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by thebugslayer :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Peter,

I really like to see jTrac providing similar features that
Trac(python) provides. Wiki+Issues+Subversion are just a must have,
attractive combo for any project management. I would trade war
deployment vs TracInstall anytime.

Any news as to jTrac's future roadmap and release?

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Re: future roadmap

by ptrthomas :: Rate this Message:

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Hi,

Appreciate your interest and I completely agree that Wiki + Subversion is a must.

JTrac development has admittedly slowed down over the last 2-3 months.  Some patches have started to come in though and we hope to have development in full-swing very soon.  (Day-job kinda getting in the way).  Honestly never expected that something that sounds as simple as an issue-tracker would have so many layers to it :)

Any ideas on the wiki-engine to embed would be welcome.  I was thinking of Radeox, bit about it here:

http://stephan.reposita.org/archives/2007/08/20/forking-radeox-a-new-wiki-render-engine/

Thanks,

Peter.

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Hi Peter,

I really like to see jTrac providing similar features that
Trac(python) provides. Wiki+Issues+Subversion are just a must have,
attractive combo for any project management. I would trade war
deployment vs TracInstall anytime.

Any news as to jTrac's future roadmap and release?

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Re: future roadmap

by thebugslayer :: Rate this Message:

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Peter,

I have used VQWiki and XWiki (just as end user though) and they both
are ready to use out of the box. VQWiki is simpler and lighter, while
XWiki seems to be bigger but with larger user community with richer
feature set.

I have not dealt with Radeox.

In regardless, I think one of the main attraction and good feature of
any wiki should provide is API set to easily add different set of
syntax parser. As we already know almost every engine out there has
it's own syntax rules. Been able to a most popular rule like in
Confluence etc, will allow user to migrate easily.

-Zemian

On 10/19/07, Peter Thomas <ptrthomas@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Appreciate your interest and I completely agree that Wiki + Subversion is a
> must.
>
> JTrac development has admittedly slowed down over the last 2-3 months.  Some
> patches have started to come in though and we hope to have development in
> full-swing very soon.  (Day-job kinda getting in the way).  Honestly never
> expected that something that sounds as simple as an issue-tracker would have
> so many layers to it :)
>
> Any ideas on the wiki-engine to embed would be welcome.  I was thinking of
> Radeox, bit about it here:
>
> http://stephan.reposita.org/archives/2007/08/20/forking-radeox-a-new-wiki-render-engine/
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter.
>
>
> On 10/19/07, thebugslayer <thebugslayer@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > I really like to see jTrac providing similar features that
> > Trac(python) provides. Wiki+Issues+Subversion are just a must have,
> > attractive combo for any project management. I would trade war
> > deployment vs TracInstall anytime.
> >
> > Any news as to jTrac's future roadmap and release?
> >
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Re: future roadmap

by Staffan Olsson :: Rate this Message:

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Hi,

I agree that every development project needs a documentation system
that developers can update swiftly and as a community. However I must
add to the debate that when I chose jTrac, one reason was that it is
only an issue tracker. A documentation system is a different project.
It may be the same developers and the same frameworks, but I can't see
a reson for releasing them together. For a reason not to: look at the
complexity of the Trac project.

Features like bookmarkable URLs, single sign-on and XML/JSON services
would allow integration with any documentation system. I personally
prefer html documents in the svn repository and an option to edit
online using tinymce or wymeditor.

/Staffan

On 10/20/07, thebugslayer <thebugslayer@...> wrote:

> Peter,
>
> I have used VQWiki and XWiki (just as end user though) and they both
> are ready to use out of the box. VQWiki is simpler and lighter, while
> XWiki seems to be bigger but with larger user community with richer
> feature set.
>
> I have not dealt with Radeox.
>
> In regardless, I think one of the main attraction and good feature of
> any wiki should provide is API set to easily add different set of
> syntax parser. As we already know almost every engine out there has
> it's own syntax rules. Been able to a most popular rule like in
> Confluence etc, will allow user to migrate easily.
>
> -Zemian
>
> On 10/19/07, Peter Thomas <ptrthomas@...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Appreciate your interest and I completely agree that Wiki + Subversion is a
> > must.
> >
> > JTrac development has admittedly slowed down over the last 2-3 months.  Some
> > patches have started to come in though and we hope to have development in
> > full-swing very soon.  (Day-job kinda getting in the way).  Honestly never
> > expected that something that sounds as simple as an issue-tracker would have
> > so many layers to it :)
> >
> > Any ideas on the wiki-engine to embed would be welcome.  I was thinking of
> > Radeox, bit about it here:
> >
> > http://stephan.reposita.org/archives/2007/08/20/forking-radeox-a-new-wiki-render-engine/
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Peter.
> >
> >
> > On 10/19/07, thebugslayer <thebugslayer@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Peter,
> > >
> > > I really like to see jTrac providing similar features that
> > > Trac(python) provides. Wiki+Issues+Subversion are just a must have,
> > > attractive combo for any project management. I would trade war
> > > deployment vs TracInstall anytime.
> > >
> > > Any news as to jTrac's future roadmap and release?
> > >
> > > --
> > > theBUGslayer
> > >
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Re: future roadmap

by Saurb :: Rate this Message:

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We have been using JTrac in our organization for over six months now with
encouraging results. I badly needed some of the new features introduced in
2.1. Unfortunately we could not migrate to 2.1 Beta due to bugs with the
related item functionality!

