geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?

[Jay-93]

ANECDOTALLY, network driver geom times out under
moderate steady load on a Sun Blade 150 within an hour of use.
(as in network stops working, everything else is ok, and
dmesg says "geom0: device timeout" about every 30 seconds; and
reboot fixes it)

Haven't seen the problem yet under Linux.
Have seen it multiple times under OpenBSD 4.2.

The machine was able to be up for days no problem busy with cd
/usr/ports/x11/kde
&& sudo make, so generally all else is well.

I will try 4.3 soon.

I know this is poor problem report. It's about all I have.
I can do my work equally well for now under any BSD or Linux so punting is ok
for me.
(I'm porting some stuff to all of OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD, Linux.)

lspci from Linux:

s00:00.0 Host bridge: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. Psycho UPA-PCI Bus
Module [pcipsy]
00:03.0 Non-VGA unclassified device: ALi Corporation M7101 Power Management
Controller [PMU]
00:05.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 21152 PCI-to-PCI Bridge
00:07.0 ISA bridge: ALi Corporation M1533/M1535 PCI to ISA Bridge [Aladdin
IV/V/V+]
00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link
Controller Audio Device (rev 01)
00:0c.0 Bridge: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. RIO EBUS (rev 01)
00:0c.1 Ethernet controller: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. RIO 10/100
Ethernet [eri] (rev 01)
00:0c.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. RIO 1394 (rev
01)
00:0c.3 USB Controller: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. RIO USB (rev 01)
00:0d.0 IDE interface: ALi Corporation M5229 IDE (rev c3)
00:13.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL (rev 27)
01:00.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 21152 PCI-to-PCI Bridge
02:01.0 Bridge: Xerox Corporation Unknown device 0017
02:04.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments PCILynx/PCILynx2 IEEE 1394
Link Layer Controller (rev 04)

I assume Linux dmesg isn't interesting, and I can send OpenBSD dmesg if it
matters.

Fuller disclosure: The first install I saw this on I had partly done cd
/usr/src && make, it failed eventually not knowing some size,
I didn't know you had to build the kernel first. Anyway, I reinstalled, didn't
rebuild any of OpenBSD that time,
same behavior.

Fuller disclosure: hardware bought used on eBay, can't really be vouched for.
But Linux isn't having the problem.

Sound at all familiar?

Thanks,
 - Jay

[Sevan / Venture37]

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[Jay-93]

I have no idea. OBP = "on board PROM"?

I'll research this, but not right away.

Anecdotally, Linux is running well, been up for a few days, with the same sort
of scenarios I was attempting in OpenBSD, just  a bunch of
ssh/scp/cvs/gcc/ld.

Is it possible OpenBSD is sensitive to having the latest OBP and Linux is
not?
   Yes.

Is it possible for OpenBSD to lose this sensitivity and work as well as Linux,
in this regard?
  (Far be it for me to suggest that OpenBSD does not work better than Linux in
general. I do appreciate the OpenBSD attitude, like the web page with reasons
to build your own kernel, every single reason starts with the same
discouragement. :) )
In this case, Linux == Ubuntu 7.10.

Thanks,
 - Jay



> From: venture37@...> To: jayk123@...; misc@...>
Subject: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> Date: Sun, 11 May
2008 17:54:25 +0100> > > Are you running the latest version of OBP on the
system?> _________________________________________________________________> >
All new Live Search at Live.com> >
http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/

[Jay-93]

I'm porting some oddball software, and trying to get "every" platform, if I
have hardware, and getting more hardware (but not a lot).
So, regarding SPARC, my quick understanding is that:
 OpenBSD has separate "pure" SPARC and SPARC64.
 On SPARC64, gcc accepts -m32 and -m64 (I think),
  defaults to -m64, usermode is "all" 64bit.
 Linux has just SPARC, runs on either hardware, usermode is   mostly 32bit,
gcc accepts -m32 and -m64, defaults to -m32.
 So now, I'm going to have roughly the following ports:    SPARC32_LINUX
(already working)    SPARC64_LINUX     SPARC32_OPENBSD     SPARC64_OPENBSD
(and more NetBSD, OpenBSD, etc.)
In the Linux case, this is two sets of binaries that run on one OS.Folks might
chose 32 perhaps for size or speed or interop withcode that hasn't been ported
to 64, whatever.
So my question then is...well, you see, I only have SPARC64 hardwareand am
unlikely to install SPARC32, though maybe.More so, I'm unlikely to acquire
SPARC32 hardware, unless SPARC64can run SPARC32?
So my question is, do OpenBSD/sparc binaries run on OpenBSD/sparc64?Do
binaries built on OpenBSD/sparc64 with -m32 run on OpenBSD/sparc?And are they
the same?
That is, if I wanted a complete matrix, is:   SPARC32_OPENBSD
SPARC64_OPENBSD
complete, or is there really    SPARC32on32_OPENBSD    SPARC32on64_OPENBSD
SPARC64_OPENBSD
or even more? (64 on 32?)
  http://www.openbsd.org/sparc.html   http://www.openbsd.org/sparc64.html
 appear to list different machines, so that answers part of my question.
sparc won't run on my sparc64 machine.
 If SPARC32 == SPARC32on64, I'll just do those two.  If SPARC32 !=
SPARC32on64, I'll probably just do SPARC64.
Thanks, - Jay

[Jay K-3]

Sorry, http://archive.openbsd.nu/?ml=openbsd-misc&a=2008-05&m=7350623
shows all the newlines removed...

I'll see if I can edit below to fix....

