how to update Rosegarden

[paul.beaudoin]

Hi

I've been lurking for a while now and it is time. I have a copy of Studio to Go (V1.5) containing what is now a pretty old version of Rosegarden. For reasons I don't need to clutter this note up with, I put this on the shelf and it is now time to dust it off again. First is to get later versions - RG has apparently come a long way in the last couple of years and it is probably not necessary to struggle with the old version and ask questions that are now redundant. I do not know Linux very well at all and need some basic instruction as to how to update the RG package and how to a) know if it worked ok and b) what to do if not. I have the original install disk and can save my own files away so can restore to start if all goes very badly but would like a more subtle solution....

I'll eventually need to update much of this (Jack and  Aeolus primarily) I assume so a generic approach (if possible) would be useful

Chris - you might remember me from the Fervent forum - it seems STG and Fervent have disappeared?

Thanks

Paul


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[Abrolag]

On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:49:11 +0100
paul.beaudoin@... wrote:

> Hi
>
> I've been lurking for a while now and it is time. I have a copy of Studio
> to Go (V1.5) containing what is now a pretty old version of Rosegarden.
> For reasons I don't need to clutter this note up with, I put this on the
> shelf and it is now time to dust it off again. First is to get later
> versions - RG has apparently come a long way in the last couple of years
> and it is probably not necessary to struggle with the old version and ask
> questions that are now redundant. I do not know Linux very well at all and
> need some basic instruction as to how to update the RG package and how to
> a) know if it worked ok and b) what to do if not. I have the original
> install disk and can save my own files away so can restore to start if all
> goes very badly but would like a more subtle solution....
>
> I'll eventually need to update much of this (Jack and  Aeolus primarily) I
> assume so a generic approach (if possible) would be useful
>
> Chris - you might remember me from the Fervent forum - it seems STG and
> Fervent have disappeared?
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul

Personally I would recommend you try the complete package 64studio -
The 3.0 beta version has a very up-to-date version of Rosegareden along
with jack and almost all the other stuff you're likely to want.

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[cannam]

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:49 PM, <paul.beaudoin@...> wrote:
> Chris - you might remember me from the Fervent forum - it seems STG and
> Fervent have disappeared?

I certainly do, and I'm afraid they have, sadly.

I would probably echo Will (Abrolag) and suggest moving to a whole new
distribution, perhaps the 64studio beta as he suggests (it also comes
in a bootable-CD format, although I haven't tested it myself).

However strongly I felt that STG was the most pleasing and usable
design around, there are by now quite a few technical obstacles to
keeping an old STG distribution up to date with newer audio packages.
That is one reason we failed to keep the distribution going -- so much
effort needed to be put into managing the general Linux distribution
parts of the system that there was too little left for the actual
music software.  Similar things seem to happen to many specialised
distros, however closely they try to track a general-purpose base
distribution.


Chris

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[D. Michael McIntyre-3]

On Wednesday 08 July 2009, paul.beaudoin@... wrote:

> I've been lurking for a while now and it is time. I have a copy of Studio
> to Go (V1.5) containing what is now a pretty old version of Rosegarden.

A pretty old version of everything by now.

> I'll eventually need to update much of this (Jack and  Aeolus primarily) I
> assume so a generic approach (if possible) would be useful

This is a common source of culture shock for people coming from the Windows
world.

Let's say your distro ships with Someapp 1.5 and Someapp has released 2.3.  
You get notification that there is an update of Someapp available, and you're
expecting to be upgraded to 2.3, but what you get is a security patched
version of 1.5 instead.

Linux just has an entirely different distribution model, and you can't look at
upgrading single packages this way unless you're brave and very determined.  
It's not impossible, but it's usually the road to frustration and disgust.  
It rarely ends well, and the longer you persist with the practice, the more
you dig yourself deeper and deeper into a hole.

Eventually you wind up with your own custom Linux From Scratch, you've had to
rebuild so many things from source code.

I learned this lesson as hard as anyone, and I was as stubborn about holding
onto my old way of thinking as long as anyone.  Linux requires a complete
paradigm shift.

Since STG is dead and Fervent is out of business, you have no practical choice
but to install a modern studio-oriented distro.  I haven't tried 64 Studio
myself, but when I get around to upgrading my copy of Ubuntu Studio LTS, if
it turns out the new one is as much of a train wreck as some reports have
lead me to fear it will be, I'll probably be jumping ship and heading to 64
Studio myself.