With the limited set of developers actively working on JTrac, we should
concentrate on core features/bugs fixes rather than trying to build add-on
features like a Wiki engine. WiKi is not an essential component of issue
tracking. My personal opinion is that we should be able to figure out ways
to integrate best of breed open source WiKis with JTrac rather than spending
time trying to embed a WiKi within JTrac.

I think interfacing with third party products (LDAP support, Subversion
integration, etc.) will add more value that trying to embed them within
JTrac.

We also migrated to Subversion (from VSS) recently. Here is how Jtrac can
integrate with Subversion:

1. TortoiseSVN client can be easily configured to prompt for a JTrac ID when
checking in changes to the Subversion repository. With friendly URLs in
JTrac 2.1, we can easily configure Tortoise to create a hyperlink to the
JTrac item ID from the Subversion commit log.

2. Programmatically add a history record in Jtrac from a Subversion post
commit trigger with the list of files that were checked in for a particular
jTrac task. We use https to access Subversion. So we can easily link to a
file in Subversion with a URL in Jtrac comment text. We will need JTrac to
support HTML tags for this.


Thanks,
Saurabh




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Subject: Re: [jtrac-users] future roadmap

Peter,

I have used VQWiki and XWiki (just as end user though) and they both
are ready to use out of the box. VQWiki is simpler and lighter, while
XWiki seems to be bigger but with larger user community with richer
feature set.

I have not dealt with Radeox.

In regardless, I think one of the main attraction and good feature of
any wiki should provide is API set to easily add different set of
syntax parser. As we already know almost every engine out there has
it's own syntax rules. Been able to a most popular rule like in
Confluence etc, will allow user to migrate easily.

-Zemian

On 10/19/07, Peter Thomas <ptrthomas@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Appreciate your interest and I completely agree that Wiki + Subversion is
a
> must.
>
> JTrac development has admittedly slowed down over the last 2-3 months.
Some
> patches have started to come in though and we hope to have development in
> full-swing very soon.  (Day-job kinda getting in the way).  Honestly never
> expected that something that sounds as simple as an issue-tracker would
have
> so many layers to it :)
>
> Any ideas on the wiki-engine to embed would be welcome.  I was thinking of
> Radeox, bit about it here:
>
>
http://stephan.reposita.org/archives/2007/08/20/forking-radeox-a-new-wiki-re
nder-engine/

>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter.
>
>
> On 10/19/07, thebugslayer <thebugslayer@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > I really like to see jTrac providing similar features that
> > Trac(python) provides. Wiki+Issues+Subversion are just a must have,
> > attractive combo for any project management. I would trade war
> > deployment vs TracInstall anytime.
> >
> > Any news as to jTrac's future roadmap and release?
> >
> > --
> > theBUGslayer
> >
> >
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Re: future roadmap

by rafaeluchoa :: Rate this Message:

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Saurabh Banerjee escreveu:
> We have been using JTrac in our organization for over six months now with
> encouraging results. I badly needed some of the new features introduced in
> 2.1. Unfortunately we could not migrate to 2.1 Beta due to bugs with the
> related item functionality!
>  
Me too.

> With the limited set of developers actively working on JTrac, we should
> concentrate on core features/bugs fixes rather than trying to build add-on
> features like a Wiki engine. WiKi is not an essential component of issue
> tracking. My personal opinion is that we should be able to figure out ways
> to integrate best of breed open source WiKis with JTrac rather than spending
> time trying to embed a WiKi within JTrac.
>
> I think interfacing with third party products (LDAP support, Subversion
> integration, etc.) will add more value that trying to embed them within
> JTrac.
>  
Reinforcing what the Saurabh say, a search engine to gerenate reports
more significants will be essential.

> We also migrated to Subversion (from VSS) recently. Here is how Jtrac can
> integrate with Subversion:
>
> 1. TortoiseSVN client can be easily configured to prompt for a JTrac ID when
> checking in changes to the Subversion repository. With friendly URLs in
> JTrac 2.1, we can easily configure Tortoise to create a hyperlink to the
> JTrac item ID from the Subversion commit log.
>
> 2. Programmatically add a history record in Jtrac from a Subversion post
> commit trigger with the list of files that were checked in for a particular
> jTrac task. We use https to access Subversion. So we can easily link to a
> file in Subversion with a URL in Jtrac comment text. We will need JTrac to
> support HTML tags for this.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Saurabh
>
>
>
>  


               
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Re: future roadmap

by TimP-3 :: Rate this Message:

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Staffan Olsson wrote on 20 October 2007 07:25:

> Hi,
>
> I agree that every development project needs a documentation system
> that developers can update swiftly and as a community. However I must
> add to the debate that when I chose jTrac, one reason was that it is
> only an issue tracker. A documentation system is a different project.
> It may be the same developers and the same frameworks, but I can't see
> a reson for releasing them together. For a reason not to: look at the
> complexity of the Trac project.
>
> Features like bookmarkable URLs, single sign-on and XML/JSON services
> would allow integration with any documentation system. I personally
> prefer html documents in the svn repository and an option to edit
> online using tinymce or wymeditor.
>
> /Staffan

It seems to me that it is crucial to have sensible, persistent, human
readable urls.

My jtrac urls are currently of the form

http://192.168.2.87:8080/app/item/VMS-69/

These urls lead to an internal error if you are not logged in.
(Error should not be hidden from user as it currently is).

What should be happening is
a login challenge and then passing through to the requested url when
authorised.

It seems that the app element of the url does not contribute anything.

The url scheme I am most familiar with is:

<host>/<db name>/<table name>/<record identifier>/<action>

I am very much in agreement that jtrac should not try to become a complete
documentation system.
It should however have documented examples of it integrating nicely with
other products.

just my 2p
TimP





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