.

> Neither philosophy is inherently superior.

Yes, I agree.

> In the final
> determination the end user has to determine which meets their
> "suitability to task" requirements; whether that be "cost",
> "suitability" or both.

That's the problem: The tasks are adjusted to fit the software
currently in use (or promised to to come out soon). Educated
judgement, sadly, isn't one of the strengths of the average
PC user. "PC on, brain off" is a setting you find more often
than you'd like to.

In the past, I have mostly used free software, but some
commercial products, too, e. g. Solaris and IRIX (and HP-UX
for some special cases), and they served well in the places
they were intended to use.

I would not claim that free software serves better than
commercial software in general, because this often depends
on supporting various hardware, and we all know that the
hardware vendors still are focused on a monopoly of "Windows"
and don't care for other operating systems because they
don't exist.

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Re: mysql60-server??

2009-11-26T03:41:06Z

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:59:39 -0800
Gary Kline <kline@...> replied:

> I took a class in the Ingres db suite from one of the guys who
> wrote it. Think that Postgress is a follow-on. It strikes
> me as almost a *certainty* that any commerical project could
> be done better by the open-source community. ---If it's got
> your *NAME* on it, you're going to be certain it's superior,
> whereas if you're coding just for a paycheck, sure, you'll do
> a good job. But not as outstanding as an open-source suite.

The determining factor is "suitability to task." Once that is
determined, then cost to implement comes into play.

BTW, I totally disagree with your statement regarding "commercial
product' vs "open source" and quality. If that were really true then
Open Office would be equal to or superior to MS Office. In actuality,
it is at best equal to Office 97, and that is even stretching the
point. Commercial software is written with the end-user in mind.
Commercial software that does not sell will not be around very long. On
the other hand, open-source software tends to be written with the
developer as the focal point with the hope that others will share their
point of view.

Neither philosophy is inherently superior. In the final
determination the end user has to determine which meets their
"suitability to task" requirements; whether that be "cost",
"suitability" or both.

BTW, I am running mysql-server-6.0.11 on one of my PCs. It handles
tables for my mail system and several other sundries. It is only under a
light load; however, I have never had a single problem with it.

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mod_security & apache port

2009-11-26T03:05:44Z

Hello!

When i use the ports to install mod_security on a fresh installed 8.0 system,
it is installing apache 2.0.63_3. Are there any known problems why 2.2 isn't
used together with mod_security?

Thx

Alex
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Re: 8.0 release serial mouse not working

2009-11-26T02:08:04Z

Polytropon wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:57:32 +0800, Fbsd1 <fbsd1@...> wrote:
>> From the 8.0 release notes is the following
>> http://www.freebsd.org/releases/8.0R/relnotes-detailed.html
>>
>> [amd64, i386] The uart(4) is now the default driver for serial port
>> devices in favor of the sio(4) driver. Note that the device nodes have
>> been renamed with /dev/cuauN and /dev/ttyuN.
>>
>> tested these rc.conf statements
>>
>> moused_port="/dev/cuau0"
>> moused_type="intellimouse"
>> moused_enable="YES"
>>
>> serial mouse works again
>
> Can confirm.
>
>
>
>> This means sysinstall mouse config needs to be changed to reflect the
>> new dev names.
>
> That's correct. The handbook sec. 2.10.10 and fig. 2-44 would
> need an update, too.
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/install-post.html
>
>
>

submitted PR
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=140887
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Re: ZFS pools gone?

2009-11-26T00:55:55Z

2009/11/25 cali clarke <xorquewasp@...>

> Thanks for the replies, all.
>
> An import and upgrade was all that was needed.
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yep if you have no zpool.cache file under /boot/zfs/ then no pools will be
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Re: pf nuttyness

2009-11-26T00:54:32Z

2009/11/25 Vincent Hoffman <vince@...>

> krad wrote:
> > 2009/11/24 Brian McCann <bjmccann@...>
> >
> >
> >> I'm at the end of my rope here with PF. I have a ruleset loaded, that
> >> is long and complicated...but I've shortened to to a "pass all" rule.
> >> The box has 4 interfaces, one for pfsync, one for me to connect to it,
> >> and two bridged interfaces. The only traffic on the bridged
> >> interfaces is STP and IP multicast traffic from my EIGRP routers.
> >> When I run "pfctl -s rules -v", the EIGRP multicast traffic never hits
> >> any rules...yet it's allowed.
> >>
> >> I'm on FreeBSD 7.1.
> >>
> >> Has anyone else come across this before? I'm ready to throw out
> >> FreeBSD 7.1 and try OpenBSD for pf use...which would be a shame since
> >> I use FreeBSD for all my other servers, and having 2 OpenBSD boxes
> >> would just be... weird...
> >>
> >> --Brian
> >>
>
> Have you read the if_bridge(4) manpage? I'd reccommend starting at the
> heading "PACKET FILTERING" and checking you have the correct sysctl
> settings.
> pf certainly can filter bridge interfaces according to the manpage. That
> said I've never tried it.
>
>
> Vince
> >> --
> >> _-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_
> >> Brian McCann
> >>
> >> "I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've got hundreds of
> >> people waiting to abuse me."
> >> -- Bill Murray, "Ghostbusters"
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> >
> > pf works at layer3 (ip) bridging works at layer 2 (ethernet/datalink)
> > therefore the traffic probably never get to the upper layer of the ip
> stack
> > where pf works.
> >
> > You can do l2 filtering with ipfw if you enable the sysctl variable
> > net.link.bridge.ipfw=1. However im not sure if you can do it with pf on
> > freebsd. I had a quick scout through the man pages and cant see anything.
> > However im fairly sure you can to l2 stuff with pf in openbsd.
> >
> > As your traffic is multicast you could always configure you bsd box as a
> > multicast router rather than bridging the traffic. pf should see the
> traffic
> > then as your working at l3 and above
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i think this is the one you want