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[Alf Tonny Bätz]

If you have KDE runing, i have a resipie for upgrading rosegarden to
latest version. But as always when i try help, i have missunderstand
something, so the i alway make a ass of my self.

But anyway i try.

When i upgraded rosegarden i needed to install some components to make
the build work

that is the  following packages.

kde-devel, cmake, jack, dssi-dev, liblo0-dev, build-essential,
liblrdf0-dev, fftw3-dev

and then download the source from rosegardenmusic.com


REad the INSTALL File

in the install file you find the command to run to see if something is missing

cmake . -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX='kde-config --prefix'

if all is ok run

make
make install

Well, hope this was any help

regards Alf Tonny Bätz


On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM, <paul.beaudoin@...> wrote:

>
> Hi
>
> I've been lurking for a while now and it is time. I have a copy of Studio to
> Go (V1.5) containing what is now a pretty old version of Rosegarden. For
> reasons I don't need to clutter this note up with, I put this on the shelf
> and it is now time to dust it off again. First is to get later versions - RG
> has apparently come a long way in the last couple of years and it is
> probably not necessary to struggle with the old version and ask questions
> that are now redundant. I do not know Linux very well at all and need some
> basic instruction as to how to update the RG package and how to a) know if
> it worked ok and b) what to do if not. I have the original install disk and
> can save my own files away so can restore to start if all goes very badly
> but would like a more subtle solution....
>
> I'll eventually need to update much of this (Jack and  Aeolus primarily) I
> assume so a generic approach (if possible) would be useful
>
> Chris - you might remember me from the Fervent forum - it seems STG and
> Fervent have disappeared?
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
>
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[GARY SEVIOUR]

64 studio is the main thing that I've used so far. Musix has got to be worth a try though,I was very impressed last time I tried it, you can try a live CD.

--- On Wed, 8/7/09, D. Michael McIntyre <rosegarden.trumpeter@...> wrote:

From: D. Michael McIntyre <rosegarden.trumpeter@...>
Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] how to update Rosegarden
To: rosegarden-user@...
Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 2:50 PM

On Wednesday 08 July 2009, paul.beaudoin@... wrote:

> I've been lurking for a while now and it is time. I have a copy of Studio
> to Go (V1.5) containing what is now a pretty old version of Rosegarden.

A pretty old version of everything by now.

> I'll eventually need to update much of this (Jack and  Aeolus primarily) I
> assume so a generic approach (if possible) would be useful

This is a common source of culture shock for people coming from the Windows
world.

Let's say your distro ships with Someapp 1.5 and Someapp has released 2.3. 
You get notification that there is an update of Someapp available, and you're
expecting to be upgraded to 2.3, but what you get is a security patched
version of 1.5 instead.

Linux just has an entirely different distribution model, and you can't look at
upgrading single packages this way unless you're brave and very determined. 
It's not impossible, but it's usually the road to frustration and disgust. 
It rarely ends well, and the longer you persist with the practice, the more
you dig yourself deeper and deeper into a hole.

Eventually you wind up with your own custom Linux From Scratch, you've had to
rebuild so many things from source code.

I learned this lesson as hard as anyone, and I was as stubborn about holding
onto my old way of thinking as long as anyone.  Linux requires a complete
paradigm shift.

Since STG is dead and Fervent is out of business, you have no practical choice
but to install a modern studio-oriented distro.  I haven't tried 64 Studio
myself, but when I get around to upgrading my copy of Ubuntu Studio LTS, if
it turns out the new one is as much of a train wreck as some reports have
lead me to fear it will be, I'll probably be jumping ship and heading to 64
Studio myself.

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[cannam]

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 2:50 PM, D. Michael
McIntyre<rosegarden.trumpeter@...> wrote:
> Linux just has an entirely different distribution model, and you can't look at
> upgrading single packages this way unless you're brave and very determined.

We used to do this for STG -- providing packages of single
applications that you could download and install one by one without
many dependencies.  Not very many of them, but the big ones like RG
and Ardour at least.  Good when you have something that works and you
don't want to break it.  Might be one reason it all proved so
labour-intensive though.


