how to install ibm jre

[Zhang Weiwu]

Hello. I have problem accessing online banking from iBook G4/opensuse.
It uses applet and it works fine on my friends iBook G3 running Gentoo
Linux and IBM jre. I noticed opensuse installed icedtea instead, so I am
thinking if I can install IBM jre it would solve the problem.

However I couldn't find sun jre in package repository, in all of
powerpc.opensuse.org oss/non-oss repositories and in packman. A google
search of how to use ibm-jre in opensuse finds my own post asking
similar question 3 year ago which failed by that time:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-07/msg01965.html

Am I advised to go to IBM website download and install jre in RPM
version? Or should I add other package repositories or where to find a
pre-packaged ibm jre? What do you try in this case?

Thanks in advance.
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[Manfred Tremmel]

Am Sonntag, 24. Mai 2009 schrieb Zhang Weiwu:
> Hello. I have problem accessing online banking from iBook
> G4/opensuse. It uses applet and it works fine on my friends iBook G3
> running Gentoo Linux and IBM jre. I noticed opensuse installed
> icedtea instead, so I am thinking if I can install IBM jre it would
> solve the problem.
>
> However I couldn't find sun jre in package repository, in all of

Sun never created a Linux PPC jre/jdk, so you couldn't find it. There
was a port from Blackdown, but the latest version was 1.3.something. I
wouln't use it anymore.

> powerpc.opensuse.org oss/non-oss repositories and in packman. A
> google search of how to use ibm-jre in opensuse finds my own post
> asking similar question 3 year ago which failed by that time:
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-07/msg01965.html
>
> Am I advised to go to IBM website download and install jre in RPM
> version? Or should I add other package repositories or where to find
> a pre-packaged ibm jre? What do you try in this case?

You have to download from IBM website. The licence was very restricted,
when I've checked it last, so it doesn't allow to redistribute it.
Therefore there will be no package on the packman site.

In the past, IBM checked the cpu and failed on cpu's IBM didn't use on
there own computers, so all G4 didn't work. I don't know if this has
changed the last years.

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[Zhang Weiwu]

在 2009-05-24日的 18:17 +0200，Manfred Tremmel写道：
> You have to download from IBM website. The licence was very restricted,
> when I've checked it last, so it doesn't allow to redistribute it.
> Therefore there will be no package on the packman site.
>
> In the past, IBM checked the cpu and failed on cpu's IBM didn't use on
> there own computers, so all G4 didn't work. I don't know if this has
> changed the last years.

Oh what a shame. However I have to try it, because I don't have other
ways. My other java application also behave incorrect, especially jedit
which is my daily tool. The problem seems to be related to JRE
compatibility with Chinese input method which is beyond what I can fix
by myself. I guess I had to try see if IBM JRE works for me.

And I start to fight dependency. First error message for latest ppc RPM
package is:
        error: Failed dependencies:
        libstdc++.so.5 is needed by ibm-java-ppc-jre-6.0-4.0.ppc
The usual dirty way of solving such problem is
        cp /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5

however it doesn't fool the installer. I still gets the same error
messag:
        error: Failed dependencies:
        libstdc++.so.5 is needed by ibm-java-ppc-jre-6.0-4.0.ppc

Am I one of the first trying to install IBM JRE from IBM site? I guess
if other people when through this trouble they probably have some guide
posted, but google told me nothing.

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[Manfred Tremmel]

Am Montag, 25. Mai 2009 schrieb Zhang Weiwu:

> The usual dirty way of solving such problem is
>         cp /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5

Sorry, would be a very stupid way.
Install libstdc++33, it contains the libstdc++.so.5

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[Brett Smith-6]

Zhang Weiwu wrote:

> 在 2009-05-24日的 18:17 +0200，Manfred Tremmel写道：
>
> Oh what a shame. However I have to try it, because I don't have other
> ways. My other java application also behave incorrect, especially jedit
> which is my daily tool. The problem seems to be related to JRE
> compatibility with Chinese input method which is beyond what I can fix
> by myself. I guess I had to try see if IBM JRE works for me.
>
> And I start to fight dependency. First error message for latest ppc RPM
> package is:
>         error: Failed dependencies:
>         libstdc++.so.5 is needed by ibm-java-ppc-jre-6.0-4.0.ppc
> The usual dirty way of solving such problem is
>         cp /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
>
> however it doesn't fool the installer. I still gets the same error
> messag:
>         error: Failed dependencies:
>         libstdc++.so.5 is needed by ibm-java-ppc-jre-6.0-4.0.ppc
>
> Am I one of the first trying to install IBM JRE from IBM site? I guess
> if other people when through this trouble they probably have some guide
> posted, but google told me nothing.
>

I do not have openSUSE anymore on my Mac G4 because it does not easily
support SMP.  However, I was able to make the IBM Java work as the
default on Fedora 10, so the steps below might work with modifications
on your Mac.  The RPM package names will be slightly different, and you
may need to research more to enable localization, as I only use English.