echo net.link.bridge.pfil_bridge=1 >> /etc/sysctl.conf
/etc/rc.d/sysctl restart
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Re: need help; cacti fails to build on 7.2-R, p4....

2009-11-26T00:41:22Z

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:26:42AM +0530, Vaibhav Gavane wrote:
> Upgrade x11/libxcb

YEs, exactly right. (ALong with portupgrade and other
build/fix tools.)

thanks much,

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Re: MUA questions

2009-11-25T23:49:23Z

On 2009.11.26 00:27:15 +0000, Chad Perrin wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:28:05PM -0800, Rem Roberti wrote:
> >
> > Basically, I am using Mutt as my MUA, and I have either getmail or
> > fetchmail configured to receive my POP3 mail from Comcast, which is via
> > mail.comcast.net. I am using msmtp as my smtp client, and have no
> > trouble sending mail from Mutt...just can't receive. Both the
> > .fetchmailrc and getmailrc configurations have worked in the past. Is
> > this possibly a sendmail issue? The fetchmail.log repeatedly indicates
> > "Trying to connect to 76.96.54.12/110...connection failed: Operation
> > temed out."
>
> Are you sure Mutt is trying to use fetchmail or getmail, and not still
> trying to use Sendmail instead?
>

Well...I'm embarrassed to admit this, but the problem was with the
operator...that would be me. Everything was doing its job correctly,
including procmail. I'd forgotten how to call up the list of mailboxes
where procmail puts everything, and when I hit the return key I kept
getting the "no mail" message, so I just assumed that the mail was not
being received. But no, everything was being put exactly where it was
supposed to be, and once I remembered how to access the individual
mailboxes guess what I found. This is what happens when you spend a
year operating a windoze box. I'm sure glad to be back with FreeBSD.
Thanks to all who responded.

Cheers...

Rem
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Re: MUA questions

2009-11-25T23:27:15Z

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:28:05PM -0800, Rem Roberti wrote:
>
> Basically, I am using Mutt as my MUA, and I have either getmail or
> fetchmail configured to receive my POP3 mail from Comcast, which is via
> mail.comcast.net. I am using msmtp as my smtp client, and have no
> trouble sending mail from Mutt...just can't receive. Both the
> .fetchmailrc and getmailrc configurations have worked in the past. Is
> this possibly a sendmail issue? The fetchmail.log repeatedly indicates
> "Trying to connect to 76.96.54.12/110...connection failed: Operation
> temed out."

Are you sure Mutt is trying to use fetchmail or getmail, and not still
trying to use Sendmail instead?

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Re: 8.0 release serial mouse not working

2009-11-25T23:26:59Z

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:57:32 +0800, Fbsd1 <fbsd1@...> wrote:

> From the 8.0 release notes is the following
> http://www.freebsd.org/releases/8.0R/relnotes-detailed.html
>
> [amd64, i386] The uart(4) is now the default driver for serial port
> devices in favor of the sio(4) driver. Note that the device nodes have
> been renamed with /dev/cuauN and /dev/ttyuN.
>
> tested these rc.conf statements
>
> moused_port="/dev/cuau0"
> moused_type="intellimouse"
> moused_enable="YES"
>
> serial mouse works again

Can confirm.

> This means sysinstall mouse config needs to be changed to reflect the
> new dev names.

