hugin installer for Windows Vista SVN 3975

[Ad Huikeshoven]

Hi all,

Please find a new hugin installer for Windows Vista based on SVN revision 3975 at http://hugin.huikeshoven.org/

Ad Huikeshoven

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[hbl]

Ad, I installed this release on a Toshiba notebook running Windows
Vista sp1.  The Data Execution Protection feature is closing the app.
This is common to all versions since 7.0. Are you or anyone else able
to test using a PC running native Windows Vista?

On Jun 30, 3:46 pm, Ad Huikeshoven <ad.huikesho...@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Please find a new hugin installer for Windows Vista based on SVN revision
> 3975 athttp://hugin.huikeshoven.org/
>
> Ad Huikeshoven
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[Bart van Andel]

Maybe it's common to you, but I never had this issue personally, and I
still don't. My Sony laptop (Core2 Duo with Centrino2 technology) is
running Vista SP2 (no problems on the former SP1 either). I haven't
tweaked my system against DEP or anything like that either (if that's
even possible), it ran out of the box. Maybe there's an issue with
your configuration?

Best,
Bart
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[hbl]

Bart, it is hard to say what the problem is.  I've just installed SP2
with no change.  On my laptop, DEP is closing Hugin with event name
BEX (buffer overflow exception).  That is what is triggering DEP to
close the program.

Does your laptop have DEP installed?  If so, are you able to create an
exception for Hugin?  MS says installers should be created using
Visual Studio 8 to be compatible with DEP.  I wonder if that is being
done here.

On Jul 1, 12:45 pm, Bart van Andel <bavanan...@...> wrote:
> Maybe it's common to you, but I never had this issue personally, and I
> still don't. My Sony laptop (Core2 Duo with Centrino2 technology) is
> running Vista SP2 (no problems on the former SP1 either). I haven't
> tweaked my system against DEP or anything like that either (if that's
> even possible), it ran out of the box. Maybe there's an issue with
> your configuration?
>
> Best,
> Bart
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[Ad Huikeshoven]

Thanks for trying to install and run my builds, and thanks for
reporting specific problems to this list. Personally I haven't seen
this type of error ever. The build process uses Visual Studio 9.0
2008. Is it MS suggestion to downgrade to VS8 for compatibility with
DEP? Is DEP a specific feature of Toshiba laptops? Is the Toshiba
notebook very old? I build and run on a Packard Bell laptop with Vista
Home Premium, and do regularly install as well on a quadcore desktop
PC.
I find it hard to figure out a way to solve your problem. Based on
what has been written - you're experiencing problems with many
versions since 0.7 on your Toshiba notebook with Vista, something
specific with your Toshiba notebook might cause the closing of the
app. So, a bit of a stupid question: have you tried to install the
software on another computer or laptop and experienced the same
problem?

Ad Huikeshoven
PS Weekly I built an installer running a build script I published on
this list, which actually formalizes the description of the
documentation of the build process by Yuval Levy and Guido Kohlmeyer.
My programming ability is limited to writing a simpleton.

On Jul 1, 10:03 pm, hbl <hblar...@...> wrote:

> Bart, it is hard to say what the problem is.  I've just installed SP2
> with no change.  On my laptop, DEP is closing Hugin with event name
> BEX (buffer overflow exception).  That is what is triggering DEP to
> close the program.
>
> Does your laptop have DEP installed?  If so, are you able to create an
> exception for Hugin?  MS says installers should be created using
> Visual Studio 8 to be compatible with DEP.  I wonder if that is being
> done here.
>
> On Jul 1, 12:45 pm, Bart van Andel <bavanan...@...> wrote:
>
> > Maybe it's common to you, but I never had this issue personally, and I
> > still don't. My Sony laptop (Core2 Duo with Centrino2 technology) is
> > running Vista SP2 (no problems on the former SP1 either). I haven't
> > tweaked my system against DEP or anything like that either (if that's
> > even possible), it ran out of the box. Maybe there's an issue with
> > your configuration?
>
> > Best,
> > Bart

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[Yuval Levy-6]

hbl wrote:
> MS says installers should be created using
> Visual Studio 8 to be compatible with DEP.

MS says a lot of things to sell its stuff. You're the first user that
reported this issue and thousands have downloaded and used Hugin 0.8
snapshots on Windows XP and Vista without reporting any of this. If it
was a systemic problem, we'd read more such reports.

The current assumption is that the bug is well hidden and for whatever
reason it triggers only on your specific setup. The bug may trigger
another kind of error on other setups; or may not trigger at all.