  - Jay




From: jayk123@...: misc@...: SPARC32 ==
SPARC32on64?Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 22:49:20 +0000


  I'm porting some oddball software, and trying to      get "every" platform,
if I have hardware,      and getting more hardware (but not a lot).
         So, regarding SPARC, my quick understanding is that:       OpenBSD
has separate "pure" SPARC and SPARC64.        On SPARC64, gcc accepts -m32 and
-m64 (I think),        defaults to -m64, usermode is "all" 64bit.       Linux
has just SPARC, runs on either hardware, usermode is         mostly 32bit, gcc
accepts -m32 and -m64, defaults to -m32.       So now, I'm going to have
roughly the following ports:          SPARC32_LINUX (already working)
SPARC64_LINUX           SPARC32_OPENBSD           SPARC64_OPENBSD
(and more NetBSD, OpenBSD, etc.)       In the Linux case, this is two sets of
binaries that run on one OS.      Folks might chose 32 perhaps for size or
speed or interop with      code that hasn't been ported to 64, whatever.
So my question then is...well, you see, I only have SPARC64 hardware      and
am unlikely to install SPARC32, though maybe.      More so, I'm unlikely to
acquire SPARC32 hardware, unless SPARC64      can run SPARC32?         So my
question is, do OpenBSD/sparc binaries run on OpenBSD/sparc64?      Do
binaries built on OpenBSD/sparc64 with -m32 run on OpenBSD/sparc?      And are
they the same?      That is, if I wanted a complete matrix, is:
SPARC32_OPENBSD          SPARC64_OPENBSD       complete, or is there really
SPARC32on32_OPENBSD          SPARC32on64_OPENBSD          SPARC64_OPENBSD
or even more? (64 on 32?)        http://www.openbsd.org/sparc.html
http://www.openbsd.org/sparc64.html        appear to list different machines,
so that answers part of my question.        sparc won't run on my sparc64
machine.        If SPARC32 == SPARC32on64, I'll just do those two.        If
SPARC32 != SPARC32on64, I'll probably just do SPARC64.       Thanks,       -
Jay

[Nick Holland]

Jay wrote:

> I'm porting some oddball software, and trying to get "every" platform, if I
> have hardware, and getting more hardware (but not a lot).
> So, regarding SPARC, my quick understanding is that:
>  OpenBSD has separate "pure" SPARC and SPARC64.
>  On SPARC64, gcc accepts -m32 and -m64 (I think),
>   defaults to -m64, usermode is "all" 64bit.
>  Linux has just SPARC, runs on either hardware, usermode is   mostly 32bit,
> gcc accepts -m32 and -m64, defaults to -m32.
>  So now, I'm going to have roughly the following ports:    SPARC32_LINUX
> (already working)    SPARC64_LINUX     SPARC32_OPENBSD     SPARC64_OPENBSD
> (and more NetBSD, OpenBSD, etc.)
> In the Linux case, this is two sets of binaries that run on one OS.Folks might
> chose 32 perhaps for size or speed or interop withcode that hasn't been ported
> to 64, whatever.
> So my question then is...well, you see, I only have SPARC64 hardwareand am
> unlikely to install SPARC32, though maybe.More so, I'm unlikely to acquire
> SPARC32 hardware, unless SPARC64can run SPARC32?
> So my question is, do OpenBSD/sparc binaries run on OpenBSD/sparc64?

...

On OpenBSD, OpenBSD/sparc and OpenBSD/sparc64 are treated as two
totally different platforms, with no processor or binary compatibility.

As for cross compiling..it is completely up to you to test the ability
of the (imperfect) compiler tools to do what you want.

Nick.

[Sevan / Venture37]

> I have no idea. OBP = "on board PROM"?

nearly
OpenBoot Prom
http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/advsearch.do?collection=PATCH&type=collections
&queryKey5=119235&toDocument=yes
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[Jay-93]

I gets a little more interesting..Linux/sparc was working fine for a few
days.Now it seems, merely plugging this machine into the network makes
thenetwork barely work -- very slow, connections dropped. Even ifI'm just
sitting in various installers. Plugging in the wired on board ethernet.
apt-get upgrade left Linux failing to boot.Solaris 9 install fails very early,
something about newfs failing.I really tried a bunch of manual parameters,
besides that itis run automatically.I think 10 is in the mail. (I have 10
onDVD but so far only a CD drive on the machine).
I think it's something about the disklabel/partition left by  either OpenBSD
or Linux.
I'm not sure how to get the OBP to the machine, since I can't install Solaris.
Not sure the others will do. Let alone the possible need to open it up to
enable writing.
So, anyway, for now, I have wireless working and am back in OpenBSD.It's a
little unfortunate because the Linux stuff was about a third done, now I'll
try to complete OpenBSD before going back to Linux to finish.
I was surprised how easy wireless was to get working.Granted I had to use the
command line and read the man page, butgiven that, not bad. I'm going to try
no X on the machine, just ssh. :)Of course, all my file editing will be on
Windows and I'll scp files over.Or maybe try NFS or Samba..

Oh, and the OBP is definitely out of date.
It's like version 4.6.5 from 2002, when they are up to like 4.10 or so fro
2005.

