http://solaris.kde.org refesh

Hi,
KDE 4.3 is about to be released yet the first page coming up in google
query for "kde solaris" is http://solaris.kde.org with 5 years old
info on KDE 3.4.

Could someone with the powers refresh the pages along the attached
proposal? I only did the first three, they are the most critical I
believe. I know it's crude and ugly, - patches are welcome.

BTW who does have the powers?

The howtos should be just deleted IMO; the FAQ - I was not able to
edit them via the 'Edit' link.

Also it would be in place to see who of the persons listed at
http://solaris.kde.org/contact/ is still interested in the project

As regards all the links on the left side (below the 'Contact Us'), I
think they are redundant and confusing - any argument for leaving them
there?

TIA

hajma

The KDE on Solaris team aims to port the KDE graphical environment and supporting frameworks to Solaris/OpenSolaris. The goal is to ensure KDE continues to be a first class citizen on Solaris platforms and to provide users with easy access to quality binary packages.

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The primary target platform is OpenSolaris on x86. The current set of packages should be buildable on Solaris 10 and recent SXCE with just minor fixes, but there's not enough manpower to guarantee any level of support for them. The writer of this document has no idea about how sparc is doing.

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We were able to build most of the packages of KDE 4.3 RC3 (4.2.98). Fixes are still needed for kdeedu, kdemultimedia and kdeplasma-addons. Binary packages are not available yet*, but it is fairly easy to set up a local build environment.

* Packages are published irregularly in the http://solaris.bionicmutton.org:10000 repository, but they tend to be dated

Binary packages are not available yet*.

It's fairly easy to setup local build environment - it's described in the six-step howto, which should produce a working KDE session within 12-24 hours, depending on your hardware.

* Packages are published irregularly in the http://solaris.bionicmutton.org:10000 repository, but they tend to be dated

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[Stefan Teleman-2]

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 19:17, hajma<tropikhajma@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> KDE 4.3 is about to be released yet the first page coming up in google
> query for "kde solaris" is http://solaris.kde.org with 5 years old
> info on KDE 3.4.
>
> Could someone with the powers refresh the pages along the attached
> proposal? I only did the first three, they are the most critical I
> believe. I know it's crude and ugly, - patches are welcome.

I think that the first thing you would probably need to do, is to
propose a design which you yourself do not describe as "crude and
ugly".

Very few would be interested in rebuilding a web site with a new
design, when the original author of this new design promotes it as
"ugly, but hey, feel free to make it better and send me patches".

What would be the incentive to change here ? Make it look worse ?

--Stefan

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2009/7/27 Stefan Teleman <stefan.teleman@...>:

> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 19:17, hajma<tropikhajma@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> KDE 4.3 is about to be released yet the first page coming up in google
>> query for "kde solaris" is http://solaris.kde.org with 5 years old
>> info on KDE 3.4.
>>
>> Could someone with the powers refresh the pages along the attached
>> proposal? I only did the first three, they are the most critical I
>> believe. I know it's crude and ugly, - patches are welcome.
>
> I think that the first thing you would probably need to do, is to
> propose a design which you yourself do not describe as "crude and
> ugly".

hm, probably I should have rephrased it:
"The design is not really good for the 3rd millenium  and Web 2.0, as
it's the same as the old one - patches are welcome." :-)

>
> Very few would be interested in rebuilding a web site with a new
> design, when the original author of this new design promotes it as
> "ugly, but hey, feel free to make it better and send me patches".
>
> What would be the incentive to change here ? Make it look worse ?

My priorities are:
1. Valid and uptodate information
2. Clean, non-confusing
3. Amount of information
...
x. Design

Currently people googling for kde on solaris will come to the
conclusion we're still in the 3.4 age and go shopping somewhere else.
This should be solved ASAP as KDE 4.3 will be announced August 4 and
there will be some wave of interest.
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[Stefan Teleman-2]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 04:28, hajma<tropikhajma@...> wrote:

> My priorities are:

*YOUR* priorities ??