Regards,
- Brett


Some web site references:

IBM Java developer kits (download 32-bit iSeries/pSeries)
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux/download.html

See section: "Linux dependent packages are not available" and
"update-alternatives" commands
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/wasce/V2.1.0/en/setup-troubleshooting.html

openSUSE update-alternatives article (RPM name is "update-alternatives")
http://en.opensuse.org/Java/setDefaultJava


And these are the Fedora 10 steps:

INSTALL PREREQUISITES

Install (Fedora 10):
libXp-1.0.0-11.fc9.ppc.rpm
compat-libstdc++-33-3.2.3-64.ppc.rpm
galternatives-0.13.4-5.fc9.noarch.rpm


INSTALL IBM JAVA 5

Install (IBM download):
ibm-java2-ppc-sdk-5.0-9.0.ppc.rpm
ibm-java2-ppc-javacomm-5.0-9.0.ppc.rpm

Add Java 5 application to alternatives:
# update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java
/opt/ibm/java2-ppc-50/jre/bin/java 1

Add Java 5 browser plugin to alternatives (for Firefox 3):
# update-alternatives --install
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so libjavaplugin.so
/opt/ibm/java2-ppc-50/jre/bin/libjavaplugin_ojigtk2.so 1


INSTALL IBM JAVA 6

Install (IBM download):
ibm-java-ppc-sdk-6.0-4.0.ppc.rpm
ibm-java-ppc-javacomm-3.0.0.0.rpm

Add Java 6 application to alternatives:
# update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java
/opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/bin/java 1

Add Java 6 browser plugin to alternatives (for Firefox 3):
# update-alternatives --install
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so libjavaplugin.so
/opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/plugin/ppc/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so 1


SELECT IBM JAVA (5 OR 6) APPLICATION FROM ALTERNATIVES

# update-alternatives --config java

There are 4 programs which provide 'java'.

  Selection    Command
-----------------------------------------------
*+ 1           /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk/bin/java
   2           /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.5.0-gcj/bin/java
   3           /opt/ibm/java2-ppc-50/jre/bin/java
   4           /opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/bin/java

Enter to keep the current selection[+], or type selection number: 3


VERIFY INSTALLED JAVA APPLICATION VERSION

# java -version
java version "1.5.0"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build
pxp32devifx-20090327 (SR9-SSU ))
IBM J9 VM (build 2.3, J2RE 1.5.0 IBM J9 2.3 Linux ppc-32
j9vmxp3223-20081129 (JIT enabled)
J9VM - 20081126_26240_bHdSMr
JIT  - 20081112_1511ifx1_r8
GC   - 200811_07)
JCL  - 20090327


SELECT IBM JAVA (5 OR 6) BROWSER PLUGIN FROM ALTERNATIVES

# update-alternatives --config libjavaplugin.so
There are 3 programs which provide 'libjavaplugin.so'.

  Selection    Command
-----------------------------------------------
*+ 1           /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk/lib/ppc/IcedTeaPlugin.so
   2           /opt/ibm/java2-ppc-50/jre/bin/libjavaplugin_ojigtk2.so
   3           /opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/plugin/ppc/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so

Enter to keep the current selection[+], or type selection number: 2


VERIFY INSTALLED JAVA BROWSER PLUGIN VERSION

1. Open Firefox 3, and type the URL: about:plugins
2. Scroll down the "Installed plugins" web page and find section:

IBM Java(TM) Plug-in: J2RE 1.5.0 IBM build jclxp32devifx-20090327
    File name: libjavaplugin_ojigtk2.so
    Java(TM) Plug-in 1.5.0
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[Steven Didier]

I moved away from Open Suse also, I now run Ubuntu 9.04 (I've been  
using Ubuntu on my TiBook for a couple years now) This version works  
very well for everything except the usb image creator tool (it is an  
i-386-586 specific tool as syslinux hasn't been ported to ppc).  Java,  
the app and JRE  work as does flash.
Cheers, SteveD
On May 25, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Brett Smith wrote:

> Zhang Weiwu wrote:
>> 在 2009-05-24日的 18:17 +0200，Manfred Tremmel写道：
>>
>> Oh what a shame. However I have to try it, because I don't have other
>> ways. My other java application also behave incorrect, especially  
>> jedit
>> which is my daily tool. The problem seems to be related to JRE
>> compatibility with Chinese input method which is beyond what I can  
>> fix
>> by myself. I guess I had to try see if IBM JRE works for me.
>>
>> And I start to fight dependency. First error message for latest ppc  
>> RPM
>> package is:
>>        error: Failed dependencies:
>>         libstdc++.so.5 is needed by ibm-java-ppc-jre-6.0-4.0.ppc
>> The usual dirty way of solving such problem is
>>        cp /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
>>
>> however it doesn't fool the installer. I still gets the same error
>> messag:
>>        error: Failed dependencies:
>>        libstdc++.so.5 is needed by ibm-java-ppc-jre-6.0-4.0.ppc
>>
>> Am I one of the first trying to install IBM JRE from IBM site? I  
>> guess
>> if other people when through this trouble they probably have some  
>> guide
>> posted, but google told me nothing.
>>
>
> I do not have openSUSE anymore on my Mac G4 because it does not easily
> support SMP.  However, I was able to make the IBM Java work as the
> default on Fedora 10, so the steps below might work with modifications
> on your Mac.  The RPM package names will be slightly different, and  
> you
> may need to research more to enable localization, as I only use  
> English.
>
> Regards,
> - Brett
>
>
> Some web site references:
>
> IBM Java developer kits (download 32-bit iSeries/pSeries)
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux/download.html
>
> See section: "Linux dependent packages are not available" and
> "update-alternatives" commands
> http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/wasce/V2.1.0/en/setup-troubleshooting.html
>
> openSUSE update-alternatives article (RPM name is "update-
> alternatives")
> http://en.opensuse.org/Java/setDefaultJava
>
>
> And these are the Fedora 10 steps:
>
> INSTALL PREREQUISITES
>
> Install (Fedora 10):
> libXp-1.0.0-11.fc9.ppc.rpm
> compat-libstdc++-33-3.2.3-64.ppc.rpm
> galternatives-0.13.4-5.fc9.noarch.rpm
>
>
> INSTALL IBM JAVA 5
>
> Install (IBM download):
> ibm-java2-ppc-sdk-5.0-9.0.ppc.rpm
> ibm-java2-ppc-javacomm-5.0-9.0.ppc.rpm
>
> Add Java 5 application to alternatives:
> # update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java
> /opt/ibm/java2-ppc-50/jre/bin/java 1
>
> Add Java 5 browser plugin to alternatives (for Firefox 3):
> # update-alternatives --install
> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so libjavaplugin.so
> /opt/ibm/java2-ppc-50/jre/bin/libjavaplugin_ojigtk2.so 1
>
>
> INSTALL IBM JAVA 6
>
> Install (IBM download):
> ibm-java-ppc-sdk-6.0-4.0.ppc.rpm
> ibm-java-ppc-javacomm-3.0.0.0.rpm
>
> Add Java 6 application to alternatives:
> # update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java
> /opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/bin/java 1
>
> Add Java 6 browser plugin to alternatives (for Firefox 3):
> # update-alternatives --install
> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so libjavaplugin.so
> /opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/plugin/ppc/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so 1
>
>
> SELECT IBM JAVA (5 OR 6) APPLICATION FROM ALTERNATIVES
>
> # update-alternatives --config java
>
> There are 4 programs which provide 'java'.
>
>  Selection    Command
> -----------------------------------------------
> *+ 1           /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk/bin/java
>   2           /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.5.0-gcj/bin/java
>   3           /opt/ibm/java2-ppc-50/jre/bin/java
>   4           /opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/bin/java
>
> Enter to keep the current selection[+], or type selection number: 3
>
>
> VERIFY INSTALLED JAVA APPLICATION VERSION
>
> # java -version
> java version "1.5.0"
> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build
> pxp32devifx-20090327 (SR9-SSU ))
> IBM J9 VM (build 2.3, J2RE 1.5.0 IBM J9 2.3 Linux ppc-32
> j9vmxp3223-20081129 (JIT enabled)
> J9VM - 20081126_26240_bHdSMr
> JIT  - 20081112_1511ifx1_r8
> GC   - 200811_07)
> JCL  - 20090327
>
>
> SELECT IBM JAVA (5 OR 6) BROWSER PLUGIN FROM ALTERNATIVES
>
> # update-alternatives --config libjavaplugin.so
> There are 3 programs which provide 'libjavaplugin.so'.
>
>  Selection    Command
> -----------------------------------------------
> *+ 1           /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk/lib/ppc/IcedTeaPlugin.so
>   2           /opt/ibm/java2-ppc-50/jre/bin/libjavaplugin_ojigtk2.so
>   3           /opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/plugin/ppc/ns7/
> libjavaplugin_oji.so
>
> Enter to keep the current selection[+], or type selection number: 2
>
>
> VERIFY INSTALLED JAVA BROWSER PLUGIN VERSION
>
> 1. Open Firefox 3, and type the URL: about:plugins
> 2. Scroll down the "Installed plugins" web page and find section:
>
> IBM Java(TM) Plug-in: J2RE 1.5.0 IBM build jclxp32devifx-20090327
>    File name: libjavaplugin_ojigtk2.so
>    Java(TM) Plug-in 1.5.0
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[Zhang Weiwu]