Oh, also, a little complaint about OpenBSD installer.
Solaris 9 installer pushes you to have swap first.
So then with that in mind, i did that for OpenBSD.
But OpenBSD defaults to installing to the first partition, and doesn't
let you change that, so with 512meg, 10gig / after it, setup runs
out of room installing to swap. Fixed by taking the default disklabel
and using a for add and going more with its defaults, instead of what
Solaris wanted. For once, I want more manual override..or for
setup to notice..and maybe guess there isn't enough space...
 - Jay
$ dmesgconsole is keyboard/displayCopyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
The Regents of the University of California.  All rights reserved.Copyright
(c) 1995-2007 OpenBSD. All rights reserved.  http://www.OpenBSD.org
OpenBSD 4.2 (GENERIC) #1427: Tue Aug 28 10:46:40 MDT 2007
deraadt@...:/usr/src/sys/arch/sparc64/compile/GENERICreal mem
= 536870912 (512MB)avail mem = 507289600 (483MB)mainbus0 at root: Sun Blade
150 (UltraSPARC-IIe 650MHz)cpu0 at mainbus0: SUNW,UltraSPARC-IIe (rev 3.3) @
650 MHz, version 0 FPUcpu0: physical 16K instruction (32 b/l), 16K data (32
b/l), 512K external (64 b/l)psycho0 at mainbus0: pci108e,a001, impl 0, version
0, ign 7c0psycho0: bus range 0-2, PCI bus 0psycho0: dvma map
c0000000-dfffffff, iotdb 962000-9e2000pci0 at psycho0ebus0 at pci0 dev 12
function 0 "Sun RIO EBus" rev 0x01"flashprom" at ebus0 addr 0-fffff not
configuredclock1 at ebus0 addr 0-1fff: mk48t59ebus1 at pci0 dev 7 function 0
"Acer Labs M1533 ISA" rev 0x00"dma" at ebus1 addr 0-ffff ipl 42 not
configuredpower0 at ebus1 addr 800-82f ipl 32com0 at ebus1 addr 3f8-3ff ipl
43: ns16550a, 16 byte fifocom1 at ebus1 addr 2e8-2ef ipl 43: ns16550a, 16 byte
fifogem0 at pci0 dev 12 function 1 "Sun ERI Ether" rev 0x01: ivec 0x7c6,
address 00:03:ba:2b:8f:49ukphy0 at gem0 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media
interface, rev. 1: OUI 0x0010dd, model 0x0002"Sun FireWire" rev 0x01 at pci0
dev 12 function 2 not configuredohci0 at pci0 dev 12 function 3 "Sun USB" rev
0x01: ivec 0x7e4, version 1.0, legacy support"Acer Labs M7101 Power" rev 0x00
at pci0 dev 3 function 0 not configuredautri0 at pci0 dev 8 function 0 "Acer
Labs M5451 Audio" rev 0x01: ivec 0x7e3ac97: codec id 0x41445348 (Analog
Devices AD1881A)ac97: codec features headphone, Analog Devices Phat
Stereoaudio0 at autri0midi0 at autri0: <4DWAVE MIDI UART>pciide0 at pci0 dev
13 function 0 "Acer Labs M5229 UDMA IDE" rev 0xc3: DMA, channel 0 configured
to native-PCI, channel 1 configured to native-PCIpciide0: using ivec 0x7cc for
native-PCI interruptwd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: <ST340016A>wd0:
16-sector PIO, LBA, 38166MB, 78165360 sectorsatapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0
drive 1scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targetscd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: <LITEON,
CD-ROM LTN486S, Y3S2> SCSI0 5/cdrom removablewd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode
4, Ultra-DMA mode 2cd0(pciide0:0:1): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode
2pciide0: channel 1 disabled (no drives)ppb0 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 "Intel
S21152BB PCI-PCI" rev 0x00pci1 at ppb0 bus 1ppb1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0
"Intel S21152BB PCI-PCI" rev 0x00pci2 at ppb1 bus 2unknown vendor 0x10c5
product 0x0017 (class bridge subclass miscellaneous, rev 0x00) at pci2 dev 1
function 0 not configured"TI TSB12LV21 FireWire" rev 0x04 at pci2 dev 4
function 0 not configuredvgafb0 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 "ATI Rage XL" rev
0x27wsdisplay0 at vgafb0: console (std, sun emulation)usb0 at ohci0: USB
revision 1.0uhub0 at usb0: Sun OHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1"pcons" at
mainbus0 not configuredrum0 at uhub0 port 1rum0: Ralink 802.11 bg WLAN, rev
2.00/0.01, addr 2rum0: MAC/BBP RT2573 (rev 0x2573a), RF RT2528, address
00:17:9a:c3:84:c1uhidev0 at uhub0 port 4 configuration 1 interface 0uhidev0:
Sun Microsystems Type 6 Keyboard, rev 1.10/2.00, addr 3, iclass 3/1ukbd0 at
uhidev0: 8 modifier keys, 6 key codes, layout 33wskbd0 at ukbd0: console
keyboard, using wsdisplay0bootpath: /pci@1f,0/ide@d,0/disk@0,0root on wd0a
swap on wd0b dump on wd0b


From: jayk123@...: venture37@...; misc@...:
RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 22:31:42
+0000


I have no idea. OBP = "on board PROM"? I'll research this, but not right away.
Anecdotally, Linux is running well, been up for a few days, with the same sort
of scenarios I was attempting in OpenBSD, just  a bunch of ssh/scp/cvs/gcc/ld.
Is it possible OpenBSD is sensitive to having the latest OBP and Linux is not?
Yes. Is it possible for OpenBSD to lose this sensitivity and work as well as
Linux, in this regard?  (Far be it for me to suggest that OpenBSD does not
work better than Linux in general. I do appreciate the OpenBSD attitude, like
the web page with reasons to build your own kernel, every single reason starts
with the same discouragement. :) )In this case, Linux == Ubuntu 7.10. Thanks,
- Jay

> From: venture37@...> To: jayk123@...; misc@...>
Subject: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> Date: Sun, 11 May
2008 17:54:25 +0100> > > Are you running the latest version of OBP on the
system?> _________________________________________________________________> >
All new Live Search at Live.com> >
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[Jay-93]

My OBP is definitely out of date, but I haven't yet been able to fix that.
I'm not sure if it requires installing Solaris (which file systems can OB
access?), which I've been unable to do, and I'm not sure if it requires
cracking open the machine, which I am reluctant to do, but might do.

Someone did tell me they see this in "current", however I finally noticed this
promising note:

http://www.openbsd.org/plus43.html
Changes made between OpenBSD 4.2 and OpenBSD 4.3:  >> Fixed watchdog timeouts
on gem(4).

Wireless is working surprisingly well, and my 4.3 CDs are en route. :)

 - Jay
[.... snip ..]




> From: venture37@...> To: jayk123@...; misc@...>
Subject: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> Date: Sun, 11 May
2008 17:54:25 +0100> > > Are you running the latest version of OBP on the
system?> _________________________________________________________________

[Sevan / Venture37]

> apt-get upgrade left Linux failing to boot.
> Solaris 9 install fails very early, something about newfs failing.
> I really tried a bunch of manual parameters, besides that it
> is run automatically.I think 10 is in the mail. (I have 10 on
> DVD but so far only a CD drive on the machine).

if you mean the installer complains about disk failure then try this:
http://www.geeklan.co.uk/?p=61

otherwise I'd highly recommend you upgrade the OBP!


