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future development of lib/div
by Franz Holzinger
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What is the common opinion of the extension developers?
1) The div/lib should still be developed in the ECT. It will be refactored as much as needed and considered usefull. 2) The div/lib should be moved now into TYPO3 Core and only Core developers will make decisions on it. 3) A completely new MVC framework shall be developed instead of lib/div. 4) Another MVC framework extension shall be taken und developed instead of lib/div. All current code of lib/div will be put there. See: thread 'ECT - teamleaders' - Franz _______________________________________________ TYPO3-team-extension-coordination mailing list TYPO3-team-extension-coordination@... http://lists.netfielders.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-team-extension-coordination |
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Re: future development of lib/div
by Daniel Bruessler-4
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Hello Franz,
so here my answer: NOW for the current extensions: 1) for FUTURE extensions (in 1 year?) as alternative: 4) FORGE-MVC > What is the common opinion of the extension developers? > - Franz _______________________________________________ TYPO3-team-extension-coordination mailing list TYPO3-team-extension-coordination@... http://lists.netfielders.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-team-extension-coordination |
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Re: future development of lib/div
by Michael Cannon-3
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Being a lib/div developer, I'd like to see MVC methodology migrated to
the TYPO3 core and it become the standard. The resulting code when done right, comes out much cleaner and more flexible than our previous do all in one class method process. Even if lib/div transition into FLOW3 or something, while I'm not asking for backwards compatibility, I would like information on how to migrate lib/div extensions to FLOW3. -- Michael Cannon President of Cannonbose, LLC +1 (800) 559-9773 | +1 (603) 559-9773 | Fax : +1 (802) 609-2776 http://www.cannonbose.com _______________________________________________ TYPO3-team-extension-coordination mailing list TYPO3-team-extension-coordination@... http://lists.netfielders.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-team-extension-coordination |
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Re: future development of lib/div
by omic
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Hi everyone,
> Being a lib/div developer, I'd like to see MVC methodology migrated to > the TYPO3 core and it become the standard. The resulting code when > done right, comes out much cleaner and more flexible than our previous > do all in one class method process. I do agree. But it seems to have a long and far distance until it could reach the core. The first step would be to build a team that is continuing the work on the framework. Not easy to find people that have the time and the skills... I see myself rather as a contributor. Bonus: interesting reading on the sponsoring side. Read milestone 1. Ground work, MVC and Form objects. http://typo3.org/development/sponsoring/list-of-sponsored-projects/new-form-object/ http://typo3.org/fileadmin/sponsored_projects/new_form.pdf Michael Cannon a écrit : > Being a lib/div developer, I'd like to see MVC methodology migrated to > the TYPO3 core and it become the standard. The resulting code when > done right, comes out much cleaner and more flexible than our previous > do all in one class method process. > > Even if lib/div transition into FLOW3 or something, while I'm not > asking for backwards compatibility, I would like information on how to > migrate lib/div extensions to FLOW3. > -- > Michael Cannon > President of Cannonbose, LLC > +1 (800) 559-9773 | +1 (603) 559-9773 | Fax : +1 (802) 609-2776 > http://www.cannonbose.com TYPO3-team-extension-coordination mailing list TYPO3-team-extension-coordination@... http://lists.netfielders.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-team-extension-coordination |
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Re: future development of lib/div
by Michael Cannon-3
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Fabien,
Isn't FLOW3 effectively replacing the div/lib modeling for TYPO3 5.0? It seems FLOW3 pulls in the best software design patterns and makes them real for us to use. -- Michael Cannon President of Cannonbose, LLC +1 (800) 559-9773 | +1 (603) 559-9773 | Fax : +1 (802) 609-2776 http://www.cannonbose.com On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Fabien Udriot <fudriot@...> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > > Being a lib/div developer, I'd like to see MVC methodology migrated to > > the TYPO3 core and it become the standard. The resulting code when > > done right, comes out much cleaner and more flexible than our previous > > do all in one class method process. > > I do agree. But it seems to have a long and far distance until it could reach the core. > > The first step would be to build a team that is continuing the work on the framework. Not easy to > find people that have the time and the skills... I see myself rather as a contributor. > > Bonus: interesting reading on the sponsoring side. Read milestone 1. Ground work, MVC and Form objects. > > http://typo3.org/development/sponsoring/list-of-sponsored-projects/new-form-object/ > http://typo3.org/fileadmin/sponsored_projects/new_form.pdf > > Michael Cannon a écrit : >> Being a lib/div developer, I'd like to see MVC methodology migrated to >> the TYPO3 core and it become the standard. The resulting code when >> done right, comes out much cleaner and more flexible than our previous >> do all in one class method process. >> >> Even if lib/div transition into FLOW3 or something, while I'm not >> asking for backwards compatibility, I would like information on how to >> migrate lib/div extensions to FLOW3. >> -- >> Michael Cannon >> President of Cannonbose, LLC >> +1 (800) 559-9773 | +1 (603) 559-9773 | Fax : +1 (802) 609-2776 >> http://www.cannonbose.com > _______________________________________________ > TYPO3-team-extension-coordination mailing list > TYPO3-team-extension-coordination@... > http://lists.netfielders.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-team-extension-coordination TYPO3-team-extension-coordination mailing list TYPO3-team-extension-coordination@... http://lists.netfielders.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-team-extension-coordination |
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Re: future development of lib/div
by omic
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> Isn't FLOW3 effectively replacing the div/lib modeling for TYPO3 5.0?