Steven Didier wrote:
> I moved away from Open Suse also, I now run Ubuntu 9.04 (I've been
> using Ubuntu on my TiBook for a couple years now) This version works
> very well for everything except the usb image creator tool (it is an
> i-386-586 specific tool as syslinux hasn't been ported to ppc).  Java,
> the app and JRE  work as does flash.
> Cheers, SteveD

Thanks for the input. I spent 2 day trying to install Ubuntu on iBook G4
and turn to opensuse after everything I can do failed. The main problem
being X, no matter how I tweak or try to compile a driver for my ATI
Radeon Mobility card, starting X server always puts the notebook to
black screen where the only thing can do is to login to the notebook
through SSH and shut down the host (killing X server wouldn't get
console back). I'd love to use Ubuntu if I could, because I had switched
from OpenSuSE to Ubuntu 3 years ago and liked it for its lack of
problems e.g. occasionally not able to print (which happens in
OpenSUSE), slowness on starting "Computer" menu (now better in 11.1),
defaulting to banshee which I hate (where ubuntu default tools for multi
media works better) and having to struggle on package management to
figure out how to install VLC etc (where Ubuntu have them 2 clicks away).

Now switching back to OpenSuSE I have found a few new problem that
wasn't there 3 years ago, e.g. GIMP doesn't print (most other
application prints, even 2/3 times fail 1/3 time works, but GIMP always
fail). However it do fixed some major problem that existed 3 years ago,
e.g. huge (and growing amount of) memory consumed by the start menu
replacement (where Ubuntu have simple start menu).

I cannot help but feeling Ubuntu is for use, while OpenSUSE sells
because it have several "advantages" like nicer beagle integration,
wired start menu (now I think it is a bit more useful than Ubuntu's
because of "favorites"), XEN integration, Mono and its applications like
banshee. When you want to buy an OS, you may consider which have
advantages, but when you actually use an OS, these special OpenSUSE
advantages helps little in my daily business, while stability and less
number of problems counts.

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[Steven Didier]

I had the very same problems with versions 5-7. I would end up  
tweaking the Xorg config file each time I upgraded. That was not the  
case in the latest Jaunty  9.04 it installed without a hitch and my  
graphics chip is the ATI mobility 900.
If you haven't tried the latest release I'd suggest that you download  
it and give it a try again. As another option Yellow Dog Linux, based  
on Fedora, is compiled for ppc, Sony Playstation (it has the motorola  
ppc processor) may work for you
Good luck,

SteveD
On May 25, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Zhang Weiwu wrote:

