games/adventure

[Paul Goyette]

Many many years ago, I remember playing a variant of this game that had
a few extra "features" that the current game doesn't have.  For example,
there was a "Puzzle Room" where you had to push to move the walls around
in order to find an extra treasure as well as finding the exit.  And
there was a much more complex End Game.

Does anyone else remember this extended variation?  Or better, does
anyone happen to have a copy of the sources for it?  (Even if they're
just original Fortan sources...)

:)


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[Rhialto]

On Wed 18 Nov 2009 at 20:29:39 -0800, Paul Goyette wrote:
> Does anyone else remember this extended variation?  Or better, does  
> anyone happen to have a copy of the sources for it?  (Even if they're  
> just original Fortan sources...)

Maybe it is here? http://www.ifarchive.org/if-archive/games/source/

-Olaf.
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[Johnny Billquist-4]

Paul Goyette wrote:

> Many many years ago, I remember playing a variant of this game that had
> a few extra "features" that the current game doesn't have.  For example,
> there was a "Puzzle Room" where you had to push to move the walls around
> in order to find an extra treasure as well as finding the exit.  And
> there was a much more complex End Game.
>
> Does anyone else remember this extended variation?  Or better, does
> anyone happen to have a copy of the sources for it?  (Even if they're
> just original Fortan sources...)
>
> :)

You are describing DUNGEON, which is another game than ADVENTURE.

You should be able to find it, if you search around.

DUNGEON was also the genesis of the ZORK triology, and the inception of
Infocom.
Actally, DUNGEON was initially called ZORK, and was written in MDL. A
person at DEC then did a reimplementation in FORTRAN, and called that
version DUNGEON. A translation from FORTRAN to C exist, as well as a
translation of the original MDL code into Inform.

If you want to just play it, contact me and I'll point you at machines
where you can log in and just play.

        Johnny

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[Paul Goyette]

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, Rhialto wrote:

>> Does anyone else remember this extended variation?  Or better, does
>> anyone happen to have a copy of the sources for it?  (Even if they're
>> just original Fortan sources...)
>
> Maybe it is here? http://www.ifarchive.org/if-archive/games/source/

Well, there are enough varsions and variations of adventure there!  I
would guess that if it is not there, it no longer exists.  :)

Thanks for the pointer.


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[Johnny Billquist-4]

I hope you saw my response that your memory is playing with you. The
puzzles and scenarios you describe aren't in adventure at all, but
another (but rather similar) game from about the same era... Called ZORK
or DUNGEON, depending on which version you stumbled on (the ZORK was on
PDP-10 systems only, though, unless you count the ZORK trilology for
home computers).

        Johnny

Paul Goyette wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, Rhialto wrote:
>
>>> Does anyone else remember this extended variation?  Or better, does
>>> anyone happen to have a copy of the sources for it?  (Even if they're
>>> just original Fortan sources...)
>>
>> Maybe it is here? http://www.ifarchive.org/if-archive/games/source/
>
> Well, there are enough varsions and variations of adventure there!  I
> would guess that if it is not there, it no longer exists.  :)
>
> Thanks for the pointer.
>
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[Paul Goyette]

Yep, saw your response, too.  Having browsed through various sources at
the site Rhialto pointed to, I can definitely confirm that you are
correct - the game I was playing was actually dungeon.  (I did say that
it had been "many many years" since I'd played, so a small lapse of the
memory cells can perhaps be excused?)

Thanks to both of you for the quick replies!


On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, Johnny Billquist wrote:

> I hope you saw my response that your memory is playing with you. The puzzles
> and scenarios you describe aren't in adventure at all, but another (but
> rather similar) game from about the same era... Called ZORK or DUNGEON,
> depending on which version you stumbled on (the ZORK was on PDP-10 systems
> only, though, unless you count the ZORK trilology for home computers).
>
> Johnny
>
> Paul Goyette wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, Rhialto wrote:
>>
>>>> Does anyone else remember this extended variation?  Or better, does
>>>> anyone happen to have a copy of the sources for it?  (Even if they're
>>>> just original Fortan sources...)
>>>
>>> Maybe it is here? http://www.ifarchive.org/if-archive/games/source/
>>
>> Well, there are enough varsions and variations of adventure there!  I would
>> guess that if it is not there, it no longer exists.  :)
>>
>> Thanks for the pointer.
>>
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[Havard Eidnes]

> Yep, saw your response, too.  Having browsed through various sources at
> the site Rhialto pointed to, I can definitely confirm that you are
> correct - the game I was playing was actually dungeon.  (I did say that
> it had been "many many years" since I'd played, so a small lapse of the
> memory cells can perhaps be excused?)