Sevan / Venture37
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[Jay-93]

I don't think that is it, but I will try, thank you.
I'm pretty sure the label that OpenBSD and/or Ubuntu left me with
is a Solaris type.
And dumb me, I didn't consider OBP as helping the install too.
So the questions remain if I can install OBP without Solaris, and if I'll have
to crack open the case.
I'll see...

The error from setup is like "newfs failed".
If I run newfs manually, ALMOST no matter I try, it always seems to tell me my
numbers are wrong.
I've tried various -f and -i values. But I did find some that worked, but then
I guess setup
still wants to re-newfs it and gets it wrong. Setup doesn't show the whole
message but
I assume it is using the wrong numbers or something.


Thanks,
 - Jay



> From: venture37@...> To: jayk123@...; misc@...>
Subject: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> Date: Thu, 15 May
2008 01:40:00 +0100> > > > > apt-get upgrade left Linux failing to boot.> >
Solaris 9 install fails very early, something about newfs failing.> > I really
tried a bunch of manual parameters, besides that it> > is run automatically.I
think 10 is in the mail. (I have 10 on> > DVD but so far only a CD drive on
the machine).> > if you mean the installer complains about disk failure then
try this:> http://www.geeklan.co.uk/?p=61> > otherwise I'd highly recommend
you upgrade the OBP!> > > Sevan / Venture37>
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[Sevan / Venture37]

> And dumb me, I didn't consider OBP as helping the install too.
> So the questions remain if I can install OBP without Solaris, and if I'll
have to crack open the case.
> I'll see...

From the OBP update page:
"Note 1: This utility is *not* OS-dependent.  The list of releases shown under
the
           "Solaris Release" and "SunOS Release" sections may not be complete:
The
           absence of a valid Solaris Release or SunOS  Release from the lists
above
           does not preclude the installation of this patch against the
hardware."



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[Bruce O'Neel-2]

Hi,

Sorry, that went only to Sevan.  Sorry Sevan.

You can netboot the OBP upgrade.  I've done it.  What I can't seem to do
is put my hands on how to do this right now.  I seem to remember that the key
is to get the right boot loader from ?solaris? maybe?

Note that this is not without some risk.  You probably want to play around
to make sure that the boot works well before trying the upgrade.

cheers

bruce



On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 07:59:48AM +0100, Sevan / Venture37 wrote:

> > And dumb me, I didn't consider OBP as helping the install too.
> > So the questions remain if I can install OBP without Solaris, and if I'll
> have to crack open the case.
> > I'll see...
>
> From the OBP update page:
> "Note 1: This utility is *not* OS-dependent.  The list of releases shown under
> the
>            "Solaris Release" and "SunOS Release" sections may not be complete:
> The
>            absence of a valid Solaris Release or SunOS  Release from the lists
> above
>            does not preclude the installation of this patch against the
> hardware."
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Be a Hero and Win with Iron Man
> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/

[Bruce O'Neel-2]

So, just as I say this, the page is at:

http://www.SMTPS.net/netboot_flash_obp.html

I did an Ultra 10 this way with no problems.  I may have done
an Ultra2 as well.

cheers

bruce

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 07:59:48AM +0100, Sevan /
Venture37
wrote:

> > And dumb me, I didn't consider OBP as helping the install too.
> > So the questions remain if I can install OBP without Solaris, and if I'll
> have to crack open the case.
> > I'll see...
>
> From the OBP update page:
> "Note 1: This utility is *not* OS-dependent.  The list of releases shown under
> the
>            "Solaris Release" and "SunOS Release" sections may not be complete:
> The
>            absence of a valid Solaris Release or SunOS  Release from the lists
> above
>            does not preclude the installation of this patch against the
> hardware."
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Be a Hero and Win with Iron Man
> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/

[Jay-93]

Awesome, thanks!
Normally I would have said "I have never netbooted; it seems too hard to
setup" but those look like great instructions.
And I was almost right in my paranoia about needing Solaris.
I still wonder though -- if OpenBSD's UFS is the same format as Solaris's, or
if OpenBSD can create a Solaris format of file system, then I think OpenBoot
can read the files. And if not, not. I think.
Mitigating factors:
  I got 4.3 in the mail that supposedly fixes this.
  The wireless networking is working fine.
  The OPB isn't even known to fix this, but hopefully.

But yeah, running old OBP/BIOS not great.

 - Jay



> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:21:46 +0200> From: openbsd@...> To:
venture37@...> CC: jayk123@...; misc@...> Subject: Re:
geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> > So, just as I say this, the
page is at:> > http://www.SMTPS.net/netboot_flash_obp.html> > I did an Ultra
10 this way with no problems. I may have done> an Ultra2 as well.> > cheers> >
bruce> > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 07:59:48AM +0100, Sevan / > Venture37 >
wrote:> > > And dumb me, I didn't consider OBP as helping the install too.> >
> So the questions remain if I can install OBP without Solaris, and if I'll> >
have to crack open the case.> > > I'll see...> > > > From the OBP update
page:> > "Note 1: This utility is *not* OS-dependent. The list of releases
shown under> > the> > "Solaris Release" and "SunOS Release" sections may not
be complete:> > The> > absence of a valid Solaris Release or SunOS Release
from the lists> > above> > does not preclude the installation of this patch
against the> > hardware."> > > > > > > >
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and Win with Iron Man> >
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[Jay-93]

well, of course OB can read the file system.It loads the kernel after all.The
instructions are encouraging:
OB> boot disk /flash-update
Cool, like, the flash-update is a kernel?Well, not that, but a program
runnable as if it is a kernel?
But it looks like "the OS", er, the OS installer, is between OB and the
kernel;Specifically there are some "boot blocks" installed by the OS, and the
OpenBSD ones don't recognize the file format of the flash-update.
Darn.
Maybe there is a way?
 - Jay


From: jayk123@...: openbsd@...; venture37@...:
misc@...: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?Date:
Fri, 16 May 2008 20:17:26 +0000