BAD NEWS: This kind of spurious, non-reproducible bugs are the most
nasty ones to identify and fix.

The solution is not to change things for others. We need to analyze
thoroughly Hugin's behavior on your machine under controlled
circumstances so that we can infer from the difference in circumstances
where the problem is.

People here are willing to help, but it all depends on you because
nobody else has access to a machine that triggers the error.

First we need to establish a version of Hugin that works on your box. I
hope this will be one of the 0.7.0.XXXX installer.

Then you will get from SVN that XXXX version and build it against the
SDK that you have currently on your machine.

Best case scenario both work well, then we know that the bug is
somewhere between XXXX and the lastest TRUNK. The next step would be to
find the YYYY SVN version where YYYY+1 triggers the bug and YYYY does
not. Then the developers can look at the code between those two releases
and hopefully identify the bug and fix it.

If we are lucky, there is a difference in behavior between 0.7.0.XXXX
installed and SVN XXXX built with your SDK. Then we know that the
problem is in the SDK and we can start looking at the different SDK
components to identify which one it is. This is the most likely scenario.

Worse case scenario, also 0.7.0.XXXX does not work, and we have to dig
even further down.

At this point it is counter productive to introduce *any* change that
affects the general public. It is only on your setup. You'll need to be
patient and follow the advice that is given to you here on the list, and
not what MS says.

Yuv

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[Bruno Postle]

On Wed 01-Jul-2009 at 18:08 -0400, Yuval Levy wrote:
>
>The current assumption is that the bug is well hidden and for whatever
>reason it triggers only on your specific setup. The bug may trigger
>another kind of error on other setups; or may not trigger at all.

It is possible this is the same problem encountered by RueiKe.

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[Yuval Levy-6]

Bruno Postle wrote:
> It is possible this is the same problem encountered by RueiKe.

I did not want to speculate. I think it is likely the same bug causing
the two problems, which would be an extra bonus as both Rick and Howard
can take a systematic approach to identify the bug from two different
spurious behaviors.

The big question is whether to release 0.8 before this bug is fixed, or
keep postponing 0.8. For users that are not affected by this bug, the
current snapshot is good enough for a release...

Yuv



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[Bruno Postle]

On Wed 01-Jul-2009 at 18:32 -0400, Yuval Levy wrote:
>
>The big question is whether to release 0.8 before this bug is fixed, or
>keep postponing 0.8. For users that are not affected by this bug, the
>current snapshot is good enough for a release...

Yes, I'd like to go with the current release candidate, but I'm not
sure if these problems are in hugin, the windows build, windows
itself or some 3rd party windows software.

Does anyone else see these crashes on OS X or Linux?  (note that
enblend or enfuse crashing during stitching isn't a hugin bug)

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[RueiKe]

For Windows Vista, there is an option under "System Properties" ->
"Performance Options" to change the settings of DEP.  On my system, it
was set to be enable for essential Windows programs only.  When I
change it to be active for all programs, I sitll don't see it raising
any DEP error for hugin.  I am running 64bit, SP1, so maybe SP2 is
more sensitive.

Seems like I am the only one reporting major issues in not being able
to use anything newer than SVN3884 for large projects.  Are there
others using the latest builds on windows for large projects with no
problems?

Regards,
Rick

On Jul 2, 6:40 am, Bruno Postle <br...@...> wrote:

> On Wed 01-Jul-2009 at 18:32 -0400, Yuval Levy wrote:
>
>
>
> >The big question is whether to release 0.8 before this bug is fixed, or
> >keep postponing 0.8. For users that are not affected by this bug, the
> >current snapshot is good enough for a release...
>
> Yes, I'd like to go with the current release candidate, but I'm not
> sure if these problems are in hugin, the windows build, windows
> itself or some 3rd party windows software.
>
> Does anyone else see these crashes on OS X or Linux?  (note that
> enblend or enfuse crashing during stitching isn't a hugin bug)
>
> --
> Bruno

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[hbl]

Ad, my bad.  It is Visual Studio 9 which includes Visual C++ 2008.

I agree it is difficult to isolate these issues.  I have another
computer running XP that has no problems with hugin or gimp (and, I do
not intend to jostle anything less bad luck descend on that
computer :)  It is DEP that is detecting a buffer overflow and is
closing Hugin.  I am not sure if my XP machine has DEP installed.

At Yuval's suggestion, I have agreed to test build earlier versions to
try to isolate the problem area.

The Toshiba notebook I use was purchased in 2008 so it came with
Windows Vista and update has been activated.