Chris

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[paul.beaudoin]

Thanks to all for the responses - 64studio is the clear suggestion so I tried downloading both 3.0 and 2.1 last night. It seemed to work but the resulting (ISO) disk was not bootable. I'll look into all that. DMK - as far as coming from the windows world -it is actually much worse than that! I come from the VMS world and used to make music pretty regularly on a mac... I learned what little I know of windows as it became unavoidable in spite of heroic efforts over the years.

Thanks again and I'll be back...

Regards

Paul


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[david-602]

I didn't try downloading 3.0, but did download 2.1. It burned and booted
just fine, but partway through the install process it reported that
files on the DVD didn't match files that it had copied to disk. I don't
know if that's a problem with my DVD burner or with their ISO. I had no
problems installing ArtistX 0.70 using a DVD burned on the same drive. I
also got UbuntuStudio installed using media burned on the same drive. I
decided that two audio/video/media distros was enough.

paul.beaudoin@... wrote:

> Thanks to all for the responses - 64studio is the clear suggestion so I
> tried downloading both 3.0 and 2.1 last night. It seemed to work but the
> resulting (ISO) disk was not bootable. I'll look into all that. DMK - as
> far as coming from the windows world -it is actually much worse than
> that! I come from the VMS world and used to make music pretty regularly
> on a mac... I learned what little I know of windows as it became
> unavoidable in spite of heroic efforts over the years.
>
> Thanks again and I'll be back...
>
> Regards
>
> Paul

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gnome@...
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[wg2002a]

> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:00:07 -1000
> From: david <gnome@...>
>
> I didn't try downloading 3.0, but did download 2.1. It
> burned and booted
> just fine, but partway through the install process it
> reported that
> files on the DVD didn't match files that it had copied to
> disk.

  <snipped>

>
> paul.beaudoin@...
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks to all for the responses - 64studio is the
> clear suggestion so I
> > tried downloading both 3.0 and 2.1 last night. It
> seemed to work but the
> > resulting (ISO) disk was not bootable. >
> >

Sometimes I get similar problem downloading Linux bootable liveCD image.  Some data portions got mangled.  See if they have an rsync server for it.  Rsync has options to download just the "mangled portion" instead of having to re-download the whole ISO image.

Lack of rsync, I suppose you can try running md5sum on the ISO image and compare with the posted MD5 signature of the ISO image that most distro post along with the ISO image.

If you still want an audio/music oriented liveCD, you may want to try Musix or PureDyne besides 64 Studio, I believe all 3 are Debian compatible.

Once you know how things work under your Linux distro, you can pretty much make it work with another distro.  It helps if your distro is based on a major, commonly use distro like Debian, Fedora Core, Slackware...

If you are comfortable with Debian I have some in mind to recommend (or you can choose other distros).  You may want to consider a distro that has a kernel compiled with "high resolution timer".  Otherwise you may have to compile your own kernel, because the kernel has to be compatible with how your distro boots up (have appropriate modules, ramdisk... available and boot scripts can find those).

Sidux is a liveCD distro that is not audio/music oriented, but it has "high resolution timer" kernel by default.  It does have rsync server for downloading.  It is fully Debian compatible (can use Debian repositories).  It is based on Debian Unstable (Sid), so it does have generally the newest apps available in Debian.  Sidux currently has 4 releases scheduled each year, one per calendar quarter.  So the latest Sidux liveCD is fairly recent.

Knoppix was my first intro to liveCD.  Then, I learned all I could from a Musix liveCD a while back, about how Musix setup music apps but I didn't like a few things of Musix at that time.  So I search around for a different distro that I can sort of understand and get music apps going.  That lead me to a few liveCD distros, then to a predecessor of Sidux, until the team split up and Sidux was born.  All these distros are liveCD and are Debian compatible.  LiveCD helps if I messed up, booting from a liveCD helps with fixing problem, or faily quick re-install.  Since I'm familiar with Debian, it is counter productive to try to spend to much time to learn a different distro.

Rosegarden is fairly up to date on Debian Unstable.  Although I don't update Rosegarden specificly, a new Sidux release install gets me to the latest apps that Sidux, and Debian Unstable has available.  That combination has been fairly stable for my use.

Wish you well in your search for a Linux distro that may be comfortable for you.

Jimmy



     

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