That's correct. The handbook sec. 2.10.10 and fig. 2-44 would
need an update, too.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/install-post.html

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Re: 8.0 release serial mouse not working

2009-11-25T22:57:32Z

Polytropon wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:06:56 +0800, Fbsd1 <fbsd1@...> wrote:
>> I checked /dev and there are no cuaa* or cuad*
>
> Confirmed, 8.0-RC1 with GENERIC kernel (my toyaround machine).
>
>> In 7.2 used the sysinstall/configur/mouse menu and it was the one that
>> crated the moused_port="/dev/cuad0" rc.conf statment as showen in first
>> post.
>
> That should have been the correct setting. On version 7, I
> have /dev/cuad0, /dev/cuad0.init and /dev/cuad0.lock. On
> version 8, there's /dev/cuau0, /dev/cuau0.init and
> /dev/cuau0.lock instead.
>
> Maybe loading a kernel module is required to have the
> serial ports available again?
>
>
>
>> /dev does have cuau0 & cuau1 for uucp dialer. could this be the names of
>> the serial ports in 8.0?
>
> It seems that they don't work for the mouse because they're
> something different.
>
> I think there's another problem rising: Assume you want to
> have a serial dialin line (e. g. for a serial terminal), then
> you would have something like
>
> ttyd0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.115200" vt320 on secure
>
> in /etc/ttys. The question would be: If /dev/ttyd0 does not
> exist anymore, how to make this work again?
>
>
>
>

From the 8.0 release notes is the following
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/8.0R/relnotes-detailed.html

[amd64, i386] The uart(4) is now the default driver for serial port
devices in favor of the sio(4) driver. Note that the device nodes have
been renamed with /dev/cuauN and /dev/ttyuN.

tested these rc.conf statements

moused_port="/dev/cuau0"
moused_type="intellimouse"
moused_enable="YES"

serial mouse works again

This means sysinstall mouse config needs to be changed to reflect the
new dev names.
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Re: FreeBSD 8.0 and Atheros AzureWave wireless chipset

2009-11-25T22:29:55Z

> Dead as in doesn't show in dmesg/pciconf

Yep, that's correct. The only hint of it is the following message:

pci3: <network> at device 0.0 (no driver attached)

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Re: MUA questions

2009-11-25T22:28:05Z

>> I just installed FreeBSD 7.2 on a new box and am having trouble
>> getting either fetchmail or getmail to talk to the ISP. Is this a
>> question that can can be answered here, or is there another more
>> appropriate forum. I thought it best to ask that question first
>> before going any further.
>>
>
> I use fetchmail, though I'm not an expert.
> What's the problem?
>
>
> Robert Huff
>
>
>

Basically, I am using Mutt as my MUA, and I have either getmail or
fetchmail configured to receive my POP3 mail from Comcast, which is via
mail.comcast.net. I am using msmtp as my smtp client, and have no
trouble sending mail from Mutt...just can't receive. Both the
.fetchmailrc and getmailrc configurations have worked in the past. Is
this possibly a sendmail issue? The fetchmail.log repeatedly indicates
"Trying to connect to 76.96.54.12/110...connection failed: Operation
temed out."

Rem
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Re: 8.0 release serial mouse not working

2009-11-25T22:24:29Z

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:06:56 +0800, Fbsd1 <fbsd1@...> wrote:
> I checked /dev and there are no cuaa* or cuad*

Confirmed, 8.0-RC1 with GENERIC kernel (my toyaround machine).

> In 7.2 used the sysinstall/configur/mouse menu and it was the one that
> crated the moused_port="/dev/cuad0" rc.conf statment as showen in first
> post.

That should have been the correct setting. On version 7, I
have /dev/cuad0, /dev/cuad0.init and /dev/cuad0.lock. On
version 8, there's /dev/cuau0, /dev/cuau0.init and
/dev/cuau0.lock instead.

Maybe loading a kernel module is required to have the
serial ports available again?

> /dev does have cuau0 & cuau1 for uucp dialer. could this be the names of
> the serial ports in 8.0?

It seems that they don't work for the mouse because they're
something different.

I think there's another problem rising: Assume you want to
have a serial dialin line (e. g. for a serial terminal), then
you would have something like

ttyd0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.115200" vt320 on secure

in /etc/ttys. The question would be: If /dev/ttyd0 does not
exist anymore, how to make this work again?

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Re: MUA questions

2009-11-25T22:09:49Z

Rem Roberti wrote:

> I just installed FreeBSD 7.2 on a new box and am having trouble getting
> either fetchmail or getmail to talk to the ISP. Is this a question that
> can can be answered here, or is there another more appropriate forum. I
> thought it best to ask that question first before going any further.
>
> Thanks...
>
> Rem
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I have fetchmail working on 7.2. describe your problem in detail and
post you control statements.
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Re: SAME: Re: need help; cacti fails to build on 7.2-R, p4....

2009-11-25T22:08:20Z

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Gary Kline <kline@...> wrote:

> tHIS I doesn't understand. Maybe it's time for a portupgrade
> on my brand new system...... This stuff is the biggest
> turnoff with FBSD. In fat, it's the only one, since server
> are supposed to be workhorses.
>

If you were installing cacti for the first time, i.e. with portinstall, then
according to the manual, the dependencies should have been automatically
upgraded. Either your ports tree itself was out of date or there is
something wrong with portupgrade. If you suspect the latter, consider giving
portmaster a try.
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