Hey, I've ported that code (dungeon, that is) before, to an old
Norwegian-built 16-bit mini :)

Regards,

- Håvard

[Steven Bellovin]

On Nov 19, 2009, at 10:39 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:

> I hope you saw my response that your memory is playing with you. The puzzles and scenarios you describe aren't in adventure at all, but another (but rather similar) game from about the same era... Called ZORK or DUNGEON, depending on which version you stumbled on (the ZORK was on PDP-10 systems only, though, unless you count the ZORK trilology for home computers).

I'm fairly certain I was playing it on 4.2[12]bsd on the Vax.

Btw -- look at pkgsrc/games/frotz


                --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

[Johnny Billquist-4]

Steven Bellovin wrote:
> On Nov 19, 2009, at 10:39 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>
>> I hope you saw my response that your memory is playing with you. The puzzles and scenarios you describe aren't in adventure at all, but another (but rather similar) game from about the same era... Called ZORK or DUNGEON, depending on which version you stumbled on (the ZORK was on PDP-10 systems only, though, unless you count the ZORK trilology for home computers).
>
> I'm fairly certain I was playing it on 4.2[12]bsd on the Vax.

Yes. That would have been DUNGEON then. There is both the "original"
FORTRAN version, and a c translation of it.
The ZORK original was written in MDL, which you'll only find on TOPS-20,
I think.

> Btw -- look at pkgsrc/games/frotz

Indeed. :-)

        Johnny

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[Paul Goyette]

BTW, I ran into a C-port of the dungeon-3.2B code

  Translated and ported by Andrew Plotkin <erkyrath@...>

This port is closely integrated with the author's own "Glk API" (not
sure what it stands for).

There are multiple GLK libraries available fro the author's website, but
the "terminal window" library seems to be 32-bit centric (makes explicit
and shameless assumptions that a pointer can fit into a 32-bit integer,
for example).  A "cheapglk" library works, but ends up ignoring the
width of the user's terminal; text ouptut longer than one line just gets
run-on into the next line, ignoring natural line-breaks, etc.

Other than this Glk thing, it was fairly trivial to get Andrew's C code
to compile and actually run!

I'll be happy to make it available to anyone who wants to play.  And in
my spare time I'll see if I can make it into a real package, and maybe
even fix up the glkterm issues to work on 64-bit machines.  :)



On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, Paul Goyette wrote:

> Yep, saw your response, too.  Having browsed through various sources at the
> site Rhialto pointed to, I can definitely confirm that you are correct - the
> game I was playing was actually dungeon.  (I did say that it had been "many
> many years" since I'd played, so a small lapse of the memory cells can
> perhaps be excused?)
>
> Thanks to both of you for the quick replies!
>
>
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>
>> I hope you saw my response that your memory is playing with you. The
>> puzzles and scenarios you describe aren't in adventure at all, but another
>> (but rather similar) game from about the same era... Called ZORK or
>> DUNGEON, depending on which version you stumbled on (the ZORK was on PDP-10
>> systems only, though, unless you count the ZORK trilology for home
>> computers).
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>> Paul Goyette wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, Rhialto wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Does anyone else remember this extended variation?  Or better, does
>>>>> anyone happen to have a copy of the sources for it?  (Even if they're
>>>>> just original Fortan sources...)
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it is here? http://www.ifarchive.org/if-archive/games/source/
>>>
>>> Well, there are enough varsions and variations of adventure there!  I
>>> would guess that if it is not there, it no longer exists.  :)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the pointer.
>>>
>>>
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[Paul Goyette]

OK, I finished cleaning things up!

I have created a dungeon-3.2b package for everyone to try out.  I have
only used it on port-amd64 systems, and I have not yet tried saving or
restoring a game.  But basic operations seem to work.

The attached .tgz file can be unpacked in .../pkgsrc/games/  Then just
cd to .../pkgsrc/games/dungeon and 'make install'

I'll probably commit this to pkgsrc in another week or so, to give folks
some time to report successes or failures.

Enjoy the Great Underground Empire!



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[Johnny Billquist-4]

Just tested it on

NetBSD Junk.BQTnet.SE 3.99.8 NetBSD 3.99.8 (Junk) #0: Fri Nov  4
01:22:11 CET 2005
root@...:/usr/obj/sys/arch/i386/compile/Junk i386

Seems to work fine.

        Johnny

Paul Goyette wrote:

> OK, I finished cleaning things up!
>
> I have created a dungeon-3.2b package for everyone to try out.  I have
> only used it on port-amd64 systems, and I have not yet tried saving or
> restoring a game.  But basic operations seem to work.
>
> The attached .tgz file can be unpacked in .../pkgsrc/games/  Then just
> cd to .../pkgsrc/games/dungeon and 'make install'
>
> I'll probably commit this to pkgsrc in another week or so, to give folks
> some time to report successes or failures.
>
> Enjoy the Great Underground Empire!
>
>
>
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