> 1. Valid and uptodate information
> 2. Clean, non-confusing
> 3. Amount of information
> ...
> x. Design
>
> Currently people googling for kde on solaris will come to the
> conclusion we're still in the 3.4 age and go shopping somewhere else.
> This should be solved ASAP as KDE 4.3 will be announced August 4 and
> there will be some wave of interest.

ASAP!

Yes, SIR! I'll get on that right away, SIR!


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2009/7/27 Stefan Teleman <stefan.teleman@...>:
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 04:28, hajma<tropikhajma@...> wrote:
>
>> My priorities are:
>
> *YOUR* priorities ??

yes, my priorities. I don't have anybody else's priorities. I devote
my own time to the project so what I do I do based on my own
priorities.
Design is not my best skill, so I chose to concentrate on things I can
do better.

>
>> 1. Valid and uptodate information
>> 2. Clean, non-confusing
>> 3. Amount of information
>> ...
>> x. Design
>>
>> Currently people googling for kde on solaris will come to the
>> conclusion we're still in the 3.4 age and go shopping somewhere else.
>> This should be solved ASAP as KDE 4.3 will be announced August 4 and
>> there will be some wave of interest.
>
> ASAP!
>
> Yes, SIR! I'll get on that right away, SIR!

hey, I would fix it myself if I had the powers. I don't have a clue
who has them - there is no such information on the pages or it's well
hidden. From your replies it seems one of the persons is you, but,
unfortunately, you prefer to mutter sarcastic comments to either
copy-paste something someone else did or give useful comments.
Just let me know if you answered yes to any of the below questions,
please and I'll not bother you again.

Do you find current state of http://solaris.kde.org acceptable? YES/NO
Do you have the time and will to update it? YES/NO
Do you mind others updating it, even if that means the pages will not
be 150% perfect? YES/NO
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On Monday 27 July 2009 01:17:20 am hajma wrote:
> BTW who does have the powers?

People with a kde-www commit bit. I have one of them. Often you can send
changes to the website to kde-www@ as well. I'll commit these changes
(modified, because it's php behind there somewhere) when I have time.

[ade]


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[Stefan Teleman-2]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:17, hajma<tropikhajma@...> wrote:

> 2009/7/27 Stefan Teleman <stefan.teleman@...>:
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 04:28, hajma<tropikhajma@...> wrote:
>>
>>> My priorities are:
>>
>> *YOUR* priorities ??
>
> yes, my priorities. I don't have anybody else's priorities. I devote
> my own time to the project so what I do I do based on my own
> priorities.

Really.

So the priorities of the KDE Solaris project do not concern you,
because you work on this on your own time.

That's an interesting attitude.

For your information, everyone involved with this project works on it
on their own time.

>> ASAP!
>>
>> Yes, SIR! I'll get on that right away, SIR!
>
> hey, I would fix it myself if I had the powers. I don't have a clue
> who has them - there is no such information on the pages or it's well
> hidden. From your replies it seems one of the persons is you, but,
> unfortunately, you prefer to mutter sarcastic comments to either
> copy-paste something someone else did or give useful comments.
> Just let me know if you answered yes to any of the below questions,
> please and I'll not bother you again.
>
> Do you find current state of http://solaris.kde.org acceptable? YES/NO
> Do you have the time and will to update it? YES/NO
> Do you mind others updating it, even if that means the pages will not
> be 150% perfect? YES/NO

I'd say 100% perfect would be enough.

However, the design you have proposed is, in your own words, "crude
and ugly". That, in my mind, doesn't qualify for 100% perfect.

So the answer is: you're nowhere near 100% perfect, by your own admission.

If you want to be taken seriously, come up with a design which  you
don't consider "crude and ugly", propose it, let everyone take a look
at it, and let everyone comment on it.

If you don't want to do this, then don't expect to be taken seriously.

Just because you put together 3 "crude and ugly" html pages in
OpenOffice doesn't mean all of us have to jump and agree to it.