DEP is a anti-malware defense that comes with Vista.  Apparently it
has been available for some time on MS servers.

On Jul 1, 5:04 pm, Dedalus <ad.huikesho...@...> wrote:

> Thanks for trying to install and run my builds, and thanks for
> reporting specific problems to this list. Personally I haven't seen
> this type of error ever. The build process uses Visual Studio 9.0
> 2008. Is it MS suggestion to downgrade to VS8 for compatibility with
> DEP? Is DEP a specific feature of Toshiba laptops? Is the Toshiba
> notebook very old? I build and run on a Packard Bell laptop with Vista
> Home Premium, and do regularly install as well on a quadcore desktop
> PC.
> I find it hard to figure out a way to solve your problem. Based on
> what has been written - you're experiencing problems with many
> versions since 0.7 on your Toshiba notebook with Vista, something
> specific with your Toshiba notebook might cause the closing of the
> app. So, a bit of a stupid question: have you tried to install the
> software on another computer or laptop and experienced the same
> problem?
>
> Ad Huikeshoven
> PS Weekly I built an installer running a build script I published on
> this list, which actually formalizes the description of the
> documentation of the build process by Yuval Levy and Guido Kohlmeyer.
> My programming ability is limited to writing a simpleton.
>
> On Jul 1, 10:03 pm, hbl <hblar...@...> wrote:
>
> > Bart, it is hard to say what the problem is.  I've just installed SP2
> > with no change.  On my laptop, DEP is closing Hugin with event name
> > BEX (buffer overflow exception).  That is what is triggering DEP to
> > close the program.
>
> > Does your laptop have DEP installed?  If so, are you able to create an
> > exception for Hugin?  MS says installers should be created using
> > Visual Studio 8 to be compatible with DEP.  I wonder if that is being
> > done here.
>
> > On Jul 1, 12:45 pm, Bart van Andel <bavanan...@...> wrote:
>
> > > Maybe it's common to you, but I never had this issue personally, and I
> > > still don't. My Sony laptop (Core2 Duo with Centrino2 technology) is
> > > running Vista SP2 (no problems on the former SP1 either). I haven't
> > > tweaked my system against DEP or anything like that either (if that's
> > > even possible), it ran out of the box. Maybe there's an issue with
> > > your configuration?
>
> > > Best,
> > > Bart

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[hbl]

Yuval, what is the avenue of attack?  What would you like me to do to
isolate the problem?

On Jul 1, 5:32 pm, Yuval Levy <goo...@...> wrote:

> Bruno Postle wrote:
> > It is possible this is the same problem encountered by RueiKe.
>
> I did not want to speculate. I think it is likely the same bug causing
> the two problems, which would be an extra bonus as both Rick and Howard
> can take a systematic approach to identify the bug from two different
> spurious behaviors.
>
> The big question is whether to release 0.8 before this bug is fixed, or
> keep postponing 0.8. For users that are not affected by this bug, the
> current snapshot is good enough for a release...
>
> Yuv

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[hbl]

Rick, when I try that option, the OS refuses stating that Hugin must
run under DEP.

On Jul 1, 6:15 pm, RueiKe <ruei...@...> wrote:

> For Windows Vista, there is an option under "System Properties" ->
> "Performance Options" to change the settings of DEP.  On my system, it
> was set to be enable for essential Windows programs only.  When I
> change it to be active for all programs, I sitll don't see it raising
> any DEP error for hugin.  I am running 64bit, SP1, so maybe SP2 is
> more sensitive.
>
> Seems like I am the only one reporting major issues in not being able
> to use anything newer than SVN3884 for large projects.  Are there
> others using the latest builds on windows for large projects with no
> problems?
>
> Regards,
> Rick
>
> On Jul 2, 6:40 am, Bruno Postle <br...@...> wrote:
>
> > On Wed 01-Jul-2009 at 18:32 -0400, Yuval Levy wrote:
>
> > >The big question is whether to release 0.8 before this bug is fixed, or
> > >keep postponing 0.8. For users that are not affected by this bug, the
> > >current snapshot is good enough for a release...
>
> > Yes, I'd like to go with the current release candidate, but I'm not
> > sure if these problems are in hugin, the windows build, windows
> > itself or some 3rd party windows software.
>
> > Does anyone else see these crashes on OS X or Linux?  (note that
> > enblend or enfuse crashing during stitching isn't a hugin bug)
>
> > --
> > Bruno

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[Yuval Levy-6]

hbl wrote:
> Yuval, what is the avenue of attack?  What would you like me to do to
> isolate the problem?

thanks for your help, Howard. The first thing we need is to find the
basement, i.e. how far back we need to go for the bug NOT to trigger.

try
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/hugin/files/hugin/hugin-0.7.0_win32-setup.exe>
  cross fingers and report back.

good luck
Yuv

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[Ryan Sleevi]

Howard,

        Would you mind checking http://support.microsoft.com/kb/912923 and
reporting back a bit more about the values from WMIC?