Of course! And gimmefive is a kind of bridge in T3 v4 using some part of the FLOW3's code. There is already a demo extension using it: http://forge.typo3.org/projects/extension-gimmefive/news > It seems FLOW3 pulls in the best software design patterns and makes > them real for us to use. > -- > Michael Cannon > President of Cannonbose, LLC > +1 (800) 559-9773 | +1 (603) 559-9773 | Fax : +1 (802) 609-2776 > http://www.cannonbose.com > > > On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Fabien Udriot <fudriot@...> wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> >> > Being a lib/div developer, I'd like to see MVC methodology migrated to >> > the TYPO3 core and it become the standard. The resulting code when >> > done right, comes out much cleaner and more flexible than our previous >> > do all in one class method process. >> >> I do agree. But it seems to have a long and far distance until it could reach the core. >> >> The first step would be to build a team that is continuing the work on the framework. Not easy to >> find people that have the time and the skills... I see myself rather as a contributor. >> >> Bonus: interesting reading on the sponsoring side. Read milestone 1. Ground work, MVC and Form objects. >> >> http://typo3.org/development/sponsoring/list-of-sponsored-projects/new-form-object/ >> http://typo3.org/fileadmin/sponsored_projects/new_form.pdf >> >> Michael Cannon a écrit : >>> Being a lib/div developer, I'd like to see MVC methodology migrated to >>> the TYPO3 core and it become the standard. The resulting code when >>> done right, comes out much cleaner and more flexible than our previous >>> do all in one class method process. >>> >>> Even if lib/div transition into FLOW3 or something, while I'm not >>> asking for backwards compatibility, I would like information on how to >>> migrate lib/div extensions to FLOW3. >>> -- >>> Michael Cannon >>> President of Cannonbose, LLC >>> +1 (800) 559-9773 | +1 (603) 559-9773 | Fax : +1 (802) 609-2776 >>> http://www.cannonbose.com >> _______________________________________________ >> TYPO3-team-extension-coordination mailing list >> TYPO3-team-extension-coordination@... >> http://lists.netfielders.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-team-extension-coordination TYPO3-team-extension-coordination mailing list TYPO3-team-extension-coordination@... http://lists.netfielders.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-team-extension-coordination |
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Re: future development of lib/div
by Franz Holzinger
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Fabien Udriot a écrit :
>> Isn't FLOW3 effectively replacing the div/lib modeling for TYPO3 5.0? > > Of course! Hello, if it proclaims to replace div/lib, where will the methods of div/lib be put? Someone cannot move to another extension library if functions already used in div/lib are missing there. Franz _______________________________________________ TYPO3-team-extension-coordination mailing list TYPO3-team-extension-coordination@... http://lists.netfielders.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-team-extension-coordination |
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Re: future development of lib/div
by Daniel Bruessler-4
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Hello Fabien and Franz,
please don't mix it together. There's NO competition yet between the two solutions. lib/div is a NOWADAYS framework and it's a very good one. FLOW3-MVCpackage aka "gimmefive" is the FUTURE framework. => This should be TWO ECT-coordination efforts. Cheers! Daniel > Fabien Udriot a écrit : >>> Isn't FLOW3 effectively replacing the div/lib modeling for TYPO3 5.0? >> Of course! > > Hello, > > if it proclaims to replace div/lib, where will the methods of div/lib be > put? Someone cannot move to another extension library if functions > already used in div/lib are missing there. > > Franz TYPO3-team-extension-coordination mailing list TYPO3-team-extension-coordination@... http://lists.netfielders.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-team-extension-coordination |
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Re: future development of lib/div
by Daniel Pötzinger
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Franz Holzinger schrieb:
> What is the common opinion of the extension developers? > > 1) The div/lib should still be developed in the ECT. It will be > refactored as much as needed and considered usefull. > 2) The div/lib should be moved now into TYPO3 Core and only Core > developers will make decisions on it. > 3) A completely new MVC framework shall be developed instead of lib/div. > 4) Another MVC framework extension shall be taken und developed instead > of lib/div. All current code of lib/div will be put there. > > > See: thread 'ECT - teamleaders' > > - Franz lib/div and build something new - also inspired by FLOW3 and ZEND... _______________________________________________ TYPO3-team-extension-coordination mailing list TYPO3-team-extension-coordination@... http://lists.netfielders.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-team-extension-coordination |
