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hackage is down.
by tphyahoo
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http://hackage.haskell.org
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Re: hackage is down.
by Jochem Berndsen-3
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On Sun, Nov 01, 2009 at 07:58:00AM -0600, Thomas Hartman wrote:
> http://hackage.haskell.org Hackage is down currently, I am seeding the torrent by mauke from IRC on http://mauke.ath.cx/tmp/2009-10-19-hackage-archive.torrent Cheers, Jochem -- Jochem Berndsen | jochem@... | jochem@牛在田里.com _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@... http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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Re: hackage is down.
by Don Stewart-2
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This has been reported to the sysadmins.
tphyahoo: > http://hackage.haskell.org > _______________________________________________ > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > Haskell-Cafe@... > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@... http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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Re: hackage is down.
by Neil Mitchell
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For future reference, if Hackage or community is down where should
that be reported to? On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Don Stewart <dons@...> wrote: > This has been reported to the sysadmins. > > tphyahoo: >> http://hackage.haskell.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Haskell-Cafe mailing list >> Haskell-Cafe@... >> http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe > _______________________________________________ > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > Haskell-Cafe@... > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe > Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@... http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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Re: hackage is down.
by Don Stewart-2
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I'd say,
community -> dcoutts, Igloo, ijones@... hackage.haskell.org/darcs.haskell.org -> {dons,heinelein}@... ndmitchell: > For future reference, if Hackage or community is down where should > that be reported to? > > On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Don Stewart <dons@...> wrote: > > This has been reported to the sysadmins. > > > > tphyahoo: > >> http://hackage.haskell.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Haskell-Cafe mailing list > >> Haskell-Cafe@... > >> http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe > > _______________________________________________ > > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > > Haskell-Cafe@... > > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe > > Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@... http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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Re: hackage is down.
by Daniel van den Eijkel-2
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you saved my day!
thanks, daniel Jochem Berndsen schrieb: > On Sun, Nov 01, 2009 at 07:58:00AM -0600, Thomas Hartman wrote: > >> http://hackage.haskell.org >> > > Hackage is down currently, I am seeding the torrent by mauke from IRC on > http://mauke.ath.cx/tmp/2009-10-19-hackage-archive.torrent > > Cheers, Jochem > Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@... http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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Re: hackage is down.
by Henning Thielemann
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> Jochem Berndsen schrieb: >> On Sun, Nov 01, 2009 at 07:58:00AM -0600, Thomas Hartman wrote: >> >>> http://hackage.haskell.org >> >> Hackage is down currently, I am seeding the torrent by mauke from IRC on >> http://mauke.ath.cx/tmp/2009-10-19-hackage-archive.torrent Cool, is this the beginning of distributed Hackage? Still needs support in 'cabal-install'. _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@... http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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Re: hackage is down.
by Thomas DuBuisson
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> + Distributed hackage is DHT network.
A DHT has been discussed before on IRC, glad to hear more people voicing the thought. > + Everything is PGP-signed. Yes, that would certainly be needed and also came up in our discussion. > + Everyone can push package into network, everyone can rate package > (malicious / SPAM / unstable / stable / etc). No no no! Why not download the normal (signed) cabal list from the DHT (and optionally directly from hackage.haskell.org)? These are all the packages that would appear on the website. Why serve any other content? All nodes in the DHT may check and make sure the file (or fragment) being served is properly signed. Any desire for popularity or tagging capability should be separate. > + User maintains list of trusted people's open keys, in order to > validate authenticity and see trusted ratings. This would need further explanation, but in general I'm against requiring user interaction on this level. Thomas _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@... http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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Re: hackage is down.
by ??????? ??????-2
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After some discussion in haskell@..., I've got this ideas:
+ Distributed hackage is DHT network. + Everything is PGP-signed. + Everyone can push package into network, everyone can rate package (malicious / SPAM / unstable / stable / etc). + User maintains list of trusted people's open keys, in order to validate authenticity and see trusted ratings. Additional features: + Load balancing. + Ability to work through HTTP, trusted LAN peers, etc. Sorry for my terrible English. > > Cool, is this the beginning of distributed Hackage? Still needs > support in 'cabal-install'. > _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@... http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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Re: hackage is down.
by ??????? ??????-2
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> No no no! Why not download the normal (signed) cabal list from the > DHT (and optionally directly from hackage.haskell.org)? These are all > the packages that would appear on the website. Why serve any other > content? All nodes in the DHT may check and make sure the file (or > fragment) being served is properly signed. > > Any desire for popularity or tagging capability should be separate. > Because single single hackage private key can be bruteforsed or stolen far easier than lots and lots keys of random people. >> + User maintains list of trusted people's open keys, in order to >> validate authenticity and see trusted ratings. >> > > This would need further explanation, but in general I'm against > requiring user interaction on this level. You choose who's moderating packages for you. Some well-known community moderators and your trusted friends. If no one rated package yet, then you download and rate, so people who trust you can make decision based on your rate. Kind of social network. _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@... http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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Re: hackage is down.
by shelby-3
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Opportunity cost minimization problem:
>> No no no! Why not download the normal (signed) cabal list from the >> DHT (and optionally directly from hackage.haskell.org)? These are all >> the packages that would appear on the website. Why serve any other >> content? All nodes in the DHT may check and make sure the file (or >> fragment) being served is properly signed. >> >> Any desire for popularity or tagging capability should be separate. >> > Because single single hackage private key can be bruteforsed or stolen > far easier than lots and lots keys of random people. > > > >>> + User maintains list of trusted people's open keys, in order to >>> validate authenticity and see trusted ratings. >> >> This would need further explanation, but in general I'm against >> requiring user interaction on this level. > You choose who's moderating packages for you. Some well-known community > moderators and your trusted friends. If no one rated package yet, then > you download and rate, so people who trust you can make decision based > on your rate. > Kind of social network. In short, P2P introduces non-determinism. Non-determinism is natural law and otherwise order is not permanent (e.g. ends in non-composability, errors, vulnerabilities, etc): http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2009-November/068432.html What is needed is some way to set up upper bound to the level of non-determinism in some useful domain: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2009-October/068382.html (space determinism in Haskell) Which are really opportunity cost minimizations: http://forum.bittorrent.org/viewtopic.php?id=28 (my architectural comments about BitTorrent free loading) http://goldwetrust.up-with.com/technology-f8/computers-t112-15.htm#2189 (long winded, not so coherent brainstorming) _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@... http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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Re: hackage is down.
by Jochem Berndsen-3
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??????? ?????? wrote:
> >> No no no! Why not download the normal (signed) cabal list from the >> DHT (and optionally directly from hackage.haskell.org)? These are all >> the packages that would appear on the website. Why serve any other >> content? All nodes in the DHT may check and make sure the file (or >> fragment) being served is properly signed. >> >> Any desire for popularity or tagging capability should be separate. >> > Because single single hackage private key can be bruteforsed or stolen > far easier than lots and lots keys of random people. You only need to compromise one well-trusted key to compromise the system. Cheers, Jochem -- Jochem Berndsen | jochem@... | jochem@????.com _______________________________________________ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@... http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe |
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