        I'm hoping to identify:
                1) Are you using hardware-enforced DEP?
                2) What the current value is for the Windows enforcement of
it
                3) Any possible hardware switches (Note the last line of
Method 1)
       
        In addition to the information wmic will provide, can you also tell
me:
                1) Which mobel Toshiba laptop (Trying to understand
processor architecture)
                2) What version of Windows you're running (Full version
string of major/minor/build + 32 bit or 64-bit)

        If I followed the thread correctly, I understand you can and have
compiled your own versions. If you are running on a 64-bit platform with a
64-bit OS, are you compiling 64-bit Windows binaries or the default 32-bit
ones? I'm suspecting based on your description that you're on 32-bit and
running 32-bit, I just wanted to make sure, since DEP can get weird when
there are mismatches.
       
        To be fair, DEP has caused me more headache than it's worth, simply
because the sheer number of buggy programs out there. It's a trade-off
between hard crashes (because of the NX bit being triggered) or soft crahses
+ potential security holes (to be fair, not every buffer under/overrun
represents an exploitable security hole, and surprisingly some systems can
'gracefully' recover, even if they're still buggy in the first place).

        While you're doing that, I'll flip on hardware DEP on my Vista x64
machine and see if I can reproduce with the native x64 binaries I've been
compiling for my own environment. I know it's probably not a 1:1 mapping of
your problem, but hopefully if it is some bug in Hugin, it'll surface there
as well.

Thanks,
        Ryan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hugin-ptx@... [mailto:hugin-ptx@...] On
> Behalf Of hbl
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:43 PM
> To: hugin and other free panoramic software
> Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: hugin installer for Windows Vista SVN 3975
>
>
> Rick, when I try that option, the OS refuses stating that Hugin must
> run under DEP.
>
> On Jul 1, 6:15 pm, RueiKe <ruei...@...> wrote:
> > For Windows Vista, there is an option under "System Properties" ->
> > "Performance Options" to change the settings of DEP.  On my system,
> it
> > was set to be enable for essential Windows programs only.  When I
> > change it to be active for all programs, I sitll don't see it raising
> > any DEP error for hugin.  I am running 64bit, SP1, so maybe SP2 is
> > more sensitive.
> >
> > Seems like I am the only one reporting major issues in not being able
> > to use anything newer than SVN3884 for large projects.  Are there
> > others using the latest builds on windows for large projects with no
> > problems?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rick
> >
> > On Jul 2, 6:40 am, Bruno Postle <br...@...> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed 01-Jul-2009 at 18:32 -0400, Yuval Levy wrote:
> >
> > > >The big question is whether to release 0.8 before this bug is
> fixed, or
> > > >keep postponing 0.8. For users that are not affected by this bug,
> the
> > > >current snapshot is good enough for a release...
> >
> > > Yes, I'd like to go with the current release candidate, but I'm not
> > > sure if these problems are in hugin, the windows build, windows
> > > itself or some 3rd party windows software.
> >
> > > Does anyone else see these crashes on OS X or Linux?  (note that
> > > enblend or enfuse crashing during stitching isn't a hugin bug)
> >
> > > --
> > > Bruno
>

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[hbl]

Thanks for checking in, Ryan.  My notebook has the 32-bit version of
Vista Home Premium.  I suspect hardware detection is on as I have
turned off sw detection using bcdedit.

On hardware enforcement, I get True, 3.

On Jul 1, 7:38 pm, <ryan+hu...@...> wrote:

