gnome-hackers moderation

[Christian Rose]

Someone recently asked why his subscription request to the
gnome-hackers list was still pending.

I answered that besides his request, there are currently 24 other
pending subscription requests to the gnome-hackers list.

I know of no list policy for subscriptions to the gnome-hackers list,
other than the fact that the gnome-hackers list is not an open list
and the list subscription is moderated. But nowhere does it, to the
best of my knowledge, say *how* subscription requests should be
moderated and treated. This is why I leave the gnome-hackers list
subscription request moderation for others to decide, in contrast to
message moderation to the list. There are two other list admins who
perhaps know more than me about the gnome-hackers subscription
moderation policy.

However, this shouldn't be a big problem, I guess, as the
desktop-devel-list is open for all.


Christian
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[Gregory McLean]

On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 17:59 +0200, Christian Rose wrote:

> Someone recently asked why his subscription request to the
> gnome-hackers list was still pending.
>
> I answered that besides his request, there are currently 24 other
> pending subscription requests to the gnome-hackers list.
>
> I know of no list policy for subscriptions to the gnome-hackers list,
> other than the fact that the gnome-hackers list is not an open list
> and the list subscription is moderated. But nowhere does it, to the
> best of my knowledge, say *how* subscription requests should be
> moderated and treated. This is why I leave the gnome-hackers list
> subscription request moderation for others to decide, in contrast to
> message moderation to the list. There are two other list admins who
> perhaps know more than me about the gnome-hackers subscription
> moderation policy.
>

I seem to recall getting hollered at for approving them last time so I

also don't touch the subscription requests.

> However, this shouldn't be a big problem, I guess, as the
> desktop-devel-list is open for all.
>
>
> Christian


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[Rodrigo Moya]

On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 17:59 +0200, Christian Rose wrote:

> Someone recently asked why his subscription request to the
> gnome-hackers list was still pending.
>
> I answered that besides his request, there are currently 24 other
> pending subscription requests to the gnome-hackers list.
>
> I know of no list policy for subscriptions to the gnome-hackers list,
> other than the fact that the gnome-hackers list is not an open list
> and the list subscription is moderated. But nowhere does it, to the
> best of my knowledge, say *how* subscription requests should be
> moderated and treated. This is why I leave the gnome-hackers list
> subscription request moderation for others to decide, in contrast to
> message moderation to the list. There are two other list admins who
> perhaps know more than me about the gnome-hackers subscription
> moderation policy.
>

gnome-hackers has always been this way, since it was the private forum
for hackers when it was created. Not sure if that still applies, since
it is not used that much lately, so not sure what we should do.

As for managing the subscription list, I myself as maintainer of the
list, don't mind at all if anyone with admin rights gets to it and
accepts / rejects subscriptions, so feel free to do it (unless some
other maintainer disagrees loudly :-) As for which ones to accept, in
all the years I've been maintaining this list (very badly lately, it
seems based on the huge subscription list :), I approved requests based
on knowing or not who the requester was, so unless you find a better use
for this list or just decide to drop it, I'd suggest just keeping up
with that policy.
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[Behdad Esfahbod-3]

On 05/14/2009 05:42 PM, Rodrigo Moya wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 17:59 +0200, Christian Rose wrote:
>> Someone recently asked why his subscription request to the
>> gnome-hackers list was still pending.
>>
>> I answered that besides his request, there are currently 24 other
>> pending subscription requests to the gnome-hackers list.
>>
>> I know of no list policy for subscriptions to the gnome-hackers list,
>> other than the fact that the gnome-hackers list is not an open list
>> and the list subscription is moderated. But nowhere does it, to the
>> best of my knowledge, say *how* subscription requests should be
>> moderated and treated. This is why I leave the gnome-hackers list
>> subscription request moderation for others to decide, in contrast to
>> message moderation to the list. There are two other list admins who
>> perhaps know more than me about the gnome-hackers subscription
>> moderation policy.
>>
> gnome-hackers has always been this way, since it was the private forum
> for hackers when it was created. Not sure if that still applies, since
> it is not used that much lately, so not sure what we should do.

Hi everyone,

We talked about it during the board meeting today.  We feel that the best
action at this point is to shut down gnome-hackers and tell everyone to
subscribe to the open desktop-devel-list instead.  Shout if you object, or
we'll go forward with this plan next week.