Awesome, thanks!Normally I would have said "I have never netbooted; it seems
too hard to setup" but those look like great instructions.And I was almost
right in my paranoia about needing Solaris.I still wonder though -- if
OpenBSD's UFS is the same format as Solaris's, or if OpenBSD can create a
Solaris format of file system, then I think OpenBoot can read the files. And
if not, not. I think.Mitigating factors:  I got 4.3 in the mail that
supposedly fixes this.  The wireless networking is working fine.  The OPB
isn't even known to fix this, but hopefully. But yeah, running old OBP/BIOS
not great.  - Jay

> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:21:46 +0200> From: openbsd@...> To:
venture37@...> CC: jayk123@...; misc@...> Subject: Re:
geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> > So, just as I say this, the
page is at:> > http://www.SMTPS.net/netboot_flash_obp.html> > I did an Ultra
10 this way with no problems. I may have done> an Ultra2 as well.> > cheers> >
bruce> > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 07:59:48AM +0100, Sevan / > Venture37 >
wrote:> > > And dumb me, I didn't consider OBP as helping the install too.> >
> So the questions remain if I can install OBP without Solaris, and if I'll> >
have to crack open the case.> > > I'll see...> > > > From the OBP update
page:> > "Note 1: This utility is *not* OS-dependent. The list of releases
shown under> > the> > "Solaris Release" and "SunOS Release" sections may not
be complete:> > The> > absence of a valid Solaris Release or SunOS Release
from the lists> > above> > does not preclude the installation of this patch
against the> > hardware."> > > > > > > >
_________________________________________________________________> > Be a Hero
and Win with Iron Man> >
http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/> >

[pedro la peu-2]

I have a Netra T1 that unexpectedly fell off the net. I think it was
alive but without working network. It was power cycled before I had a
chance to look at it. After the event I found this:

Apr 16 16:41:11 sun /bsd: gem0: device timeout
Apr 16 16:41:44 sun last message repeated 3 times
Apr 16 16:43:45 sun last message repeated 13 times
Apr 16 16:53:48 sun last message repeated 111 times
Apr 16 16:59:09 sun syslogd: start
Apr 16 16:59:09 sun /bsd: console is /pci@1f,0/pci@1,1/isa@7/serial@0,3f8

I am still waiting for it to do it again. If I had access to it I'd
update OBP not pontificate about boot loaders and file systems.

OpenBSD 4.3-current (GENERIC) #0: Fri Mar 28 19:16:20 GMT 2008
    pedro@...:/usr/src/sys/arch/sparc64/compile/GENERIC
real mem = 1073741824 (1024MB)
avail mem = 1027112960 (979MB)
mainbus0 at root: Netra T1 200 (UltraSPARC-IIe 500MHz)
cpu0 at mainbus0: SUNW,UltraSPARC-IIe (rev 1.4) @ 500 MHz
cpu0: physical 16K instruction (32 b/l), 16K data (32 b/l), 256K external (64 b/l)
psycho0 at mainbus0: SUNW,sabre, impl 0, version 0, ign 7c0
psycho0: bus range 0-2, PCI bus 0
psycho0: dvma map c0000000-dfffffff, iotdb 1278000-12f8000
pci0 at psycho0
ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 1 "Sun Simba PCI-PCI" rev 0x13
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
ebus0 at pci1 dev 12 function 0 "Sun RIO EBus" rev 0x01
"flashprom" at ebus0 addr 0-fffff not configured
clock1 at ebus0 addr 0-1fff: mk48t59
"SUNW,lomh" at ebus0 addr 200000-200003 ivec 0x2a not configured
alipm0 at pci1 dev 3 function 0 "Acer Labs M7101 Power" rev 0x00: 74KHz clock
iic0 at alipm0
"max1617" at alipm0 addr 0x18 skipped due to alipm0 bugs
spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x54: 256MB SDRAM registered ECC PC133CL2
spdmem1 at iic0 addr 0x55: 256MB SDRAM registered ECC PC133CL2
spdmem2 at iic0 addr 0x56: 512MB SDRAM registered ECC PC133CL2
ebus1 at pci1 dev 7 function 0 "Acer Labs M1533 ISA" rev 0x00
power0 at ebus1 addr 2000-2007 ivec 0x25
com0 at ebus1 addr 3f8-3ff ivec 0x2b: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
com0: console
com1 at ebus1 addr 2e8-2ef ivec 0x2b: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
gem0 at pci1 dev 12 function 1 "Sun ERI Ether" rev 0x01: ivec 0x7c6, address 00:03:ba:0a:37:ce
ukphy0 at gem0 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 1: OUI 0x0010dd, model 0x0002
ohci0 at pci1 dev 12 function 3 "Sun USB" rev 0x01: ivec 0x7e4, version 1.0, legacy support
pciide0 at pci1 dev 13 function 0 "Acer Labs M5229 UDMA IDE" rev 0xc3: DMA, channel 0 configured to native-PCI, channel 1 configured to native-PCI
pciide0: using ivec 0x7cc for native-PCI interrupt
pciide0: channel 0 disabled (no drives)
pciide0: channel 1 disabled (no drives)
gem1 at pci1 dev 5 function 1 "Sun ERI Ether" rev 0x01: ivec 0x7dc, address 00:03:ba:0a:37:cf
ukphy1 at gem1 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 1: OUI 0x0010dd, model 0x0002
ohci1 at pci1 dev 5 function 3 "Sun USB" rev 0x01: ivec 0x7e6, version 1.0, legacy support
usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0 at usb0 "Sun OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
usb1 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1 at usb1 "Sun OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
ppb1 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "Sun Simba PCI-PCI" rev 0x13
pci2 at ppb1 bus 2
siop0 at pci2 dev 8 function 0 "Symbios Logic 53c896" rev 0x07: ivec 0x7e0, using 8K of on-board RAM
scsibus0 at siop0: 16 targets
sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: <FUJITSU, MAJ3182M SUN18G, 0804> SCSI2 0/direct fixed
sd0: 17274MB, 7508 cyl, 19 head, 248 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 35378533 sec total
sd1 at scsibus0 targ 1 lun 0: <FUJITSU, MAJ3182M SUN18G, 0804> SCSI2 0/direct fixed
sd1: 17274MB, 7508 cyl, 19 head, 248 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 35378533 sec total
siop1 at pci2 dev 8 function 1 "Symbios Logic 53c896" rev 0x07: ivec 0x7e0, using 8K of on-board RAM
scsibus1 at siop1: 16 targets
softraid0 at root
siop0: target 0 now using tagged 16 bit 40.0 MHz 31 REQ/ACK offset xfers
siop0: target 1 now using tagged 16 bit 40.0 MHz 31 REQ/ACK offset xfers
bootpath: /pci@1f,0/pci@1,0/scsi@8,0/disk@0,0
root on sd0a swap on sd0b dump on sd0b
WARNING: / was not properly unmounted