> Howard,
>
>         Would you mind checkinghttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/912923and
> reporting back a bit more about the values from WMIC?
>
>         I'm hoping to identify:
>                 1) Are you using hardware-enforced DEP?
>                 2) What the current value is for the Windows enforcement of
> it
>                 3) Any possible hardware switches (Note the last line of
> Method 1)
>
>         In addition to the information wmic will provide, can you also tell
> me:
>                 1) Which mobel Toshiba laptop (Trying to understand
> processor architecture)
>                 2) What version of Windows you're running (Full version
> string of major/minor/build + 32 bit or 64-bit)
>
>         If I followed the thread correctly, I understand you can and have
> compiled your own versions. If you are running on a 64-bit platform with a
> 64-bit OS, are you compiling 64-bit Windows binaries or the default 32-bit
> ones? I'm suspecting based on your description that you're on 32-bit and
> running 32-bit, I just wanted to make sure, since DEP can get weird when
> there are mismatches.
>
>         To be fair, DEP has caused me more headache than it's worth, simply
> because the sheer number of buggy programs out there. It's a trade-off
> between hard crashes (because of the NX bit being triggered) or soft crahses
> + potential security holes (to be fair, not every buffer under/overrun
> represents an exploitable security hole, and surprisingly some systems can
> 'gracefully' recover, even if they're still buggy in the first place).
>
>         While you're doing that, I'll flip on hardware DEP on my Vista x64
> machine and see if I can reproduce with the native x64 binaries I've been
> compiling for my own environment. I know it's probably not a 1:1 mapping of
> your problem, but hopefully if it is some bug in Hugin, it'll surface there
> as well.
>
> Thanks,
>         Ryan
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hugin-ptx@... [mailto:hugin-ptx@...] On
> > Behalf Of hbl
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:43 PM
> > To: hugin and other free panoramic software
> > Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: hugin installer for Windows Vista SVN 3975
>
> > Rick, when I try that option, the OS refuses stating that Hugin must
> > run under DEP.
>
> > On Jul 1, 6:15 pm, RueiKe <ruei...@...> wrote:
> > > For Windows Vista, there is an option under "System Properties" ->
> > > "Performance Options" to change the settings of DEP.  On my system,
> > it
> > > was set to be enable for essential Windows programs only.  When I
> > > change it to be active for all programs, I sitll don't see it raising
> > > any DEP error for hugin.  I am running 64bit, SP1, so maybe SP2 is
> > > more sensitive.
>
> > > Seems like I am the only one reporting major issues in not being able
> > > to use anything newer than SVN3884 for large projects.  Are there
> > > others using the latest builds on windows for large projects with no
> > > problems?
>
> > > Regards,
> > > Rick
>
> > > On Jul 2, 6:40 am, Bruno Postle <br...@...> wrote:
>
> > > > On Wed 01-Jul-2009 at 18:32 -0400, Yuval Levy wrote:
>
> > > > >The big question is whether to release 0.8 before this bug is
> > fixed, or
> > > > >keep postponing 0.8. For users that are not affected by this bug,
> > the
> > > > >current snapshot is good enough for a release...
>
> > > > Yes, I'd like to go with the current release candidate, but I'm not
> > > > sure if these problems are in hugin, the windows build, windows
> > > > itself or some 3rd party windows software.
>
> > > > Does anyone else see these crashes on OS X or Linux?  (note that
> > > > enblend or enfuse crashing during stitching isn't a hugin bug)
>
> > > > --
> > > > Bruno

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[Ryan Sleevi]

Howard,

        I've enabled DEP on my system, and the programs I know to have
trouble do properly report BEX errors, so I know DEP is getting raised
appropriately. I've also confirmed with wmic that all the settings reflect
its enabled, with a value of True, 3, as you did.

        I went ahead and built a binary based on the latest SVN (for native
x64), through the full build process, including the installer. I opted for
x64 since, as noted in the Microsoft KB article and the prior e-mail, always
good to match platform and application.

        I've tried several scenarios, loading old projects, TIFFs and JPGs,
etc, and had no problem. Certainly, there are a lot of variables at play
here, so it may take some time to isolate. In the mean time, I'd suggest
following Yuval's directions of trying the last 'certified' version, in
attempt to find the basement on when this issue might have first been
introduced. This should be fairly easy and non-invasive.

        What I'd like to try as a next step, as a means of hopefully getting
more information, is getting a crashdump from you when a DEP error has been
raised.

        It's been a while since I've had to do it by hand (tend to use
API-based hooks to catch when an application crashes), so I hope you'll bear
with me if I direct you down the wrong path once or twice. Since you
mentioned Vista, the following KB article may help:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931673

        Since I don't have the symbols Ad used for his installer, I'll be
mailing you off-list a 32-bit based version on the latest SVN that I'll
compile locally. This will ensure I have the necessary debug symbol files to
wind through the stack. If this is a concern for you, we can work off-list
on directing the necessary compilation steps, just be aware that it's not
uncommon for symbols to reach hundreds of megs for large projects.