Cheers,
behdad

> As for managing the subscription list, I myself as maintainer of the
> list, don't mind at all if anyone with admin rights gets to it and
> accepts / rejects subscriptions, so feel free to do it (unless some
> other maintainer disagrees loudly :-) As for which ones to accept, in
> all the years I've been maintaining this list (very badly lately, it
> seems based on the huge subscription list :), I approved requests based
> on knowing or not who the requester was, so unless you find a better use
> for this list or just decide to drop it, I'd suggest just keeping up
> with that policy.
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[Gregory Leblanc-2]

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Behdad Esfahbod <behdad@...> wrote:

> On 05/14/2009 05:42 PM, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 17:59 +0200, Christian Rose wrote:
>>>
>>> Someone recently asked why his subscription request to the
>>> gnome-hackers list was still pending.
>>>
>>> I answered that besides his request, there are currently 24 other
>>> pending subscription requests to the gnome-hackers list.
>>>
>>> I know of no list policy for subscriptions to the gnome-hackers list,
>>> other than the fact that the gnome-hackers list is not an open list
>>> and the list subscription is moderated. But nowhere does it, to the
>>> best of my knowledge, say *how* subscription requests should be
>>> moderated and treated. This is why I leave the gnome-hackers list
>>> subscription request moderation for others to decide, in contrast to
>>> message moderation to the list. There are two other list admins who
>>> perhaps know more than me about the gnome-hackers subscription
>>> moderation policy.
>>>
>> gnome-hackers has always been this way, since it was the private forum
>> for hackers when it was created. Not sure if that still applies, since
>> it is not used that much lately, so not sure what we should do.
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> We talked about it during the board meeting today.  We feel that the best
> action at this point is to shut down gnome-hackers and tell everyone to
> subscribe to the open desktop-devel-list instead.  Shout if you object, or
> we'll go forward with this plan next week.

What is the plan for handing security type messages that currently
show up to a private mirror of the gnome-hackers subscribers list?
Err, I guess if you're unfamiliar with how it works, that might not
make sense.  Should I post a refresher explanation here, for the folks
who may have forgotten?
    Greg
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[Behdad Esfahbod-3]

On 05/14/2009 09:40 PM, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
>
> What is the plan for handing security type messages that currently
> show up to a private mirror of the gnome-hackers subscribers list?
> Err, I guess if you're unfamiliar with how it works, that might not
> make sense.  Should I post a refresher explanation here, for the folks
> who may have forgotten?

Count me one.  By the main question is: has this mechanism been of any use
recently?

behdad

>      Greg
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[Vincent Untz]

Le jeudi 14 mai 2009, à 21:40 -0400, Gregory Leblanc a écrit :
> What is the plan for handing security type messages that currently
> show up to a private mirror of the gnome-hackers subscribers list?
> Err, I guess if you're unfamiliar with how it works, that might not
> make sense.  Should I post a refresher explanation here, for the folks
> who may have forgotten?

FWIW, I still think that security-type messages should go to some
security@... alias, where people would forward the issue to the
relevant maintainers -- this was already discussed in the past.

And you get a nice bonus that this new alias (or private mailing list,
if you prefer) has an explicit name that outsiders can easily find.

Vincent

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[Michael Schumacher]

Christian Rose wrote:
> Someone recently asked why his subscription request to the
> gnome-hackers list was still pending.
>
> I answered that besides his request, there are currently 24 other
> pending subscription requests to the gnome-hackers list.
>
> I know of no list policy for subscriptions to the gnome-hackers list,
> other than the fact that the gnome-hackers list is not an open list
> and the list subscription is moderated.

Now that is funny. I do not recall to ever having been subscribed to
this list, but I do receive messages from it.

Could it be that the list of subscribers is not actually moderated, but
edited manually by someone who wants to maintain an inner circle of
GNOME developers? And why did I end up on this list then?


Regards,
Michael

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[Ruben Vermeersch-2]

On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 22:01 +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote:

> Christian Rose wrote:
> > Someone recently asked why his subscription request to the
> > gnome-hackers list was still pending.
> >
> > I answered that besides his request, there are currently 24 other
> > pending subscription requests to the gnome-hackers list.
> >
> > I know of no list policy for subscriptions to the gnome-hackers list,
> > other than the fact that the gnome-hackers list is not an open list
> > and the list subscription is moderated.
>
> Now that is funny. I do not recall to ever having been subscribed to
> this list, but I do receive messages from it.
>
> Could it be that the list of subscribers is not actually moderated, but
> edited manually by someone who wants to maintain an inner circle of
> GNOME developers? And why did I end up on this list then?

Same thing here, always been curious who subscribed me :-)


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