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iDisk versus DropBox?
by Ashley Aitken
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Hi All, I'm wondering how people who have seriously used iDisk and DropBox compare them (for file sharing / remote storage, obviously)? We were impressed with DropBox but then it seemed to have trouble synching Mac files that were really bundles (directories/folders). We moved to iDisk but it seems to have trouble synching things when we move lots of files and folders around (perhaps we shouldn't use automatic syncing [1]). Both, have nice iPhone apps. Cheers, Ashley. [1] I've always thought moving things around whilst syncing was probably not a good idea but the auto syncing doesn't seem to wait until there is no activity etc. Manual synching seems like a drag ... -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) _______________________________________________ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@... http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk |
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Re: iDisk versus DropBox?
by Jared Earle
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On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Ashley Aitken <mrhatken@...> wrote: If it weren't for the Mac bundle issue, Drop Box would be a clear winner by a significant margin.
It comes down to whether or not the bundles are needed. If they are, you don't have much of a choice.
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Re: iDisk versus DropBox?
by Ashley Aitken
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Thanks for your post Jared. On 03/11/2009, at 5:54 PM, Jared Earle wrote: > I'm wondering how people who have seriously used iDisk and DropBox > compare them (for file sharing / remote storage, obviously)? > > If it weren't for the Mac bundle issue, Drop Box would be a clear > winner by a significant margin. This was my view as well. > It comes down to whether or not the bundles are needed. If they are, > you don't have much of a choice. Yes, unfortunately one of our key applications uses bundles which causes problems. I seemed to think there was some "fix" on the DropBox side but I couldn't find anything clearly documented. Oh well, I guess we get some more value out of MobileMe. Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia Skype/iChat: MrHatken (GMT + 8hrs!) _______________________________________________ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@... http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk |
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Re: iDisk versus DropBox?
by Paul Sargent
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On 3 Nov 2009, at 09:54, Jared Earle wrote: > If it weren't for the Mac bundle issue... What's the issue? I don't use either, but thought I might give dropbox a go. _______________________________________________ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@... http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk |
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Re: iDisk versus DropBox?
by Jared Earle
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On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Paul Sargent <psarge@...> wrote:
Apparently, DropBox is supposed to support file bundles, but some people are reporting problems. Personally, I've not had a problem, but people sharing Pages files don't seem to understand not to use it as a live file.
If you want to use bundles and DropBox, it's best to copy the bundle out of the dropbox, edit the files and put it back.
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Re: iDisk versus DropBox?
by Ashley Aitken
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On 03/11/2009, at 8:26 PM, Jared Earle wrote: > http://forums.getdropbox.com/topic.php?id=295&replies=1#post-1216. Doesn't look like the problem is fixed at all :-( > Apparently, DropBox is supposed to support file bundles, but some > people are reporting problems. Personally, I've not had a problem, > but people sharing Pages files don't seem to understand not to use > it as a live file. > > If you want to use bundles and DropBox, it's best to copy the bundle > out of the dropbox, edit the files and put it back. That kind-of defeats the purpose for me (more hassle than its worth), but it is a "fix." I hope Apple get around to making syncing of iDisks smarter (do whatever good stuff DropBox does). Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia Skype/iChat: MrHatken (GMT + 8hrs!) _______________________________________________ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@... http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk |
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Re: iDisk versus DropBox?
by Jared Earle
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On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Ashley Aitken <mrhatken@...> wrote: That kind of depends what your problem with DropBox and bundles is. If you're using it like a shared drive instead of like a dropbox, then yes, it doesn't act like iDisk.
If you're using it like a drop box, it's superb. I can have a Pages document in my DropBox and open it at work and at home, and make changes from either location. As long as I'm not pretending it's a cloud SAN, it works perfectly.
The moment I try to use it on two machines simultaneously, hoping two editors can work on the same file at the same time, I know I'm screwed. World of hurt. That's my fault, not Dropbox's, because I know I cannot assume DropBox knows about lockfiles and the like.
