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Re: Apple did it again!

by Chris Janton :: Rate this Message:

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On 2008-05-29 , at 18:12 , Ryan Schmidt wrote:

> I don't think I like that hack very much. Wouldn't it be better to
> write up how to install a 3rd-party launchctl manager which you could
> use to start and stop all MacPorts-supplied startup services?


Go to this webpage

        http://lingon.sourceforge.net/

Download your favorite version (the Leopard version is very nice).

Read the fine manual provided at

        http://lingon.sourceforge.net/Lingon-Manual.pdf

You'll find the macports launchctl entries under "User  
Daemons" (assuming you have followed the instructions provided in most  
ports that need you to do a launchctl -w ...)

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Re: Apple did it again!

by Ryan Schmidt-24 :: Rate this Message:

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On May 29, 2008, at 20:23, Chris Janton wrote:

> On 2008-05-29 , at 18:12 , Ryan Schmidt wrote:
>
>> I don't think I like that hack very much. Wouldn't it be better to
>> write up how to install a 3rd-party launchctl manager which you could
>> use to start and stop all MacPorts-supplied startup services?
>
>
> Go to this webpage
>
> http://lingon.sourceforge.net/
>
> Download your favorite version (the Leopard version is very nice).
>
> Read the fine manual provided at
>
> http://lingon.sourceforge.net/Lingon-Manual.pdf
>
> You'll find the macports launchctl entries under "User  
> Daemons" (assuming you have followed the instructions provided in  
> most ports that need you to do a launchctl -w ...)

Right, lingon, that's the name I couldn't think of. We could write up  
something on our web site about using that.

We already have a port for it...

http://db.macports.org/port/show/4001


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Re: Apple did it again!

by Rainer Müller-4 :: Rate this Message:

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Ryan Schmidt wrote:
> Right, lingon, that's the name I couldn't think of. We could write up  
> something on our web site about using that.

Sounds like a good idea.

> We already have a port for it...
>
> http://db.macports.org/port/show/4001

Hm, the description of this port is wrong. Actually Lingon is only
available for Leopard and not for Tiger.

CC'ing maintainer :-)

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Re: Apple did it again!

by Jordan K. Hubbard :: Rate this Message:

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I'm not sure I understand what point you're trying to make.   If you  
put anything in /usr outside of /usr/local, since the very first  
release of MacOSX the rule has always been "you're living on borrowed  
time and at your own risk" since Apple, like every other OS vendor on  
the planet, reserves the right to update any files it shipped.  That  
is why MacPorts installs into /opt instead of /usr.

- Jordan

On May 29, 2008, at 4:53 PM, John Korchok wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Once again, the latest security patch 2008-003 for Tiger broke our  
> Apache 2
> installation by replacing apachectl. Earlier posts on this topic are
> repeated below for any new listers:
>
>>>> Subject: Tiger software update replaces apachectl
>>>>
>>>> I found out (the hard way) that the latest Apple Security
>>>> Update 2008-002 for Tiger replaces the apachectl file in
>>>> /usr/sbin. If, like me, you had copied the apachectl file
>>>> from /opt/local/apache2/bin to /usr/sbin (this enables you to
>>>> turn Apache on and off using the System
>>>> Prefs/Sharing/Personal Web Sharing), you will find that the
>>>> next time you restart Apache, things go haywire, like none of
>>>> your PHP works any more.
>>>> It's because your system has reverted to the Apache 1.3 that
>>>> comes with Tiger.
>>>>
>>>> John Korchok
>
>>> Are there other steps to making Personal Web Sharing run Apache2?  
>>> If
>>> so, could you please detail them for those of us who just can't  
>>> remember
>>> anything?
>>>
>>>
>>> In A Chord,
>>>
>>> Tom Condon
>
>> If you are comfortable with the command line, all you need to do is  
>> to
> link
>> to the installation of apache that you want to control from the  
>> preferance
> panes.
>>
>> 1. $cd /usr/sbin
>> 2. $mv apachectl apachectl1-3
>> 3. $ln -s /opt/local/apache2/bin/apachectl apachectl
>>
>> when you list the directory it should give you something like this:
>> ...
>> apachectl -> /opt/local/apache2/bin/apachectl
>> ...
>> and you should now be able to control macports apache2 from you  
>> preference
> pane.
>> Matt Hipley
>
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Re: Apple did it again!

by Jordan K. Hubbard :: Rate this Message:

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Never mind on this -  I just read the follow-ups.  I still think this  
is a really dangerous thing to do, but since the original poster  
realizes this also, I'll not belabor the point.

- Jordan

On May 29, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

> I'm not sure I understand what point you're trying to make.   If you
> put anything in /usr outside of /usr/local, since the very first
> release of MacOSX the rule has always been "you're living on borrowed
> time and at your own risk" since Apple, like every other OS vendor on
> the planet, reserves the right to update any files it shipped.  That
> is why MacPorts installs into /opt instead of /usr.
>
> - Jordan
>
> On May 29, 2008, at 4:53 PM, John Korchok wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Once again, the latest security patch 2008-003 for Tiger broke our
>> Apache 2
>> installation by replacing apachectl. Earlier posts on this topic are
>> repeated below for any new listers:
>>
>>>>> Subject: Tiger software update replaces apachectl
>>>>>
>>>>> I found out (the hard way) that the latest Apple Security
>>>>> Update 2008-002 for Tiger replaces the apachectl file in
>>>>> /usr/sbin. If, like me, you had copied the apachectl file
>>>>> from /opt/local/apache2/bin to /usr/sbin (this enables you to
>>>>> turn Apache on and off using the System
>>>>> Prefs/Sharing/Personal Web Sharing), you will find that the
>>>>> next time you restart Apache, things go haywire, like none of
>>>>> your PHP works any more.
>>>>> It's because your system has reverted to the Apache 1.3 that
>>>>> comes with Tiger.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Korchok
>>
>>>> Are there other steps to making Personal Web Sharing run Apache2?
>>>> If
>>>> so, could you please detail them for those of us who just can't
>>>> remember
>>>> anything?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In A Chord,
>>>>
>>>> Tom Condon
>>
>>> If you are comfortable with the command line, all you need to do is
>>> to
>> link
>>> to the installation of apache that you want to control from the
>>> preferance
>> panes.
>>>
>>> 1. $cd /usr/sbin
>>> 2. $mv apachectl apachectl1-3
>>> 3. $ln -s /opt/local/apache2/bin/apachectl apachectl
>>>
>>> when you list the directory it should give you something like this:
>>> ...
>>> apachectl -> /opt/local/apache2/bin/apachectl
>>> ...
>>> and you should now be able to control macports apache2 from you
>>> preference
>> pane.
>>> Matt Hipley
>>
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Re: Apple did it again!

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On May 29, 2008, at 20:37, Rainer Müller wrote:

> Ryan Schmidt wrote:
>> Right, lingon, that's the name I couldn't think of. We could write  
>> up  something on our web site about using that.
>
> Sounds like a good idea.
>
>> We already have a port for it...
>> http://db.macports.org/port/show/4001
>
> Hm, the description of this port is wrong. Actually Lingon is only  
> available for Leopard and not for Tiger.
>
> CC'ing maintainer :-)

Its platform darwin 9 section seems bogus too.... it checks if the  
xcodeversion is 2.1 but darwin 9 requires xcode 3 or greater??

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