--Stefan

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2009/7/27 Stefan Teleman <stefan.teleman@...>:

> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:17, hajma<tropikhajma@...> wrote:
>> 2009/7/27 Stefan Teleman <stefan.teleman@...>:
>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 04:28, hajma<tropikhajma@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My priorities are:
>>>
>>> *YOUR* priorities ??
>>
>> yes, my priorities. I don't have anybody else's priorities. I devote
>> my own time to the project so what I do I do based on my own
>> priorities.
>
> Really.
>
> So the priorities of the KDE Solaris project do not concern you,
> because you work on this on your own time.
>
> That's an interesting attitude.

this is quite a normal attitude, welcome to the open source world. And
since there's currently no list of priorities cast in stone for the
project, I'm perfecly happy with what I do, I even believe I am not
harming anything.
Your current priorities do not include kde-solaris, so you currently
do not contribute anything directly* except occasional bitching - and
guess what - it's completely fine.
My current priorities were to improve the pages so I sent some
proposal to the list and expected either acceptance or constructive
comments.


*but thanks for the many compilation hints

>
> For your information, everyone involved with this project works on it
> on their own time.
>
>>> ASAP!
>>>
>>> Yes, SIR! I'll get on that right away, SIR!
>>
>> hey, I would fix it myself if I had the powers. I don't have a clue
>> who has them - there is no such information on the pages or it's well
>> hidden. From your replies it seems one of the persons is you, but,
>> unfortunately, you prefer to mutter sarcastic comments to either
>> copy-paste something someone else did or give useful comments.
>> Just let me know if you answered yes to any of the below questions,
>> please and I'll not bother you again.
>>
>> Do you find current state of http://solaris.kde.org acceptable? YES/NO
>> Do you have the time and will to update it? YES/NO
>> Do you mind others updating it, even if that means the pages will not
>> be 150% perfect? YES/NO
>
> I'd say 100% perfect would be enough.
>
> However, the design you have proposed is, in your own words, "crude
> and ugly". That, in my mind, doesn't qualify for 100% perfect.
>
> So the answer is: you're nowhere near 100% perfect, by your own admission.
>
> If you want to be taken seriously, come up with a design which  you
> don't consider "crude and ugly", propose it, let everyone take a look
> at it, and let everyone comment on it.

let me repeat:
right now the pages are ugly and outdated
my proposal would make them ugly and updated

I don't have the time, skills and will to make them Web 2.0 compliant.

everyone can comment the change in this thread, so far we're just
wasting each other's time that could've been spent next to a pool with
a martini in hand
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[Stefan Teleman-2]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:38, hajma<tropikhajma@...> wrote:

>> So the priorities of the KDE Solaris project do not concern you,
>> because you work on this on your own time.
>>
>> That's an interesting attitude.
>
> this is quite a normal attitude, welcome to the open source world.

No, it is not. Trust me.

> let me repeat:
> right now the pages are ugly and outdated
> my proposal would make them ugly and updated
>
> I don't have the time, skills and will to make them Web 2.0 compliant.

1. Pointer to the specifications of Web 2.0 compliance, if they exist.
I think they don't really exist. It's just a marketing buzzword.

2. If you can't do the work, why are we having this discussion in the
first place ?

--Stefan

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2009/7/27 Stefan Teleman <stefan.teleman@...>:

> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:38, hajma<tropikhajma@...> wrote:
>
>>> So the priorities of the KDE Solaris project do not concern you,
>>> because you work on this on your own time.
>>>
>>> That's an interesting attitude.
>>
>> this is quite a normal attitude, welcome to the open source world.
>
> No, it is not. Trust me.
>
>> let me repeat:
>> right now the pages are ugly and outdated
>> my proposal would make them ugly and updated
>>
>> I don't have the time, skills and will to make them Web 2.0 compliant.
>
> 1. Pointer to the specifications of Web 2.0 compliance, if they exist.
> I think they don't really exist. It's just a marketing buzzword.
>
> 2. If you can't do the work, why are we having this discussion in the
> first place ?

this discussion is getting ridiculous and leads to nowhere, so I am
accepting your proposal to end it.
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