        Once you've gotten the new setup binary and everything is installed,
when you get an application crash (eg: due to DEP), see if you can follow
the directions of Method 1 as a means to intercept the crash. Once you have
that crash (located in the path specified), can you attach it and e-mail it
to me off-list? I'm not sure the default settings of Vista for creating
crashes, but a simple Crashdump of Notepad is around 50 megs. If it's too
large to e-mail, we can work off-list on a transfer mechanism. By all means,
compress compress compress! If you're unable to generate a crashdump once
it's raised a DEP error, let me know, and I'll see further if I can
investigate.

        For those following on-list, especially Bruno, if a final 'formal'
Win32 build is released, it might help to keep the symbol files around.
Certainly users can build their own binaries, preserve the symbol files, and
debug themselves, but given how most Windows users aren't necessarily handy
with compiling and debugging their software, it may be helpful for some of
the weird bugs that remain post-release (as I recall, there are a few
mystery ones out there affecting Windows users)

Ryan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hugin-ptx@... [mailto:hugin-ptx@...] On
> Behalf Of hbl
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:02 PM
> To: hugin and other free panoramic software
> Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: hugin installer for Windows Vista SVN 3975
>
>
> Thanks for checking in, Ryan.  My notebook has the 32-bit version of
> Vista Home Premium.  I suspect hardware detection is on as I have
> turned off sw detection using bcdedit.
>
> On hardware enforcement, I get True, 3.
>
> On Jul 1, 7:38 pm, <ryan+hu...@...> wrote:
> > Howard,
> >
> >         Would you mind
> checkinghttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/912923and
> > reporting back a bit more about the values from WMIC?
> >
> >         I'm hoping to identify:
> >                 1) Are you using hardware-enforced DEP?
> >                 2) What the current value is for the Windows
> enforcement of
> > it
> >                 3) Any possible hardware switches (Note the last line
> of
> > Method 1)
> >
> >         In addition to the information wmic will provide, can you
> also tell
> > me:
> >                 1) Which mobel Toshiba laptop (Trying to understand
> > processor architecture)
> >                 2) What version of Windows you're running (Full
> version
> > string of major/minor/build + 32 bit or 64-bit)
> >
> >         If I followed the thread correctly, I understand you can and
> have
> > compiled your own versions. If you are running on a 64-bit platform
> with a
> > 64-bit OS, are you compiling 64-bit Windows binaries or the default
> 32-bit
> > ones? I'm suspecting based on your description that you're on 32-bit
> and
> > running 32-bit, I just wanted to make sure, since DEP can get weird
> when
> > there are mismatches.
> >
> >         To be fair, DEP has caused me more headache than it's worth,
> simply
> > because the sheer number of buggy programs out there. It's a trade-
> off
> > between hard crashes (because of the NX bit being triggered) or soft
> crahses
> > + potential security holes (to be fair, not every buffer
> under/overrun
> > represents an exploitable security hole, and surprisingly some
> systems can
> > 'gracefully' recover, even if they're still buggy in the first
> place).
> >
> >         While you're doing that, I'll flip on hardware DEP on my
> Vista x64
> > machine and see if I can reproduce with the native x64 binaries I've
> been
> > compiling for my own environment. I know it's probably not a 1:1
> mapping of
> > your problem, but hopefully if it is some bug in Hugin, it'll surface
> there
> > as well.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >         Ryan
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: hugin-ptx@... [mailto:hugin-
> ptx@...] On
> > > Behalf Of hbl
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:43 PM
> > > To: hugin and other free panoramic software
> > > Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: hugin installer for Windows Vista SVN 3975
> >
> > > Rick, when I try that option, the OS refuses stating that Hugin
> must
> > > run under DEP.
> >
> > > On Jul 1, 6:15 pm, RueiKe <ruei...@...> wrote:
> > > > For Windows Vista, there is an option under "System Properties" -
> >
> > > > "Performance Options" to change the settings of DEP.  On my
> system,
> > > it
> > > > was set to be enable for essential Windows programs only.  When I
> > > > change it to be active for all programs, I sitll don't see it
> raising
> > > > any DEP error for hugin.  I am running 64bit, SP1, so maybe SP2
> is
> > > > more sensitive.
> >
> > > > Seems like I am the only one reporting major issues in not being
> able
> > > > to use anything newer than SVN3884 for large projects.  Are there
> > > > others using the latest builds on windows for large projects with
> no
> > > > problems?
> >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Rick
> >
> > > > On Jul 2, 6:40 am, Bruno Postle <br...@...> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Wed 01-Jul-2009 at 18:32 -0400, Yuval Levy wrote:
> >
> > > > > >The big question is whether to release 0.8 before this bug is
> > > fixed, or
> > > > > >keep postponing 0.8. For users that are not affected by this
> bug,
> > > the
> > > > > >current snapshot is good enough for a release...
> >
> > > > > Yes, I'd like to go with the current release candidate, but I'm
> not
> > > > > sure if these problems are in hugin, the windows build, windows
> > > > > itself or some 3rd party windows software.
> >
> > > > > Does anyone else see these crashes on OS X or Linux?  (note
> that
> > > > > enblend or enfuse crashing during stitching isn't a hugin bug)
> >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Bruno
>