[Bruce O'Neel-2]

Hi,

I was unable to get the obp upgrade to boot when put on a openbsd disk.  I guess,
but don't know for sure, that the sequence is:

- obp starts
- obp reads "something"
- something starts
- something reads the rest of the command line and reads the kernel.

This "something" doesn't read the obp upgrade.

If you compare the upgrade OBP with netboot to the diskless man page, the thing
loaded across the network via tftp when openbsd boots is ofwboot.net.  The thing
loaded with tftp is the actuall upgrade program of obp in that case.


cheers

bruce

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 09:03:40PM +0000, Jay wrote:

> well, of course OB can read the file system.It loads the kernel after all.The
> instructions are encouraging:
> OB> boot disk /flash-update
> Cool, like, the flash-update is a kernel?Well, not that, but a program
> runnable as if it is a kernel?
> But it looks like "the OS", er, the OS installer, is between OB and the
> kernel;Specifically there are some "boot blocks" installed by the OS, and the
> OpenBSD ones don't recognize the file format of the flash-update.
> Darn.
> Maybe there is a way?
>  - Jay
>
>
> From: jayk123@...: openbsd@...; venture37@...:
> misc@...: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?Date:
> Fri, 16 May 2008 20:17:26 +0000
>
>
> Awesome, thanks!Normally I would have said "I have never netbooted; it seems
> too hard to setup" but those look like great instructions.And I was almost
> right in my paranoia about needing Solaris.I still wonder though -- if
> OpenBSD's UFS is the same format as Solaris's, or if OpenBSD can create a
> Solaris format of file system, then I think OpenBoot can read the files. And
> if not, not. I think.Mitigating factors:  I got 4.3 in the mail that
> supposedly fixes this.  The wireless networking is working fine.  The OPB
> isn't even known to fix this, but hopefully. But yeah, running old OBP/BIOS
> not great.  - Jay
>
> > Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:21:46 +0200> From: openbsd@...> To:
> venture37@...> CC: jayk123@...; misc@...> Subject: Re:
> geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> > So, just as I say this, the
> page is at:> > http://www.SMTPS.net/netboot_flash_obp.html> > I did an Ultra
> 10 this way with no problems. I may have done> an Ultra2 as well.> > cheers> >
> bruce> > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 07:59:48AM +0100, Sevan / > Venture37 >
> wrote:> > > And dumb me, I didn't consider OBP as helping the install too.> >
> > So the questions remain if I can install OBP without Solaris, and if I'll> >
> have to crack open the case.> > > I'll see...> > > > From the OBP update
> page:> > "Note 1: This utility is *not* OS-dependent. The list of releases
> shown under> > the> > "Solaris Release" and "SunOS Release" sections may not
> be complete:> > The> > absence of a valid Solaris Release or SunOS Release
> from the lists> > above> > does not preclude the installation of this patch
> against the> > hardware."> > > > > > > >
> _________________________________________________________________> > Be a Hero
> and Win with Iron Man> >
> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/> >

[Jay-93]

Agreed. "something" is "boot blocks" and they are "installed" by "the OS".
The flash-update is a 32bit ELF file and I imagine the OpenBSD/sparc64 boot
blocks only like 64bit ELF.

(Per my other unrelated question -- I was wrong, OpenBSD/sparc64 is pure 64
bit, gcc -m32 doesn't "work" (from a certain point of view, yes I realize it
does exactly what it is meant to do, and it is arguably superior this way,
rather than open a can of worms as to just what is "the architecture" of "the
OS", some hard to pin down hybrid, or simply only SPARC64.)

It is probably possible and not difficult to temporarily install the Solaris
boot blocks (such as from the environment booting the Solaris install CD gives
you), boot the flash-update, and then put back the OpenBSD boot blocks. I
haven't really tried yet.

It might even be possible, like, to say boot cdrom /blahblah/ or boot floppy
/blahblahblah where /blahblahblah is, you know, normally just like bsd or
/update-flash, the kernel or the program to run, relative to the device, but
maybe you can use a "device path" there at the start and have the boot blocks
on one device read the "kernel" (or rather update-flash) from another device.

The flash-update is also 1.4something meg in size, which I thought therefore
might fit on a floppy and be bootable completely from there, but I didn't have
luck with that. The floppy drive wasn't working from OpenBSD and the floppy I
produced on NT doesn't work. The size is maybe just a coincidence, and heck
maybe I misread the number of digits, it was 14<something>. I was too lazy to
determine the actual value of 1.44meg -- LAZY of me, so easy to have done...

I'll experiment later. I blew away my Linux/macppc and started OpenBSD/macppc
install so I can try the netboot (which is something I want to try anyway). I
know those directions aren't specific to macppc, or even OpenBSD, but I have
no other OpenBSD machines currently, the Mac was a good candidate, and I might
as well not risk Linux or MacOSX varying in an area I'm not confident in.

btw, those instructions were good, but the man page looks quite good as well,
maybe identical.