> Steven Didier wrote:
>> I moved away from Open Suse also, I now run Ubuntu 9.04 (I've been
>> using Ubuntu on my TiBook for a couple years now) This version works
>> very well for everything except the usb image creator tool (it is an
>> i-386-586 specific tool as syslinux hasn't been ported to ppc).  
>> Java,
>> the app and JRE  work as does flash.
>> Cheers, SteveD
>
> Thanks for the input. I spent 2 day trying to install Ubuntu on  
> iBook G4
> and turn to opensuse after everything I can do failed. The main  
> problem
> being X, no matter how I tweak or try to compile a driver for my ATI
> Radeon Mobility card, starting X server always puts the notebook to
> black screen where the only thing can do is to login to the notebook
> through SSH and shut down the host (killing X server wouldn't get
> console back). I'd love to use Ubuntu if I could, because I had  
> switched
> from OpenSuSE to Ubuntu 3 years ago and liked it for its lack of
> problems e.g. occasionally not able to print (which happens in
> OpenSUSE), slowness on starting "Computer" menu (now better in 11.1),
> defaulting to banshee which I hate (where ubuntu default tools for  
> multi
> media works better) and having to struggle on package management to
> figure out how to install VLC etc (where Ubuntu have them 2 clicks  
> away).
>
> Now switching back to OpenSuSE I have found a few new problem that
> wasn't there 3 years ago, e.g. GIMP doesn't print (most other
> application prints, even 2/3 times fail 1/3 time works, but GIMP  
> always
> fail). However it do fixed some major problem that existed 3 years  
> ago,
> e.g. huge (and growing amount of) memory consumed by the start menu
> replacement (where Ubuntu have simple start menu).
>
> I cannot help but feeling Ubuntu is for use, while OpenSUSE sells
> because it have several "advantages" like nicer beagle integration,
> wired start menu (now I think it is a bit more useful than Ubuntu's
> because of "favorites"), XEN integration, Mono and its applications  
> like
> banshee. When you want to buy an OS, you may consider which have
> advantages, but when you actually use an OS, these special OpenSUSE
> advantages helps little in my daily business, while stability and less
> number of problems counts.
>

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[Zhang Weiwu]

Steven Didier wrote:
> I had the very same problems with versions 5-7. I would end up
> tweaking the Xorg config file each time I upgraded. That was not the
> case in the latest Jaunty  9.04 it installed without a hitch and my
> graphics chip is the ATI mobility 900.
I started by trying Ubuntu 9.04 and than 8.04, then 7.04, which finally
work. And I spent 1 day to install 7.04, upgrade to 8.04 then to 9.04,
which still doesn't work.
> If you haven't tried the latest release I'd suggest that you download
> it and give it a try again. As another option Yellow Dog Linux, based
> on Fedora, is compiled for ppc, Sony Playstation (it has the motorola
> ppc processor) may work for you
I went through this. People suggest yellow dog linux for me. I opt for
openSUSE for its wide coverage of package repository because I am a
demanding user that uses 20 software tools for my work (although none of
them are software development tools) and i hate to mess with the trouble
of installing software outside package repository because my old
experience told me it could be a blackwhole sucks in time. YDL offer a
very narrow package repository.
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[Zhang Weiwu]

Manfred Tremmel wrote:
> Am Montag, 25. Mai 2009 schrieb Zhang Weiwu:
>
>  
>> The usual dirty way of solving such problem is
>>         cp /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
>>    
>
> Sorry, would be a very stupid way.
> Install libstdc++33, it contains the libstdc++.so.5

Thank you very much for your hints, this instantly solved my problem.
Here is the full instruction for other newbies:

   1. download the ppc jre from IBM in RPM format. You need an IBM ID
      for that;
   2. install libstdc++33, remove old openJDK JRE (and its "plugin");
   3. double-click to install the RPM package you downloaded. Note that
      unlike most other applications, when installation successfully
      finish, the installer will close itself WITHOUT saying
      'installation is successful', so if you see it suddenly closed it
      is not crashed.
   4. for every Java application you wish to run, change its properties
      of desktop icon. e.g.
      was: /usr/local/bin/jedit
      change to: /usr/bin/env JAVA_HOME=/opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre
      /usr/local/bin/jedit

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[Zhang Weiwu]

在 2009-05-26二的 14:17 +0800，Zhang Weiwu写道：

>    1. download the ppc jre from IBM in RPM format. You need an IBM ID
>       for that;
>    2. install libstdc++33, remove old openJDK JRE (and its "plugin");
>    3. double-click to install the RPM package you downloaded. Note that
>       unlike most other applications, when installation successfully
>       finish, the installer will close itself WITHOUT saying
>       'installation is successful', so if you see it suddenly closed it
>       is not crashed.
>    4. for every Java application you wish to run, change its properties
>       of desktop icon. e.g.
>       was: /usr/local/bin/jedit
>       change to: /usr/bin/env JAVA_HOME=/opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre
>       /usr/local/bin/jedit

    5. In case you need to run Java applets, do this:
ln -s /opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/plugin/ppc/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/browser-plugins/


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