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[dex Otaku]

Just a note -

dl'd and am running on XP SP3 with no issues thus far.  Rendering
seems a lot faster than 0.7.0.

D
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[hbl]

All, I will try to get through the suggested testing scenarios by the
weekend.  Will post results then.

--
Howard

On Jul 1, 8:45 pm, "Ryan Sleevi" <ryan+hu...@...> wrote:

> Howard,
>
>         I've enabled DEP on my system, and the programs I know to have
> trouble do properly report BEX errors, so I know DEP is getting raised
> appropriately. I've also confirmed with wmic that all the settings reflect
> its enabled, with a value of True, 3, as you did.
>
>         I went ahead and built a binary based on the latest SVN (for native
> x64), through the full build process, including the installer. I opted for
> x64 since, as noted in the Microsoft KB article and the prior e-mail, always
> good to match platform and application.
>
>         I've tried several scenarios, loading old projects, TIFFs and JPGs,
> etc, and had no problem. Certainly, there are a lot of variables at play
> here, so it may take some time to isolate. In the mean time, I'd suggest
> following Yuval's directions of trying the last 'certified' version, in
> attempt to find the basement on when this issue might have first been
> introduced. This should be fairly easy and non-invasive.
>
>         What I'd like to try as a next step, as a means of hopefully getting
> more information, is getting a crashdump from you when a DEP error has been
> raised.
>
>         It's been a while since I've had to do it by hand (tend to use
> API-based hooks to catch when an application crashes), so I hope you'll bear
> with me if I direct you down the wrong path once or twice. Since you
> mentioned Vista, the following KB article may help:http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931673
>
>         Since I don't have the symbols Ad used for his installer, I'll be
> mailing you off-list a 32-bit based version on the latest SVN that I'll
> compile locally. This will ensure I have the necessary debug symbol files to
> wind through the stack. If this is a concern for you, we can work off-list
> on directing the necessary compilation steps, just be aware that it's not
> uncommon for symbols to reach hundreds of megs for large projects.
>
>         Once you've gotten the new setup binary and everything is installed,
> when you get an application crash (eg: due to DEP), see if you can follow
> the directions of Method 1 as a means to intercept the crash. Once you have
> that crash (located in the path specified), can you attach it and e-mail it
> to me off-list? I'm not sure the default settings of Vista for creating
> crashes, but a simple Crashdump of Notepad is around 50 megs. If it's too
> large to e-mail, we can work off-list on a transfer mechanism. By all means,
> compress compress compress! If you're unable to generate a crashdump once
> it's raised a DEP error, let me know, and I'll see further if I can
> investigate.
>
>         For those following on-list, especially Bruno, if a final 'formal'
> Win32 build is released, it might help to keep the symbol files around.
> Certainly users can build their own binaries, preserve the symbol files, and
> debug themselves, but given how most Windows users aren't necessarily handy
> with compiling and debugging their software, it may be helpful for some of
> the weird bugs that remain post-release (as I recall, there are a few
> mystery ones out there affecting Windows users)
>
> Ryan
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hugin-ptx@... [mailto:hugin-ptx@...] On
> > Behalf Of hbl
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:02 PM
> > To: hugin and other free panoramic software
> > Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: hugin installer for Windows Vista SVN 3975
>
> > Thanks for checking in, Ryan.  My notebook has the 32-bit version of
> > Vista Home Premium.  I suspect hardware detection is on as I have
> > turned off sw detection using bcdedit.
>
> > On hardware enforcement, I get True, 3.
>
> > On Jul 1, 7:38 pm, <ryan+hu...@...> wrote:
> > > Howard,
>
> > >         Would you mind
> > checkinghttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/912923and
> > > reporting back a bit more about the values from WMIC?
>
> > >         I'm hoping to identify:
> > >                 1) Are you using hardware-enforced DEP?
> > >                 2) What the current value is for the Windows
> > enforcement of
> > > it
> > >                 3) Any possible hardware switches (Note the last line
> > of
> > > Method 1)
>
> > >         In addition to the information wmic will provide, can you