Thanks again, I'll report back later (in case anyone cares..hey the mailing
list is "misc", not "dev-important".. :) )
 - Jay



> Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 09:42:20 +0200> From: openbsd@...> To:
jayk123@...> CC: venture37@...; misc@...> Subject: Re:
geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> > Hi,> > I was unable to get the
obp upgrade to boot when put on a openbsd disk. I guess,> but don't know for
sure, that the sequence is:> > - obp starts> - obp reads "something"> -
something starts> - something reads the rest of the command line and reads the
kernel.> > This "something" doesn't read the obp upgrade.> > If you compare
the upgrade OBP with netboot to the diskless man page, the thing> loaded
across the network via tftp when openbsd boots is ofwboot.net. The thing>
loaded with tftp is the actuall upgrade program of obp in that case.> > >
cheers> > bruce> > On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 09:03:40PM +0000, Jay wrote:> >
well, of course OB can read the file system.It loads the kernel after all.The>
> instructions are encouraging:> > OB> boot disk /flash-update> > Cool, like,
the flash-update is a kernel?Well, not that, but a program> > runnable as if
it is a kernel?> > But it looks like "the OS", er, the OS installer, is
between OB and the> > kernel;Specifically there are some "boot blocks"
installed by the OS, and the> > OpenBSD ones don't recognize the file format
of the flash-update.> > Darn.> > Maybe there is a way?> > - Jay> > > > > >
From: jayk123@...: openbsd@...; venture37@...:> >
misc@...: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?Date:>
> Fri, 16 May 2008 20:17:26 +0000> > > > > > Awesome, thanks!Normally I would
have said "I have never netbooted; it seems> > too hard to setup" but those
look like great instructions.And I was almost> > right in my paranoia about
needing Solaris.I still wonder though -- if> > OpenBSD's UFS is the same
format as Solaris's, or if OpenBSD can create a> > Solaris format of file
system, then I think OpenBoot can read the files. And> > if not, not. I
think.Mitigating factors: I got 4.3 in the mail that> > supposedly fixes this.
The wireless networking is working fine. The OPB> > isn't even known to fix
this, but hopefully. But yeah, running old OBP/BIOS> > not great. - Jay> > > >
> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:21:46 +0200> From: openbsd@...> To:> >
venture37@...> CC: jayk123@...; misc@...> Subject:
Re:> > geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> > So, just as I say this,
the> > page is at:> > http://www.SMTPS.net/netboot_flash_obp.html> > I did an
Ultra> > 10 this way with no problems. I may have done> an Ultra2 as well.> >
cheers> >> > bruce> > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 07:59:48AM +0100, Sevan / >
Venture37 >> > wrote:> > > And dumb me, I didn't consider OBP as helping the
install too.> >> > > So the questions remain if I can install OBP without
Solaris, and if I'll> >> > have to crack open the case.> > > I'll see...> > >
> From the OBP update> > page:> > "Note 1: This utility is *not* OS-dependent.
The list of releases> > shown under> > the> > "Solaris Release" and "SunOS
Release" sections may not> > be complete:> > The> > absence of a valid Solaris
Release or SunOS Release> > from the lists> > above> > does not preclude the
installation of this patch> > against the> > hardware."> > > > > > > >> >
_________________________________________________________________> > Be a
Hero> > and Win with Iron Man> >> >
http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/> >> >

[Jay-93]

<whining>

  Ugh, this is not so easy.
  First of all, I am able to write the Solaris and OpenBSD bootblocks.    I
could not find any documentation on saving/restoring them, but    I could find
how to set them to a specified set. It's not difficult.   You boot the Solaris
CD and like    /blah/installboot /blah/`uname -i`/blah/bootblk blah
  And when you are done, to get OpenBSD back, boot the openBSD CD and like:
     mount /dev/wd0 /mnt          /mnt/mdec/blah/installboot /mnt/mdec/bootblk
/dev/rwd0
     Actually I got an error so out of paranoia I did more like:
   mount /dev/wd0 /mnt      cp /mnt/mdec/blah/* /tmp     umount /mnt
/tmp/installboot /tmp/bootblk /dev/rwd0
   It took me a little while to find the OpenBSD installboot, buried in "mdec"
instead of any of /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /bin, /sbin..even thought to check
/stand.     (damn there are too many of these directories! I know people like
to fragment up
their hard drives into multiple partitions in order to make it harder to
decide how large
to make the partitions, and so then there is /bin and /usr/bin,
but must we have sbin too?, and on a single partition system, can't they all
just
be in /bin and /usr/bin a symlink to /bin, and on a multi partition system,
put them
where they are "needed" and then fill the others with symlinks? I realize
that's wasteful
of storage and $path search...I know these are not great suggestions, but
I do often wish it was all just in /bin.)
   find is not present in the shell when you boot the OpenBSD CD, and the one
in /mnt/blah crashes.
   All that, and the Solaris boot blocks won't boot the flash updater either.
They say something like "file just loaded does not appear to be an executable"
or somesuch. This is surprising to me. I really thought this would work.
 Ok, so let's try the net boot approach.
 Well, there's a step "edit /etc/hosts in the usual way". The usual way? I
always use dhcp. The usual way is not at all. So I tried my usual way..
 At first I forgot to switch the Sun back from wireless to wired. After some
timeout, it sort of proceeded, to the next level of  recieving nothing.
 Ok, switch it to wired. Remember the MAC address changes (since I had gotten
it from my router/dhcpd instead of .enet-addr,
  it was that of the wireless). It is timing out indefinitely. At least that
gives me a chance to fix the tftp server.
 Over on the tftp server I get:   warning: cannot find jay-sun1 on
192.168.2.0, or maybe the other way around.
 I don't know where this .0 came from. I relented then and edited /etc/hosts.
First I used a 192.168 range. But then I wonder, hm, maybe that conflicts with
the dhcp on the router?  Maybe I should use a 10.* or such number. So I tried
that.
   I still get the warning about 192.168.2.0, and the Sun is still just
sitting timing out.
   I don't know where this address is coming from. Maybe it is a reference to
a "group"
   or "mask" of addresses -- 192.168.2.*?
   I have run pkill -1 inetd after every edit.
   So maybe I should reboot.     Well, it's a newly installed slow machine, I
had tar xfz ports,src,xenocara.tgz running.     Kill those before rebooting.
mv away /usr/src, /usr/ports to /usr/delete so I will delete     them after
the reboot. This triggers the not as dead as I meant tar to spew warning
after warning after warning unable to set file times, to a slow console
(MacPPC G3 iBook).     There seems to be no way for me to stop it.     My
router shows no IP address -- I'd ssh in.     Can't control-c or fg/control-c,
it's "detatched", stupid me.     It's still going. I'll leave it go and then
try again later.  ok, i finally finished.
   Ugh. Flashing the BIOS is a big pain.     On Windows, you just run the app,
it runs within Windows, and then it reboots.
 ..Jay