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Re: iDisk versus DropBox?
by Ashley Aitken
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On 03/11/2009, at 8:52 PM, Jared Earle wrote: > The moment I try to use it on two machines simultaneously, hoping > two editors can work on the same file at the same time, I know I'm > screwed. World of hurt. That's my fault, not Dropbox's, because I > know I cannot assume DropBox knows about lockfiles and the like. No, I think the problem is worse than that. We're not talking about simultaneous edits. If person A uses the file (bundle) in the app and then saves and closes the file. If person B opens the file (after person A has closed it) they don't see the changes to the file. DropBox doesn't seem to be able to detect changes to files within the bundle folder (seems strange to me?) and thus doesn't sync them properly. I'm not sure how that's really possible but that's what we saw (IIRC). Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia Skype/iChat: MrHatken (GMT + 8hrs!) _______________________________________________ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@... http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk |
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Re: iDisk versus DropBox?
by steve harley-2
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On 2009-11-03 05:26 , Jared Earle wrote:
> Apparently, DropBox is supposed to support file bundles, but some people are > reporting problems. Personally, I've not had a problem, but people sharing > Pages files don't seem to understand not to use it as a live file. not that this solves the general problem, but note that the iWork 09 apps save their documents as a zip file containing the bundle contents _______________________________________________ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@... http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk |
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Re: iDisk versus DropBox?
by pcoskren-2
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On Nov 3, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Paul Sargent wrote:
> On 3 Nov 2009, at 15:55, pcoskren wrote: >> I understand why Pages uses bundles, and it's very convenient for >> development, but it's too bad Apple doesn't support a serialized >> bundle format so that a Pages doc is a single file. That's >> constantly causing me problems sending the file around or dealing >> with version management. A bundle format with the same API that >> works to a single file would be quite nice. It doesn't even have >> to be that fancy, though. It's not like Pages don't already gzip >> the .xml file that contains all the text data. Why not >> just .tar.gzip the entire bundle directory on save? > > I thought the latest version of pages had moved to a zip file > format......<checks>.... yup, it has. I believe they did this > because of the problems people were having e-mailing them around. Oh happy day. That's great. I'd still like the bundle API to be able to target a single file as a file-save format, though. :-) Although maybe Core Data solves that problem, in practice, for new file formats. I should poke around at that one of these days... Thanks! -Patrick _______________________________________________ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@... http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk |
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Re: iDisk versus DropBox?
by David Herren
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I have much success with DropBox. I sync two macs, my iPhone, and a
PC. I mostly sync OmniOutliner documents, but also quite a few images, movies, several web sites including their sql dumps, etc. No too many bundles, but I have never had a file corruption issue of any kind, and the fact that it's completely automatic is wonderful. On Nov 2, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > I'm wondering how people who have seriously used iDisk and DropBox > compare them (for file sharing / remote storage, obviously)? > > We were impressed with DropBox but then it seemed to have trouble > synching Mac files that were really bundles (directories/folders). > > We moved to iDisk but it seems to have trouble synching things when > we move lots of files and folders around (perhaps we shouldn't use > automatic syncing [1]). > > Both, have nice iPhone apps. _______________________________________________ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@... http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk |
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Re: iDisk versus DropBox?
by Scott Anguish
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I’m concerned because it’s a small company, no guarantee of data privacy.
Apple BIG company, which likely a ELU that covers all that crap. On Nov 4, 2009, at 9:14 AM, David Herren wrote: > I have much success with DropBox. I sync two macs, my iPhone, and a PC. I mostly sync OmniOutliner documents, but also quite a few images, movies, several web sites including their sql dumps, etc. No too many bundles, but I have never had a file corruption issue of any kind, and the fact that it's completely automatic is wonderful. > > > On Nov 2, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Ashley Aitken wrote: > >> I'm wondering how people who have seriously used iDisk and DropBox compare them (for file sharing / remote storage, obviously)? >> >> We were impressed with DropBox but then it seemed to have trouble synching Mac files that were really bundles (directories/folders). >> >> We moved to iDisk but it seems to have trouble synching things when we move lots of files and folders around (perhaps we shouldn't use automatic syncing [1]). >> >> Both, have nice iPhone apps. > > _______________________________________________ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@... > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk _______________________________________________ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@... http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk |
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Re: iDisk versus DropBox?
by Ashley Aitken
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On 07/11/2009, at 1:49 PM, Scott Anguish wrote: > I’m concerned because it’s a small company, no guarantee of data > privacy. Yes, my business partner would not agree to using it. Everything is encrypted in transit and when it is stored, but *they* have the key. Of course, you can always store your files in an encrypted file store on DropBox but it adds another layer of complexity and (probably) inefficiency. There was some talk on their forums though, about someday allowing users to have their own key ... > Apple BIG company, which likely a ELU that covers all that crap. Not sure I agree that "big company" necessary means safer/better but I know what you mean. Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia Skype/iChat: MrHatken (GMT + 8hrs!) _______________________________________________ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@... http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk |
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