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Re: future development of lib/div
by Christof Damian-2
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2008/7/2 Franz Holzinger <franz@...>:
> What is the common opinion of the extension developers? > > 1) The div/lib should still be developed in the ECT. It will be > refactored as much as needed and considered usefull. > 2) The div/lib should be moved now into TYPO3 Core and only Core > developers will make decisions on it. > 3) A completely new MVC framework shall be developed instead of lib/div. > 4) Another MVC framework extension shall be taken und developed instead > of lib/div. All current code of lib/div will be put there. 1 or 2 for me. We are using lib/div in a few projects and I think it makes extension development a lot easier and maintainable. I also like that it is a very small extension, which I can easily fix and extend myself. I am pretty happy with the features it has at the moment, it just needs a bit more love to reach a 1.0 version. I would like better support for back end modules and more support for testing. And maybe ORM support for the models (though I probably can get that to work now already). The main problem is the missing documentation, examples, lack of kickstarter support and small community. Regarding 4+5: I have projects which use lib/div, so I don't really have the choice of switching. I also wonder why this should be better then lib/div or faster reaching a stable version. You would also have the same problems as lib/div which I mentioned above. Just my 2c Christof -- Christof Damian _______________________________________________ TYPO3-team-extension-coordination mailing list TYPO3-team-extension-coordination@... http://lists.netfielders.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-team-extension-coordination |
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Re: future development of lib/div
by Franz Holzinger
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Hello Daniel,
> please don't mix it together. There's NO competition yet between the two > solutions. lib/div is a NOWADAYS framework and it's a very good one. > FLOW3-MVCpackage aka "gimmefive" is the FUTURE framework. > > => This should be TWO ECT-coordination efforts. So I would like to develop the div extension to become independant from lib. You could use the div API then without any needs to install lib. Would you pass me over the div extension key? Who wants to take over the further lib development? - Franz _______________________________________________ TYPO3-team-extension-coordination mailing list TYPO3-team-extension-coordination@... http://lists.netfielders.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-team-extension-coordination |
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Re: future development of lib/div
by Daniel Bruessler-4
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Hello Franz,
please write an email to Robert, then he transfers the extension-key to you. Elmar is the owner of the key and he's not answering in the moment. Cheers! Daniel > Hello Daniel, > >> please don't mix it together. There's NO competition yet between the >> two solutions. lib/div is a NOWADAYS framework and it's a very good >> one. FLOW3-MVCpackage aka "gimmefive" is the FUTURE framework. >> >> => This should be TWO ECT-coordination efforts. > > So I would like to develop the div extension to become independant from > lib. You could use the div API then without any needs to install lib. > Would you pass me over the div extension key? > Who wants to take over the further lib development? > > - Franz TYPO3-team-extension-coordination mailing list TYPO3-team-extension-coordination@... http://lists.netfielders.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-team-extension-coordination |
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Re: future development of lib/div
by Steffen Kamper-3
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Daniel Bruessler schrieb:
> Hello Franz, > > please write an email to Robert, then he transfers the extension-key to > you. Elmar is the owner of the key and he's not answering in the moment. > > Cheers! > Daniel > Hi, all exts are in forge now, together in the ECT project. Franz you are also leader. So work can continue without Elmar. If he's interested to continue he can join the project, otherwise he should give the keys to ECT vg Steffen _______________________________________________ TYPO3-team-extension-coordination mailing list TYPO3-team-extension-coordination@... http://lists.netfielders.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-team-extension-coordination |
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