From: jayk123@...: openbsd@...: venture37@...;
misc@...: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?Date:
Sat, 17 May 2008 08:44:53 +0000


Agreed. "something" is "boot blocks" and they are "installed" by "the OS".The
flash-update is a 32bit ELF file and I imagine the OpenBSD/sparc64 boot blocks
only like 64bit ELF. (Per my other unrelated question -- I was wrong,
OpenBSD/sparc64 is pure 64 bit, gcc -m32 doesn't "work" (from a certain point
of view, yes I realize it does exactly what it is meant to do, and it is
arguably superior this way, rather than open a can of worms as to just what is
"the architecture" of "the OS", some hard to pin down hybrid, or simply only
SPARC64.) It is probably possible and not difficult to temporarily install the
Solaris boot blocks (such as from the environment booting the Solaris install
CD gives you), boot the flash-update, and then put back the OpenBSD boot
blocks. I haven't really tried yet. It might even be possible, like, to say
boot cdrom /blahblah/ or boot floppy /blahblahblah where /blahblahblah is, you
know, normally just like bsd or /update-flash, the kernel or the program to
run, relative to the device, but maybe you can use a "device path" there at
the start and have the boot blocks on one device read the "kernel" (or rather
update-flash) from another device. The flash-update is also 1.4something meg
in size, which I thought therefore might fit on a floppy and be bootable
completely from there, but I didn't have luck with that. The floppy drive
wasn't working from OpenBSD and the floppy I produced on NT doesn't work. The
size is maybe just a coincidence, and heck maybe I misread the number of
digits, it was 14<something>. I was too lazy to determine the actual value of
1.44meg -- LAZY of me, so easy to have done... I'll experiment later. I blew
away my Linux/macppc and started OpenBSD/macppc install so I can try the
netboot (which is something I want to try anyway). I know those directions
aren't specific to macppc, or even OpenBSD, but I have no other OpenBSD
machines currently, the Mac was a good candidate, and I might as well not risk
Linux or MacOSX varying in an area I'm not confident in. btw, those
instructions were good, but the man page looks quite good as well, maybe
identical. Thanks again, I'll report back later (in case anyone cares..hey the
mailing list is "misc", not "dev-important".. :) ) - Jay

> Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 09:42:20 +0200> From: openbsd@...> To:
jayk123@...> CC: venture37@...; misc@...> Subject: Re:
geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> > Hi,> > I was unable to get the
obp upgrade to boot when put on a openbsd disk. I guess,> but don't know for
sure, that the sequence is:> > - obp starts> - obp reads "something"> -
something starts> - something reads the rest of the command line and reads the
kernel.> > This "something" doesn't read the obp upgrade.> > If you compare
the upgrade OBP with netboot to the diskless man page, the thing> loaded
across the network via tftp when openbsd boots is ofwboot.net. The thing>
loaded with tftp is the actuall upgrade program of obp in that case.> > >
cheers> > bruce> > On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 09:03:40PM +0000, Jay wrote:> >
well, of course OB can read the file system.It loads the kernel after all.The>
> instructions are encouraging:> > OB> boot disk /flash-update> > Cool, like,
the flash-update is a kernel?Well, not that, but a program> > runnable as if
it is a kernel?> > But it looks like "the OS", er, the OS installer, is
between OB and the> > kernel;Specifically there are some "boot blocks"
installed by the OS, and the> > OpenBSD ones don't recognize the file format
of the flash-update.> > Darn.> > Maybe there is a way?> > - Jay> > > > > >
From: jayk123@...: openbsd@...; venture37@...:> >
misc@...: RE: geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?Date:>
> Fri, 16 May 2008 20:17:26 +0000> > > > > > Awesome, thanks!Normally I would
have said "I have never netbooted; it seems> > too hard to setup" but those
look like great instructions.And I was almost> > right in my paranoia about
needing Solaris.I still wonder though -- if> > OpenBSD's UFS is the same
format as Solaris's, or if OpenBSD can create a> > Solaris format of file
system, then I think OpenBoot can read the files. And> > if not, not. I
think.Mitigating factors: I got 4.3 in the mail that> > supposedly fixes this.
The wireless networking is working fine. The OPB> > isn't even known to fix
this, but hopefully. But yeah, running old OBP/BIOS> > not great. - Jay> > > >
> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:21:46 +0200> From: openbsd@...> To:> >
venture37@...> CC: jayk123@...; misc@...> Subject:
Re:> > geom network driver times out on sparc 4.2?> > So, just as I say this,
the> > page is at:> > http://www.SMTPS.net/netboot_flash_obp.html> > I did an
Ultra> > 10 this way with no problems. I may have done> an Ultra2 as well.> >
cheers> >> > bruce> > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 07:59:48AM +0100, Sevan / >
Venture37 >> > wrote:> > > And dumb me, I didn't consider OBP as helping the
install too.> >> > > So the questions remain if I can install OBP without
Solaris, and if I'll> >> > have to crack open the case.> > > I'll see...> > >
> From the OBP update> > page:> > "Note 1: This utility is *not* OS-dependent.
The list of releases> > shown under> > the> > "Solaris Release" and "SunOS
Release" sections may not> > be complete:> > The> > absence of a valid Solaris
Release or SunOS Release> > from the lists> > above> > does not preclude the
installation of this patch> > against the> > hardware."> > > > > > > >> >
_________________________________________________________________> > Be a
Hero> > and Win with Iron Man> >> >
http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/> >> >