> > also tell
> > > me:
> > >                 1) Which mobel Toshiba laptop (Trying to understand
> > > processor architecture)
> > >                 2) What version of Windows you're running (Full
> > version
> > > string of major/minor/build + 32 bit or 64-bit)
>
> > >         If I followed the thread correctly, I understand you can and
> > have
> > > compiled your own versions. If you are running on a 64-bit platform
> > with a
> > > 64-bit OS, are you compiling 64-bit Windows binaries or the default
> > 32-bit
> > > ones? I'm suspecting based on your description that you're on 32-bit
> > and
> > > running 32-bit, I just wanted to make sure, since DEP can get weird
> > when
> > > there are mismatches.
>
> > >         To be fair, DEP has caused me more headache than it's worth,
> > simply
> > > because the sheer number of buggy programs out there. It's a trade-
> > off
> > > between hard crashes (because of the NX bit being triggered) or soft
> > crahses
> > > + potential security holes (to be fair, not every buffer
> > under/overrun
> > > represents an exploitable security hole, and surprisingly some
> > systems can
> > > 'gracefully' recover, even if they're still buggy in the first
> > place).
>
> > >         While you're doing that, I'll flip on hardware DEP on my
> > Vista x64
> > > machine and see if I can reproduce with the native x64 binaries I've
> > been
> > > compiling for my own environment. I know it's probably not a 1:1
> > mapping of
> > > your problem, but hopefully if it is some bug in Hugin, it'll surface
> > there
> > > as well.
>
> > > Thanks,
> > >         Ryan
>
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: hugin-ptx@... [mailto:hugin-
> > ptx@...] On
> > > > Behalf Of hbl
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:43 PM
> > > > To: hugin and other free panoramic software
> > > > Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: hugin installer for Windows Vista SVN 3975
>
> > > > Rick, when I try that option, the OS refuses stating that Hugin
> > must
> > > > run under DEP.
>
> > > > On Jul 1, 6:15 pm, RueiKe <ruei...@...> wrote:
> > > > > For Windows Vista, there is an option under "System Properties" -
>
> > > > > "Performance Options" to change the settings of DEP.  On my
> > system,
> > > > it
> > > > > was set to be enable for essential Windows programs only.  When I
> > > > > change it to be active for all programs, I sitll don't see it
> > raising
> > > > > any DEP error for hugin.  I am running 64bit, SP1, so maybe SP2
> > is
> > > > > more sensitive.
>
> > > > > Seems like I am the only one reporting major issues in not being
> > able
> > > > > to use anything newer than SVN3884 for large projects.  Are there
> > > > > others using the latest builds on windows for large projects with
> > no
> > > > > problems?
>
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Rick
>
> > > > > On Jul 2, 6:40 am, Bruno Postle <br...@...> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Wed 01-Jul-2009 at 18:32 -0400, Yuval Levy wrote:
>
> > > > > > >The big question is whether to release 0.8 before this bug is
> > > > fixed, or
> > > > > > >keep postponing 0.8. For users that are not affected by this
> > bug,
> > > > the
> > > > > > >current snapshot is good enough for a release...
>
> > > > > > Yes, I'd like to go with the current release candidate, but I'm
> > not
> > > > > > sure if these problems are in hugin, the windows build, windows
> > > > > > itself or some 3rd party windows software.
>
> > > > > > Does anyone else see these crashes on OS X or Linux?  (note
> > that
> > > > > > enblend or enfuse crashing during stitching isn't a hugin bug)
>
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Bruno

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[Yuval Levy-6]

RueiKe wrote:
> Seems like I am the only one reporting major issues in not being able
> to use anything newer than SVN3884 for large projects.  Are there
> others using the latest builds on windows for large projects with no
> problems?

OK, I booted my workstation (X2 6000+, 8GB RAM) in Windows (XP SP2). I
completely removed any trace of Hugin from it, fetched Ad's latest
installer (SVN3975) and run my 294 pics project through it.

1. Load Pictures works well

2. Align triggers autopano-sift-c (I had to manually set the options to
"--maxdim 800 --maxmatches %p %o %s" like I have them on my Pentium M
1.6GHz, 2GB RAM Ubuntu notebook).

autopano-sift-c runs, the first couple of images are processed and I go
away. When I come back there is a wxExecute error window saying that it
could not run the autopano-sift-c command.

next I'll try the same with an earlier, 0.7 version.

Yuv

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